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[LolaLei]

Did Greg Ellis also voice one of the rapey nobles in the city Elf origin? Or possibly one of the people collecting up the Elves to sell into slavery later in the game? I forget which, he's all over that game... and every other game I've ever played since!

[LolaLei]

Demarco09 wrote...

I have had to do that too. I play the same character over and over, making the "good" decisions and never really experience anything else. I have had to do playthroughs that were "evil"....and then they end up "moderate" and by the end of hte game I making "moral" choices again! LOL  I find that I do that all too often cause I have a hard time being mean!

When I'm having trouble playing an evil/horrible character, what I do is make the most ridiculous looking protagonist humaly possible, so that every choice he/she makes ends up absolutely hilarious! 

[Danny Boy 7]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Guys, I'm going to say something OT for a minute, because I started the most insane new Warden last night and I have to talk about what happened. LOL
I decided to do a Tabris (city elf) playthrough for the first time (I've played the origin just for kicks and thought it was amazing, but you know me -- I have a hard time relating to the elves for whatever reason). But knowing that you get the chance to run into Vaughan in Howe's dungeon later in the game made me restart after joyfully beheading him so I'd have the chance to gloat to his face about my exalted position later on.
Has anyone in here taken that route? There's only one way to do it. You have to accept a bribe from Vaughan of 40 gold to leave Shianni and the other women at the estate and walk away, knowing that they'll all be raped and possibly killed, and promise him that you and Soris will never show your faces in Denerim again. So I totally did it - because I want to see what happens later so bad - and now I feel awful and I've been thinking about it all night .

I've decided to RP it like I meant to hide the gold and come back to save the women until Duncan's conscription got in the way. But now when I return to the alienage both Soris and Shianni will probably hate me.
Also, I was wearing Soris' wedding clothes (because they're a fetching lime green) when I left the Kendall estate and the game took them away during my conscription cutscene, so I travelled all the way to Ostagar and met King Cailan wearing nothing but my mother's boots.

Great first impression lol.

Nah I couldn't take the bribe because EVERYONE hates you if you do that, including your father. Beyond that I just couldn't let Vaughan get away with rape, it's the same reason I started killing that templar you hear raped Alain. I...just really don't like rapists lol.

It's an added reason why I kill Keran (despite my utter belief in rehabilitation) I just dunno what he's done to those elven children.

Yeah, like I said (to myself over and over) the only way to make that decision make sense is if you planned to run back in and surprise all those bastards and then take your family as far away from Denerim as possible. But will the game see that as a possibility?

I think I'm going to roll with it though just because it will make for an interesting playthrough (even if it hurts my little brushyourteeth heart later). I'm training myself to be ok with making the *wrong* or *evil* game decisions I'd never make in real life because otherwise I end up playing the same Warden over and over again and it's losing its flavor. I mean, how sick are the writers that they even included that option? I applaud their courage and mental illness. I'd have completely missed out on that if I didn't reload!

What's this thing about Keran and elven children though, Danny? My DAII memory must be broken!

Also, high-five on being a man with zero tolerance for rape. Words can't express how impossbly horrible it is that people will actually do that to another human being.

/high five

Yeah, roll wit it sista! Lol. It'll make the return interesting that's for sure. You should live stream it (though you play on Xbox right?)

Keran = Keldar, my brain went on the fritz  and there are SO MANY K NAMES ARGH

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

He meant Kelder, the Magister's son who kills the pretty Elven kids. I let Fenris magical fist him right through the heart!

hurr hurr

[brushyourteeth]

LOL, Demarco -- I LOVE how hilariously angry you can be as a city elf! You're like Bruce Banner -- angry all the time. It's hilarious how you can sass Duncan for being in the alienage and suggest to Soris that the two of you kill him. Then he tells you how scary you are sometimes. LMAO.

Danny, you are so right -- this kind of playthrough would be amazing to livestream! I really do need to get it on pc, because mods. And it's so cheap now.

You know, it's weird how we have these idealized versions of what it means to be a hero. I think part of my problem with my non-canon playthroughs is me fighting against the idea of the Warden being perfect. Because why can't someone shag everything and sell some elves and get Connor killed and lie to Morrigan about killing Flemeth and keep all Wynne's booze to herself and still slay the Archdemon that threatens the world? I think I need to wrap my brain around the idea that very flawed people can still accomplish amazing things.

/deepthoughts

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LOL, Demarco -- I LOVE how hilariously angry you can be as a city elf! You're like Bruce Banner -- angry all the time. It's hilarious how you can sass Duncan for being in the alienage and suggest to Soris that the two of you kill him. Then he tells you how scary you are sometimes. LMAO.

Danny, you are so right -- this kind of playthrough would be amazing to livestream! I really do need to get it on pc, because mods. And it's so cheap now.

You know, it's weird how we have these idealized versions of what it means to be a hero. I think part of my problem with my non-canon playthroughs is me fighting against the idea of the Warden being perfect. Because why can't someone shag everything and sell some elves and get Connor killed and lie to Morrigan about killing Flemeth and keep all Wynne's booze to herself and still slay the Archdemon that threatens the world? I think I need to wrap my brain around the idea that very flawed people can still accomplish amazing things.

