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[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think it was because Hawke earned Cullen respect? He could have tried to arrest him and even if he failed more Templar reinforcements would have arrived or maybe he didn't want more casualties? That ending can be explained, but why does Cullen and the Templars bow to Hawke in the Templar ending?

I got the impression that Cullen 'n' the other Templars bow to Hawke in a pro-Templar ending because 1) Hawke sided with them and 2) because she's/he's to become the new Viscount.

I do wonder why he let pro-mage Hawke go. Was it because Cullen considered Hawke a friend? Or that he felt that in a lot of ways Hawke and himself had been thrown into a similar impossible situation? Was it because Hawke was a fellow Ferelden? Did he just not need the headache of trying to capture Hawke, which would undoubtedly put his life at risk by fighting him/her? Had Cullen finally had enough and thought to himself "balls to this sh!t, I've had enough of Mages and Templars!" Or could it be all of the above?

The one thing I do hope, is that Cullen will explain his actions in DA3.

I agree with all of the above. I also think that by that point Cullen realized that he owed Hawke (mage or not) his life and the lives of every living templar there after taking out both the Meredith and Orisino monsters. Maybe he deep down felt like there was something fundamentally wrong with attacking someone who had just bought you your next breath? Or he could have also been pee-in-your-small-pants afraid to try. 

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think it was because Hawke earned Cullen respect? He could have tried to arrest him and even if he failed more Templar reinforcements would have arrived or maybe he didn't want more casualties? That ending can be explained, but why does Cullen and the Templars bow to Hawke in the Templar ending?

I got the impression that Cullen 'n' the other Templars bow to Hawke in a pro-Templar ending because 1) Hawke sided with them and 2) because she's/he's to become the new Viscount.

I do wonder why he let pro-mage Hawke go. Was it because Cullen considered Hawke a friend? Or that he felt that in a lot of ways Hawke and himself had been thrown into a similar impossible situation? Was it because Hawke was a fellow Ferelden? Did he just not need the headache of trying to capture Hawke, which would undoubtedly put his life at risk by fighting him/her? Had Cullen finally had enough and thought to himself "balls to this sh!t, I've had enough of Mages and Templars!" Or could it be all of the above?

The one thing I do hope, is that Cullen will explain his actions in DA3.

I agree with all of the above. I also think that by that point Cullen realized that he owed Hawke (mage or not) his life and the lives of every living templar there after taking out both the Meredith and Orisino monsters. Maybe he deep down felt like there was something fundamentally wrong with attacking someone who had just bought you your next breath? Or he could have also been pee-in-your-small-pants afraid to try. 

I totally hadn't thought about it like that! I bet you're right! Especially considering Hawke had helped him out numerous times over the 10+ years that they lived in Kirkwall, not to mention that he/she actually bothered to take the time to check in on him every now and again to see how Cullen was doing, I can't imagine he had many other visitors, if any.

Modifié par LolaLei, 25 février 2013 - 11:02 .

[LolaLei]

I think the loveliest thing that Cullen could say regarding letting a pro-mage Hawke go would be something like: "He/she was the closest thing I had to a friend" or "I considered Hawke a friend", just something as simple and pure as that.

Modifié par LolaLei, 25 février 2013 - 11:32 .

[Newschmoo]

I felt that Cullen treated Hawke as a friend (I kind of got the impression that Cullen didn't have many friends). He seemed to address Hawke in that way and he did tip him off about certain things (like the Favour and Fault quest).

I think Cullen saw him as a kindred spirit in that they both wanted to do what was right. Also Hawke was badass in combat and you really want him on your side (he may be needed again in the future).

[VampOrchid]

So with my stuff all packed, I head for Mexico tomorrow! YAY!

Thought I would drop by and say Bye! I hope something DA3 related happens while I'm gone!

[meanieweenie]

Happy trails and stay safe, Vamp!

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

I think the loveliest thing that Cullen could say regarding letting a pro-mage Hawke go would be something like: "He/she was the closest thing I had to a friend" or "I considered Hawke a friend", just something as simple and pure as that.

I don't know. I don't feel Cullen and my Hawke were friends. Cullen alerted Hawke to Aveline's predicament specifically to "save the career of a good woman" (or something like that??) not because he and Hawke are friends or because he and Aveline are friends.

Cullen is an honorable man and a moral man; he does what he thinks is right by head and heart. He also respects Hawke because Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall, plus Hawke has helped Culleni in the past (i.e. Hawke has acted honorably, something Cullen responds to). 

But they simply didn't interact enough for them to seem like "friends" to me. If Cullen had/has any friends, it would be some of the higher ranking templars, like Moira or Thrask (I feel like he and Thrask were friends of a sort at one point; maybe Thrask even regarded Cullen is a young brother/son type, especially since Cullen was new to his command post. But I would imagine they had a falling out at some point, followed by Thrask joining up with Grace and sowing the seeds of rebellion.)

Bye Vamp! 

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think the loveliest thing that Cullen could say regarding letting a pro-mage Hawke go would be something like: "He/she was the closest thing I had to a friend" or "I considered Hawke a friend", just something as simple and pure as that.

