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SilverMoonDragon wrote...

I was just playing DA2, when talking to Cullen in the second act (with an Amell Mage DAO import) he said a line that for some reason just...made me melt :wub:, damn I hope he's a companion and a romance option in DA3 *crosses fingers* <3


^^  THIS   

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Hi, Danny!! :D

Okay, I have a really random question that's bugging me and maybe you guys can help (especially MMG).

If you play the alienage elf origin in DA:O, you meet a couple elf kids playing in a back lot and they talk about how there aren't any elf heroes to imitate. So you can kinda say "yeah, tough break" or you can invent one for them (lie).

But Garahel was an elf, wasn't he? How do all the alienege elves not know that? Are they just that uneducated about the Blights, or their own people, or do you think the Denerim authorites go out of their way to make sure that it's something never spoken of?


Ehh it's anyone's guess? There is also Shartan, whom even the illiterate Fenris has heard of. I would think Shartan would appeal to City Elves who simultaneously fear and admire the Dalish. And yeah, Garahel, the last Warden to slay an archdemon, right?

So you could head canon however you want, until a dev speaks up, I suppose? The humans of Denerim controlling alienage education reflects eerily of the textbook situation going on in the US right now. Then again, these are children who maybe just don't have all their facts straight. 

I know Fenris is an exceptional guy; he can speak at least three languages (if not fluently, but pretty impressive for a person who can't read), but if a slave in Tevinter knows about elven history, why wouldn't children in Denerim?

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Ok, so Lola had a great suggestion after I asked her this question and honestly it probably would be extremely interesting to hear others thoughts on this....

Thought provoking....incoming:

The development of Cullen through the game has been awesome to see to be honest, I do wonder (if they do decide to make him a LI/Comp) how he will be introduced to the Inquisitor.
How could they implement Cullen to where it would make up for not allowing his crush in Origins to blossom? I mean, it was the whole forbidden love thing that got me hooked in the first place. Do you think they could come up with something that would fit a new Hero and do just as good as a job had it been allowed in Origins? It would have been EPIC in Origins, but now I am just really curious how this could go...

I actually really feel bad for the guy, he's a good person and giving him a happy ending would just really make me feel better LOL god that is pathetic.

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Demarco09 wrote...

How could they implement Cullen to where it would make up for not allowing his crush in Origins to blossom? I mean, it was the whole forbidden love thing that got me hooked in the first place. Do you think they could come up with something that would fit a new Hero and do just as good as a job had it been allowed in Origins? It would have been EPIC in Origins, but now I am just really curious how this could go...


I personally found his crush in Origins to be a little inappropriate and creepy ... not that he could help having the hots for someone, but I'm glad they made that not a "romance." Ahh I'm in a hurry, so gotta finish this fast with little to no explanation lol

In DA3, I hope he is at a disadvantage to some degree (i.e. imprisoned) rather than in a position of power over our PC, allowing our PC to do the "heroic" thing and save him, perhaps putting him in the PC's debt. He is an honorable man, and that would be good reason for him to follow the PC methiks (similar to Sten or Fenris). 

Just my very brief thoughts xD Good question!

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motomotogirl wrote...

Demarco09 wrote...

How could they implement Cullen to where it would make up for not allowing his crush in Origins to blossom? I mean, it was the whole forbidden love thing that got me hooked in the first place. Do you think they could come up with something that would fit a new Hero and do just as good as a job had it been allowed in Origins? It would have been EPIC in Origins, but now I am just really curious how this could go...


I personally found his crush in Origins to be a little inappropriate and creepy ... not that he could help having the hots for someone, but I'm glad they made that not a "romance." Ahh I'm in a hurry, so gotta finish this fast with little to no explanation lol

In DA3, I hope he is at a disadvantage to some degree (i.e. imprisoned) rather than in a position of power over our PC, allowing our PC to do the "heroic" thing and save him, perhaps putting him in the PC's debt. He is an honorable man, and that would be good reason for him to follow the PC methiks (similar to Sten or Fenris). 

Just my very brief thoughts xD Good question!


hmm Now that is a great suggestion as well...   reversing the roles. I never thought about that before. I wonder if it would be best to actually make it into some more in-depth mission. Not like long or anything but something more than Sten, that was pretty short and had no emotional connection or anything. But like a cool mission to help him in some way like you said. 

I like it :)

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Let's make this thread vaguely disturbing again.. :P My latest DA3 meme post

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Renmiri1 wrote...

Let's make this thread vaguely disturbing again.. :P My latest DA3 meme post

Image IPB


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA   ahhh now that is what I am talking about, humor is back on BSN thank you!  BSN prior to DA2 and ME3 was just freaking awesome to chat on. Was addicted, now it just makes my head hurt :blink:

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LMFAO! Everybody loves Mike Hawke!

