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 You don't actually get to see Morrigan die because she falls into the mirror when you stab her. Also I am really hoping that story continues in DA3. Morrigan will tell you that Flemeth is the one to hunt. 

Morrigan: I thought I knew what Flemeth planned. I thought what she craved was immortality. And yet I was wrong. So very wrong. She is no blood mage, no abomination... She is not even truly human. The ritual was but a means to an end, a herald for what is to come. 

So god baby + not human Flemeth = ? (What will happen?) Theory: Flemeth is old god working to free the gods and change back the world. This is hinted in the comics. 

Also hoping we get answers to what and who Sandal is. Sandals Prophecy: "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see." 

I am thinking that "he" is Godbaby. Also hoping this means the Elfs get their magic and culture back. Also think that this could mean the old gods come back from their imprisonment? 
Well this is all nothing you haven't discussed before. 

Modifié par Scr0ll, 12 mars 2013 - 08:52 .

[Dirgegun]

Scr0ll wrote...

 You don't actually get to see Morrigan die because she falls into the mirror when you stab her. Also I am really hoping that story continues in DA3. Morrigan will tell you that Flemeth is the one to hunt. 

Morrigan: I thought I knew what Flemeth planned. I thought what she craved was immortality. And yet I was wrong. So very wrong. She is no blood mage, no abomination... She is not even truly human. The ritual was but a means to an end, a herald for what is to come. 

So god baby + not human Flemeth = ? (What will happen?) Theory: Flemeth is old god working to free the gods and change back the world. This is hinted in the comics. 

Also hoping we get answers to what and who Sandal is. Sandals Prophecy: "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see." 

I am thinking that "he" is Godbaby. Also hoping this means the Elfs get their magic and culture back. Also think that this could mean the old gods come back from their imprisonment? 
Well this is all nothing you haven't discussed before. 

The problem with that, though, is not everyone has Godbaby and... if Bioware chooses to handwave that, and simply say Morrigan got a Godbaby through OTHER means, just for that plot...

There will be rage. There will be more rage than Lelianna and Anders being alive despite being killed in their game. I actually don't mind the explinations for those two not being dead, as they work well enough, but Godbaby? That's a BIG one.

(It's also possible I don't mind because I never killed them, though. )

Modifié par Dirgegun, 12 mars 2013 - 12:11 .

[R2s Muse]

Dirgegun wrote...

Scr0ll wrote...

 You don't actually get to see Morrigan die because she falls into the mirror when you stab her. Also I am really hoping that story continues in DA3. Morrigan will tell you that Flemeth is the one to hunt. 

Morrigan: I thought I knew what Flemeth planned. I thought what she craved was immortality. And yet I was wrong. So very wrong. She is no blood mage, no abomination... She is not even truly human. The ritual was but a means to an end, a herald for what is to come. 

So god baby + not human Flemeth = ? (What will happen?) Theory: Flemeth is old god working to free the gods and change back the world. This is hinted in the comics. 

Also hoping we get answers to what and who Sandal is. Sandals Prophecy: "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see." 

I am thinking that "he" is Godbaby. Also hoping this means the Elfs get their magic and culture back. Also think that this could mean the old gods come back from their imprisonment? 
Well this is all nothing you haven't discussed before. 

The problem with that, though, is not everyone has Godbaby and... if Bioware chooses to handwave that, and simply say Morrigan got a Godbaby through OTHER means, just for that plot...

There will be rage. There will be more rage than Lelianna and Anders being alive despite being killed in their game. I actually don't mind the explinations for those two not being dead, as they work well enough, but Godbaby? That's a BIG one.

(It's also possible I don't mind because I never killed them, though. )

DG has already said explicitly that the problem with the OGB story is that not everyone did the ritual, so it wouldn't be 'required.' I think it's in the Thedas UK interview.

Now, that being said, indeed, Morrigan's comments about Flemeth in Witch Hunt were almost worth the price of admission. Almost! I am looking forward to learning about Flemeth's endgame with the dragons. The Old God storylines fascinate me.