I don't know. I don't feel Cullen and my Hawke were friends. Cullen alerted Hawke to Aveline's predicament specifically to "save the career of a good woman" (or something like that??) not because he and Hawke are friends or because he and Aveline are friends.

Cullen is an honorable man and a moral man; he does what he thinks is right by head and heart. He also respects Hawke because Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall, plus Hawke has helped Culleni in the past (i.e. Hawke has acted honorably, something Cullen responds to). 

But they simply didn't interact enough for them to seem like "friends" to me. If Cullen had/has any friends, it would be some of the higher ranking templars, like Moira or Thrask (I feel like he and Thrask were friends of a sort at one point; maybe Thrask even regarded Cullen is a young brother/son type, especially since Cullen was new to his command post. But I would imagine they had a falling out at some point, followed by Thrask joining up with Grace and sowing the seeds of rebellion.)

Bye Vamp! 

I guess it depends how often they interacted between those years that we didn't see. My Hawke considered him a friend, not as close as he was with his companions, but enough to take the time to check in on him at the Gallows regularly and stuff.

Modifié par LolaLei, 26 février 2013 - 01:08 .

[LolaLei]

That actually brings me to a new question:

Do you guys feel that Cullen seems to be the type of guy to have many friends, if at all? And, for DA3 would you want him to mention/talk about that aspect of his social life (or possible lack of)?

I kinda like the idea of him not really having any close friends due to his PTSD and job preventing him from forming any real close bonds or friendships (until he meets the protagonist 'n' co).

Modifié par LolaLei, 26 février 2013 - 01:21 .

[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think the loveliest thing that Cullen could say regarding letting a pro-mage Hawke go would be something like: "He/she was the closest thing I had to a friend" or "I considered Hawke a friend", just something as simple and pure as that.

I don't know. I don't feel Cullen and my Hawke were friends. Cullen alerted Hawke to Aveline's predicament specifically to "save the career of a good woman" (or something like that??) not because he and Hawke are friends or because he and Aveline are friends.

Cullen is an honorable man and a moral man; he does what he thinks is right by head and heart. He also respects Hawke because Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall, plus Hawke has helped Culleni in the past (i.e. Hawke has acted honorably, something Cullen responds to). 

But they simply didn't interact enough for them to seem like "friends" to me. If Cullen had/has any friends, it would be some of the higher ranking templars, like Moira or Thrask (I feel like he and Thrask were friends of a sort at one point; maybe Thrask even regarded Cullen is a young brother/son type, especially since Cullen was new to his command post. But I would imagine they had a falling out at some point, followed by Thrask joining up with Grace and sowing the seeds of rebellion.)

Bye Vamp! 

I agree, I dunno if 1, His duties allowed him much time among Hawke and co. and 2. He would even have time to do so. I think my Hawke has a respect for Cullen, but the constant fear of getting turned in might keep them from being more than friendly aquientances.

Aside from that I got the feeling Cullen doesn't have many friends anymore. He seemed to have quite a few in Ferelden, at least among the templars, but I think after Uldred's er incident he might be a little withdrawn. Kirkwall certainly didn't allow him many chances to be...well liked. Being a Ferelden, promoted over more senior knights and a bit of a favorite.

[LolaLei]

Well, if they didn't like him in Ferelden then they're gonna hate him in Orlais!

[LolaLei]

Speaking of Ferelden and the recent concept art of their clothing etc, I'd say that Cullen's concept outfit is VERY Fereldan in style, what with the fur 'n' stuff!

Modifié par LolaLei, 26 février 2013 - 02:10 .

[Jean]

I think he'd be content on being by himself and sitting around his office (would he even have one?) reading Hard in Hightown or summat

[CuriousArtemis]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Kirkwall certainly didn't allow him many chances to be...well liked. Being a Ferelden, promoted over more senior knights and a bit of a favorite.

True!! But rather than assume others didn't like him, I'm taking it from the opposite perspective and guessing that perhaps Cullen didn't make much effort to befriend others. He was an outsider, perhaps embarrassed to be promoted above his seniors (I know what it feels like to feel as if your co-workers think you've been promoted unfairly), and a shy person to begin with, and after his ordeal in Ferelden, forget it. He's a work-a-holic and a wallflower.

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Speaking of Ferelden and the recent concept art of their clothing etc, I'd say that Cullen's concept outfit is VERY Fereldan in style, what with the fur 'n' stuff!

I wonder when, or even if we'll wear stuff like that. I'd love it....well maybe not the male Orlesian one...not the hat at least

[LolaLei]

Hopefully the protagonist will have a nice range of clothing choices. I can't wait to actually run around Orlais, the protagonist 'n' co are gonna look so out of place compared to all the masked Orlesians in the upper class part of the city!

[LolaLei]

Oh, Sprint Review Day should be on March 1st apparently.

[Jean]

So... Would he be a cat person or a dog person?

he'd totally own a shih tzu

[CuriousArtemis]

An animal person? He's a good soul, so I can't see him discriminating.

