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[LolaLei]

D'awww that's adorable!

[meanieweenie]

OMG, littlenikki! That cover is hilarious! Hahahaha! (Seriously, what would be the circumstances for a man to be naked in the wilderness with a spotlessly clean wispy woman in full makeup? lol ) I cannot wait for pg. 2000 now.

[R2s Muse]

So, I've read over that entry you mentioned, Lola, that talks about the Inquisition. Here's my take on it.

So, history says that there was an Inquisition that existed before the founding of the Circles, the templars and the Seekers, and that theirs was a reign of terror, stamping out blood mages and heretics. This group lowered its banner to work for the Chantry and became the Seekers of Truth, established the Circles and created the templars.

Now, Brother Genetivi thinks that, while history calls them the Inquisition, they called themselves the Seekers of Truth, and their job was to "restore order because no one else would do what was necessary" during a time of turmoil. Moreover, they were apparently fair and impartial in their judgment, protecting both mages and people alike. He claims that they are painted as an evil Inquisition by history because they crossed too many people in their "even application of justice," and history is written by the victors.

The lines that I think are most telling for DA3 are these: "their 'Inquisition' [gained] notoriety as being on no one's side other their own. ... Ultimately, the Inquisition was composed of independent idealists and not Chantry zealots, and that is the truth." (p 106)

Heh, so there you go! If Brother Genetivi is right about the old Inquisition, and the new one is based on that model, then the DA3 Inquisition could be just as good and -- importantly -- impartial, owing allegiance to no faction.

[LolaLei]

I'm sure there was a much smaller part where the person spoke as though he believed the Inquisition to be nothing more than the Seekers... Although I'd literally just woken up when I read it.

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

So, I've read over that entry you mentioned, Lola, that talks about the Inquisition. Here's my take on it.

So, history says that there was an Inquisition that existed before the founding of the Circles, the templars and the Seekers, and that theirs was a reign of terror, stamping out blood mages and heretics. This group lowered its banner to work for the Chantry and became the Seekers of Truth, established the Circles and created the templars.

Now, Brother Genetivi thinks that, while history calls them the Inquisition, they called themselves the Seekers of Truth, and their job was to "restore order because no one else would do what was necessary" during a time of turmoil. Moreover, they were apparently fair and impartial in their judgment, protecting both mages and people alike. He claims that they are painted as an evil Inquisition by history because they crossed too many people in their "even application of justice," and history is written by the victors.

The lines that I think are most telling for DA3 are these: "their 'Inquisition' [gained] notoriety as being on no one's side other their own. ... Ultimately, the Inquisition was composed of independent idealists and not Chantry zealots, and that is the truth." (p 106)

Heh, so there you go! If Brother Genetivi is right about the old Inquisition, and the new one is based on that model, then the DA3 Inquisition could be just as good and -- importantly -- impartial, owing allegiance to no faction.

This point of history being written by the victors strikes a really deep cord with me for some reason. So much history can be changed, re-written and hidden in the name of (insert favorite cause or religion). How much has been altered to "protect the people" or simply to serve one's own personal or political gains? I feel like DA:I is going to really make us question who the good guys are.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

I'm sure there was a much smaller part where the person spoke as though he believed the Inquisition to be nothing more than the Seekers... Although I'd literally just woken up when I read it.

Interesting. Can you find it again? The only thing I could find was that rather lengthy entry on p. 106, but it does say that the group was (already) called the Seekers of Truth.

Boy, a searchable PDF copy would be handy...

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

So, I've read over that entry you mentioned, Lola, that talks about the Inquisition. Here's my take on it.

So, history says that there was an Inquisition that existed before the founding of the Circles, the templars and the Seekers, and that theirs was a reign of terror, stamping out blood mages and heretics. This group lowered its banner to work for the Chantry and became the Seekers of Truth, established the Circles and created the templars.

Now, Brother Genetivi thinks that, while history calls them the Inquisition, they called themselves the Seekers of Truth, and their job was to "restore order because no one else would do what was necessary" during a time of turmoil. Moreover, they were apparently fair and impartial in their judgment, protecting both mages and people alike. He claims that they are painted as an evil Inquisition by history because they crossed too many people in their "even application of justice," and history is written by the victors.

The lines that I think are most telling for DA3 are these: "their 'Inquisition' [gained] notoriety as being on no one's side other their own. ... Ultimately, the Inquisition was composed of independent idealists and not Chantry zealots, and that is the truth." (p 106)

Heh, so there you go! If Brother Genetivi is right about the old Inquisition, and the new one is based on that model, then the DA3 Inquisition could be just as good and -- importantly -- impartial, owing allegiance to no faction.

This point of history being written by the victors strikes a really deep cord with me for some reason. So much history can be changed, re-written and hidden in the name of (insert favorite cause or religion). How much has been altered to "protect the people" or simply to serve one's own personal or political gains? I feel like DA:I is going to really make us question who the good guys are.

