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[R2s Muse]

Demarco09 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I once read and Bethany/Cullen smutfic which had Cullen being ****ing awful to her during a sexual encounter that was basically forced upon them by Isabela, it went on for pages and pages, one minute he was insulting her for being a  mage and then he'd make her cry so he'd suddenly be all tender and sweet, then he'd turn on her again, whilst she'd get her own back, all whilst numerous sexual acts occurred between them. And this went on and on for pages and pages.

After a while I was like, **** this bullsh!t and stopped reading it. I got to the stage where I was like "oh for god sake either kill each other or find a way out of that ****ing room!" I was really angry LOL!

ya... ruining a character's persona is .... but ruining it in THAT way, bringing sexual acts into it is really borderline sick. Anything about abuse with sexual acts is, well there is something wrong with that individual. Especially when you take two characters who people already know and also know their personalities to where they know those characters would never do that.... it just is extremely horrific writing. I am sure in an academic list of what not to do when writing.... this would be highlighted lol  god, now I am all ragefest about this person.  I don't even know who the writer is but I want to verbally assault them.

Weeell, I can direct you to that particular fic, if you'd like to form your own opinion. If it's the one I think Lola's referring to, we actual differ in our opinions of how OOC it is. Don't get your blood pressure up just yet...

[R2s Muse]

Batteries wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Well, as a sheepish writer of fanfic, I don't really want to start throwing stones about what's "good" or "bad." There's a certainly a spectrum in characterization, partially I think because different folks see different things in existing characters, and no one can really say what's 100% "in character" except for that character's creator. But, indeed the spectrum is wide... particularly on the kinkmeme, which is probably why it's also heavily tagged.

OOC-ness (and even in characterness) on kinkmeme is great. It's hilarious and I can take it with a laugh. In the end, I pretty much like all fanfic so long as it's actually readable, including "what is going on this is great" fics.
The only time I question everything is when If feel like an author is trashing a character just because they don't like them.
I guess the negative feelings of the words and towards the character bounces off to me as the reader? Maybe making me feel like that is an accomplishment on their part? I am not sure.

I'll embarassingly admit I have written things before, but I just don't post them.

Yeah, that is sorta hard to read, since I often hope that fanfiction is rooted in love for the property. But then, I suppose some folks like to write different kinds of stories that may not work for my own escapist, happily-ever-after needs.

[Demarco09]

R2s Muse wrote...

Demarco09 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I once read and Bethany/Cullen smutfic which had Cullen being ****ing awful to her during a sexual encounter that was basically forced upon them by Isabela, it went on for pages and pages, one minute he was insulting her for being a  mage and then he'd make her cry so he'd suddenly be all tender and sweet, then he'd turn on her again, whilst she'd get her own back, all whilst numerous sexual acts occurred between them. And this went on and on for pages and pages.

After a while I was like, **** this bullsh!t and stopped reading it. I got to the stage where I was like "oh for god sake either kill each other or find a way out of that ****ing room!" I was really angry LOL!

ya... ruining a character's persona is .... but ruining it in THAT way, bringing sexual acts into it is really borderline sick. Anything about abuse with sexual acts is, well there is something wrong with that individual. Especially when you take two characters who people already know and also know their personalities to where they know those characters would never do that.... it just is extremely horrific writing. I am sure in an academic list of what not to do when writing.... this would be highlighted lol  god, now I am all ragefest about this person.  I don't even know who the writer is but I want to verbally assault them.

Weeell, I can direct you to that particular fic, if you'd like to form your own opinion. If it's the one I think Lola's referring to, we actual differ in our opinions of how OOC it is. Don't get your blood pressure up just yet...

I think it was just in the way it sounds... the whole abuse + sexual nature of it doesn't bode well with me. I obviously can't form an opinion without reading it, but I don't think it would be a good idea. I mean I had to walk out of the room while watching the scene in 300 that has the queen getting .... verbally abused while being tormented .... I understand it was supposed to incite hate for that guy, but I can't watch stuff like that, it just boils my blood.

[Jean]

^Reminds me when I began watching Game of Thrones not too long ago.

Great series, great characters, except.. I couldn't keep watching after the first few episodes because watching Daenerys being molested and raped just made me feel ill.