... (I totally wish I'd called my canon Hawke that!)

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Demarco09 wrote...

Ok, so Lola had a great suggestion after I asked her this question and honestly it probably would be extremely interesting to hear others thoughts on this....

Thought provoking....incoming:

The development of Cullen through the game has been awesome to see to be honest, I do wonder (if they do decide to make him a LI/Comp) how he will be introduced to the Inquisitor.
How could they implement Cullen to where it would make up for not allowing his crush in Origins to blossom? I mean, it was the whole forbidden love thing that got me hooked in the first place. Do you think they could come up with something that would fit a new Hero and do just as good as a job had it been allowed in Origins? It would have been EPIC in Origins, but now I am just really curious how this could go...

I actually really feel bad for the guy, he's a good person and giving him a happy ending would just really make me feel better LOL god that is pathetic.



Not at all :) ...I feel the same way, he deserves to have happiness <3

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Demarco09 wrote...

Ok, so Lola had a great suggestion after I asked her this question and honestly it probably would be extremely interesting to hear others thoughts on this....

Thought provoking....incoming:

The development of Cullen through the game has been awesome to see to be honest, I do wonder (if they do decide to make him a LI/Comp) how he will be introduced to the Inquisitor.
How could they implement Cullen to where it would make up for not allowing his crush in Origins to blossom? I mean, it was the whole forbidden love thing that got me hooked in the first place. Do you think they could come up with something that would fit a new Hero and do just as good as a job had it been allowed in Origins? It would have been EPIC in Origins, but now I am just really curious how this could go...

I actually really feel bad for the guy, he's a good person and giving him a happy ending would just really make me feel better LOL god that is pathetic.

Hmm, I guess I don't really think of the crush in Origins as being something BW has to make up for, since while the crush was understandable, I'm also glad it didn't go anywhere. The power differential between them was too significant without having a few other subplots to unwind it in some way. So, I guess I'm with MMG that I just view the crush in DA:O as a crush,  sweet but something from his past that he's gotten over. I'm much more interested in how a more experienced and mature Cullen would deal with romance than the greenhorn he once was. So, for me, I think a DA3 Cullen romance would also be much more satisfying.

As for the direction they could take it, gosh, I can think of many many ways, depending on the many many ways the story of the Inquisitor could go. He's disgraced after his insubordination with Meredith, so the Inquisitor recruits him to her motley crew of ex-cons trying to make right, giving him renewed purpose. He's a conflicted Knight-Commander working under the newly independent Templar Order, working at odds with the Inquisitor who ultimately helps him find his way again. So many fun redemption stories I could write!

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R2s Muse wrote...

Demarco09 wrote...

Ok, so Lola had a great suggestion after I asked her this question and honestly it probably would be extremely interesting to hear others thoughts on this....

Thought provoking....incoming:

The development of Cullen through the game has been awesome to see to be honest, I do wonder (if they do decide to make him a LI/Comp) how he will be introduced to the Inquisitor.
How could they implement Cullen to where it would make up for not allowing his crush in Origins to blossom? I mean, it was the whole forbidden love thing that got me hooked in the first place. Do you think they could come up with something that would fit a new Hero and do just as good as a job had it been allowed in Origins? It would have been EPIC in Origins, but now I am just really curious how this could go...

I actually really feel bad for the guy, he's a good person and giving him a happy ending would just really make me feel better LOL god that is pathetic.

Hmm, I guess I don't really think of the crush in Origins as being something BW has to make up for, since while the crush was understandable, I'm also glad it didn't go anywhere. The power differential between them was too significant without having a few other subplots to unwind it in some way. So, I guess I'm with MMG that I just view the crush in DA:O as a crush,  sweet but something from his past that he's gotten over. I'm much more interested in how a more experienced and mature Cullen would deal with romance than the greenhorn he once was. So, for me, I think a DA3 Cullen romance would also be much more satisfying.

As for the direction they could take it, gosh, I can think of many many ways, depending on the many many ways the story of the Inquisitor could go. He's disgraced after his insubordination with Meredith, so the Inquisitor recruits him to her motley crew of ex-cons trying to make right, giving him renewed purpose. He's a conflicted Knight-Commander working under the newly independent Templar Order, working at odds with the Inquisitor who ultimately helps him find his way again. So many fun redemption stories I could write!

I hate to be "that guy" again.... but I agree with everything you just said, R2. Cullen's a totally different person (I would think) by the time DA3 rolls in. In DA:O he's barely a man. Crushes happen and even if it were "true love", things happen and you move on. DA2 - more reponsibilities and experience under his belt.... he's evolved even then. By this next game, just imagine the possibilities. The horrors of war and conflict seems to affect each soldier uniquely. Some are quicker to anger while others may be more inclined to nuture and forgive. Some curse the fact they lived through it and some praise the Maker for every day they live. BW could truly go in any direction with Cullen. I'm excited to see where his character goes.

