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Speaking of which, did I imagine it or did David Gaider or one of the others mention that the art style of DA3 would be similar if not the same as DA2?

... I feel like I saw it somewhere, but it could have just been on here in one of the speculation threads?


This sounds familiar to me as well.

Also, wasn't Anders around 30ish at the beginning of DA2? That'd put him in his late 30's by the end of the game, yes? It's not like it'd be robbing the old folks home if Cullen is 'older'. (You young whipper snappers!)Image IPB


LOL that's true, it's wouldn't be like grab-a-granny or anything. I bet DG 'n' co will kick themselves about the 10 year time period they ran with in DA2, it presents all kinds of problems with the companion and NPC's ages. One thing I do worry about is that Cullen's years of lyrium use will have started to kick in, especially of its set like 5 or 10 years in the future.

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LOL that's true, it's wouldn't be like grab-a-granny or anything. I bet DG 'n' co will kick themselves about the 10 year time period they ran with in DA2, it presents all kinds of problems with the companion and NPC's ages. One thing I do worry about is that Cullen's years of lyrium use will have started to kick in, especially of its set like 5 or 10 years in the future.


Ha! Grab-a-Granny! They may kick themselves unless it was thier intention to move the timing along. There would be a few advantages to it. For instance, they can get a whole new crop of characters. It would also give the characters enough 'time' to pass where the blight wasn't still totally fresh in thier heads, therefore pulling focus elsewhere.

As for the lyrium issues, wasn't that crazy old templar in the bar well into his 60's? I think that leaves Cullen enough time for someone to write us a fic with a cure for Lyrium Delirium. Image IPB

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Lmao good thinking, I bet there is a cure as well. Hell, if they can find one to reverse the tranquil then they can probably cure lyrium addiction too! Plus Samson survived it... Kinda.

Omg, what if in DA3 Cullen suddenly discovered he was a mage and it had just been laying dormant inside him until something happened to "activate" it... It probably wouldn't happen but how fun would that be! The poor guy would have a heart attack!

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Oh hell, Cullen would probably turn himself in if he found out he was a mage! lol Then he would cry in a corner for the rest of his days.

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Oh hell, Cullen would probably turn himself in if he found out he was a mage! lol Then he would cry in a corner for the rest of his days.


Hehehe, I'm surprised there isn't a fanfic about this already! 

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Agree with the above. Unless DA3 is set decades in the future, Cullen will only be in his 30s - 40s. And that's all fine by me. Even if the new PC is a 20-something ingenue, I think it's fine. Anders was older than Hawke, and that didn't seem to be a problem for the fandom.

EDIT: I used to have a problem with this, in the sense that as of Act 3 he's like a level 25-ish character. So for DA3, they'd have to reset him somehow. But they also did that with Anders.


How old was Anders supposed to be in DA:O and DA2? They probably won't address his age, they never seem to in Dragon Age games anyway.

I don't know exactly. I don't think they give an age for anyone, except possibly Hawke since Leandra was pregnant with her when they left Kirkwall after all that Legacy stuff (so, what, 25?). But, I always got the impression that he was older than Amell/Warden, and so also likely older than Hawke. This was probably reinforced by all the fic I've read where he's the slightly "older man," so there may be little evidence for that. LOL 

But, last time I looked it up, I think in Awakenings Anders is level 30s by the end, but when you meet him Kirkwall he starts at like level 4-6-ish or something (of course, depending on how quickly you pick up that quest, etc.).

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Are levels supposed to be directly attributed to experience which would account for his rough age group?

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meanieweenie wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Speaking of which, did I imagine it or did David Gaider or one of the others mention that the art style of DA3 would be similar if not the same as DA2?

... I feel like I saw it somewhere, but it could have just been on here in one of the speculation threads?


This sounds familiar to me as well.

Also, wasn't Anders around 30ish at the beginning of DA2? That'd put him in his late 30's by the end of the game, yes? It's not like it'd be robbing the old folks home if Cullen is 'older'. (You young whipper snappers!)Image IPB


LOL! Young whipper snapper? I feel better about being 31 now. :D Like I said before, my husband is 18 years older than me. So Cullen can be older, I don't mind. Just not so old that him tossing baddies around is hard to believe. ^_^ If he sounds the same and acts the same, I don't mind a few gray hairs. I just worry that the one commenter was right and the devs do make DA3 far enough into the future that Cullen can't be useful and therefore not be in the game and thus not an LI. :crying:

As far as preference in age goes? I'm pickier about guys who are into their 50s and baby smooth faces creep me out.