Agree!  And, this would make for a really interesting game.

[R2s Muse]

Another telling line about the Seekers of Truth: "The truth they sought, the question they tried to answer, was how to restore sanity in a world gone mad." (DA:TWoT, p. 106)

Sound like Thedas in 9:40, anyone?

Modifié par R2s Muse, 21 avril 2013 - 01:20 .

[Newschmoo]

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

So, I've read over that entry you mentioned, Lola, that talks about the Inquisition. Here's my take on it.

So, history says that there was an Inquisition that existed before the founding of the Circles, the templars and the Seekers, and that theirs was a reign of terror, stamping out blood mages and heretics. This group lowered its banner to work for the Chantry and became the Seekers of Truth, established the Circles and created the templars.

Now, Brother Genetivi thinks that, while history calls them the Inquisition, they called themselves the Seekers of Truth, and their job was to "restore order because no one else would do what was necessary" during a time of turmoil. Moreover, they were apparently fair and impartial in their judgment, protecting both mages and people alike. He claims that they are painted as an evil Inquisition by history because they crossed too many people in their "even application of justice," and history is written by the victors.

The lines that I think are most telling for DA3 are these: "their 'Inquisition' [gained] notoriety as being on no one's side other their own. ... Ultimately, the Inquisition was composed of independent idealists and not Chantry zealots, and that is the truth." (p 106)

Heh, so there you go! If Brother Genetivi is right about the old Inquisition, and the new one is based on that model, then the DA3 Inquisition could be just as good and -- importantly -- impartial, owing allegiance to no faction.

This point of history being written by the victors strikes a really deep cord with me for some reason. So much history can be changed, re-written and hidden in the name of (insert favorite cause or religion). How much has been altered to "protect the people" or simply to serve one's own personal or political gains? I feel like DA:I is going to really make us question who the good guys are.

Agree!  And, this would make for a really interesting game.

I agree too.  By implying the Inquisition are impartial means that your protagonist can go in any direction of your choosing, which should keep a lot of players happy.  I hope that there will be a new banner/sign for the Inquisition to show this (that is different to the Templar/Seekers sign).  

I would also like to say I loved the romance novel picture that Nikki posted .  I almost spat out my tea!  Some of those covers do make me laugh (I wonder what goes through the photographers/artists mind).  I mean how many men would be out in the open naked with a clothed fair maiden protecting their modesty?! 

[LolaLei]

So I guess the Inquisition will probably be what the Seekers were before joining up with the Chantry. Especially since most of todays Thedas Seekers have sided with Lambert, so they can't pick up their old mantle anyway.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

So I guess the Inquisition will probably be what the Seekers were before joining up with the Chantry. Especially since most of todays Thedas Seekers have sided with Lambert, so they can't pick up their old mantle anyway.

LOL So you mean the Seeker brand is already in use, so they dust off the old one?  Seems plausible to me!

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

So I guess the Inquisition will probably be what the Seekers were before joining up with the Chantry. Especially since most of todays Thedas Seekers have sided with Lambert, so they can't pick up their old mantle anyway.

LOL So you mean the Seeker brand is already in use, so they dust off the old one?  Seems plausible to me!

Such a pain too... they had to get new Seeker t shirts for the company picnic and everything! Tsk!

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

So I guess the Inquisition will probably be what the Seekers were before joining up with the Chantry. Especially since most of todays Thedas Seekers have sided with Lambert, so they can't pick up their old mantle anyway.

LOL So you mean the Seeker brand is already in use, so they dust off the old one?  Seems plausible to me!

Such a pain too... they had to get new Seeker t shirts for the company picnic and everything! Tsk!

LOL Does this sword-eye-sun logo make me look fat?

[R2s Muse]

So... here's a new wrinkle in the WoT timeline.

Witch Hunt is placed in 9:32, after Hawke leaves for the Deep Roads. Which means the gossips in Witch Hunt are sadly misinformed on the whereabouts of Cullen. Of course, he might have already gone off to Kirkwall without their knowledge, since they are just random gossips.

[LolaLei]

WOOOOO! Alistair cosplayer guy is following me on Twitter and subscribed to my channel. Mission accomplished!

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

So... here's a new wrinkle in the WoT timeline.

Witch Hunt is placed in 9:32, after Hawke leaves for the Deep Roads. Which means the gossips in Witch Hunt are sadly misinformed on the whereabouts of Cullen. Of course, he might have already gone off to Kirkwall without their knowledge, since they are just random gossips.

Maybe they just presumed he was still there? Probably went straight to Kirkwall from Greenfell, so the gossips probably just presumed he was still barking mad in a Chantry somewhere.

... There, that works. Let's run with that! 

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

So I guess the Inquisition will probably be what the Seekers were before joining up with the Chantry. Especially since most of todays Thedas Seekers have sided with Lambert, so they can't pick up their old mantle anyway.

LOL So you mean the Seeker brand is already in use, so they dust off the old one?  Seems plausible to me!

