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[rapscallioness]

R2s Muse wrote...

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Um, yes. I found that in DAO the companions told you more abt themselves. Over time. Not all at once. Their personal history. Which I luvd. Then they even asked you how you felt abt what they just told you abt themselves. Very cool.

(yeah, the bolded..that is not my best sentence structure there. I mean, it makes me cringe to even look at that sentence.)

Sten? Well, heck, in one PT I had to beat him down in the Urn place. Sheesh.

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
LOL! I told her I was gonna cut her too!  

heh, heh. I was just doin' what I had to do, you know. Persuasion was a lil low.

Now, Goldana. I really did wanna cut her tongue out. Or, at least give her a swift Back Hand .

After I was done talking to Alistair outside, I was like (in my head), "Why don't you run off w/Sten now over there to check out that DWARVEN ARMOUR!"

I did. I tried to go back in Goldana's, but the door was locked. Of course, later I could go...but no interaction possible.

I absolutely despised Goldana, Isolde and Arl Eamon for the way the treated Alistair. Yet through it all Alistair was still so sweet and wouldn't hear a bad word said against them. My Warden/I took great delight in being as rude as possible to them LOL. Bastards.

And now I have the urge to play DA:O again, but I wanna wait to get it on the PC before I play again so that I can mod the **** outta it.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
LOL! I told her I was gonna cut her too!  

heh, heh. I was just doin' what I had to do, you know. Persuasion was a lil low.

Now, Goldana. I really did wanna cut her tongue out. Or, at least give her a swift Back Hand .

After I was done talking to Alistair outside, I was like (in my head), "Why don't you run off w/Sten now over there to check out that DWARVEN ARMOUR!"

I did. I tried to go back in Goldana's, but the door was locked. Of course, later I could go...but no interaction possible.

I absolutely despised Goldana, Isolde and Arl Eamon for the way the treated Alistair. Yet through it all Alistair was still so sweet and wouldn't hear a bad word said against them. My Warden/I took great delight in being as rude as possible to them LOL. Bastards.

And now I have the urge to play DA:O again, but I wanna wait to get it on the PC before I play again so that I can mod the **** outta it.

This just reminded me that I still have my Alistair waiting for me to get back to camp so we can get the fun started. With new mods and all too. May have to disappear now..

[rapscallioness]

I know. This does make me wanna fire up sum DAO.

[LolaLei]

Y'know, I've just bloody realised why I like Cullen so much! Because he's gone from one horrible experience to another and has been treated terribly. I've got a hero complex, so I like the idea of "saving" someone and defending them.

... Which also explains why I want his backstory to be really tragic so that when/if we do get him as a companion/LI it'll be the first time in his life where he actually gets a lucky break.

[rapscallioness]

Quick question:

When you meet Alistair for the first time in Ostagar, on a replay, I noticed there's this.."boom" in the music. He makes this face and asks you, "Have we met before?" Or something like that.

Is that in all versions, or just if you replay? Like the game recognizes this isn't your first PT?

[rapscallioness]

Also, I wonder of we're gonna be able to "harden" Cullen. *snortgiggle..heh,heh*

But I mean, duty. Honor. He may take issue w/a few things I might have to do.

Altho, I don't want change him from his duty and honor. I didn't harden Alistair cuz I just liked him the way he was.

So, I doubt I'd actually try to harden Cullen. If we even have the option.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

Y'know, I've just bloody realised why I like Cullen so much! Because he's gone from one horrible experience to another and has been treated terribly. I've got a hero complex, so I like the idea of "saving" someone and defending them.

... Which also explains why I want his backstory to be really tragic so that when/if we do get him as a companion/LI it'll be the first time in his life where he actually gets a lucky break.

I adore the idea of protecting and saving people around me. Doing that for Cullen would be nice. I love the thought of him finally experiencing complete and utter happiness.

I hope our companions will be able to cast looks that only we catch during cutscenes. Such as, when Ser Thrask asks you to help the escaped mages of starkhaven in that cave in the Wounded Coast and when you agree, Anders shoots your Hawke a thankful look. That always made me squee.

