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[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you guys think some DA2 companions will cameo? Then we can know what happened to them, a wee bit.

It would be fun to see a few, wouldn't it? Like Isabela showing up with a baby.

LOL everyone would think it was Alistair's after those comics! 

[Danny Boy 7]

meanieweenie wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you guys think some DA2 companions will cameo? Then we can know what happened to them, a wee bit.

It would be fun to see a few, wouldn't it? Like Isabela showing up with a baby.

Or Aveline with a baby...named Isabela

[CuriousArtemis]

meanieweenie wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you guys think some DA2 companions will cameo? Then we can know what happened to them, a wee bit.

It would be fun to see a few, wouldn't it? Like Isabela showing up with a baby.

Even better, Aveline and Donnic showing up with a little red-headed cutie, d'AWWWW!!!! 

[CuriousArtemis]

OMG know what would be cool? If when the PC asks Aveline the name of the baby, Aveline just smiles and says, well, I named him/her after an old friend... and when you mouse over the kid, its name is your Hawke's name.

[LolaLei]

D'awww!

[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you guys think some DA2 companions will cameo? Then we can know what happened to them, a wee bit.

It would be fun to see a few, wouldn't it? Like Isabela showing up with a baby.

Even better, Aveline and Donnic showing up with a little red-headed cutie, d'AWWWW!!!! 

Mwahahaha, one more joins the hive mind

[R2s Muse]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you guys think some DA2 companions will cameo? Then we can know what happened to them, a wee bit.

It would be fun to see a few, wouldn't it? Like Isabela showing up with a baby.

Hurr hurr, oh the snickering! That would be the greatest thing!
For some reason I imagine Fenris becoming a chef, its so weird...

Heh heh, love this idea!

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you guys think some DA2 companions will cameo? Then we can know what happened to them, a wee bit.

It would be fun to see a few, wouldn't it? Like Isabela showing up with a baby.

Hurr hurr, oh the snickering! That would be the greatest thing!
For some reason I imagine Fenris becoming a chef, its so weird...

Heh heh, love this idea!

I thought he'd join a troupe of wandering interpretive dancers.

[CuriousArtemis]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I thought he'd join a troupe of wandering interpretive dancers.

He does spend all that time dancing in his mansion...

[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I thought he'd join a troupe of wandering interpretive dancers.

He does spend all that time dancing in his mansion...

Exactly! ...seriously though, little red head named Isabela....you know you want it.

[CuriousArtemis]

I think that would be kind of weird lol They weren't exactly close.

[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

I think that would be kind of weird lol They weren't exactly close.

They were buddies by the end. Aveline even invited her to dinner. They made fun of each other a lot though.

[brushyourteeth]

You know, I was thinking about Cullen today (surprise, surprise) and i came to some conclusions about his character that you guys may have already reached and thoroughly analyzed, but I'm just now getting there so bear with me.

Based on Cullen's response to the abuse by mages in Ferelden and to the abuse of mages in Kirkwall, I think he's a guy that's repulsed by abuse and cruelty in general. Even before Cullen picks a side or chooses his allies, he's naturally averse to brutality. I think it makes his skin crawl. I also think he's pretty impulsive and will naturally side with whomever seems to be suffering most at the time, even if all he does is make the balance totter completely in the other direction, which only causes more problems. If he were to spend another few weeks being mind-raped by demons, he might hate mages again. As it is, I think he's leaning toward helping them. I think Cullen is 100% good to the core of his heart, but he takes personal offense to the atrocities committed by others and responds violently - both in the physical sense and in his changing opinions.

If Cullen were in my hands (hurr hurr) he'd either mature to the point of understanding that there is good and evil in everybody (I think he's getting there), or he'd end up being completely manipulated by the protagonist's opinions.

[littlenikki]

See, I really didn't get that impression from him at all.

He doesn't really react to any mentioned abuse of mages in Kirkwall (if you try to convince him of their mistreatment, he typically points out the dangers they pose) I haven't made it past Act I in a good long while though, so please don't quote me on that.

In Ferelden, he starts off by believing the Order is too harsh on mages, but because of the trauma of his imprisonment his tune changes rather drastically by the time he becomes a bit more involved in the main plot.

I believe that he wouldn't stand by as a witness to any type of abuse, be it mage or not, simply because I have my own biases about his character and of course I'd like to hope for the best in his morale. As far as seeing that play out in the games, he's not vocal enough about the issue to really give me any sort of strong impression on where he stands.