[R2s Muse]

Dirgegun wrote...

Okay! I believe that Cullen, whether he is a companion, an LI, or an important NPC, will be the man on the fence. He's lived through the worst of both worlds, after all. He's lived through the worst of the mages, he's lived through the prejudices that were born from that, and then he's lived through the worst of the Templars and had his prejudices realigned because of that.... so how do you start to fix that? Especially with a war for either oppression or freedom being raged with what seems like no chance of compromise. (Thanks for that, Anders!)

I'm sure this has been discussed, but I have to ask... if Cullen is on the fence like I believe he might be and a tweet sort of hinted that he would be (How Cullen of you! Pick a side.), do you think there'll be any decisions where Cullen argues for NOT deciding anything/stepping in? And if so, what kind of circumstances?

SPECULATE START?

I'm sorry, I'm such an awkward turtle. XD

(And seriously. Thedas needs Hogwarts.)

Edit: for types. 

I know I'm chiming in late. I agree with what everyone has said about Cullen not being strictly pro-rebelled mages nor pro-rebelled templars (for lack of better descriptions). I don't see him taking a side in the battle between the two. But, I also don't see him being neutral. I think we saw in the DA2 that he developed some very specific ideas about "what being templar is about" and I think that, no matter what those two institutions decide to do post-Asunder, he would go his own way toward what he thinks is right. So, it might be a third side, but I think he'd be far from neutral. We've seen that he's willing to stand up for what he believes... finally! I don't see him suddenly losing that (unless we see some new serious crisis of faith that totally unbalances him again off screen).

[Dirgegun]

R2s Muse wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Scr0ll wrote...

 You don't actually get to see Morrigan die because she falls into the mirror when you stab her. Also I am really hoping that story continues in DA3. Morrigan will tell you that Flemeth is the one to hunt. 

Morrigan: I thought I knew what Flemeth planned. I thought what she craved was immortality. And yet I was wrong. So very wrong. She is no blood mage, no abomination... She is not even truly human. The ritual was but a means to an end, a herald for what is to come. 

So god baby + not human Flemeth = ? (What will happen?) Theory: Flemeth is old god working to free the gods and change back the world. This is hinted in the comics. 

Also hoping we get answers to what and who Sandal is. Sandals Prophecy: "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see." 

I am thinking that "he" is Godbaby. Also hoping this means the Elfs get their magic and culture back. Also think that this could mean the old gods come back from their imprisonment? 
Well this is all nothing you haven't discussed before. 

The problem with that, though, is not everyone has Godbaby and... if Bioware chooses to handwave that, and simply say Morrigan got a Godbaby through OTHER means, just for that plot...

There will be rage. There will be more rage than Lelianna and Anders being alive despite being killed in their game. I actually don't mind the explinations for those two not being dead, as they work well enough, but Godbaby? That's a BIG one.

(It's also possible I don't mind because I never killed them, though. )

DG has already said explicitly that the problem with the OGB story is that not everyone did the ritual, so it wouldn't be 'required.' I think it's in the Thedas UK interview.

Now, that being said, indeed, Morrigan's comments about Flemeth in Witch Hunt were almost worth the price of admission. Almost! I am looking forward to learning about Flemeth's endgame with the dragons. The Old God storylines fascinate me.

Flemeth is one of my favourite characters in the Dragon Age mythos, and I can't wait to learn more about her! Every little scrap of information  we get about her is interesting and just makes me like her more, and I loved her interaction with my snarky butt Hawke... 

[Dirgegun]

R2s Muse wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Okay! I believe that Cullen, whether he is a companion, an LI, or an important NPC, will be the man on the fence. He's lived through the worst of both worlds, after all. He's lived through the worst of the mages, he's lived through the prejudices that were born from that, and then he's lived through the worst of the Templars and had his prejudices realigned because of that.... so how do you start to fix that? Especially with a war for either oppression or freedom being raged with what seems like no chance of compromise. (Thanks for that, Anders!)