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

Quick question:

When you meet Alistair for the first time in Ostagar, on a replay, I noticed there's this.."boom" in the music. He makes this face and asks you, "Have we met before?" Or something like that.

Is that in all versions, or just if you replay? Like the game recognizes this isn't your first PT?

I think it happens in all versions... or it has for me anyway lol. Makes me wonder if they did run into each other at some point... although I don't see how that would be possible for all Wardens lol.

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

Also, I wonder of we're gonna be able to "harden" Cullen. *snortgiggle..heh,heh*

But I mean, duty. Honor. He may take issue w/a few things I might have to do.

Altho, I don't want change him from his duty and honor. I didn't harden Alistair cuz I just liked him the way he was.

So, I doubt I'd actually try to harden Cullen. If we even have the option.

I'd say, if anything, we'll need to soften him (hur hur). I mean, the poor guy has been through utter hell and probably doesn't know who he can trust or believe in anymore, so he's probably got a bunch of issues with intimacy (be it letting someone close to him as a friend or lover). Chances are we're gonna need to break down his defenses and teach him how to be the man behind the Templar... since that's all he's ever really been. 

Gosh, I want that man something rotten! 

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Y'know, I've just bloody realised why I like Cullen so much! Because he's gone from one horrible experience to another and has been treated terribly. I've got a hero complex, so I like the idea of "saving" someone and defending them.

... Which also explains why I want his backstory to be really tragic so that when/if we do get him as a companion/LI it'll be the first time in his life where he actually gets a lucky break.

I adore the idea of protecting and saving people around me. Doing that for Cullen would be nice. I love the thought of him finally experiencing complete and utter happiness.

I hope our companions will be able to cast looks that only we catch during cutscenes. Such as, when Ser Thrask asks you to help the escaped mages of starkhaven in that cave in the Wounded Coast and when you agree, Anders shoots your Hawke a thankful look. That always made me squee.

Lol, even if he just experiences temporary happiness then that'll be something! Poor sod. 

I never caught any of those looks, but it would certainly be cool to have the companions have expressions on their faces during certain scenes etc. Like when dealing with slavers in DA:O and DA2, none of the "anti-slaver" companions had a look of disgust on their face, except for when they spoke.

Also, I agree. Having them give little looks at the protagonist for various reasons would be awesome. I'll never forget that look Kaidan gave my Shep in ME3 when you have to send him back to the Normandy as she continued the beam run alone. ****ing heartbreaking.

Modifié par LolaLei, 25 mars 2013 - 01:49 .

[rapscallioness]

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Quick question:

When you meet Alistair for the first time in Ostagar, on a replay, I noticed there's this.."boom" in the music. He makes this face and asks you, "Have we met before?" Or something like that.

Is that in all versions, or just if you replay? Like the game recognizes this isn't your first PT?

I think it happens in all versions... or it has for me anyway lol. Makes me wonder if they did run into each other at some point... although I don't see how that would be possible for all Wardens lol.

Aww, shucks. I was hoping it was a lil easter egg replay thing.

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Quick question:

When you meet Alistair for the first time in Ostagar, on a replay, I noticed there's this.."boom" in the music. He makes this face and asks you, "Have we met before?" Or something like that.

Is that in all versions, or just if you replay? Like the game recognizes this isn't your first PT?

I think it happens in all versions... or it has for me anyway lol. Makes me wonder if they did run into each other at some point... although I don't see how that would be possible for all Wardens lol.

Aww, shucks. I was hoping it was a lil easter egg replay thing.

That would've been awesome! LOL, they should get Cullen to say it in DA3 lmao!

[rapscallioness]

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Also, I wonder of we're gonna be able to "harden" Cullen. *snortgiggle..heh,heh*

But I mean, duty. Honor. He may take issue w/a few things I might have to do.

Altho, I don't want change him from his duty and honor. I didn't harden Alistair cuz I just liked him the way he was.

So, I doubt I'd actually try to harden Cullen. If we even have the option.

I'd say, if anything, we'll need to soften him (hur hur). I mean, the poor guy has been through utter hell and probably doesn't know who he can trust or believe in anymore, so he's probably got a bunch of issues with intimacy (be it letting someone close to him as a friend or lover). Chances are we're gonna need to break down his defenses and teach him how to be the man behind the Templar... since that's all he's ever really been. 