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R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

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Agree with the above. Unless DA3 is set decades in the future, Cullen will only be in his 30s - 40s. And that's all fine by me. Even if the new PC is a 20-something ingenue, I think it's fine. Anders was older than Hawke, and that didn't seem to be a problem for the fandom.

EDIT: I used to have a problem with this, in the sense that as of Act 3 he's like a level 25-ish character. So for DA3, they'd have to reset him somehow. But they also did that with Anders.


How old was Anders supposed to be in DA:O and DA2? They probably won't address his age, they never seem to in Dragon Age games anyway.

I don't know exactly. I don't think they give an age for anyone, except possibly Hawke since Leandra was pregnant with her when they left Kirkwall after all that Legacy stuff (so, what, 25?). But, I always got the impression that he was older than Amell/Warden, and so also likely older than Hawke. This was probably reinforced by all the fic I've read where he's the slightly "older man," so there may be little evidence for that. LOL 

But, last time I looked it up, I think in Awakenings Anders is level 30s by the end, but when you meet him Kirkwall he starts at like level 4-6-ish or something (of course, depending on how quickly you pick up that quest, etc.).


Well the codex lists Revka having a child with magic as the first tragedy to strike the Amells. It says "the Amells simply had no luck after that" and then goes on to list the things the family had happen since Revka's child. Leandra running off was listed in that part, giving me the impression that the Amell mage came first. It's unclear if Leandra ran off before the Amell child had their magic manifest or not though the way it's written makes it sound like the mage came into his/her power first. However, if that's true - and most mages come into their power around the age of 12 - that would make Hawke possibly 13 years younger than Amell. If Amell was 18-19 ish when she was Harrowed, Hawke would have been a toddler. If Amell came into her power insanely early - say 5 - and was a little older for her Harrowing - say 21 - then Hawke would be 15-16. But that's too young if Bethany and Carver were 18 so a 12 year age gap between Hawke and Amell makes more sense... just not when it comes to the beginning of DA2. Really making Hawke & Co younger was the only answer and writing the codex to reflect maybe 15 years since Leandra ran off.

If I wash all of this away and choose to assume that Revka's mage child was born shortly before Leandra ran away, it becomes more possible to believe the stated timeline. If Leandra ran off 25 years ago and was pregnant with Hawke, then Hawke is roughly 24 and her siblings we know are 18 when they leave Lothering. If Amell was the age she seems in Origins, her age is more like Carver and Bethany's, making Hawke older - probably around Cullen's age. That also makes the codex entry about the Amells sound wrong. No matter how you look at it, something doesn't add up. More time should have passed between games and less time should have passed in DA2 with perhaps a little more in DAO.

It's rather headache inducing so I just choose to go with Cullen is a year older than his DAO self when he comes to Kirkwall and thus is about 10 years from that (early 30s). Right about now I wish there was a hair pulling smiley. <_<

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SamaraDraven wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree with the above. Unless DA3 is set decades in the future, Cullen will only be in his 30s - 40s. And that's all fine by me. Even if the new PC is a 20-something ingenue, I think it's fine. Anders was older than Hawke, and that didn't seem to be a problem for the fandom.

EDIT: I used to have a problem with this, in the sense that as of Act 3 he's like a level 25-ish character. So for DA3, they'd have to reset him somehow. But they also did that with Anders.


How old was Anders supposed to be in DA:O and DA2? They probably won't address his age, they never seem to in Dragon Age games anyway.

I don't know exactly. I don't think they give an age for anyone, except possibly Hawke since Leandra was pregnant with her when they left Kirkwall after all that Legacy stuff (so, what, 25?). But, I always got the impression that he was older than Amell/Warden, and so also likely older than Hawke. This was probably reinforced by all the fic I've read where he's the slightly "older man," so there may be little evidence for that. LOL 

But, last time I looked it up, I think in Awakenings Anders is level 30s by the end, but when you meet him Kirkwall he starts at like level 4-6-ish or something (of course, depending on how quickly you pick up that quest, etc.).