I'm sure this has been discussed, but I have to ask... if Cullen is on the fence like I believe he might be and a tweet sort of hinted that he would be (How Cullen of you! Pick a side.), do you think there'll be any decisions where Cullen argues for NOT deciding anything/stepping in? And if so, what kind of circumstances?

SPECULATE START?

I'm sorry, I'm such an awkward turtle. XD

(And seriously. Thedas needs Hogwarts.)

Edit: for types. 

I know I'm chiming in late. I agree with what everyone has said about Cullen not being strictly pro-rebelled mages nor pro-rebelled templars (for lack of better descriptions). I don't see him taking a side in the battle between the two. But, I also don't see him being neutral. I think we saw in the DA2 that he developed some very specific ideas about "what being templar is about" and I think that, no matter what those two institutions decide to do post-Asunder, he would go his own way toward what he thinks is right. So, it might be a third side, but I think he'd be far from neutral. We've seen that he's willing to stand up for what he believes... finally! I don't see him suddenly losing that (unless we see some new serious crisis of faith that totally unbalances him again off screen).

True, true! 

[R2s Muse]

deuce985 wrote...

I honestly don't think the Templars as an organization will exist in DA3. I believe they are tore down and that's partially why the Inquisition exists. The Inquisition will be made up of many people of former titles like Templar or even mages. Not every mage is going to think the rebellion is right. Hell, my mage actually picked against them lol. That's where Cullen comes into play. He feels the Inquisition is the right thing as a former Templar. So, he sits under that banner. This will include all of Thedas and the Inquisition will be full of diversity. It's formed to stop whatever new evil plagues Thedas.

This is similar to what I've been thinking. That the Inquisition would be a third faction altogether. I like the idea that it hearkens back to its roots, not in the "reign of terror" sort of way, but in being a group of people who stand up and say, enough is enough, the way DG has described the original Inquisition. I always picture it being a sort of militia, of the people, fighting back against the darkness and that they would come from all walks of life for this united purpose. I like the idea that it includes, for example, former templars and former Seekers and the like, as well as former city guards and farmers and even good mages. Something I've talked about before is that it might even be interesting to see if such an organization could stay true to its "good" purpose, and you, the protagonist, get to help steer it into the light or the dark. Like the original Inquisition, perhaps the new one will become corrupted without any sorts of checks and balances and run the risk of starting a new reign of terror.

I think the templars will still exist, however. They'll just no longer answer to the Chantry. I see that being a big moral dilemma for someone like Cullen. We know from the World of Thedas that not all templars follow. It'll be interesting to find out who gets to keep the title "templar" after the breakup.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 mars 2013 - 12:58 .

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Sorry, can't quote on phone. Regarding OGB, I really like that idea, so I am one who wouldn't mind if Morrigan managed to create a pregnancy with Riordan instead (getting the soul by other means even). But I understand that people don't want their save games overruled.

Though this was Morrigans main task and part of Flemeths plan so I am betting we will get something along these lines. It's just a question of how they solve it and execute this storyline.

Ok, this is OT. Sorry.

On topic. I have been thinking about the Templar abilities. I wonder how they will work in DA3. I hope they make a big deal about them and lyrium. I also hope they will have the courage to really make them special and evolved. Are all Templars warriors or do Templar rogues exist?

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

That the Inquisition would be a third faction altogether. I like the idea that it hearkens back to its roots, not in the "reign of terror" sort of way, but in being a group of people who stand up and say, enough is enough, the way DG has described the original Inquisition. I always picture it being a sort of militia, of the people, fighting back against the darkness and that they would come from all walks of life for this united purpose. I like the idea that it includes, for example, former templars and former Seekers and the like, as well as former city guards and farmers and even good mages.

I fear that this will be the case ... I know I haven't read Asunder, but I did read the summary, and I'm confused as to why we're supposed to see the mage faction as "bad." I mean they are rising up against being imprisoned for being born, so it's confusing to me why we would be forced to seek a "middle ground" instead of supporting these people, and sheesh, if you play a mage...! I can't even imagine why you would not want to support your own kind.

