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meanieweenie wrote...

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On a different, somewhat related to Cullen, note. I had a really random thought this morning (literally have no idea where it came from) concerning Templars drinking lyrium. Aside from the addiction, what other side effects do you guys think it causes? I was thinking that as an unknown result, Templars are more likely to have children that are mages (could be why they discourage Templars from having families, ala the tortured templar in the Broken Circle quest) I just remember Dagna saying that mages are thought to be born with Lyrium in thier blood, hence Templars being more susceptible to birthing mage children. I haven't read too much about lyrium and templars on the codex, so maybe this is covered, but it was just something that has been rolling around in my head today. 

Now wouldn't that be a kick in the pants to find out? Imagine the scandal if it got out that Templars had mage babies! The only side effect I'm familiar with is madness with prolonged use. Something like what you're talking about would bring a whole new dynamic to the Templar codex.... why the rules are as they are for them and such.


Oh wow, that's quite an idea, littlenikki!  I know that in one of the lyrium codexes they talk about prolonged lyrium use causing strange deformities and strange things like that in the old magisters. Wow. If lyrium in the blood makes you a mage... heh, no wonder they have such rules against templars having relationships. Altho, I suppose I would also expect them to take a vow of celibacy or something if the Chantry were really concerned about it.

That's kind of a cool plot bunny there!!

From the lyrium codex:

Lyrium has its costs, however. Prolonged use becomes addictive, the cravings unbearable. Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours. Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation: The magister lords of the Tevinter Imperium were widely reputed to have been so affected by their years of lyrium use that they could not be recognized by their own kin, nor even as creatures that had once been human.


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#42827
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Heh, DG addresses definitively why there's no Varric romance on twitter. Warning: While You Sleep spoilers. LOL

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R2s Muse wrote...

Oh wow, that's quite an idea, littlenikki!  I know that in one of the lyrium codexes they talk about prolonged lyrium use causing strange deformities and strange things like that in the old magisters. Wow. If lyrium in the blood makes you a mage... heh, no wonder they have such rules against templars having relationships. Altho, I suppose I would also expect them to take a vow of celibacy or something if the Chantry were really concerned about it.

That's kind of a cool plot bunny there!!


Thanks! :D It was such an odd thing to suddenly think of, especially when I wasn't even doing anything Dragon Age related. I was curled up in all my blankets cause I just woke up when I thought of it.

I can understand why the Chantry doesn't place the celibacy limitation on them, simply because I doubt a lot of the Templars would follow it. It could also lower the enlistment rate for them, since a lot of the recruits are young men that are looking for ways to provide for their families. Being a priest/priestess is a lot more dedication to the Chantry and its beliefs, vs the Templar Order. I don't think they need as many priests as they do Templars either, so they are probably a lot more leniant on the restrictions for recruitment.  

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...What if Cullen has a daughter/son? I mean what if he had a young child at some point? I mean he could have gotten a woman pregnant prior to joining the order? Or maybe he got her pregnant and joined the order to earn enough money for the baby.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

...What if Cullen has a daughter/son? I mean what if he had a young child at some point? I mean he could have gotten a woman pregnant prior to joining the order? Or maybe he got her pregnant and joined the order to earn enough money for the baby.

That would be interesting!  I have a weakness in my little soccer-mom heart for sexy dads... :?

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littlenikki wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh wow, that's quite an idea, littlenikki!  I know that in one of the lyrium codexes they talk about prolonged lyrium use causing strange deformities and strange things like that in the old magisters. Wow. If lyrium in the blood makes you a mage... heh, no wonder they have such rules against templars having relationships. Altho, I suppose I would also expect them to take a vow of celibacy or something if the Chantry were really concerned about it.

That's kind of a cool plot bunny there!!


Thanks! :D It was such an odd thing to suddenly think of, especially when I wasn't even doing anything Dragon Age related. I was curled up in all my blankets cause I just woke up when I thought of it.

I can understand why the Chantry doesn't place the celibacy limitation on them, simply because I doubt a lot of the Templars would follow it. It could also lower the enlistment rate for them, since a lot of the recruits are young men that are looking for ways to provide for their families. Being a priest/priestess is a lot more dedication to the Chantry and its beliefs, vs the Templar Order. I don't think they need as many priests as they do Templars either, so they are probably a lot more leniant on the restrictions for recruitment.  

I was re-reading the Dagna wiki page and... wow, there's a lot I missed. Did you know that in one epilogue Dagna discovers "something" about lyrium that sets up a conflict between the Divine and the dwarves, where the Divine considers an Exalted March??? I mean... say what? :o

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I must have missed that epilogue re Dagna. I liked her as a character, so enthusiastic, you just have to help her in DAO.

I have read the new comic. I am scratching my head a bit! I think I will have to look at other posts on the forum.

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Newschmoo wrote...

I must have missed that epilogue re Dagna. I liked her as a character, so enthusiastic, you just have to help her in DAO.

I have read the new comic. I am scratching my head a bit! I think I will have to look at other posts on the forum.

LOL yes. Join us! ;)

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R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

...What if Cullen has a daughter/son? I mean what if he had a young child at some point? I mean he could have gotten a woman pregnant prior to joining the order? Or maybe he got her pregnant and joined the order to earn enough money for the baby.

That would be interesting!  I have a weakness in my little soccer-mom heart for sexy dads... :?


I also wouldn't mind if Cullen turned out to have a child, not a huge deal breaker for me. I would hope there would be a good explination as to his/her absence from his life up until the point of discovery. Dead-beat dads are a big no-no

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littlenikki wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

...What if Cullen has a daughter/son? I mean what if he had a young child at some point? I mean he could have gotten a woman pregnant prior to joining the order? Or maybe he got her pregnant and joined the order to earn enough money for the baby.

That would be interesting!  I have a weakness in my little soccer-mom heart for sexy dads... :?


I also wouldn't mind if Cullen turned out to have a child, not a huge deal breaker for me. I would hope there would be a good explination as to his/her absence from his life up until the point of discovery. Dead-beat dads are a big no-no


Yeah. Maybe he just wasn't allowed to/able to for whatever reason. That or he had to work overtime in order to properly support her.

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Hey everyone! Sorry I've been away for so long. Boyfriend drama.

So, what's new with Cullen news?

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R2s Muse wrote...

LOL Delightful thing is... templars don't actually take a vow of celibacy. :extra happy dance:

We're pleased to foster anyone's appreciation of Cullen's... hair. :D FWIW, here's a direct, 'daylight' comparison between original recipe and DA2. I think the thread consensus is blonde/strawberry blonde in DA2, but ymmv.


Oh, right. