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[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

I wonder if it will depend on if you import a mage Hawke... how did he respond to you in DA2? Why do you (the PC) think he backed you against Meredith? And regardless of your class in DA2, did he back you because he was standing up against a nut job or because the ideals were good? 

It's going to take some mighty fancy writing skills to be able to cover all angles with his romance arc (if there is one). I think, for him, it will all boil down to "are you a good person" rather than "what class are you rolling".

Yeah, it would certainly be easier to write it like that, and just have him freak out and leave If you're a blood mage or something.

I guess the easiest way to do it would be to have him be really apprehensive of pursuing the romance, give the protagonist and him a scene in which they discuss their situation. For example:

Cullen: "I... I can't do this. While I can't deny my feelings for you, there's no way this will ever work. Regardless of the current state of affairs, I am still a Templar and you a mage..."

*Insert emotionally driven dialogue about the situation, their feelings for each other, how special the protagonist is to Cullen etc*

Protagonist: "To the void with Mages and Templars! For once in your life stop torturing yourself and allow yourself this one indiscretion! Can you even remember the last time you put your needs first?!

Cullen: "Well... I... no. *Sighs* I've been in the Order for such a long time I've forgotten what it's like to just be..."

Protagonist: "To just be yourself. Show me the man behind the Templar"

Cullen: "This can only end badly..."

Protagonist: "The future is what it is, it is beyond our control. All I know is what I feel for you, right now..."

Cullen: *Mere inches from the protagonist's lips* "I cannot deny myself of you a moment longer"

*Cullen gives in at last, bow chika wow wow*


Y'know, something like that. But better and not so cheesy.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

LolaLei wrote...


That would've been awesome! LOL, they should get Cullen to say it in DA3 lmao!

perhaps it was more a foreshadowing of the bond that would be created thru their long journey together

You know what will really crack me up? If Cullen comes out with "Ya know, I get the feeling that people don't like me very much..."

LOL! They've gotta throw that sort of thing in there. The BSN is ridiculous at the best of times, so they may as well role with it. Hm, I wonder if the Cullen fans will get a nod? I would literally scream the bloody place down if they did. 

Oh man, I'm still hoping for a creepy hairbrushing references. Pleasepleaseplease. I would also love for for him to say something about folks not liking him.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 25 mars 2013 - 02:43 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree, MMG, that I would expect him to have an issue with a mage under his care, but with no more Circles, the "who's an apostate?" game is much more complicated. I do so hope they explore that in the next game! What would Cullen think of an apostate... when all mages are apostates...

I also agree that romancing Cullen (or any DA3 LI) would probably not include different subplots that depend on your class/specialization, outside of something simple like no Cullen x blood!mages. Seems it would take too many resources, so I could see a line or two acknowledging you're a mage or him having reservations about trusting a mage but I suppose I would expect that to dovetail with a larger character arc for him on trusting mages, independent of the romance.

I'm wondering if maybe he's just going to be too difficult to write in as a romanceable companion, especially with all our theories and head canons we've thrown in his direction. I can see how the devs would find it difficult/off putting to give him a companion/LI role.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Y'know, something like that. But better and not so cheesy.

What are you talking about, that wasn't at all cheesy  esp. the bow chikka bow wow part 

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

I wonder if it will depend on if you import a mage Hawke... how did he respond to you in DA2? Why do you (the PC) think he backed you against Meredith? And regardless of your class in DA2, did he back you because he was standing up against a nut job or because the ideals were good? 

I think he ultimately sides against Meredith because he believes what she is doing is wrong. I think it is troublesome that he doesn't do this until most of the innocent mages are murdered so that the only person he really stands up to protect is Hawke and his/her friends. Sadly I think this was more for dramatic effect than for the clarification of Cullen's character...

I think that's also down to how rushed DA2 was due to the time constraints, just like how they forgot to have Cullen acknowledge when mages were around etc. I guess it could all be turned into a personality flaw and angst though. 

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

I think that's also down to how rushed DA2 was due to the time constraints, just like how they forgot to have Cullen acknowledge when mages were around etc. I guess it could all be turned into a personality flaw and angst though. 