I agree on his impulsiveness, and I really hope if he is a companion that they give him more of a backbone when it comes to standing up for what he really believes is the right and wrong way to handle the mage/templar conflict, along with other events that will occur throughout the game.

[brushyourteeth]

littlenikki wrote...

See, I really didn't get that impression from him at all.

He doesn't really react to any mentioned abuse of mages in Kirkwall (if you try to convince him of their mistreatment, he typically points out the dangers they pose) I haven't made it past Act I in a good long while though, so please don't quote me on that.

In Ferelden, he starts off by believing the Order is too harsh on mages, but because of the trauma of his imprisonment his tune changes rather drastically by the time he becomes a bit more involved in the main plot.

I believe that he wouldn't stand by as a witness to any type of abuse, be it mage or not, simply because I have my own biases about his character and of course I'd like to hope for the best in his morale. As far as seeing that play out in the games, he's not vocal enough about the issue to really give me any sort of strong impression on where he stands.

I agree on his impulsiveness, and I really hope if he is a companion that they give him more of a backbone when it comes to standing up for what he really believes is the right and wrong way to handle the mage/templar conflict, along with other events that will occur throughout the game.

Yeah, I think we're really close to being on the same page -- except that I think Cullen has a knack for ignoring what's right in front of him if it's unpleasant until he can't possibly ignore it any longer. Then he makes a (rather impulsive, but not necessarily wrong) decision and changes allegiances to defend the helpless party.

I don't think we're biased in saying that Cullen is a "good" guy -- because all evidence points that way. Although "unstable," "not always super bright," "easily manipulated," and "room for maturity" are fair game in the conversation too. I imagine Elthina would have given him a lot of the same speeches she gave Sebastian if he'd ever talked to her about his doubts (and he probably wouldn't, since he wouldn't admit a lot of them to himself). But all it took was watching Meredith order everyone dead for him to ask her to step down and give everyone the ol' "this isn't right" schpeel.

I think watching the Ferelden mages get treated like they had a disease put lots of little drops of water into the "I side with mages" bucket, and watching all of his friends die while the mages turned into monsters instantly filled up his "I side with templars" bucket. Then watching Meredith's treatment of the mages began the drip-dropping of water back into the "I side with mages" bucket until the final deluge at the end. So Cullen seems kind of predictable to me that way.

If Cullen were a mage I think his story would still be very much wrapped up in this conflict and his conclusions would be very much the same. I also think that he and pre-Anders Justice would have had some pretty interesting conversations.

[CuriousArtemis]

I think it is simply in his nature to protect those who need him most. I mean his whole career as a templar is fashioned out of the belief that both the people and the mages need him. He does not think of himself as a jailor but as protector of the people. and maybe of the mages themselves (protecting them from themselves).

Yes, in Act 1, he has that line, "Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you are me." Then even in Act 2, even though he disagrees with Ser Alrik, he still thinks of mages as a terrible threat that must be contained. But Act 3, he is COMPLETELY against the Right of Annulment because that is needless slaughtering.

So I guess like you said, here, finally, the mages are the ones being abused the most, so he sides with them (in a way). But he's always strongly anti-mage...

[CuriousArtemis]

littlenikki wrote...

I agree on his impulsiveness, and I really hope if he is a companion that they give him more of a backbone when it comes to standing up for what he really believes is the right and wrong way to handle the mage/templar conflict, along with other events that will occur throughout the game.

I hate that he seemed to have no backbone in DA2 because it didn't feel like it was part of his character; it was just a device to let the player make all the decisions. I mean Cullen defers to Hawke constantly... in deciding Keran's fate, in deciding Alain's fate, and in the pro-templar ending, in deciding the three mages' fate. It's annoying!

[CuriousArtemis]

Did you guys know you can warn Cullen about Anders? But when he searches for him, he can't find him.

It's all Cullen's fault!!

[CuriousArtemis]

Wow ... never seen this before. Cullen x M!Hawke:

Not the best-looking M!Hawke =\\ Also, super annoying background music >.<

[brushyourteeth]

motomotogirl wrote...

I think it is simply in his nature to protect those who need him most. I mean his whole career as a templar is fashioned out of the belief that both the people and the mages need him. He does not think of himself as a jailor but as protector of the people. and maybe of the mages themselves (protecting them from themselves).

Yes, in Act 1, he has that line, "Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you are me." Then even in Act 2, even though he disagrees with Ser Alrik, he still thinks of mages as a terrible threat that must be contained. But Act 3, he is COMPLETELY against the Right of Annulment because that is needless slaughtering.

