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meanieweenie wrote...

Are we playing "Confessions" now? Because this is fun! I had a 'friend' who got pissed at this guy so you know all those loose subscription postcards that fall out of magazines? Well we got a bunch from gay porn rags and sent them in his name to his mom's house and checked "bill me". LOL

Also, did you know that if you throw baloney on a car in the hot sun it will eat the paint off? And did you know that if you scratch words into the hood with a razor blade they won't see it until it starts to rust? lol


HA! I've done both of these things! LMAO! Too funny!

I remember, long time ago, the only time I ever got this drunk, I drove my friends car ( with no lisence) that was standard, I can't drive stick, all the way to a fast food place, crashed into the ordering thingy, then drove her dented, brand new car through the drive through. Do NOT ask me how we did not die, or get arrested or kill anyone. OMG horrible, I don't know.

That same night, I don't remember anything else that happened. I woke up the next morning in my pjs. My friend, she told me she got me dressed because I passed out, I thought, aww that's nice. The creepy thing lol, that I noticed after she left, I had no undies or braw on and all of my make up was washed off and my hair was clean....

I did slash a teachers tires lol. Wow I was bad. There's more....but ahhh dwelling on the past lol, makes me remember stuff I did lol...I try to not remember all that :whistle:

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VampOrchid wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

Are we playing "Confessions" now? Because this is fun! I had a 'friend' who got pissed at this guy so you know all those loose subscription postcards that fall out of magazines? Well we got a bunch from gay porn rags and sent them in his name to his mom's house and checked "bill me". LOL

Also, did you know that if you throw baloney on a car in the hot sun it will eat the paint off? And did you know that if you scratch words into the hood with a razor blade they won't see it until it starts to rust? lol


HA! I've done both of these things! LMAO! Too funny!

I remember, long time ago, the only time I ever got this drunk, I drove my friends car ( with no lisence) that was standard, I can't drive stick, all the way to a fast food place, crashed into the ordering thingy, then drove her dented, brand new car through the drive through. Do NOT ask me how we did not die, or get arrested or kill anyone. OMG horrible, I don't know.

That same night, I don't remember anything else that happened. I woke up the next morning in my pjs. My friend, she told me she got me dressed because I passed out, I thought, aww that's nice. The creepy thing lol, that I noticed after she left, I had no undies or braw on and all of my make up was washed off and my hair was clean....

I did slash a teachers tires lol. Wow I was bad. There's more....but ahhh dwelling on the past lol, makes me remember stuff I did lol...I try to not remember all that :whistle:


Sounds like you had some fun moments in your past. Well... fun in that way that you do something not entirely smart and have to wonder how you're still alive or if that was really you. ^_^

This on time, while I was RPing with Keith and our friends, we staged an infiltration of an enemy castle - complete with moat! - by trespassing in Keith's neighbor's yard and swimming through his pool. It was the middle of January. In Michigan. Brrrrrr! And this one time, at work, I just got off an 18 hour shift and discovered some ****wad had parked at such angle, close to my var's left side that I had to use the passenger side to get in, And THEN I couldn't just back my van out. I had to shimmy to the right by going forward and backward repeatedly. Even so, I had barely enough room to get out. When I was finally free, I got back out and took my keys to the side of the big silver pick-up and scratched "LEARN 2 PARK!" into the paint. I was soooo mad but that did help me feel better. :devil:

Speaking of drama, we have some troubled Vietnamese neighbors and one night the dad came running out of his house screaming for someone to call 911 and it was because his drug addled son was threatening to kill him and chasing him down. So I called and as long as we were outside, the son didn't do anything. The cops came enmasse, like 5 cars total, and straightened everything out. But now a fire engine is here with an EMT at the same house. Poor people... :blush:

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I use to have religious people show up at my door every sunday at 7 am. Being the nice person that I am, I just got out of the shower, I decided to invite them in when, oops I accidentally dropped my towel. I've never seen two old ladies run down a flight of stairs that fast in all my life LMAO!