I just headcanon that he was busy doing something else, then he just jogs up to Meredith and co. at the end and is all, Big M, what you doin, girl?!?! *cue dramatic and noble Cullen moment with Hawke*

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

So, since the devs have said that the protagonists background, class and specialisation will play a bigger part in how characters/companions/npcs react to him/her, I'm wondering if Cullen will actually allow himself to romance a mage (if he's a companion/LI).

See, I know that Cullen is no longer completely anti-mage like he was at the end of DA:O and early on in DA2, but that doesn't mean he can bring himself to trust one yet. Now, that could be part and parcel of a Cullen+Mage protagonist story/romance arc, but I could see DG 'n' co wanting to really make an impact with how companions respond to certain classes/specialisations/etc. In one of his Tumblr posts Gaider did say that he'd ideally like to have the companions refuse to date certain types of protagonist/certain types of behaviour etc, but I dunno how much money and resources that would use up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he wouldn't find himself falling for a mage, since it's clear that he's not heartless or immune to their charms (despite his Templar training and Chantry brainwashing techniques), but I'm not sure that he'd go "all the way" or allow himself to get into a relationship with one, despite how much he may come to love/lust/adore one. I mean, he wouldn't allow himself to succumb to the Warden's charms in DA:O and he was much more sympathetic and "pro-mage" back then. Plus, the writers like to make us cry and rage. Which is probably reason enough for them not to allow a mage romance with him to come into full bloom, lol.

Your thoughts?

Hmm well that is kind of the approach I took when writing my "dark and stormy" fic. I couldn't wrap my head around how Cullen would allow himself to begin a relationship with a mage, especially one that was under his keeping. (Alain is a special case, ofc, considering he is also a rape victim, but I see Cullen struggling to resist his feelings and inclinations even towards a "happy" Circle mage like Bethany).

Which brings me to wonder if Cullen would react differently to an apostate. I think if he is forced into a situation wherein he himself is something of a rebel (i.e. breaking away from the Order), then he might find himself not so opposed to the apostate situation. Not that his feelings about magic would change, but that he might be more susceptible to giving in to feelings for an apostate (inquisitor, Warden, etc... just not a Circle mage).

Well those are my thoughts ^^ 

Maybe he'd be more inclined to romance a mage that proves his/her worth. I mean, we're bound to visit the Fade and be propositioned by Demons a couple of times throughout the game, so if he witnesses this and gets to see what a mage protagonist has to deal with first hand (and succeed) then that's proof enough that he/she is not gonna succumb to demons or blood magic etc.

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think that's also down to how rushed DA2 was due to the time constraints, just like how they forgot to have Cullen acknowledge when mages were around etc. I guess it could all be turned into a personality flaw and angst though. 

I just headcanon that he was busy doing something else, then he just jogs up to Meredith and co. at the end and is all, Big M, what you doin, girl?!?! *cue dramatic and noble Cullen moment with Hawke*

Cullen: "Gurrrl, you need to calm your ******!" :lol::lol:

[CuriousArtemis]

....Guys I think Sassy Gay Cullen was just born 

[rapscallioness]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Y'know, something like that. But better and not so cheesy.

What are you talking about, that wasn't at all cheesy  esp. the bow chikka bow wow part 

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

....Guys I think Sassy Gay Cullen was just born 

He's fierce! 

[rapscallioness]

lmao, you guys!

[rapscallioness]

Sounds to me like everything's gone to hell in a hand basket in DAI. So why not love the one ur with.

[LolaLei]

I'd kill to hear Greg Ellis do an impression of Sassy Gay Cullen!

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

Sounds to me like everything's gone to hell in a hand basket in DAI. So why not love the one ur with.

"Well if you can't beeee, with the one you looove... love the one you're with!" <3

[CuriousArtemis]

I honestly can't even hear his voice speaking like that LOL!

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

I honestly can't even hear his voice speaking like that LOL!

LOL, I can! I've heard his voice reel portfolio on his website! I've also heard him talking about ****ing demon chicks in the eye socket. 

[LolaLei]

I think I'd actually feel wrong romancing Cullen with anything but a mage. That's not because of the whole female Surana/Amell thing though. It's just after all the hell he's been through it would be "just his luck" that he'd go and fall completely head over heels in love (like, proper love. Beyond school boy infatuation) with a mage.