The wikipedia description of her doesn't help either:
"Daenerys is at first afraid of her new husband but after learning the Dothraki language, and how to enjoy sex, she manages to get past their barriers. She begins to understand him and genuinely falls in love with him after learning Drogo is a smart leader and a kind man."

She is a really great character, though. But as I said, I only got through the first few episodes. It certainly does have a "just keep watching" feel to it, but I don't want to keep watching something that makes me feel blargh, even if I feel immensely fascinated by the story at the same time. 

Heck, I teared up at how much I feel like I relate to Arya Stark.

Modifié par Batteries, 08 mars 2013 - 02:45 .

[R2s Muse]

Oh agree, everyone has their triggers, and non-con or dubious con is a big one for many people, which is why it's generally tagged. I've had reservations about Game of Thrones myself for just that reason; the Danaerys storyline sounds hard for me to watch. But, also to be clear, the story Lola's referring to, the sex is consensual... if misguided or far fetched. So just trying to defend violence against that author, not suggest that folks should read stuff they don't like.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 08 mars 2013 - 02:51 .

[Demarco09]

Batteries wrote...

^Reminds me when I began watching Game of Thrones not too long ago.

Great series, great characters, except.. I couldn't keep watching after the first few episodes because watching Daenerys being molested and raped just made me feel ill.

The wikipedia description of her doesn't help either:
"Daenerys is at first afraid of her new husband but after learning the Dothraki language, and how to enjoy sex, she manages to get past their barriers. She begins to understand him and genuinely falls in love with him after learning Drogo is a smart leader and a kind man."

She is a really great character, though. But as I said, I only got through the first few episodes. It certainly does have a "just keep watching" feel to it, but I don't want to keep watching something that makes me feel blargh, even if I feel immensely fascinated by the story at the same time. 

Heck, I teared up at how much I feel like I relate to Arya Stark.

Actually if you read the book, her encounter with her husband isn't as brutal as depicted in the movie. It was tolerable, he was actually not as barbaric as the movie made it seem. He had a soft side.  Although I don't like her being sold and stuff, her story is really sad and moving. I feel bad for her. That series has made me so angry watching, but after reading the books I understand some of it better. The prince is a little s***. But ya, read the books, soooo much better plus you get great backgrounds on the characters.

[Demarco09]

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh agree, everyone has their triggers, and non-con or dubious con is a big one for many people, which is why it's generally tagged. I've had reservations about Game of Thrones myself for just that reason; the Danaerys storyline sounds hard for me to watch. But, also to be clear, the story Lola's referring to, the sex is consensual... if misguided or far fetched. So just trying to defend violence against that author, not suggest that folks should read stuff they don't like.

lol muse I am not going to go verbally bash the author, I was joking. I am so not confrontational.

[R2s Muse]

Demarco09 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh agree, everyone has their triggers, and non-con or dubious con is a big one for many people, which is why it's generally tagged. I've had reservations about Game of Thrones myself for just that reason; the Danaerys storyline sounds hard for me to watch. But, also to be clear, the story Lola's referring to, the sex is consensual... if misguided or far fetched. So just trying to defend violence against that author, not suggest that folks should read stuff they don't like.

lol muse I am not going to go verbally bash the author, I was joking. I am so not confrontational.

LOL Oh, I know! I didn't expect you to reach through the screen and throttle her. LOL  It's just a little too easy to start prescribing ill intent to authors who write stuff we don't particularly like or agree with sometimes. Especially in fandom.

[Demarco09]

R2s Muse wrote...

Demarco09 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh agree, everyone has their triggers, and non-con or dubious con is a big one for many people, which is why it's generally tagged. I've had reservations about Game of Thrones myself for just that reason; the Danaerys storyline sounds hard for me to watch. But, also to be clear, the story Lola's referring to, the sex is consensual... if misguided or far fetched. So just trying to defend violence against that author, not suggest that folks should read stuff they don't like.

lol muse I am not going to go verbally bash the author, I was joking. I am so not confrontational.