Kinda, except they'd just pick up the old brand and repackage it as the Inquisition since that was kinda like another ye olde term for the Seekers that few in Thedas would know about today. Saves them thinking up a new catchy title!

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

So... here's a new wrinkle in the WoT timeline.

Witch Hunt is placed in 9:32, after Hawke leaves for the Deep Roads. Which means the gossips in Witch Hunt are sadly misinformed on the whereabouts of Cullen. Of course, he might have already gone off to Kirkwall without their knowledge, since they are just random gossips.

Maybe they just presumed he was still there? Probably went straight to Kirkwall from Greenfell, so the gossips probably just presumed he was still barking mad in a Chantry somewhere.

... There, that works. Let's run with that! 

Exactly! LOL

[LolaLei]

Or maybe Greagoir just told them that they'd sent him away to "recover", rather than tell them the truth that he'd been sent to Kirkwall to work there, in case it upset the mages that he was awful to in Ferelden?

[LolaLei]

This is worrying:


Ryan Loe: "More layoffs at BioWare. My friend, Nathan Plewes who worked there 13 years is out. Wow."

*Name removed*: "Oh no I had no idea there was going to be another round there."

Ryan Loe: "Yeah, round one was the temps. Round 2 the project. My guess is round three will be the studio."

*Name removed*: "That's very sad to hear. It's never easy when you feel like a number rather than a person."

Ryan Loe: "It never used to be that way. I blame a change in management at EA."


"Round 2 the project" ... Making cuts to that is very concerning indeed. ****ing EA.<_<

Modifié par LolaLei, 21 avril 2013 - 01:56 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

This is worrying:


Ryan Loe: "More layoffs at BioWare. My friend, Nathan Plewes who worked there 13 years is out. Wow."

*Name removed*: "Oh no I had no idea there was going to be another round there."

Ryan Loe: "Yeah, round one was the temps. Round 2 the project. My guess is round three will be the studio."

*Name removed*: "That's very sad to hear. It's never easy when you feel like a number rather than a person."

Ryan Loe: "It never used to be that way. I blame a change in management at EA."


"Round 2 the project" ... Making cuts to that is very concerning indeed. ****ing EA.<_<

Oh sh!t. That's sad.

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

This is worrying:


Ryan Loe: "More layoffs at BioWare. My friend, Nathan Plewes who worked there 13 years is out. Wow."

*Name removed*: "Oh no I had no idea there was going to be another round there."

Ryan Loe: "Yeah, round one was the temps. Round 2 the project. My guess is round three will be the studio."

*Name removed*: "That's very sad to hear. It's never easy when you feel like a number rather than a person."

Ryan Loe: "It never used to be that way. I blame a change in management at EA."


"Round 2 the project" ... Making cuts to that is very concerning indeed. ****ing EA.<_<

Oh sh!t. That's sad.

Yeah. I think by "the project" they mean people brought on just for this project, rather than say David Gaider, Mike Laidlaw and such.

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

This is worrying:


Ryan Loe: "More layoffs at BioWare. My friend, Nathan Plewes who worked there 13 years is out. Wow."

*Name removed*: "Oh no I had no idea there was going to be another round there."

Ryan Loe: "Yeah, round one was the temps. Round 2 the project. My guess is round three will be the studio."

*Name removed*: "That's very sad to hear. It's never easy when you feel like a number rather than a person."

Ryan Loe: "It never used to be that way. I blame a change in management at EA."


"Round 2 the project" ... Making cuts to that is very concerning indeed. ****ing EA.<_<

Oh sh!t. That's sad.

Yeah. I think by "the project" they mean people brought on just for this project, rather than say David Gaider, Mike Laidlaw and such.

Well, it sounds like they've gone beyond round one with just the temps if they've let someone of 13 years go. Either way, they'll take cuts to the game before they cut BioWare lol.

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

This is worrying:


Ryan Loe: "More layoffs at BioWare. My friend, Nathan Plewes who worked there 13 years is out. Wow."

*Name removed*: "Oh no I had no idea there was going to be another round there."

Ryan Loe: "Yeah, round one was the temps. Round 2 the project. My guess is round three will be the studio."

*Name removed*: "That's very sad to hear. It's never easy when you feel like a number rather than a person."

Ryan Loe: "It never used to be that way. I blame a change in management at EA."


"Round 2 the project" ... Making cuts to that is very concerning indeed. ****ing EA.<_<

Oh sh!t. That's sad.

Yeah. I think by "the project" they mean people brought on just for this project, rather than say David Gaider, Mike Laidlaw and such.

Well, it sounds like they've gone beyond round one with just the temps if they've let someone of 13 years go. Either way, they'll take cuts to the game before they cut BioWare lol.

It sucks that all these layoffs are happening I wonder if who took the old CEO's place is at fault?

[LolaLei]

Apparently EA are making cuts to loads of studios. not just BioWare.