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[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Anyone's looking forward to David Gaider's interview in a few days?

OMGosh yes, what is this? With whom?

[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Anyone's looking forward to David Gaider's interview in a few days?

OMGosh yes, what is this? With whom?

He's not gonna talk about DAI, but he will lead a discussion sex in video games. With all the bisexuality,
"Anders the predator", and muscular females, I'm curious of what he makes of all this. He seems to "lose hope"in humanity after he locked a thread about transgenders.

http://www.gamespot....-at-gdc-6403983

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 20 février 2013 - 05:36 .

[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Anyone's looking forward to David Gaider's interview in a few days?

OMGosh yes, what is this? With whom?

Yeah which one? I know he's supposed to talk at GDC but I thought that was in March?

[CuriousArtemis]

Wow, that talk looks fantastic. From the title alone I thought it would just be about, well, sex in video games. But they're delving into sexism and sexuality, inclusivity, etc. Awesome.

[Battlebloodmage]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Anyone's looking forward to David Gaider's interview in a few days?

OMGosh yes, what is this? With whom?

Yeah which one? I know he's supposed to talk at GDC but I thought that was in March?

Sorry, I mistake the date. I thought it said February. It's in March. 

[Danny Boy 7]

Batteries wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think the real problem is that a lot of them don't really "hate" Cullen (excluding those who hate Templars etc), but rather they hate his fandom.

People hate what's popular...what's more they hate people who like what's popular....even if said thing isn't popular so much as well liked among a small group of people. Honestly I know exactly what's going to happen even if he's an AMAZING character.

1. We'll be happy, he lived up to our expectations and maybe even exceeded them.
2. The haters who were just following the trend will either be like "He's just what I imagined :D" or "He's a horrible character, these people are blind!!!"
3. The real haters won't change they're opinion regardless of whether he's the most epic companion of all time before or after. I mean I've heard, "Doesn't matter what they do, he's a stoopid character....etc."
4. And the indifferents will be swayed to one side or the other.

Tis the sad truth of things.

You forgot the outcries of "pandering" and "favoritism" that will erupt across the entire BSN 

I sort of grouped that into two and three respectively.

This reminds of a bit of Anders in DAII.
What bugged me most about that after the game was released was more the complaining that he was an "awful, horribly written character" and that his writer, who ended up getting bullied and harrassed over something else entirely, should be fired. (which is just about the kindest thing I saw said)
No, he wasn't a bad character. You just don't like him, what he did at the end, and your inability to do anything about it.
That is a fair complaint. The other is not.
I dislike what Loghain does in DAO, but he is still an awesome character.

Sometimes why I try to stay off these boards unless big news comes out. The negativity festers like nobody's business here.

Tis true, this place is a little haven for me. I think I had a account here before Dragon Age II came out, but never used it. Now I'm on here almost everyday. You guys are addicting

At any rate some people had valid claims after DA2, but a lot of what you saw/will see after release are knee jerk reactions. Really the BSN showed it needs a bit more moderating, or more moderators to help the overrun ones. This place is filled with really nice, open minded people, we just need to get rid of the riff raff *takes off superiority complex*

[Melca36]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think the real problem is that a lot of them don't really "hate" Cullen (excluding those who hate Templars etc), but rather they hate his fandom.

People hate what's popular...what's more they hate people who like what's popular....even if said thing isn't popular so much as well liked among a small group of people. Honestly I know exactly what's going to happen even if he's an AMAZING character.

1. We'll be happy, he lived up to our expectations and maybe even exceeded them.
2. The haters who were just following the trend will either be like "He's just what I imagined :D" or "He's a horrible character, these people are blind!!!"
3. The real haters won't change they're opinion regardless of whether he's the most epic companion of all time before or after. I mean I've heard, "Doesn't matter what they do, he's a stoopid character....etc."
4. And the indifferents will be swayed to one side or the other.

Tis the sad truth of things.

You forgot the outcries of "pandering" and "favoritism" that will erupt across the entire BSN 

I sort of grouped that into two and three respectively.