/deepthoughts

I think I find it more difficult to play an evil character in BioWare games, simply because the npcs and particularly the companions feel like real people, so it's almost like you're hurting your friends, especially after a couple of playthroughs when you know the characters personalities inside out.

[Danny Boy 7]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LOL, Demarco -- I LOVE how hilariously angry you can be as a city elf! You're like Bruce Banner -- angry all the time. It's hilarious how you can sass Duncan for being in the alienage and suggest to Soris that the two of you kill him. Then he tells you how scary you are sometimes. LMAO.

Danny, you are so right -- this kind of playthrough would be amazing to livestream! I really do need to get it on pc, because mods. And it's so cheap now.

You know, it's weird how we have these idealized versions of what it means to be a hero. I think part of my problem with my non-canon playthroughs is me fighting against the idea of the Warden being perfect. Because why can't someone shag everything and sell some elves and get Connor killed and lie to Morrigan about killing Flemeth and keep all Wynne's booze to herself and still slay the Archdemon that threatens the world? I think I need to wrap my brain around the idea that very flawed people can still accomplish amazing things.

/deepthoughts

I think perfect character get a bit boring, but so do the semi-flawed, because it's almost always the same flaws. You're to aggressive, a bit mysoginistic, overbearing, etc. But because of whatever you change your ways. Thats...kind of boring, not always, but sometimes it'd be nice to have a character that is idk able to do heroic things despite some evil thing well within their control. I kind of expect that's why so many people like the show/novels about Dexter.

Personally I'm writing about a character who keeps a slave because if I'm honest with myself he's born in that society. He's not terribly awful to her, but his position as her "master" will make a lot of generally innocent things bad.

[LolaLei]

So we've jumped 7 pages since last night! Although that isn't as many as it is when we have info, that's still really good considering we haven't had anything new to talk about since they officially announced DA3.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Did Greg Ellis also voice one of the rapey nobles in the city Elf origin? Or possibly one of the people collecting up the Elves to sell into slavery later in the game? I forget which, he's all over that game... and every other game I've ever played since!

Dunno. From the wiki. Doesn't look like it.


Cullen / Cesar / Ash Warrior Leader / Disciple Cathaire / Taoran Hawkwind / Patter Gritch
/ Adventurer Leader / Maleficar / Blood Mage / Skinny Frank / Denerim
Mercenary / Ostagar Soldier / Circle Tower Mage / Crow Assassin / Circle
Tower Apprentice / Crows Thug

[LolaLei]

Who the bloody hell is Skinny Frank?!

[LolaLei]

I've just realised, it's male Hawke's VO that does one of the human characters in the City Elf origins, lol.

Modifié par LolaLei, 08 avril 2013 - 11:00 .

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

You know, it's weird how we have these idealized versions of what it means to be a hero. I think part of my problem with my non-canon playthroughs is me fighting against the idea of the Warden being perfect. Because why can't someone shag everything and sell some elves and get Connor killed and lie to Morrigan about killing Flemeth and keep all Wynne's booze to herself and still slay the Archdemon that threatens the world? I think I need to wrap my brain around the idea that very flawed people can still accomplish amazing things.

/deepthoughts

I find this idea fascinating as well... although I still have a hard time role playing it myself. But one of my favorite scenes in a movie ever is from Pitch Black. Space ship crash lands and has to survive a hostile planet. The pilot, the 'reluctant hero,' has this awesome breakdown toward the end, where the 'bad' guy tries to convince her to leave everyone else behind and not be the hero... and she's very clearly torn for a moment. It was cool to see a normal person's reaction to an hypernormal situation and how hard it would really be to be as selfless and sacrificing as our heroes are often portrayed.

Anyway... sorry.

lt;dr: I agree!

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

I've just realised, it's male Hawke's VO that does one of the human characters in the City Elf origins, lol.

He does Vaughan yeah....we're a bunch of rapists!!! :crying::crying::crying::sick::sick:

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

You know, it's weird how we have these idealized versions of what it means to be a hero. I think part of my problem with my non-canon playthroughs is me fighting against the idea of the Warden being perfect. Because why can't someone shag everything and sell some elves and get Connor killed and lie to Morrigan about killing Flemeth and keep all Wynne's booze to herself and still slay the Archdemon that threatens the world? I think I need to wrap my brain around the idea that very flawed people can still accomplish amazing things.

/deepthoughts

I find this idea fascinating as well... although I still have a hard time role playing it myself. But one of my favorite scenes in a movie ever is from Pitch Black. Space ship crash lands and has to survive a hostile planet. The pilot, the 'reluctant hero,' has this awesome breakdown toward the end, where the 'bad' guy tries to convince her to leave everyone else behind and not be the hero... and she's very clearly torn for a moment. It was cool to see a normal person's reaction to an hypernormal situation and how hard it would really be to be as selfless and sacrificing as our heroes are often portrayed.

Anyway... sorry.

lt;dr: I agree!

Riddick is awesome R2, no need to apologize.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Who the bloody hell is Skinny Frank?!

Apparently one of the witnesses you eliminate in False Witness, one of the Denerim bartender quests.