But I can't see how BW would make it so that you can join one side or the other; they would have to write two different paths, create two different games, and that would be crazy!

I just hope the Inquisition is explained really, really well so that it's more than just "the middle ground" because for me that's not good enough! 

[Dirgegun]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

That the Inquisition would be a third faction altogether. I like the idea that it hearkens back to its roots, not in the "reign of terror" sort of way, but in being a group of people who stand up and say, enough is enough, the way DG has described the original Inquisition. I always picture it being a sort of militia, of the people, fighting back against the darkness and that they would come from all walks of life for this united purpose. I like the idea that it includes, for example, former templars and former Seekers and the like, as well as former city guards and farmers and even good mages.

I fear that this will be the case ... I know I haven't read Asunder, but I did read the summary, and I'm confused as to why we're supposed to see the mage faction as "bad." I mean they are rising up against being imprisoned for being born, so it's confusing to me why we would be forced to seek a "middle ground" instead of supporting these people, and sheesh, if you play a mage...! I can't even imagine why you would not want to support your own kind.

But I can't see how BW would make it so that you can join one side or the other; they would have to write two different paths, create two different games, and that would be crazy!

I just hope the Inquisition is explained really, really well so that it's more than just "the middle ground" because for me that's not good enough! 

I think the problem with Mages is that they are dangerous -- or can be dangerous, I should say. We've seen the worse case scenarios for mages again, and again, so they definitely need some kind of school, training, and perhaps to be registered? I do think, however, that the system shouldn't be a prison and once a mage has gone through the harrowing they should be allowed to leave the tower/school/whatever system would work best and live their life. I mean isn't the harrowing all about proving they have the strength and will to refuse/resist demons?

...They should also be properly educated on what the harrowing is and what exactly demons/spirits are, because what Enchanter Irving was doing -- TRICKING apprentices into participating in blood magic rituals to see if they have an affinity with it, and choosing to make them tranqual based on that? And not giving them the information about the harrowing they should have so it's built into this horrorfying spectre within their minds? What. The. Hell? Is not cool. (I was seriously mad my Amell girl couldn't give Irving a talking to over that.)

(And I know we've seen the worst of the tamplers again and again too! That's a different argument, though, sort of?)

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motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

That the Inquisition would be a third faction altogether. I like the idea that it hearkens back to its roots, not in the "reign of terror" sort of way, but in being a group of people who stand up and say, enough is enough, the way DG has described the original Inquisition. I always picture it being a sort of militia, of the people, fighting back against the darkness and that they would come from all walks of life for this united purpose. I like the idea that it includes, for example, former templars and former Seekers and the like, as well as former city guards and farmers and even good mages.

I fear that this will be the case ... I know I haven't read Asunder, but I did read the summary, and I'm confused as to why we're supposed to see the mage faction as "bad." I mean they are rising up against being imprisoned for being born, so it's confusing to me why we would be forced to seek a "middle ground" instead of supporting these people, and sheesh, if you play a mage...! I can't even imagine why you would not want to support your own kind.

But I can't see how BW would make it so that you can join one side or the other; they would have to write two different paths, create two different games, and that would be crazy!

I just hope the Inquisition is explained really, really well so that it's more than just "the middle ground" because for me that's not good enough! 

And, even in Asunder, MMG, the mages are still pretty much the "good guys." As usual. I think an argument could be made that without the Circle system these mages could run amok, and their leader is a little bit of a loose canon, but they didn't show us what the mages did with their freedom. And, for all we know, they might have mostly been wiped out at Andoral's Reach.

I would love to see a story about what the newly freed mages would do. There's always a little bit of dissonance, I think, in how the DA lore explains the Circle. They always try to make it sound like the mages govern themselves and run "the Circle." But then, they're really governed by the templars and the Chantry.  So what do the mages do without any sort of checks and balances?

[CuriousArtemis]

Good points, guys, and it would really depend what these "runaway mages" intend to do. Obviously Tevinter is not the solution, but you know that whole country is corrupt considering its people own slaves!

But as far as having a school to send children born with magic, I don't see how anyone would object to that. (As many have said, Hogwarts is the answer! lol) Templars can still train to combat mages who use their magic for evil purposes, but mages themselves can train to fight and nullify those among them who make evil choices.

I find it ridiculous that we have an example of people who live freely with magic without the need to persecute one another: the Dalish. Remember when Hawke asked Merrill what happens if a Keeper succumbs to demons? "Then a clan must hunt and kill its own keeper." The end, end of story, problem solved lol

So back to the main point, if these mages who ran away in Asunder are hellbent on destroying the world and have no interest in forming a school, then I can see how a "middle ground" WOULD be necessary. But I hope our PC will have the option to be part of the Inquisition yet not support imprisoning people or treating people as less than human (I would consider forcing people to "register" as mages as less than human, I mean it does remind me of the 1930s-40s in Germany if you know what I mean...!)

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

They always try to make it sound like the mages govern themselves and run "the Circle." But then, they're really governed by the templars and the Chantry.  So what do the mages do without any sort of checks and balances?

Yeah, and that is the problem that I've had with mages so far. It wasn't made so apparent in DA:O because I never played a mage until recently, and even then you only spend a very small part of the game in the Circle (however, the fact that a Circle is in an stone fortress on an island protected by armed men and mages are not allowed to leave ... that did say a lot).

Then in DA2, either you or your sister is a mage, and when we are introduced to the idea of the Circle (if you  played DA2 first like me) it's quite evident that this is a PRISON, and that the mages are taken against their will (taken away in irons, as Huon's wife says), that they are children afraid and unable to visit their parents (Ella), and that they are being raped and abused (Alain)... I mean, my god, WHAT IS THE DECISION HERE?! How is this even a decision to not support t hese poor imprisoned abused people???

So DA3 will have to make a STRONG argument as to why the middle ground is the answer, and the only way that will make sense is if the runaway mages have just gone batsh!t insane lol

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

Good points, guys, and it would really depend what these "runaway mages" intend to do. Obviously Tevinter is not the solution, but you know that whole country is corrupt considering its people own slaves!

But as far as having a school to send children born with magic, I don't see how anyone would object to that. (As many have said, Hogwarts is the answer! lol) Templars can still train to combat mages who use their magic for evil purposes, but mages themselves can train to fight and nullify those among them who make evil choices.

I find it ridiculous that we have an example of people who live freely with magic without the need to persecute one another: the Dalish. Remember when Hawke asked Merrill what happens if a Keeper succumbs to demons? "Then a clan must hunt and kill its own keeper." The end, end of story, problem solved lol

So back to the main point, if these mages who ran away in Asunder are hellbent on destroying the world and have no interest in forming a school, then I can see how a "middle ground" WOULD be necessary. But I hope our PC will have the option to be part of the Inquisition yet not support imprisoning people or treating people as less than human (I would consider forcing people to "register" as mages as less than human, I mean it does remind me of the 1930s-40s in Germany if you know what I mean...!)

Well, if the survey leak is any indication, the PC may be responsible for whatever form the Inqusition takes, good, or bad. I think that would be a cool twist, that you get to decide.

I wasn't really calling it a middle ground, whatever "it" is. I was really talking about a third side, since we know the Inquisitor won't be Chantry aligned or templar aligned. It could potentially be mage aligned I suppose, or nobody aligned (my own preference). But, we also know that not all mages are fully pro-independence, either. If the middle ground is between "kill/imprison all the mages" and "let all the mages do whatever they want without any checks/balances," then having 'Hogwarts' and passing magical defense off to the civilian police force could be a middle option.

Realistically, I still expect the game not to focus on the mage-templar conflict, but something else bigger and badder. It could be that the Inquisition is the only group to focus on that while the mages and templars duke it out.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 mars 2013 - 03:07 .

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motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

They always try to make it sound like the mages govern themselves and run "the Circle." But then, they're really governed by the templars and the Chantry.  So what do the mages do without any sort of checks and balances?