This reminds of a bit of Anders in DAII.
What bugged me most about that after the game was released was more the complaining that he was an "awful, horribly written character" and that his writer, who ended up getting bullied and harrassed over something else entirely, should be fired. (which is just about the kindest thing I saw said)
No, he wasn't a bad character. You just don't like him, what he did at the end, and your inability to do anything about it.
That is a fair complaint. The other is not.
I dislike what Loghain does in DAO, but he is still an awesome character.

Sometimes why I try to stay off these boards unless big news comes out. The negativity festers like nobody's business here.

Tis true, this place is a little haven for me. I think I had a account here before Dragon Age II came out, but never used it. Now I'm on here almost everyday. You guys are addicting

At any rate some people had valid claims after DA2, but a lot of what you saw/will see after release are knee jerk reactions. Really the BSN showed it needs a bit more moderating, or more moderators to help the overrun ones. This place is filled with really nice, open minded people, we just need to get rid of the riff raff *takes off superiority complex*

Delurking to speak my peace about DA2............

I rated the game a 7/10


I hated the cartoony combat. I hate the Fetch and Deliver quests, and I don't consider Kirkwall a City full of life as it was described before the game came out...

The characters are what made the game. 


I am glad the developers have acknowledged the missteps they made with DA2 because there were missteps.  

I'm hopeful that DA3 will appeal to all fans and it sounds like they are working to do that.

That said,  I think people need to remember the game is going to be on another game engine. I see posts from people expecting it to be exactly like DA2 and some expecting it like Origins.



Its not going to look or even feel the same because of being on a different engine. People need to prepare themselves.

I even expect Cullen to look different than what he looked like in DA2 because the game engine is completely different.  And that is a scary notion. Here's hoping the artists get it right.

Going back to lurk now

Modifié par Melca36, 20 février 2013 - 09:36 .

[LolaLei]

Melca36 wrote...

Delurking to let people know.........Playstartion Press Conference TONIGHT!!!  :happy::happy:

http://www.gameinfor...ivestream.aspx

Cameron posted this on his Twitter


EDIT [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]Right now Im only seeing stuff from 2012.

Good ol' Cam, such a babe!

Modifié par LolaLei, 20 février 2013 - 10:05 .

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

At any rate some people had valid claims after DA2, but a lot of what you saw/will see after release are knee jerk reactions. Really the BSN showed it needs a bit more moderating, or more moderators to help the overrun ones. This place is filled with really nice, open minded people, we just need to get rid of the riff raff *takes off superiority complex*

You know this is something I've been thinking about on and off since we got that survey about what we liked/didn't like/would like about the forums. I recall it asked us our opinion on whether we would prefer positive or negative incentives for moderating the boards, phrased slightly differently, and the parent in me quailed at the fact that I chose negative incentives.

I do think there needs to be "more" moderating, but of exactly what kind I don't know. I do sorta feel like the mods give the extreme posters a bit too much leash. Some of the vitriol spewed here is just unconscionable. Then, it seems most bans are just for 3 days? I've seen some pretty egregious behavior to which I would have given a more significant consequence. I don't know where the line would be on permanent bans, tho, esp since this is the account you need to register/validate your game, etc. It's a tough subject, but maybe more moderators, like Danny suggested, would help.

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

At any rate some people had valid claims after DA2, but a lot of what you saw/will see after release are knee jerk reactions. Really the BSN showed it needs a bit more moderating, or more moderators to help the overrun ones. This place is filled with really nice, open minded people, we just need to get rid of the riff raff *takes off superiority complex*

You know this is something I've been thinking about on and off since we got that survey about what we liked/didn't like/would like about the forums. I recall it asked us our opinion on whether we would prefer positive or negative incentives for moderating the boards, phrased slightly differently, and the parent in me quailed at the fact that I chose negative incentives.

I do think there needs to be "more" moderating, but of exactly what kind I don't know. I do sorta feel like the mods give the extreme posters a bit too much leash. Some of the vitriol spewed here is just unconscionable. Then, it seems most bans are just for 3 days? I've seen some pretty egregious behavior to which I would have given a more significant consequence. I don't know where the line would be on permanent bans, tho, esp since this is the account you need to register/validate your game, etc. It's a tough subject, but maybe more moderators, like Danny suggested, would help.