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R2s Muse wrote...

Demarco09 wrote...

Ok, so Lola had a great suggestion after I asked her this question and honestly it probably would be extremely interesting to hear others thoughts on this....

Thought provoking....incoming:

The development of Cullen through the game has been awesome to see to be honest, I do wonder (if they do decide to make him a LI/Comp) how he will be introduced to the Inquisitor.
How could they implement Cullen to where it would make up for not allowing his crush in Origins to blossom? I mean, it was the whole forbidden love thing that got me hooked in the first place. Do you think they could come up with something that would fit a new Hero and do just as good as a job had it been allowed in Origins? It would have been EPIC in Origins, but now I am just really curious how this could go...

I actually really feel bad for the guy, he's a good person and giving him a happy ending would just really make me feel better LOL god that is pathetic.

Hmm, I guess I don't really think of the crush in Origins as being something BW has to make up for, since while the crush was understandable, I'm also glad it didn't go anywhere. The power differential between them was too significant without having a few other subplots to unwind it in some way. So, I guess I'm with MMG that I just view the crush in DA:O as a crush,  sweet but something from his past that he's gotten over. I'm much more interested in how a more experienced and mature Cullen would deal with romance than the greenhorn he once was. So, for me, I think a DA3 Cullen romance would also be much more satisfying.

As for the direction they could take it, gosh, I can think of many many ways, depending on the many many ways the story of the Inquisitor could go. He's disgraced after his insubordination with Meredith, so the Inquisitor recruits him to her motley crew of ex-cons trying to make right, giving him renewed purpose. He's a conflicted Knight-Commander working under the newly independent Templar Order, working at odds with the Inquisitor who ultimately helps him find his way again. So many fun redemption stories I could write!


You know, idk honestly. I have plenty of ideas but atm I need to know at least the broad plot thread to get an idea as to why we're recruiting them, what his motivations could be etc.

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Well said, meanie! Indeed, he could go in so many directions in the next one... just thinking about the possibilities boggles the mind. LOL No wonder DG said he was expecting the pitchforks.

(edit: also, exactly what Danny said! LOL Have we become a hive mind??)

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Resistance is futile.

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meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Demarco09 wrote...

Ok, so Lola had a great suggestion after I asked her this question and honestly it probably would be extremely interesting to hear others thoughts on this....

Thought provoking....incoming:

The development of Cullen through the game has been awesome to see to be honest, I do wonder (if they do decide to make him a LI/Comp) how he will be introduced to the Inquisitor.
How could they implement Cullen to where it would make up for not allowing his crush in Origins to blossom? I mean, it was the whole forbidden love thing that got me hooked in the first place. Do you think they could come up with something that would fit a new Hero and do just as good as a job had it been allowed in Origins? It would have been EPIC in Origins, but now I am just really curious how this could go...

I actually really feel bad for the guy, he's a good person and giving him a happy ending would just really make me feel better LOL god that is pathetic.

Hmm, I guess I don't really think of the crush in Origins as being something BW has to make up for, since while the crush was understandable, I'm also glad it didn't go anywhere. The power differential between them was too significant without having a few other subplots to unwind it in some way. So, I guess I'm with MMG that I just view the crush in DA:O as a crush,  sweet but something from his past that he's gotten over. I'm much more interested in how a more experienced and mature Cullen would deal with romance than the greenhorn he once was. So, for me, I think a DA3 Cullen romance would also be much more satisfying.

As for the direction they could take it, gosh, I can think of many many ways, depending on the many many ways the story of the Inquisitor could go. He's disgraced after his insubordination with Meredith, so the Inquisitor recruits him to her motley crew of ex-cons trying to make right, giving him renewed purpose. He's a conflicted Knight-Commander working under the newly independent Templar Order, working at odds with the Inquisitor who ultimately helps him find his way again. So many fun redemption stories I could write!

I hate to be "that guy" again.... but I agree with everything you just said, R2. Cullen's a totally different person (I would think) by the time DA3 rolls in. In DA:O he's barely a man. Crushes happen and even if it were "true love", things happen and you move on. DA2 - more reponsibilities and experience under his belt.... he's evolved even then. By this next game, just imagine the possibilities. The horrors of war and conflict seems to affect each soldier uniquely. Some are quicker to anger while others may be more inclined to nuture and forgive. Some curse the fact they lived through it and some praise the Maker for every day they live. BW could truly go in any direction with Cullen. I'm excited to see where his character goes.