As for what he'd own... he's kind of vanilla lol so either a golden retriever of a gray tabby.

[Sifr]

Having Cullen stand up to Meredith and go to bat for a Mage Hawke during the Mage path, has to be one of my favourite moments in the game. Particularly when he steps aside and lets them leave without incident.

I think it was a moment that sold the notion that Cullen considered Hawke a trusted friend and ally to all of Kirkwall, an example of an honourable apostate who uses their magic to protect others and never selfishly.

While Cullen believes the majority of mages cannot be trusted, I think Hawke's repeated service rendered to the city convinced him that such an individual does not require to be imprisoned in the Circle nor kept under Templar supervision.

Personally, I like to think that Cullen was one of those who lobbied for Mage Hawke remain free after they were outed during the Qunari Invasion. While at that point, Meredith was still reasonable, I don't think she'd be so lenient without severe prodding.

For as to why he lets a non-Mage Hawke go who's pro-Mage? I believe Cullen considers Hawke to be a kindred soul and an example of someone who's a Templar in all but name.

As he says during the Templar path, he believes that a Templar is someone who protects Mages from others, protects others from them, and as Orsino demonstrated, sometimes being forced to protect them from themselves. Hawke does all of those things during the Mage path, proving that they might be on different sides, but their goals are one and the same.

Of course, he's also clearly a little freaked out what happened to Meredith!

[deuce985]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think it was because Hawke earned Cullen respect? He could have tried to arrest him and even if he failed more Templar reinforcements would have arrived or maybe he didn't want more casualties? That ending can be explained, but why does Cullen and the Templars bow to Hawke in the Templar ending?

I got the impression that Cullen 'n' the other Templars bow to Hawke in a pro-Templar ending because 1) Hawke sided with them and 2) because she's/he's to become the new Viscount.

I do wonder why he let pro-mage Hawke go. Was it because Cullen considered Hawke a friend? Or that he felt that in a lot of ways Hawke and himself had been thrown into a similar impossible situation? Was it because Hawke was a fellow Ferelden? Did he just not need the headache of trying to capture Hawke, which would undoubtedly put his life at risk by fighting him/her? Had Cullen finally had enough and thought to himself "balls to this sh!t, I've had enough of Mages and Templars!" Or could it be all of the above?

The one thing I do hope, is that Cullen will explain his actions in DA3.

I agree with all of the above. I also think that by that point Cullen realized that he owed Hawke (mage or not) his life and the lives of every living templar there after taking out both the Meredith and Orisino monsters. Maybe he deep down felt like there was something fundamentally wrong with attacking someone who had just bought you your next breath? Or he could have also been pee-in-your-small-pants afraid to try. 

...A wild brushyourteeth appears!

[Jean]

I wonder if he was thinking more along the lines of "Get out of here before I change my mind".
I mean, he did stand there and think about it for a second and never did completely lower his weapon.
But who knows what was going on in his head. Maybe he just didn't want to get killed.

I wonder if the other templars/knight-commanders would reprimand him for letting a pro-mage Hawke go? Especially if said Hawke was a mage and if Anders was still with you.

[LolaLei]

Batteries wrote...

I wonder if he was thinking more along the lines of "Get out of here before I change my mind".
I mean, he did stand there and think about it for a second and never did completely lower his weapon.
But who knows what was going on in his head. Maybe he just didn't want to get killed.

I wonder if the other templars/knight-commanders would reprimand him for letting a pro-mage Hawke go? Especially if said Hawke was a mage and if Anders was still with you.

Sorta like giving him the chance to escape before the Templars/Seekers pick up the hunt? That could a possibility!

[LolaLei]

What I wonder, regarding Cullen letting a pro-mage Hawke escape, is whether or not letting him go had any repercussions? Obviously, we saw the Templars siding with Cullen when he aided Hawke in killing Meredith etc, BUT that was ONLY in defeating Meredith since they knew she was crazy and made their jobs harder.

However, (and this goes for both pro-mage and pro-templar endings), would they still be willing to stand by a (potentially) Divine-loyal Cullen once all the Templars began to rebel? Just because they didn't like Meredith's balls to the wall methods, doesn't necessarily mean that they agree with the Divine's seemingly "pro-mage" stance. I'm sure that a small handful of those Templars that fought by his side in Kirkwall would defend Cullen should he find himself facing charges of insubordination etc, but I'm pretty sure that the bulk of them would happily back stab him or choose to rebel under Lambert's orders and aid the newly rebelled Order in throwing Cullen to the wolves, especially if Cullen actively tried to make a stand when the Nevarran Accord was severed. 

Modifié par LolaLei, 26 février 2013 - 12:58 .

[Sifr]

I'd suspect that the breaking of the Nevarran Accord would be the final straw for Cullen. From what we've see of him, it's likely he'd abandon the old order and ally himself with the Chantry.

I don't believe he'd remain with the Templars, at least, not willingly.

If he is with the Templars in DA3, he's either leading a faction loyal to the Chantry, or a POW held by the Templars who chose to rebel under the Lambert's orders.