I wonder if more moderators would work. At least for the short term. There would have to be some serious harsh consequences doled out for those posters who are extremely over the top rude and hateful. As in permanent ban. (It's sad that there is even a need for more babysitters for what is supposed to be an 'adult' game but there ya go.) If folks knew that they'd be ousted for unacceptable behavior it may deter some. Keep the 3 day ban for lesser offenses. Run it like a high school principal, since that's how old some of these people are acting. Surely you wouldn't go out in public and talk to people like that. Why be allowed to do it here?

*hands soap box to next person in line*

[LolaLei]

Like when I got banned for 24 hours for sticking up for gay rights against repeat offenders. Good job I was able to get it lifted really.

[Danny Boy 7]

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

At any rate some people had valid claims after DA2, but a lot of what you saw/will see after release are knee jerk reactions. Really the BSN showed it needs a bit more moderating, or more moderators to help the overrun ones. This place is filled with really nice, open minded people, we just need to get rid of the riff raff *takes off superiority complex*

You know this is something I've been thinking about on and off since we got that survey about what we liked/didn't like/would like about the forums. I recall it asked us our opinion on whether we would prefer positive or negative incentives for moderating the boards, phrased slightly differently, and the parent in me quailed at the fact that I chose negative incentives.

I do think there needs to be "more" moderating, but of exactly what kind I don't know. I do sorta feel like the mods give the extreme posters a bit too much leash. Some of the vitriol spewed here is just unconscionable. Then, it seems most bans are just for 3 days? I've seen some pretty egregious behavior to which I would have given a more significant consequence. I don't know where the line would be on permanent bans, tho, esp since this is the account you need to register/validate your game, etc. It's a tough subject, but maybe more moderators, like Danny suggested, would help.

I wonder if more moderators would work. At least for the short term. There would have to be some serious harsh consequences doled out for those posters who are extremely over the top rude and hateful. As in permanent ban. (It's sad that there is even a need for more babysitters for what is supposed to be an 'adult' game but there ya go.) If folks knew that they'd be ousted for unacceptable behavior it may deter some. Keep the 3 day ban for lesser offenses. Run it like a high school principal, since that's how old some of these people are acting. Surely you wouldn't go out in public and talk to people like that. Why be allowed to do it here?

*hands soap box to next person in line*

Well there's the rub, as long as someone isn't discriminitory the mods can't really do much and even then they run the risk of simply trampaling over someone's opinion (whether good or bad people have the right to express it). I think what more mods does is simply curtail the more extreme people while also cutting the bad threads in half.

We'll never get rid of these people, I mean some of them run into threads with mods/devs in them and they STILL spew their hate, but somethings better than nothing right?

@R2 I felt the same when that question came up. I was like, "Well there are good people they should be rewarded!" .... and then I remembered why I tend to stick to here ....it was easier from there on. I mean I'd like for the good folk (dunno if I'm counted among them) to get rewarded but....meh better to clean up the forums. I think that would be the greatest reward to those fans who've been good.

[R2s Muse]

Well said, Danny. I think that would be the best reward for us!

Also agree with meanie and Lola, somehow there needs to be levels of punishment and some overarching authority recognizing repeat offenders with escalating consequences. But, as Danny mentioned, there's a fine line between free speech and censorship. BUT this isn't a public forum. I don't think everyone's hate needs to be protected here. Of course who draws that line tho?

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Well said, Danny. I think that would be the best reward for us!

Also agree with meanie and Lola, somehow there needs to be levels of punishment and some overarching authority recognizing repeat offenders with escalating consequences. But, as Danny mentioned, there's a fine line between free speech and censorship. BUT this isn't a public forum. I don't think everyone's hate needs to be protected here. Of course who draws that line tho?

I think it doesn't help that a lot of the moderators are people working directly for BioWare/DA on the games, so it probably personally offends and insults them seeing people attack something they've worked so hard on. As a result they don't visit the site so often and the forums go (mostly) unmonitored. Of the few moderators that don't work directly for BioWare, there's not enough of them to keep control of things.