Yeah, and that is the problem that I've had with mages so far. It wasn't made so apparent in DA:O because I never played a mage until recently, and even then you only spend a very small part of the game in the Circle (however, the fact that a Circle is in an stone fortress on an island protected by armed men and mages are not allowed to leave ... that did say a lot).

Then in DA2, either you or your sister is a mage, and when we are introduced to the idea of the Circle (if you  played DA2 first like me) it's quite evident that this is a PRISON, and that the mages are taken against their will (taken away in irons, as Huon's wife says), that they are children afraid and unable to visit their parents (Ella), and that they are being raped and abused (Alain)... I mean, my god, WHAT IS THE DECISION HERE?! How is this even a decision to not support t hese poor imprisoned abused people???

So DA3 will have to make a STRONG argument as to why the middle ground is the answer, and the only way that will make sense is if the runaway mages have just gone batsh!t insane lol

Yes, I continue to baffled by this. The codexes on the Circle are particularly insidious that way, talking about how important the Mage College and all the fraternities are... in their not really important, non-authoritative capacity, I suppose.

On the need for middle ground, always tough. DG has said that we just naturally take the underdog side with the mages... but I think the game itself still needs to show us better balance between the two extremes, as you say.

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

I wasn't really calling it a middle ground, whatever "it" is. I was really talking about a third side, since we know the Inquisitor won't be Chantry aligned or templar aligned. It could potentially be mage aligned I suppose, or nobody aligned (my own preference). 

Oh yeah, I wasn't like attacking your words or anything; in fact I wasn't aware that "middle ground" was originally your words, eep lol It just all speaks to my own confusion and frustration with the franchise in the way "the mage problem" is presented. 

So yes if they refuse the idea of a school and just go crazy, Cone-of-Cold-ing everyone in sight, then I will not support them lol

[Dirgegun]

True about the registration! I wasn't sure about suggesting it, but threw it out there as an option better than imprisionment. 

I think the Kirkwall Circle was supposed to be exceptionally evil in how it dealt with mages, but, at the same time, I was given some very bad vibes by the Ferelden circle as well. I was given the impression children are just taken from their parents and that's that in Ferelden as well -- or maybe that's just the impression I got from what was said about Connor? Isolde really didn't want her boy to be taken from her...

...I know finding Irving's journal changed my opinion of the character immensly, and made my Amell feel sick for once thinking the old bastard was fair. Trickery is not fair and it is not a 'precaution', it's tricking a student into participating in something they shouldn't be, and then punishing them for it and the trust they had in their instructors. Jerks. <_<

It admittedly surprised me that Leandra was allowed to visit Bethany on my non-mage Hawke playthroughs, but I think that was because of Leandra's noblewoman standing at the time and how Bethany was a 'very obediant mage'?

 

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[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I wasn't really calling it a middle ground, whatever "it" is. I was really talking about a third side, since we know the Inquisitor won't be Chantry aligned or templar aligned. It could potentially be mage aligned I suppose, or nobody aligned (my own preference). 

Oh yeah, I wasn't like attacking your words or anything; in fact I wasn't aware that "middle ground" was originally your words, eep lol It just all speaks to my own confusion and frustration with the franchise in the way "the mage problem" is presented. 

So yes if they refuse the idea of a school and just go crazy, Cone-of-Cold-ing everyone in sight, then I will not support them lol

LOL Oh no problem!  I just keep trying to come up with ideas for what/who the Inquisition could possibly be, based on the totally confusing hints we've been given. I mean, it must have *some* connection to the former organization of the same name... but you can't expect our PC to be "reign of terror"-y from the get go, nor apparently Chantry aligned, not a templar...  Ack!  What else is there, you know?

[R2s Muse]

Dirgegun wrote...

True about the registration! I wasn't sure about suggesting it, but threw it out there as an option better than imprisionment. 

I think the Kirkwall Circle was supposed to be exceptionally evil in how it dealt with mages, but, at the same time, I was given some very bad vibes by the Ferelden circle as well. I was given the impression children are just taken from their parents and that's that in Ferelden as well -- or maybe that's just the impression I got from what was said about Connor? Isolde really didn't want her boy to be taken from her...