Well the codex lists Revka having a child with magic as the first tragedy to strike the Amells. It says "the Amells simply had no luck after that" and then goes on to list the things the family had happen since Revka's child. Leandra running off was listed in that part, giving me the impression that the Amell mage came first. It's unclear if Leandra ran off before the Amell child had their magic manifest or not though the way it's written makes it sound like the mage came into his/her power first. However, if that's true - and most mages come into their power around the age of 12 - that would make Hawke possibly 13 years younger than Amell. If Amell was 18-19 ish when she was Harrowed, Hawke would have been a toddler. If Amell came into her power insanely early - say 5 - and was a little older for her Harrowing - say 21 - then Hawke would be 15-16. But that's too young if Bethany and Carver were 18 so a 12 year age gap between Hawke and Amell makes more sense... just not when it comes to the beginning of DA2. Really making Hawke & Co younger was the only answer and writing the codex to reflect maybe 15 years since Leandra ran off.

If I wash all of this away and choose to assume that Revka's mage child was born shortly before Leandra ran away, it becomes more possible to believe the stated timeline. If Leandra ran off 25 years ago and was pregnant with Hawke, then Hawke is roughly 24 and her siblings we know are 18 when they leave Lothering. If Amell was the age she seems in Origins, her age is more like Carver and Bethany's, making Hawke older - probably around Cullen's age. That also makes the codex entry about the Amells sound wrong. No matter how you look at it, something doesn't add up. More time should have passed between games and less time should have passed in DA2 with perhaps a little more in DAO.

It's rather headache inducing so I just choose to go with Cullen is a year older than his DAO self when he comes to Kirkwall and thus is about 10 years from that (early 30s). Right about now I wish there was a hair pulling smiley. <_<

Hmm, good point about the Amell vs. Hawke ages. I had pretty much assumed Amell would have to be a bit older if Leandra talked about her as the beginning of the Amell probs (like you mentioned). With Hawke being 24-25 in 9:30 during the Blight, then Amell would be Harrowed at that age or older. Indeed, that seems a bit old for a "rite of passage" but who knows. Looking around on the internets, it seems there are no definitive answers for this. But, with Anders, I've seen suggested that since Anders recognizes some Circle mages but isn't necessarily bosom companions with them then he'd be older. Plus, he had run away from the Circle when Uldred did his thing, so presumably was Harrowed some time before that. That all said... there are some serious problems with the timing of Anders in any event!

Anyhoo, back to Cullen, I think his age is a less an issue for our own personal tastes here on the forum... since I'd wager any of us would romance him at almost any age, and we seem to span a range of ages ourselves (I, for example, turn 40 this year). But the question is more whether Bioware would pair an inevitably "young" new PC with someone older. This I have no idea. Given the shrines dedicated to Teagan, who arguably is supposed to be way older than the Warden despite his youthful in-game appearance, it may be less of an issue.

I tend to think that DA3 will focus on the mage-templar war and so will pick up 1-10 yrs after DA2, since I can't imagine the war lasting more than a decade or so. So, if Cullen is about the same age as Hawke, so early thirties in 9:40, then he wouldn't be older than 40s or so. Arguably younger than Teagan, for example, so probably not an issue.

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I have missed so much! Came down with food poisoning. That puts a halt to ALL activity. I'll just pick up on this page. Like most of you, I'd take Cullen at any age. I've played a few games where one of the LI's was older. Most notably NWN2. Casavir did have gray in his hair and his age was mentioned. And I was disappointed after flirting with Teagan that that was all you could do. At any rate, bring us Cullen!

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Are levels supposed to be directly attributed to experience which would account for his rough age group?

I think Anders is a clear example that this is not so, despite what one's initial intuition (like mine) would suggest. :)

And, re: the DA3 art design... you know, I believe you're right and I want to say it was from a BW panel question from the audience. So, maybe they said that at PAX East?? (but I don't easily see it in that transcript... so maybe NYCC panel?)

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I have missed so much! Came down with food poisoning. That puts a halt to ALL activity. I'll just pick up on this page. Like most of you, I'd take Cullen at any age. I've played a few games where one of the LI's was older. Most notably NWN2. Casavir did have gray in his hair and his age was mentioned. And I was disappointed after flirting with Teagan that that was all you could do. At any rate, bring us Cullen!