[Ilidan_DA]

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Well said, Danny. I think that would be the best reward for us!

Also agree with meanie and Lola, somehow there needs to be levels of punishment and some overarching authority recognizing repeat offenders with escalating consequences. But, as Danny mentioned, there's a fine line between free speech and censorship. BUT this isn't a public forum. I don't think everyone's hate needs to be protected here. Of course who draws that line tho?

I think it doesn't help that a lot of the moderators are people working directly for BioWare/DA on the games, so it probably personally offends and insults them seeing people attack something they've worked so hard on. As a result they don't visit the site so often and the forums go (mostly) unmonitored. Of the few moderators that don't work directly for BioWare, there's not enough of them to keep control of things.

agree, Lola. Also on non-BW mods, I wonder if they feel less authority in some of the more gray areas of abuse. But, my thought is it's these mods they should increase in number.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Well said, Danny. I think that would be the best reward for us!

Also agree with meanie and Lola, somehow there needs to be levels of punishment and some overarching authority recognizing repeat offenders with escalating consequences. But, as Danny mentioned, there's a fine line between free speech and censorship. BUT this isn't a public forum. I don't think everyone's hate needs to be protected here. Of course who draws that line tho?

I think it doesn't help that a lot of the moderators are people working directly for BioWare/DA on the games, so it probably personally offends and insults them seeing people attack something they've worked so hard on. As a result they don't visit the site so often and the forums go (mostly) unmonitored. Of the few moderators that don't work directly for BioWare, there's not enough of them to keep control of things.

agree, Lola. Also on non-BW mods, I wonder if they feel less authority in some of the more gray areas of abuse. But, my thought is it's these mods they should increase in number.

It's a difficult situation really. If they hire moderators externally that aren't fans then they'll have to pay them, but if they give the mod jobs to fans then you're gonna get them banning and locking threads because the BSN users insulted his/her favourite character/game/attribute or whatever.

Modifié par LolaLei, 20 février 2013 - 02:30 .

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Well said, Danny. I think that would be the best reward for us!

Also agree with meanie and Lola, somehow there needs to be levels of punishment and some overarching authority recognizing repeat offenders with escalating consequences. But, as Danny mentioned, there's a fine line between free speech and censorship. BUT this isn't a public forum. I don't think everyone's hate needs to be protected here. Of course who draws that line tho?

I think it doesn't help that a lot of the moderators are people working directly for BioWare/DA on the games, so it probably personally offends and insults them seeing people attack something they've worked so hard on. As a result they don't visit the site so often and the forums go (mostly) unmonitored. Of the few moderators that don't work directly for BioWare, there's not enough of them to keep control of things.

agree, Lola. Also on non-BW mods, I wonder if they feel less authority in some of the more gray areas of abuse. But, my thought is it's these mods they should increase in number.

It's a difficult situation really. If they hire moderators externally that aren't fans then they'll have to pay them, but if they give the mod jobs to fans then you're gonna get them banning and locking threads because the BSN users insulted his/her favourite character/game/attribute or whatever.

Or conversly they might not want be as "strict" in an attempt NOT to trample that persons opinion. I used to mod a SWTOR forum and one of the things I was worried about was banning/giving someone a warning because they said something "I" thought was bad, but wasn't necessarily.

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Well said, Danny. I think that would be the best reward for us!

Also agree with meanie and Lola, somehow there needs to be levels of punishment and some overarching authority recognizing repeat offenders with escalating consequences. But, as Danny mentioned, there's a fine line between free speech and censorship. BUT this isn't a public forum. I don't think everyone's hate needs to be protected here. Of course who draws that line tho?

I think it doesn't help that a lot of the moderators are people working directly for BioWare/DA on the games, so it probably personally offends and insults them seeing people attack something they've worked so hard on. As a result they don't visit the site so often and the forums go (mostly) unmonitored. Of the few moderators that don't work directly for BioWare, there's not enough of them to keep control of things.

agree, Lola. Also on non-BW mods, I wonder if they feel less authority in some of the more gray areas of abuse. But, my thought is it's these mods they should increase in number.