[LolaLei]

See, that's why I like to role play my first ever playthrough of a BioWare game (particularly Dragon Age and Mass Effect) because I'll pick the choices and reactions I'd make if I was in that situation, even if it isn't always the smartest or best choice. Sometimes it serves as a bit of an eye opener into my own personality and behaviour.

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

See, that's why I like to role play my first ever playthrough of a BioWare game (particularly Dragon Age and Mass Effect) because I'll pick the choices and reactions I'd make if I was in that situation, even if it isn't always the smartest or best choice. Sometimes it serves as a bit of an eye opener into my own personality and behaviour.

I've learned I'm easily confused by tough decisions lol:P

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

You know, it's weird how we have these idealized versions of what it means to be a hero. I think part of my problem with my non-canon playthroughs is me fighting against the idea of the Warden being perfect. Because why can't someone shag everything and sell some elves and get Connor killed and lie to Morrigan about killing Flemeth and keep all Wynne's booze to herself and still slay the Archdemon that threatens the world? I think I need to wrap my brain around the idea that very flawed people can still accomplish amazing things.

/deepthoughts

I find this idea fascinating as well... although I still have a hard time role playing it myself. But one of my favorite scenes in a movie ever is from Pitch Black. Space ship crash lands and has to survive a hostile planet. The pilot, the 'reluctant hero,' has this awesome breakdown toward the end, where the 'bad' guy tries to convince her to leave everyone else behind and not be the hero... and she's very clearly torn for a moment. It was cool to see a normal person's reaction to an hypernormal situation and how hard it would really be to be as selfless and sacrificing as our heroes are often portrayed.

Anyway... sorry.

lt;dr: I agree!

Riddick is awesome R2, no need to apologize.

Agree! I just adore that movie (not so much the sequels, tho... ). But I've been thinking a lot about that particular scene recently; it really affected me. Radha Mitchell was also awesome.

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

See, that's why I like to role play my first ever playthrough of a BioWare game (particularly Dragon Age and Mass Effect) because I'll pick the choices and reactions I'd make if I was in that situation, even if it isn't always the smartest or best choice. Sometimes it serves as a bit of an eye opener into my own personality and behaviour.

I've learned I'm easily confused by tough decisions lol:P

LOL When I really play as me... I sit and sit and sit and think when I come to those tough decisions. Like, first playthrough of DA:O,  city elf meets Jowan in the dungeon... and I couldn't decide what to do! And, my companions gave me these totally baffling responses, I was so worried about the implications of letting him go... It took me forever before I finally just picked one.

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

You know, it's weird how we have these idealized versions of what it means to be a hero. I think part of my problem with my non-canon playthroughs is me fighting against the idea of the Warden being perfect. Because why can't someone shag everything and sell some elves and get Connor killed and lie to Morrigan about killing Flemeth and keep all Wynne's booze to herself and still slay the Archdemon that threatens the world? I think I need to wrap my brain around the idea that very flawed people can still accomplish amazing things.

/deepthoughts

I find this idea fascinating as well... although I still have a hard time role playing it myself. But one of my favorite scenes in a movie ever is from Pitch Black. Space ship crash lands and has to survive a hostile planet. The pilot, the 'reluctant hero,' has this awesome breakdown toward the end, where the 'bad' guy tries to convince her to leave everyone else behind and not be the hero... and she's very clearly torn for a moment. It was cool to see a normal person's reaction to an hypernormal situation and how hard it would really be to be as selfless and sacrificing as our heroes are often portrayed.

Anyway... sorry.

lt;dr: I agree!

Riddick is awesome R2, no need to apologize.

Agree! I just adore that movie (not so much the sequels, tho... ). But I've been thinking a lot about that particular scene recently; it really affected me. Radha Mitchell was also awesome.

Morrigan's VA was in there, love all the stuff she's in

[VampOrchid]

Randomness...I haven't played DA o or 2 in ever lol

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

See, that's why I like to role play my first ever playthrough of a BioWare game (particularly Dragon Age and Mass Effect) because I'll pick the choices and reactions I'd make if I was in that situation, even if it isn't always the smartest or best choice. Sometimes it serves as a bit of an eye opener into my own personality and behaviour.

I've learned I'm easily confused by tough decisions lol:P

LOL When I really play as me... I sit and sit and sit and think when I come to those tough decisions. Like, first playthrough of DA:O,  city elf meets Jowan in the dungeon... and I couldn't decide what to do! And, my companions gave me these totally baffling responses, I was so worried about the implications of letting him go... It took me forever before I finally just picked one.

Me to, I was so torn on whether to let him go or punish him. I don't tend to murder knife a lot of people though so I thought a good punishement would be to send him back to the Circle, he caused a lot of people to die and poisoned someone else, but he could be executed...sigh it was so hard.

[Danny Boy 7]

VampOrchid wrote...

Randomness...I haven't played DA o or 2 in ever lol

I haven't played Origins in the longest time. Been getting my fix by watching Nikki which I now realize sounds SUPER creepy....sorry bout that.

[LolaLei]

Perv!

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Perv!

At least I'm not soaping up my boobs and rubbing my windows with them!