And yesh I would so do that in a Chantry if I were a mage MUAHAHA

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Wow, I think you folks have jumped another 100 pages since I've been out of town! Mostly skimmed through everything (I think!). Still giddy that DG would tweet about Cullen... Justin Timberlake comparisons, aside.

In other fun news, posted the last chapter of my post-Knight's Bloom short story, Catch a Dragon By the Toe.

Otherwise, just wanted to say howdy. Have a Cullen. :D
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I like the way you think VamOrchid!

Hi R2! How are you? Nice Cullen by the way.

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Hey Samara! Good, although recovering from jet lag on this fine Mother's Day. Bleh. Hope everyone else's Mother's Day was lovely (for those to whom it applies).

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R2s Muse wrote...

Hey Samara! Good, although recovering from jet lag on this fine Mother's Day. Bleh. Hope everyone else's Mother's Day was lovely (for those to whom it applies).


It was just a typical weekend here. Well, my daughter did make me something. :D And I was on the phone a lot today. So much my battery died. Where'd you run off to that you have jetlag?

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Wow, finally did some work on my Fic! Yayz! Tomorrow I will be working on more scrapbook stuff...

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Yay! I've finally made some progress on my drawing. Hawke's face was giving me trouble but I'm glad I didn't force it and she's finally coming along. What's your fic? Or have you not posted it yet?

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SamaraDraven wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Hey Samara! Good, although recovering from jet lag on this fine Mother's Day. Bleh. Hope everyone else's Mother's Day was lovely (for those to whom it applies).


It was just a typical weekend here. Well, my daughter did make me something. :D And I was on the phone a lot today. So much my battery died. Where'd you run off to that you have jetlag?

Arizona, from New York, so only 3hrs time diff. But, the trip was so short my body just gave up on knowing when to be tired. :)  Family reunion, of sorts, so also tiring for other reasons. :blink:

For fun, there's a new tumblr blog, whywelovedragonage.tumblr.com. A "why"  I recently submitted was posted:
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R2s Muse wrote...

For fun, there's a new tumblr blog, whywelovedragonage.tumblr.com. A "why"  I recently submitted was posted:
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Awwwwww.  You submitted this one. I was wondering who did when I reblogged it. :D

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vieralynn wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

For fun, there's a new tumblr blog, whywelovedragonage.tumblr.com. A "why"  I recently submitted was posted:
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Awwwwww.  You submitted this one. I was wondering who did when I reblogged it. :D

Ha ha, yeah! I wanted something a bit less squee-ish than saying merely "Cullen!" That Aveline-Isabela banter one was mine, too. Their queue is surprisingly short. :)

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VampOrchid wrote...

I use to have religious people show up at my door every sunday at 7 am. Being the nice person that I am, I just got out of the shower, I decided to invite them in when, oops I accidentally dropped my towel. I've never seen two old ladies run down a flight of stairs that fast in all my life LMAO!

And yesh I would so do that in a Chantry if I were a mage MUAHAHA


Bahahaha!

A little while ago I was having a wash in the bathroom and forgot to close the blinds, usually no one is around so I didn't think anything of it until I heard "I can see your fanny" coming from this butch lesbian who walks her dog nearby, I was thinking **** if I close the curtains she'll think I'm embarrassed and I'll never hear the last of it. Instead I flashed her boobs and shouted back "clearly you're enjoying it or you wouldn't be looking, perv. Getting a good eyeful love? It's the closest you'll ever get to them!" - she shut up quick and hasn't said a word since LOL!

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R2s Muse wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Hey Samara! Good, although recovering from jet lag on this fine Mother's Day. Bleh. Hope everyone else's Mother's Day was lovely (for those to whom it applies).


It was just a typical weekend here. Well, my daughter did make me something. :D And I was on the phone a lot today. So much my battery died. Where'd you run off to that you have jetlag?