...I know finding Irving's journal changed my opinion of the character immensly, and made my Amell feel sick for once thinking the old bastard was fair. Trickery is not fair and it is not a 'precaution', it's tricking a student into participating in something they shouldn't be, and then punishing them for it and the trust they had in their instructors. Jerks. <_<

It admittedly surprised me that Leandra was allowed to visit Bethany on my non-mage Hawk playthroughs, but I think that was because of Leandra's noblewoman standing at the time and how Bethany was a 'very obediant mage'?

UGH!  This phrase alone just turns my stomach and conjures up everything wrong with the Circle...

[Dirgegun]

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I wasn't really calling it a middle ground, whatever "it" is. I was really talking about a third side, since we know the Inquisitor won't be Chantry aligned or templar aligned. It could potentially be mage aligned I suppose, or nobody aligned (my own preference). 

Oh yeah, I wasn't like attacking your words or anything; in fact I wasn't aware that "middle ground" was originally your words, eep lol It just all speaks to my own confusion and frustration with the franchise in the way "the mage problem" is presented. 

So yes if they refuse the idea of a school and just go crazy, Cone-of-Cold-ing everyone in sight, then I will not support them lol

LOL Oh no problem!  I just keep trying to come up with ideas for what/who the Inquisition could possibly be, based on the totally confusing hints we've been given. I mean, it must have *some* connection to the former organization of the same name... but you can't expect our PC to be "reign of terror"-y from the get go, nor apparently Chantry aligned, not a templar...  Ack!  What else is there, you know?

Plot Twist: You are the villain.

Or V for Vendetta.

[Dirgegun]

R2s Muse wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

True about the registration! I wasn't sure about suggesting it, but threw it out there as an option better than imprisionment. 

I think the Kirkwall Circle was supposed to be exceptionally evil in how it dealt with mages, but, at the same time, I was given some very bad vibes by the Ferelden circle as well. I was given the impression children are just taken from their parents and that's that in Ferelden as well -- or maybe that's just the impression I got from what was said about Connor? Isolde really didn't want her boy to be taken from her...

...I know finding Irving's journal changed my opinion of the character immensly, and made my Amell feel sick for once thinking the old bastard was fair. Trickery is not fair and it is not a 'precaution', it's tricking a student into participating in something they shouldn't be, and then punishing them for it and the trust they had in their instructors. Jerks. <_<

It admittedly surprised me that Leandra was allowed to visit Bethany on my non-mage Hawk playthroughs, but I think that was because of Leandra's noblewoman standing at the time and how Bethany was a 'very obediant mage'?

UGH!  This phrase alone just turns my stomach and conjures up everything wrong with the Circle...

I cringed whenever I heard about Bethany being 'good' and 'obediant', especially after hearing what happened to Alain. 

[R2s Muse]

Dirgegun wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I wasn't really calling it a middle ground, whatever "it" is. I was really talking about a third side, since we know the Inquisitor won't be Chantry aligned or templar aligned. It could potentially be mage aligned I suppose, or nobody aligned (my own preference). 

Oh yeah, I wasn't like attacking your words or anything; in fact I wasn't aware that "middle ground" was originally your words, eep lol It just all speaks to my own confusion and frustration with the franchise in the way "the mage problem" is presented. 

So yes if they refuse the idea of a school and just go crazy, Cone-of-Cold-ing everyone in sight, then I will not support them lol

LOL Oh no problem!  I just keep trying to come up with ideas for what/who the Inquisition could possibly be, based on the totally confusing hints we've been given. I mean, it must have *some* connection to the former organization of the same name... but you can't expect our PC to be "reign of terror"-y from the get go, nor apparently Chantry aligned, not a templar...  Ack!  What else is there, you know?

Plot Twist: You are the villain.

Or V for Vendetta.