LOL Oh, I know! I didn't expect you to reach through the screen and throttle her. LOL  It's just a little too easy to start prescribing ill intent to authors who write stuff we don't particularly like or agree with sometimes. Especially in fandom.

Usually just take my words with a grain of salt. I am a huge pansy... like uncontrollable pansy.

Even if I sound angry.... im not lol   plus the authors name wasn't mentioned I don't think so no harm done.

[R2s Muse]

Demarco09 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Demarco09 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh agree, everyone has their triggers, and non-con or dubious con is a big one for many people, which is why it's generally tagged. I've had reservations about Game of Thrones myself for just that reason; the Danaerys storyline sounds hard for me to watch. But, also to be clear, the story Lola's referring to, the sex is consensual... if misguided or far fetched. So just trying to defend violence against that author, not suggest that folks should read stuff they don't like.

lol muse I am not going to go verbally bash the author, I was joking. I am so not confrontational.

LOL Oh, I know! I didn't expect you to reach through the screen and throttle her. LOL  It's just a little too easy to start prescribing ill intent to authors who write stuff we don't particularly like or agree with sometimes. Especially in fandom.

Usually just take my words with a grain of salt. I am a huge pansy... like uncontrollable pansy.

Even if I sound angry.... im not lol   plus the authors name wasn't mentioned I don't think so no harm done.

LOL No harm, no foul! Here... have a Cullen. He's a fan of silly smut, too.

[meanieweenie]

^^ 100% meanie approved! lol

[LolaLei]

R2: The one where he has a giant red bow tied around his nob, he's chained to the bed and both he and Bethany are trapped in a room naked with no doors or windows? That's the one I'm talking about!

I was like, "ah for god sake Bethany, stop ****ing around and just take the key off the end of it!" I dunno why they needed the key anyway, there wasn't even a bloody door in the room!

Modifié par LolaLei, 08 mars 2013 - 04:28 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2: The one where he has a giant red bow tied around his nob, he's chained to the bed and both he and Bethany are trapped in a room naked with no doors or windows? That's the one I'm talking about!

I was like, "ah for god sake Bethany, stop ****ing around and just take the key off the end of it!" I dunno why they needed the key anyway, there wasn't even a bloody door in the room!

Yeah, I figured that was the one. The set up was definitely far fetched! But, I actually liked how she didn't white wash how Cullen would respond to such indignities. Or what a milksop I think Bethany might be. LOL

(edit: I think the key was for the handcuffs... ahem)

Modifié par R2s Muse, 08 mars 2013 - 04:34 .

[LolaLei]

Oh, the writing wasn't bad, it was just his constant change of personality from being really over the top in the insult department to suddenly being tend and sweet... Constantly. Just the one change of heart would've been fine, but it just bugged me how it just went on and on chopping and changing.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Oh, the writing wasn't bad, it was just his constant change of personality from being really over the top in the insult department to suddenly being tend and sweet... Constantly. Just the one change of heart would've been fine, but it just bugged me how it just went on and on chopping and changing.

It's been a while since I read it, altho I don't remember thinking that myself. I think I just found it to be very "rivalmance-y". "I'm mad, I don't like you, I'm mad, I'm mean, Oh... OK, guess I like you, let's have sex." LOL I'm sure it's hard to do that back and forth well.

Anyhoo, I guess that's the beauty of fanfic!

[Jean]

o_O

[R2s Muse]

by Arylas/shaydh

Still just love this one. Need to finally get around to writing fanfic about how some templar recruits just sign up because of a certain "poster boy."

[R2s Muse]

Templars exist to protect by Galagraphia

[LolaLei]

[LolaLei]

[LolaLei]

I wonder what he's thinking about?

*Edit* I've just noticed that someone edited in a cigar! So I guess he's taking a smoke break! 

Modifié par LolaLei, 08 mars 2013 - 05:41 .

[LolaLei]

By Aimo:

[Demarco09]

LolaLei wrote...

Bravissimo, perfection at its best <3

[R2s Muse]

Champions & Heroes: Endearing by Ddriana (and collaborators)

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...



I wonder what he's thinking about?

*Edit* I've just noticed that someone edited in a cigar! So I guess he's taking a smoke break! 

LOL Yeah, I think that's one of galagraphia's.