Arizona, from New York, so only 3hrs time diff. But, the trip was so short my body just gave up on knowing when to be tired. :)  Family reunion, of sorts, so also tiring for other reasons. :blink:

For fun, there's a new tumblr blog, whywelovedragonage.tumblr.com. A "why"  I recently submitted was posted:
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So we send in our reasons for liking him and you'll put them up with pictures like what the Dragon Age Confessions tumblr does?

Y'know, we can get this enough attention and with enough decent reasons why he'd be a great companion/LI then David Gaider 'n' co will take notice. We'd only have to send him the link via twitter.

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LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

For fun, there's a new tumblr blog, whywelovedragonage.tumblr.com. A "why"  I recently submitted was posted:
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So we send in our reasons for liking him and you'll put them up with pictures like what the Dragon Age Confessions tumblr does?

Y'know, we can get this enough attention and with enough decent reasons why he'd be a great companion/LI then David Gaider 'n' co will take notice. We'd only have to send him the link via twitter.

Not me, them. Not my blog, but yes, it works roughly like the confessions site. Only more positive. It's brand new, tho, so a Cullen overload would probably  be... an overload. :D

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Maybe we should make one dedicated to Cullen/Templar's plight to try and get him as a companion/LI in DA3?

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LolaLei wrote...

Maybe we should make one dedicated to Cullen/Templar's plight to try and get him as a companion/LI in DA3?


I don't think it would make a difference to be honest. The devs are gonna do what they wanna do in the case of characters I think.:crying:

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VampOrchid wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Maybe we should make one dedicated to Cullen/Templar's plight to try and get him as a companion/LI in DA3?


I don't think it would make a difference to be honest. The devs are gonna do what they wanna do in the case of characters I think.:crying:

Yeah, I agree. Incidentally, there are already a few tumblrs dedicated to the venerable Knight-Captain. Altho, sadly I haven't seen many updates of late. Like, f*ckyeahcullen, blamethetemplar, asktheknightcaptain. Of course, the downside to overwhelming fanlove is the backlash of fanhate, which for all we know could even damage the case for Cullen.

Anyway, I think I'd even prefer the devs choose their characters based on the story as opposed to fan love, since it would feel more fluid instead of how a cameo can sometimes feel like pandering fanservice. Of course, I also think a mage-templar story is a natural for including him... ahem. :whistle:

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R2s Muse wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Maybe we should make one dedicated to Cullen/Templar's plight to try and get him as a companion/LI in DA3?


I don't think it would make a difference to be honest. The devs are gonna do what they wanna do in the case of characters I think.:crying:

Yeah, I agree. Incidentally, there are already a few tumblrs dedicated to the venerable Knight-Captain. Altho, sadly I haven't seen many updates of late. Like, f*ckyeahcullen, blamethetemplar, asktheknightcaptain. Of course, the downside to overwhelming fanlove is the backlash of fanhate, which for all we know could even damage the case for Cullen.

Anyway, I think I'd even prefer the devs choose their characters based on the story as opposed to fan love, since it would feel more fluid instead of how a cameo can sometimes feel like pandering fanservice. Of course, I also think a mage-templar story is a natural for including him... ahem. :whistle:


You're right... Maybe I'm still riding high on the RetakeME3 movement. We may not have got precisely what we wanted, but it's more than we would have got if we hadn't made our issues known. It also shows that Bioware do listen to it's fans (to an extent at least.)

I guess I just wanna make sure they're aware of the extent of his popularity (be it good or ill/love or hate) because (all fangirlness aside) it would be absolutely absurd for him not to play a big part in DA3 in some capacity and I see no reason why it shouldn't be in the form of a companion/LI. After all, it's not like he'll have any big commitments to keep regarding the upkeep and order of the circles because they're all gone, the majority of the Templars have rebelled so regardless of whether he's on the Divines side or not his rank and title will be of no importance for the time being anyway. If anything all his attention will be drawn towards either fighting for/against the Mages OR trying to stop the rebellion, which is most likely where our new protagonist will come in, so why not team up right?