So I guess like you said, here, finally, the mages are the ones being abused the most, so he sides with them (in a way). But he's always strongly anti-mage...

YES! You've just said what I think I've been trying to say (thank you)!!

Cullen in DAII is pretty strongly anti-mage (in general -- but when it comes to individuals, like Bethany, or even Alain, he suddenly has a hard time treating them badly). But Cullen from the mage origin in DA:O seems honestly impressed and awed by the Warden's magical talent (and not just if you're a schmexy lady). I really think DAII Cullen was still in his "mages are the abusers. Mages are scum" phase.

Given his track record, I really wouldn't find it impossible for him to be working against the templars (at least the non-Justinia ones) after seeing what happened because of Meredith. You know, at least until he has his next traumatic event and changes his mind. Or strikes a balance, which would be oh-so amazing.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 09 avril 2013 - 04:14 .

[CuriousArtemis]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Given his track record, I really wouldn't find it impossible for him to be working against the templars (at least the non-Justinia ones) after seeing what happened because of Meredith. You know, at least until he has his next traumatic event and changes his mind.

The more I think about it, the more I start to believe he's going to be an absolute wreck in DA3 (in whatever capacity we are to meet and interact with him). First he was buddy-buddy witht he mages. Then he gets screwed over by them, so he's mortally afraid of them and even hates them. Then that fear and hatred is all turned on its head when Meredith reveals herself to be even more worthy of fear and hatred, and he's forced to sympathize with mages.

The guy's got to be a MESS at this point. And considering his age and level of maturity, that's going to just be sad! I wouldn't be surprised to find him in a bar somewhere, drinking away his troubles....

[Ilidan_DA]

From Dragon Age RPG Set 3:

Warrior & Rogue



Mage

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 09 avril 2013 - 06:32 .

[Danny Boy 7]

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

From Dragon Age RPG Set 3:

Warrior & Rogue



Mage

I really like how that mage looks, the armored leggings are awesome and the red cloak overall is pretty awesome. This reminds me of that one concept art from the leaked survey of the "mage" that almost no one talks about lol. You know the one, with the staff and sword. His head is shaved on the sides.

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think it is simply in his nature to protect those who need him most. I mean his whole career as a templar is fashioned out of the belief that both the people and the mages need him. He does not think of himself as a jailor but as protector of the people. and maybe of the mages themselves (protecting them from themselves).

Yes, in Act 1, he has that line, "Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you are me." Then even in Act 2, even though he disagrees with Ser Alrik, he still thinks of mages as a terrible threat that must be contained. But Act 3, he is COMPLETELY against the Right of Annulment because that is needless slaughtering.

So I guess like you said, here, finally, the mages are the ones being abused the most, so he sides with them (in a way). But he's always strongly anti-mage...

YES! You've just said what I think I've been trying to say (thank you)!!

Cullen in DAII is pretty strongly anti-mage (in general -- but when it comes to individuals, like Bethany, or even Alain, he suddenly has a hard time treating them badly). But Cullen from the mage origin in DA:O seems honestly impressed and awed by the Warden's magical talent (and not just if you're a schmexy lady). I really think DAII Cullen was still in his "mages are the abusers. Mages are scum" phase.

Given his track record, I really wouldn't find it impossible for him to be working against the templars (at least the non-Justinia ones) after seeing what happened because of Meredith. You know, at least until he has his next traumatic event and changes his mind. Or strikes a balance, which would be oh-so amazing.

I think you've hit it on the head, MMG, that his primary function is to protect. But... I think calling him anti-mage or anti-templar is a bit too black and white. Even early in DA2, I don't see him being anti-mage. I see him being anti-mage-freedom, which is a little different. Even the 'mages can't be treated like people' comment is about them being weapons that could harm inadvertently ('light a city on fire in a fit of pique') and so cannot be implicitly trusted... not that all mages are 'abusers' and deliberately out to hurt people. For example, early on in DA2 he expresses regret about the Starkhaven mages dying after the whole Ser Karras incident, showing he has compassion for them. I do think, in Act 1, he's personally wary of them as he's still recovering from Kinloch Hold and thinks that the templars can be easily fooled (as when he lauds Meredith, saying she "is never fooled by a sweet face. She always sees the demon behind it...").

So, I think he's clearly in the camp of thinking mages are a threat that has to be contained, but containing them is not necessarily consistent with killing them or abusing them, or even thinking they're universally 'bad.'