LOVE THIS! :alien:(that's sorta like a Guy Fawkes mask... )

[Dirgegun]

R2s Muse wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I wasn't really calling it a middle ground, whatever "it" is. I was really talking about a third side, since we know the Inquisitor won't be Chantry aligned or templar aligned. It could potentially be mage aligned I suppose, or nobody aligned (my own preference). 

Oh yeah, I wasn't like attacking your words or anything; in fact I wasn't aware that "middle ground" was originally your words, eep lol It just all speaks to my own confusion and frustration with the franchise in the way "the mage problem" is presented. 

So yes if they refuse the idea of a school and just go crazy, Cone-of-Cold-ing everyone in sight, then I will not support them lol

LOL Oh no problem!  I just keep trying to come up with ideas for what/who the Inquisition could possibly be, based on the totally confusing hints we've been given. I mean, it must have *some* connection to the former organization of the same name... but you can't expect our PC to be "reign of terror"-y from the get go, nor apparently Chantry aligned, not a templar...  Ack!  What else is there, you know?

Plot Twist: You are the villain.

Or V for Vendetta.

LOVE THIS! :alien:(that's sorta like a Guy Fawkes mask... )

If there's an Orlesian masquarade we'll even have somewhere to get our mask! And dance with the LI? 

[R2s Muse]

Dirgegun wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I wasn't really calling it a middle ground, whatever "it" is. I was really talking about a third side, since we know the Inquisitor won't be Chantry aligned or templar aligned. It could potentially be mage aligned I suppose, or nobody aligned (my own preference). 

Oh yeah, I wasn't like attacking your words or anything; in fact I wasn't aware that "middle ground" was originally your words, eep lol It just all speaks to my own confusion and frustration with the franchise in the way "the mage problem" is presented. 

So yes if they refuse the idea of a school and just go crazy, Cone-of-Cold-ing everyone in sight, then I will not support them lol

LOL Oh no problem!  I just keep trying to come up with ideas for what/who the Inquisition could possibly be, based on the totally confusing hints we've been given. I mean, it must have *some* connection to the former organization of the same name... but you can't expect our PC to be "reign of terror"-y from the get go, nor apparently Chantry aligned, not a templar...  Ack!  What else is there, you know?

Plot Twist: You are the villain.

Or V for Vendetta.

LOVE THIS! :alien:(that's sorta like a Guy Fawkes mask... )

If there's an Orlesian masquarade we'll even have somewhere to get our mask! And dance with the LI? 

Oh. Yeah. Orlesian masked ball?

[Dirgegun]

R2s Muse wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I wasn't really calling it a middle ground, whatever "it" is. I was really talking about a third side, since we know the Inquisitor won't be Chantry aligned or templar aligned. It could potentially be mage aligned I suppose, or nobody aligned (my own preference). 

Oh yeah, I wasn't like attacking your words or anything; in fact I wasn't aware that "middle ground" was originally your words, eep lol It just all speaks to my own confusion and frustration with the franchise in the way "the mage problem" is presented. 

So yes if they refuse the idea of a school and just go crazy, Cone-of-Cold-ing everyone in sight, then I will not support them lol

LOL Oh no problem!  I just keep trying to come up with ideas for what/who the Inquisition could possibly be, based on the totally confusing hints we've been given. I mean, it must have *some* connection to the former organization of the same name... but you can't expect our PC to be "reign of terror"-y from the get go, nor apparently Chantry aligned, not a templar...  Ack!  What else is there, you know?

Plot Twist: You are the villain.

Or V for Vendetta.

LOVE THIS! :alien:(that's sorta like a Guy Fawkes mask... )

If there's an Orlesian masquarade we'll even have somewhere to get our mask! And dance with the LI? 

Oh. Yeah. Orlesian masked ball?

This. So. Much. This. I would want to see it even if there was no fun with the LI, just because pretty masks and Orlesian ballrooms and... and there's so much that can be done with that backdrop! 

(I would really like some LI fun at a masked ball, though. Or getting to flirt with the token jerk 'bad guy/girl' without 'em realising. )

Modifié par Dirgegun, 12 mars 2013 - 03:52 .