Gosh, I want that man something rotten! 

hmmm. Yesss. And didn't David say something awhile back abt that very thing? How Cullen has been disappointed and let down? First w/the circle thing. Then w/Meredith. yeh, there's gonna be a bit of emotional armour. He's gonna hate that he loves us.

delicious tension.

(I hope)

[rapscallioness]

yeah, that ME3 bit was heartbreaking. I must say. He knew.....

[rapscallioness]

LolaLei wrote...


That would've been awesome! LOL, they should get Cullen to say it in DA3 lmao!

perhaps it was more a foreshadowing of the bond that would be created thru their long journey together

[LolaLei]

So, since the devs have said that the protagonists background, class and specialisation will play a bigger part in how characters/companions/npcs react to him/her, I'm wondering if Cullen will actually allow himself to romance a mage (if he's a companion/LI).

See, I know that Cullen is no longer completely anti-mage like he was at the end of DA:O and early on in DA2, but that doesn't mean he can bring himself to trust one yet. Now, that could be part and parcel of a Cullen+Mage protagonist story/romance arc, but I could see DG 'n' co wanting to really make an impact with how companions respond to certain classes/specialisations/etc. In one of his Tumblr posts Gaider did say that he'd ideally like to have the companions refuse to date certain types of protagonist/certain types of behaviour etc, but I dunno how much money and resources that would use up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he wouldn't find himself falling for a mage, since it's clear that he's not heartless or immune to their charms (despite his Templar training and Chantry brainwashing techniques), but I'm not sure that he'd go "all the way" or allow himself to get into a relationship with one, despite how much he may come to love/lust/adore one. I mean, he wouldn't allow himself to succumb to the Warden's charms in DA:O and he was much more sympathetic and "pro-mage" back then. Plus, the writers like to make us cry and rage. Which is probably reason enough for them not to allow a mage romance with him to come into full bloom, lol.

Your thoughts?

[meanieweenie]

rapscallioness wrote...

LolaLei wrote...


That would've been awesome! LOL, they should get Cullen to say it in DA3 lmao!

perhaps it was more a foreshadowing of the bond that would be created thru their long journey together

You know what will really crack me up? If Cullen comes out with "Ya know, I get the feeling that people don't like me very much..."

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

yeah, that ME3 bit was heartbreaking. I must say. He knew.....

Well, Shep does survive in the destroy ending and the LI gets that "gut feeling" that she/he is still alive. Soooo, yuh, as far as I'm concerned they all get reunited and go on to be big god damn heros, restore EDI and the Geth, rebuild the universe and Shep 'n' her LI get to be together without getting torn apart every bloody week. 

Lalalalala not listening!  

[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

LolaLei wrote...


That would've been awesome! LOL, they should get Cullen to say it in DA3 lmao!

perhaps it was more a foreshadowing of the bond that would be created thru their long journey together

You know what will really crack me up? If Cullen comes out with "Ya know, I get the feeling that people don't like me very much..."

LOL! They've gotta throw that sort of thing in there. The BSN is ridiculous at the best of times, so they may as well role with it. Hm, I wonder if the Cullen fans will get a nod? I would literally scream the bloody place down if they did. 

[LolaLei]

Actually, now I think of it, Kaidan mentions something similar in ME3 LOL! Gawd, I love when they throw in RL nods and Easter eggs like that.

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

So, since the devs have said that the protagonists background, class and specialisation will play a bigger part in how characters/companions/npcs react to him/her, I'm wondering if Cullen will actually allow himself to romance a mage (if he's a companion/LI).

See, I know that Cullen is no longer completely anti-mage like he was at the end of DA:O and early on in DA2, but that doesn't mean he can bring himself to trust one yet. Now, that could be part and parcel of a Cullen+Mage protagonist story/romance arc, but I could see DG 'n' co wanting to really make an impact with how companions respond to certain classes/specialisations/etc. In one of his Tumblr posts Gaider did say that he'd ideally like to have the companions refuse to date certain types of protagonist/certain types of behaviour etc, but I dunno how much money and resources that would use up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he wouldn't find himself falling for a mage, since it's clear that he's not heartless or immune to their charms (despite his Templar training and Chantry brainwashing techniques), but I'm not sure that he'd go "all the way" or allow himself to get into a relationship with one, despite how much he may come to love/lust/adore one. I mean, he wouldn't allow himself to succumb to the Warden's charms in DA:O and he was much more sympathetic and "pro-mage" back then. Plus, the writers like to make us cry and rage. Which is probably reason enough for them not to allow a mage romance with him to come into full bloom, lol.