I'd also wager that he has this perspective throughout, not that he shifts to become pro-mage, or pro-mage-freedom, at the end of DA2. I don't think at the end he suddenly thinks the Circle system is no longer needed. He still strongly believes in the tenets of the Order, and Andraste's teachings. He just thinks Meredith has deviated from that path into abuse and murder. I think what really changed over the course of DA2 was his realization that there are abuses happening around him in Kirkwall, and he has to do something. That he has to take personal responsibility instead of being a cog in a corruptible system.

So at the end of DA2, I actually imagine him suddenly having a clarity of thought on the whole thing, that he can comfort himself in being true to the Order and Andraste. It's after the templars leave the Chantry to wipe out the mages in 9:40 that I imagine him having a crisis of faith. This purity of purpose of the Templar Order is suddenly co-opted by Lambert et al. So... now what?

(wow... now I really need that coffee... )

Modifié par R2s Muse, 09 avril 2013 - 11:48 .

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think it is simply in his nature to protect those who need him most. I mean his whole career as a templar is fashioned out of the belief that both the people and the mages need him. He does not think of himself as a jailor but as protector of the people. and maybe of the mages themselves (protecting them from themselves).

Yes, in Act 1, he has that line, "Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you are me." Then even in Act 2, even though he disagrees with Ser Alrik, he still thinks of mages as a terrible threat that must be contained. But Act 3, he is COMPLETELY against the Right of Annulment because that is needless slaughtering.

So I guess like you said, here, finally, the mages are the ones being abused the most, so he sides with them (in a way). But he's always strongly anti-mage...

YES! You've just said what I think I've been trying to say (thank you)!!

Cullen in DAII is pretty strongly anti-mage (in general -- but when it comes to individuals, like Bethany, or even Alain, he suddenly has a hard time treating them badly). But Cullen from the mage origin in DA:O seems honestly impressed and awed by the Warden's magical talent (and not just if you're a schmexy lady). I really think DAII Cullen was still in his "mages are the abusers. Mages are scum" phase.

Given his track record, I really wouldn't find it impossible for him to be working against the templars (at least the non-Justinia ones) after seeing what happened because of Meredith. You know, at least until he has his next traumatic event and changes his mind. Or strikes a balance, which would be oh-so amazing.

I think you've hit it on the head, MMG, that his primary function is to protect. But... I think calling him anti-mage or anti-templar is a bit too black and white. Even early in DA2, I don't see him being anti-mage. I see him being anti-mage-freedom, which is a little different. Even the 'mages can't be treated like people' comment is about them being weapons that could harm inadvertently ('light a city on fire in a fit of pique') and so cannot be implicitly trusted... not that all mages are 'abusers' and deliberately out to hurt people. For example, early on in DA2 he expresses regret about the Starkhaven mages dying after the whole Ser Karras incident, showing he has compassion for them. I do think, in Act 1, he's personally wary of them as he's still recovering from Kinloch Hold and thinks that the templars can be easily fooled (as when he lauds Meredith, saying she "is never fooled by a sweet face. She always sees the demon behind it...").

So, I think he's clearly in the camp of thinking mages are a threat that has to be contained, but containing them is not necessarily consistent with killing them or abusing them, or even thinking they're universally 'bad.'

I'd also wager that he has this perspective throughout, not that he shifts to become pro-mage, or pro-mage-freedom, at the end of DA2. I don't think at the end he suddenly thinks the Circle system is no longer needed. He still strongly believes in the tenets of the Order, and Andraste's teachings. He just thinks Meredith has deviated from that path into abuse and murder. I think what really changed over the course of DA2 was his realization that there are abuses happening around him in Kirkwall, and he has to do something. That he has to take personal responsibility instead of being a cog in a corruptible system.

So at the end of DA2, I actually imagine him suddenly having a clarity of thought on the whole thing, that he can comfort himself in being true to the Order and Andraste. It's after the templars leave the Chantry to wipe out the mages in 9:40 that I imagine him having a crisis of faith. This purity of purpose of the Templar Order is suddenly co-opted by Lambert et al. So... now what?

(wow... now I really need that coffee... )

I agree I don't necessarilly think his views have changed much regarding mages, at most he might be less inclined to believe in the infallibility of the Templars and that corruption can occur even within a Chantry organization. By DA3 I think he's tired or the organization of the Chantry, Circle, etc, but still believes in the tenets of his religion.

I still think he thinks that Templars are "righteous", but he might not consider Meredith or a lot of other templars as "true" templars as their warping the doctrine of the order to fit their personal desires/screw ups while not realising that he's doing he same.