It certainly seems like DA2 not only served as the set up to the Mage/Templar rebellion storyline, but to Cullen's own personal story arc as well. However, on the off chance that David Gaider 'n' co haven't already decided that he'll be a companion/LI I want to push the bar in his favour as much as possible. If people are talking about him, even if it's not always in a positive light then it will still draw the dev's attention, the fact that he stirs up so many mixed reactions is actually what good character design is all about. Still, when it comes down to it Bioware will do whatever they want with DA3, but we also know that they do cater to their fans, providing it's in keeping with the story and lore of Dragon Age, which, Cullen most definitely is.

For me, this isn't a "omg he's so hawt, he MUST be a love interest" squee fest, like it would be if he had just been some random hot NPC that Hawke could shag in the Blooming Rose. I genuinely feel that Cullen would be an integral part of DA3's story, just like Alistair was in DA:O.

... The fact that he's a total babe is just a bonus. ;)

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LolaLei wrote...

A little while ago I was having a wash in the bathroom and forgot to close the blinds, usually no one is around so I didn't think anything of it until I heard "I can see your fanny" coming from this butch lesbian who walks her dog nearby, I was thinking **** if I close the curtains she'll think I'm embarrassed and I'll never hear the last of it. Instead I flashed her boobs and shouted back "clearly you're enjoying it or you wouldn't be looking, perv. Getting a good eyeful love? It's the closest you'll ever get to them!" - she shut up quick and hasn't said a word since LOL!

:o You little minx! ^_^ I think I kind of love you a little for that! :D:wub:

It certainly seems like DA2 not
only served as the set up to the Mage/Templar rebellion storyline, but
to Cullen's own personal story arc as well. However, on the off chance
that David Gaider 'n' co haven't already decided that he'll be a
companion/LI I want to push the bar in his favour as much as possible.
If people are talking about him, even if it's not always in a positive
light then it will still draw the dev's attention. When it comes down to
it Bioware will do whatever they want with DA3, but we also know that
they do cater to their fans, providing it's in keeping with the story
and lore of Dragon Age, which, Cullen most definitely is.

For me,
this isn't a "omg he's so hawt, he MUST be a love interest in
DA3" squee fest... ...I genuinely feel that
Cullen would be an integral part of DA3's story, just like Alistair was
in DA:O.

... The fact that he's a total babe is just a bonus. Image IPB


Amen! Exactly so! And I don'tthink I could have said it better. People are invested in Cullen to some extent, whether they like him or not. We like to see touchstones from previous games. Like Alistair as king/drunk/warden. Having Isabela brought back and fleshed out was neat. It makes sense (at least in my mind) for Bioware to use characters we know. Especially if it's to be part of a story that's appropriate for them and Cullen fits right into the whole mage/templar conflict. Having him be part of DA3 makes sense to me. Gives us someone familiar to tell the story and we're that much more involved in the story because we know what the conflict means to him, what it's done to him over the years.

In that vein, I would say Anders should come back, provided canon doesn't go with his execution as his fate in DA2. And I can't stand him! If he were in DA3 I would be like "Oh YOU again?!"  and I would be accordingly invested to see what crazy thing he's gonna do next. If they made another fair-colored, sassy, bi-sexual mage, I might scream.<_<

But, back to Cullen: I loved it when I discovered it was THE Cullen from Origins. I thought it was a little odd considering his known fate was that he was either KC of Kinloch Hold or a freelance nutjob with a brutal prejudice against mages. I didn't like that he was there and spouting about mages not being people, "Of course you'd say that you murdering psycho! At least you're not all about the Smiting and Stabbing anymore."

I had to brush up on my Origins to see how he could have gotten placed there and that's when I discovered I, like everyone else, had ASSUMED the crazy epilogue was about him. They sure made it sound so. But they stopped short of actually saying it. Then I thought it was possible for him to be in Kirkwall after all. Throughout this entire thing, what I thought was cool was that we saw a familiar face, liked or not. It just seemed out of place given his supposed 2 fates, but only one of those was concrete.