[LolaLei]

I still wonder if his comment about "the one thing I've always wanted, but could never have" was actually in reference to a relationship/sex/love (since at the time we were led to believe that Templars took a vow of Chasity in DA:O, that was later retconned) rather than Amell/Surana herself. Or alternatively, he was referring to a relationship in general because for some reason he'd sworn himself to never get involved romantically/physically with anyone (perhaps due to some sort of head mess).

Modifié par LolaLei, 25 mars 2013 - 03:17 .

[rapscallioness]

I think it was the Warden. Can't say for sure, but I think it was.

Also by that time my Warden was srsly flirt/like/love w/Alistair. So, the moment was quite bit awkward. Lol. Cuz Alistair was w/me.

Talking abt casting looks. Tht woulda been a nice moment to get "The Look" from Alistair. Or even a comment like, "Got a thing for Templars, do you?"

I guess that wasn't the time for such things. But, wow, Cullen just sat there confessing all his love and desire for the Warden (i think) not realizing---it really was her. Not a demon.

[littlenikki]

So uh, here I am scrolling through previous posts, trying like hell to figure out how "sassy gay Cullen" came about. I'm still super lost lol

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

I think I'd actually feel wrong romancing Cullen with anything but a mage. That's not because of the whole female Surana/Amell thing though. It's just after all the hell he's been through it would be "just his luck" that he'd go and fall completely head over heels in love (like, proper love. Beyond school boy infatuation) with a mage.

Depends on how it's handled. You would think I'd feel that way about Fenris, but I don't. A pro-mage but non-mage Hawke can still change Fenris' mind about mages (although this could have been fleshed out WAY MORE than it was in poor rushed DA2). A pro-mage/non-mage Inquisitor could do the same for Cullen.

[rapscallioness]

Alright, I'm getting tired. Tomorrow is Mon. ugh. I should prolly say,

Good Night!

[Dirgegun]

Hmm, hmm...

I think, after everything he's been through, Cullen will already be counted as a 'hardened' (hurrhurr) character? He isn't very similar to an un-hardened Alistair, anyway. And there's nothing to say that a 'hardened' character can't also have their sweet moments. Alistair is still a sweetie even when you harden him. Same with Leliana.

I... like to think that Cullen won't need 'saving', though. I don't mind if the protag will be the 'one thing' that goes right for him (similar to the Garrusmance), but I'm, personally, not into the saving thing so much? I guess I like my LI's to be able to stand on their own two feet, own their situations and themselves, and not need their potential romantic interest to play therapist or babysitter. To each their own, of couse, though!

(...Or... I guess it also depends on what counts as 'saving'. Some people might say the Garrusmance is sorta 'saving' him. Same with the Fenrismance. If that's the case, I wouldn't have too much problem with it.)

 As for the moment in the cage... I guess we won't really know unless Cullen talks about it if he's a companion and LI. 

[LolaLei]

Dirgegun wrote...

Hmm, hmm...

I think, after everything he's been through, Cullen will already be counted as a 'hardened' (hurrhurr) character? He isn't very similar to an un-hardened Alistair, anyway. And there's nothing to say that a 'hardened' character can't also have their sweet moments. Alistair is still a sweetie even when you harden him. Same with Leliana.

I... like to think that Cullen won't need 'saving', though. I don't mind if the protag will be the 'one thing' that goes right for him (similar to the Garrusmance), but I'm, personally, not into the saving thing so much? I guess I like my LI's to be able to stand on their own two feet, own their situations and themselves, and not need their potential romantic interest to play therapist or babysitter. To each their own, of couse, though!

(...Or... I guess it also depends on what counts as 'saving'. Some people might say the Garrusmance is sorta 'saving' him. Same with the Fenrismance. If that's the case, I wouldn't have too much problem with it.)

 As for the moment in the cage... I guess we won't really know unless Cullen talks about it if he's a companion and LI. 

I don't mean "saving" as in "love will cure all your head mess". Rather, that we kinda help bring something "good" to his life, rather than constant bollocks LOL!