Your thoughts?

I wonder if it will depend on if you import a mage Hawke... how did he respond to you in DA2? Why do you (the PC) think he backed you against Meredith? And regardless of your class in DA2, did he back you because he was standing up against a nut job or because the ideals were good?

It's going to take some mighty fancy writing skills to be able to cover all angles with his romance arc (if there is one). I think, for him, it will all boil down to "are you a good person" rather than "what class are you rolling".

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

So, since the devs have said that the protagonists background, class and specialisation will play a bigger part in how characters/companions/npcs react to him/her, I'm wondering if Cullen will actually allow himself to romance a mage (if he's a companion/LI).

See, I know that Cullen is no longer completely anti-mage like he was at the end of DA:O and early on in DA2, but that doesn't mean he can bring himself to trust one yet. Now, that could be part and parcel of a Cullen+Mage protagonist story/romance arc, but I could see DG 'n' co wanting to really make an impact with how companions respond to certain classes/specialisations/etc. In one of his Tumblr posts Gaider did say that he'd ideally like to have the companions refuse to date certain types of protagonist/certain types of behaviour etc, but I dunno how much money and resources that would use up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he wouldn't find himself falling for a mage, since it's clear that he's not heartless or immune to their charms (despite his Templar training and Chantry brainwashing techniques), but I'm not sure that he'd go "all the way" or allow himself to get into a relationship with one, despite how much he may come to love/lust/adore one. I mean, he wouldn't allow himself to succumb to the Warden's charms in DA:O and he was much more sympathetic and "pro-mage" back then. Plus, the writers like to make us cry and rage. Which is probably reason enough for them not to allow a mage romance with him to come into full bloom, lol.

Your thoughts?

Hmm well that is kind of the approach I took when writing my "dark and stormy" fic. I couldn't wrap my head around how Cullen would allow himself to begin a relationship with a mage, especially one that was under his keeping. (Alain is a special case, ofc, considering he is also a rape victim, but I see Cullen struggling to resist his feelings and inclinations even towards a "happy" Circle mage like Bethany).

Which brings me to wonder if Cullen would react differently to an apostate. I think if he is forced into a situation wherein he himself is something of a rebel (i.e. breaking away from the Order), then he might find himself not so opposed to the apostate situation. Not that his feelings about magic would change, but that he might be more susceptible to giving in to feelings for an apostate (inquisitor, Warden, etc... just not a Circle mage).

Well those are my thoughts ^^ 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 25 mars 2013 - 02:25 .

[CuriousArtemis]

meanieweenie wrote...

I wonder if it will depend on if you import a mage Hawke... how did he respond to you in DA2? Why do you (the PC) think he backed you against Meredith? And regardless of your class in DA2, did he back you because he was standing up against a nut job or because the ideals were good? 

I think he ultimately sides against Meredith because he believes what she is doing is wrong. I think it is troublesome that he doesn't do this until most of the innocent mages are murdered so that the only person he really stands up to protect is Hawke and his/her friends. Sadly I think this was more for dramatic effect than for the clarification of Cullen's character...

[R2s Muse]

Agree, MMG, that I would expect him to have an issue with a mage under his care, but with no more Circles, the "who's an apostate?" game is much more complicated. I do so hope they explore that in the next game! What would Cullen think of an apostate... when all mages are apostates...

I also agree that romancing Cullen (or any DA3 LI) would probably not include different subplots that depend on your class/specialization, outside of something simple like no Cullen x blood!mages. Seems it would take too many resources, so I could see a line or two acknowledging you're a mage or him having reservations about trusting a mage but I suppose I would expect that to dovetail with a larger character arc for him on trusting mages, independent of the romance.