It's a difficult situation really. If they hire moderators externally that aren't fans then they'll have to pay them, but if they give the mod jobs to fans then you're gonna get them banning and locking threads because the BSN users insulted his/her favourite character/game/attribute or whatever.

Or conversly they might not want be as "strict" in an attempt NOT to trample that persons opinion. I used to mod a SWTOR forum and one of the things I was worried about was banning/giving someone a warning because they said something "I" thought was bad, but wasn't necessarily.

Perhaps a set of guidelines from EA/BioWare outlining what kind of behaviour is or isn't acceptable would help? It goes without saying that topics that incite homophobic/racist/sexist/bullying posts would need to be locked down and the offenders warned and/or subsequently banned, and they do, but often it's not dealt with until the problem has escalated to ridiculous levels.

Modifié par LolaLei, 20 février 2013 - 02:49 .

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It's a difficult situation really. If they hire moderators externally that aren't fans then they'll have to pay them, but if they give the mod jobs to fans then you're gonna get them banning and locking threads because the BSN users insulted his/her favourite character/game/attribute or whatever.

Or conversly they might not want be as "strict" in an attempt NOT to trample that persons opinion. I used to mod a SWTOR forum and one of the things I was worried about was banning/giving someone a warning because they said something "I" thought was bad, but wasn't necessarily.

Indeed, it would be very very difficult to be a mod here. But, outside of evilChris, John Epler, and Allan, I don't think I see much regular, active moderation. Sometimes NinjaStan, but that seems mostly to close a thread, and of course, the odd dev who listens in and tries to redirect or lock, like DG, sometimes Blair, in rare instances Cam or Mary Kirby. That's not very many people for a forum this size.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 20 février 2013 - 02:55 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Perhaps a set of guidelines from EA/BioWare outlining what kind of behaviour is or isn't acceptable would help? It goes without saying that topics that incite homophobic/racist/sexist/bullying posts would need to be locked down and the offenders warned and/or subsequently banned, and they do, but often it's not dealt with until the problem has escalated to ridiculous levels.

I wonder if something like that would take a whole new terms of use for the site, tho, like they did after the horrible Jennifer Hepler abuse episode. Heh, actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of that is already in the fine print that we all just never really read.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Perhaps a set of guidelines from EA/BioWare outlining what kind of behaviour is or isn't acceptable would help? It goes without saying that topics that incite homophobic/racist/sexist/bullying posts would need to be locked down and the offenders warned and/or subsequently banned, and they do, but often it's not dealt with until the problem has escalated to ridiculous levels.

I wonder if something like that would take a whole new terms of use for the site, tho, like they did after the horrible Jennifer Hepler abuse episode. Heh, actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of that is already in the fine print that we all just never really read.

I wasn't around for the Hepler thing, I know what set the whole issue off, but I don't know what actually occured within the forum. What was it like in here? Bad?

[Danny Boy 7]

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

I want to throw money at them lol. I'm glad everything seems to be on track. I dunno if thats necessarily the case, but I can't wait to see the product.

[LolaLei]

I'd throw my body at them if they give us Cullen as a romanceable companion! 

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Perhaps a set of guidelines from EA/BioWare outlining what kind of behaviour is or isn't acceptable would help? It goes without saying that topics that incite homophobic/racist/sexist/bullying posts would need to be locked down and the offenders warned and/or subsequently banned, and they do, but often it's not dealt with until the problem has escalated to ridiculous levels.

I wonder if something like that would take a whole new terms of use for the site, tho, like they did after the horrible Jennifer Hepler abuse episode. Heh, actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of that is already in the fine print that we all just never really read.

I wasn't around for the Hepler thing, I know what set the whole issue off, but I don't know what actually occured within the forum. What was it like in here? Bad?

Um, yeah, it was bad. Of course, it was worse on Reddit, where the whole thing started. Apparently, including erm, direct threats against her and her family at home. It was bad enough that it warranted this: http://social.biowar...ndex/9381043/1   I don't know if any of the bad stuff is still there... The comments started out supportive, and then later, the haters piled on. :shudder:  Dark days for the BW fandom.

The other outcome, of course, was these much lengthier Site Rules.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 20 février 2013 - 03:04 .