The drive to ease my confusion is why I bought PS3 versions of DAO and Awakening when I had previously played them on an XBox 360. When we switched, all that stuff got traded in so I couldn't just replay them. I bought them all over again to play them. :D You see where I'm going with this, Bioware? :devil:

So putting Cullen into DA3's story might draw in those who are reticent after the disappointment of DA2 but feel somewhat comforted by the familiar. Cassandra said all the circles were gone and templars were rebelling everywhere. That sounds like a good recipe for explaining how Cullen would have had to leave Kirkwall and if the story's conflict is about mages and templars to any extent, he wouldn't be out of place being a part of that. To me, it just makes sense to include him.:innocent: But I'm biased, right? So what do I know? :P

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Totally agree that there are a million content-based reasons for including him in DA3. At the simplest level, it would be useful to have a companion who can represent the institutional perspective of the Chantry/Templars if DA3 focuses on the mage-templar war. Whether that person is pro-Divine or pro-"new kill-em-all Templar Order" it could  help flesh out what the institutional issues are with protecting mages, and frankly, balance out the earful of pro-mage rhetoric we got from Anders.

IIRC, in one of those recent DG interviews, he mentioned that the reason there were so many crazy blood mages in DA2 is because (Western-based) people naturally take the side of the underdog - i.e. the mages - so they needed to balance it out. Personally, I don't think it was that effective though, in light of all the abuses we heard/saw happening at the Gallows. I think hearing a rational Templar talk about the reasons mages need to be protected ... whether that's locked in a Circle or schooled at some Thedas version of Hogwarts or something else... might succeed better in spotlighting the issues. And, the potential solutions. Hopefully DA3 will allow our PC to be part of re-imagining mage treatment in Thedas, and someone who was formerly part of the old institution could provide a lot of insight.

Of course, my worry is that a Seeker like Cassandra can fill this role as well, or better. But, hopefully completing Cullen's specific character arc will make him as attractive, or more so, as a companion (here's where I insert a citation to vieralynn's expansive description of Cullen's hero's journey!). Moreover, we already know where Cassandra stands in the war, but Cullen will likely have some hard choices to make as far as his duty is concerned. I think the PC could learn a lot as  he figures out where his heart lies.

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Also, in case you haven't seen it, cityofexiles has another outstanding Cullen cutscene in the works...  wait for it... Cullen & Amell Secret Wedding!!  She's even thinking of making it into a DA:O mod.

She's the author behind a few other wonderful Cullen vids which are also worth checking out. Wynne's Warning and Cullen & Amell romance/argument.

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It makes for better drama and investment when you have a character who is still on a journey to discover who they are. Cassandra may be fun but if she's not malleable enough to win into friendship or rivalry, she'll get boring/annoying fast - like Anders did for me. I liked having companions who made allowances in their usual thinking to try and see things my way and become friends with my warden despite it being an unlikely friendship. I think of Morrigan when I say this. She was very strong in her opinions but still managed to make room for a friendship to grow, despite such a thing being a waste of time in her view. Having a character we know and who has a journey ahead of him, makes for more... well everything!

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SamaraDraven wrote...

It makes for better drama and investment when you have a character who is still on a journey to discover who they are. Cassandra may be fun but if she's not malleable enough to win into friendship or rivalry, she'll get boring/annoying fast - like Anders did for me. I liked having companions who made allowances in their usual thinking to try and see things my way and become friends with my warden despite it being an unlikely friendship. I think of Morrigan when I say this. She was very strong in her opinions but still managed to make room for a friendship to grow, despite such a thing being a waste of time in her view. Having a character we know and who has a journey ahead of him, makes for more... well everything!

Exactly!

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OMG, never saw this one before. The Tao of Cullen.