Ah, ladyshamen, hope you're feeling better! Gah, I assume the food  poisoning was the reason for the ER? Boy, you've had a hard week or so. :crying:

Cullen says, "Maker watch over you." ;)

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Thanks R2! Starting to feel like my old self now:)
A question for all you Cullenites, Have you ever noticed Cullen doing the following? ( Ignore my Mages arm )

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He sticks his sword in the ground, puts his hand behind his back, and ? makes a ball of energy? He then throws it at a demon. After the countless times I've played, I'm just now seeing this. Maybe I'm just slow on the uptake! Any thoughts?

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Clearly this is Andraste's Grenade of Smiting.

Glad you're feeling better. Food poisoning is AWEFUL! :(

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Ooooo, no I've never seen him do that! What fight is that happening with?

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Something that concerns me about our introduction to Cullen in DA2 is where that Templar who turns into a demon says "you've struck me for the last time you pathetic human" - I dunno if that's meant to throw us off at first into thinking that Cullen's a bad guy like his DA:O epilogues or if he's been hitting the Templars for not training correctly, or if he'd been kicking the **** out of that particular Templar for a little while before Hawke 'n' co showed up.

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Thanks meanie! Would that be like the " Holy Hand Grenade" from Monty Python? "And the count shall be 3..."
Lola, It's the fight with Wilmod. I'm thinking that Wilmod is saying that because Cullen just kneed the fadoodle out of him. I just don't see Cullen being cruel. Yes, he did pull his sword and knee this guy, but he had a strong feeling that something was NOT RIGHT. He didn't do it needlessly. IMO.

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Lmao "holy hand grenade" - I really hope that's what they call it in DA3, you can never have enough Python jokes!

I loved how that first encounter with Cullen you presume that's he's gonna be a bad guy until after the fight. My reaction was "oooo evil hot Templar... Omg it's Cullen! Nooo don't be horrible... Oh phew, he's one of the good guys still... D'awww he stuttered about the brothel."

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Thanks meanie! Would that be like the " Holy Hand Grenade" from Monty Python? "And the count shall be 3..."
Lola, It's the fight with Wilmod. I'm thinking that Wilmod is saying that because Cullen just kneed the fadoodle out of him. I just don't see Cullen being cruel. Yes, he did pull his sword and knee this guy, but he had a strong feeling that something was NOT RIGHT. He didn't do it needlessly. IMO.


The Holy Hand Grenade is EXACTLY what I was thinking of but I didn't know if it was an obscure reference that no one else would get! lol (You know, since R2 and I will be the only ones fighting over pudding in the geriatric wing of the Blooming Rose. The beds won't be the only things creeking! Hahaha!Image IPB)

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LOL! The Monty Python guys are like great British treasures in the UK.

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So true. I wasn't thinking about that ... just that I'm old. lol Ya know, I met Eirc Idle once. He came into the store I was working at and he was very sweet. Same for Rowan Atkinson, except he stunned me coming around a corner so I wasn't prepared and I charmingly yelled "OMG Mr. Bean I love you!". He made one of his Bean smiles for me and kept walking.

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Lmao my sister met Rowan Atkinson when he was filming the Mr Bean movie in Paris, he approached them cos they were English like him, except he had to stay in his Mr Bean voice because he said it's difficult to do the voice again if he comes out of character so she and her friends were literally talking to Mr Bean LOL!

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meanieweenie wrote...

ladyshamen wrote...

Thanks meanie! Would that be like the " Holy Hand Grenade" from Monty Python? "And the count shall be 3..."
Lola, It's the fight with Wilmod. I'm thinking that Wilmod is saying that because Cullen just kneed the fadoodle out of him. I just don't see Cullen being cruel. Yes, he did pull his sword and knee this guy, but he had a strong feeling that something was NOT RIGHT. He didn't do it needlessly. IMO.

The Holy Hand Grenade is EXACTLY what I was thinking of but I didn't know if it was an obscure reference that no one else would get! lol (You know, since R2 and I will be the only ones fighting over pudding in the geriatric wing of the Blooming Rose. The beds won't be the only things creeking! Hahaha!Image IPB)

LMAO meanie, that just conjures ... Images. Like duking it out with our walkers when the doddering old Knight Captain comes in... :kissing::o

Re: holy hand grenades, we had a similar discussion a few months back when I finally noticed the same thing, and I don't believe I ever heard a satisfactory explanation, except typical "boss" rallying behavior. 

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When I first ran across it... "WTF? Pick up your sword, Templar!" Prnt Screen...Prnt screen... LOL