While I love the puppy love that he had in DA:O, you make a great case for how his character evolved and it really isn't fitting to recreate this same type of "crush" for him. I fully agree that he has matured quite a bit since Origins, and honestly it just makes the possibilites that much more "squee'able" for me.
I will have to ask this again once we get a little more of an idea of the story plot, I would love to hear the different speculations everyone has on how this could go. My mind is going so many different ways at the moment!:o

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@ R2 seriously, if you write any for DA3 or how you think it might go and are willing to share, hit me up, I would love to read it! :D

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R2s Muse wrote...

Well said, meanie! Indeed, he could go in so many directions in the next one... just thinking about the possibilities boggles the mind. LOL No wonder DG said he was expecting the pitchforks.

(edit: also, exactly what Danny said! LOL Have we become a hive mind??)


Assuming direct control:alien:

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R2 has some wonderful fanfic, if you haven't discovered already. I'm eagerly awaiting a new batch of awesome once DA3 comes out.

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I've already answered the question in a PM when I was first asked, but I'll reply to it in here as well to join in with the conversation.

My feelings are much the same as the others, in that Cullen has had 10+ years to grow as a character and move on from the Amell/Surana situation (if you even played as one) so to some people his crush never happened. Regardless, it's pretty clear that he felt no ill feelings towards her by the time Act 2 had come around, which is progress in itself on the Mage front lol.

As for how his potential romance could be introduced in DA3, I guess it could go one of many ways. I think we can safely assume that it probably wouldn't be an easy romance to attempt, especially if Gaider's comment about predicting a lot of "angst" in his future is anything to go by. I'm personally hoping that his PTSD will come into play, since it's unlikely that he ever really had time to properly deal with his torture trauma, which was probably exasperated further after putting all his faith into the Templar Order, only to discover how flawed it had become under Meredith's command, subsequently leading him to aid Hawke in killing his superior, the very woman that gave him a second chance to be a Templar. Add to that list the mages rebelling and the vast majority of the Templar's turning their backs on the Chantry and the Divine, which is the one thing he has absolutely dedicated his life to serving, seemingly at the sacrificed of his own wants, needs and desires! And that's not even taking into account whatever potentially horrible things he's had to endure between the end of DA2 and the beginning of DA3 lol.

Soooooo, yuh I'm presuming the poor guy is gonna have a lot of head mess to work though before we successfully romance him (double that if your protagonist is a mage) lol. Poor bubby! <3

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@ R2 seriously, if you write any for DA3 or how you think it might go and are willing to share, hit me up, I would love to read it! :D

LOL Thanks!  Way too many plot bunnies floating around in my head to write down, but we've talked about so many possibilities here on the thread now  (thanks to Lola's great prompting!) that they'll all come around again. 

I do have two actual stories in the works about what could happen after DA2 with Cullen. One was a one-shot for pg 1500 that isn't finished, darn it all! (soon!) The other is basically a novel that I'm 40,000 words into. I've posted two short stories sort of from the timeline of the novel, if you're interested, Trust and Andraste's Grace. Plus Unspoken , with Lola, was technically about a DA3!Cullen.

(sorry... asking me about my stories is like asking a new mom about her baby... !)

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Demarco09 wrote...

@ R2 seriously, if you write any for DA3 or how you think it might go and are willing to share, hit me up, I would love to read it! :D


Lol, did you read the collaboration piece R2 and myself done? It was about a potential Cullen/Protagonist romance arc that could happen if David Gaider was feeling particularly evil lol.

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Oh, lol great minds! R2 just posted it up!

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Actually, speaking of Cullen's potential storyline. I'm wondering if maybe we'll discover that he's become a hardened, world weary veteran of battle by the time we actually find him, perhaps in recruiting him and subsequently romancing/friending him will require us to break down his protective barrier and essentially "soften" him up a bit.

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LolaLei wrote...

Actually, speaking of Cullen's potential storyline. I'm wondering if maybe we'll discover that he's become a hardened, world weary veteran of battle by the time we actually find him, perhaps in recruiting him and subsequently romancing/friending him will require us to break down his protective barrier and essentially "soften" him up a bit.

In a way, I hope this is the case.... and I hope it's more difficult than Fenris was BUT I hope he sticks around after the initial nookie. (Boy that irked me!)Image IPB

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meanieweenie wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Actually, speaking of Cullen's potential storyline. I'm wondering if maybe we'll discover that he's become a hardened, world weary veteran of battle by the time we actually find him, perhaps in recruiting him and subsequently romancing/friending him will require us to break down his protective barrier and essentially "soften" him up a bit.

In a way, I hope this is the case.... and I hope it's more difficult than Fenris was BUT I hope he sticks around after the initial nookie. (Boy that irked me!)Image IPB

Mmm, I would like that angle. I also can't help but think that, after all this time, he'd  have one of those "I never thought it would happen to me" kind of spinster incredulity that he's falling in love, and that he can't believe someone would love him back. I can't WAIT to convince him otherwise... :wub: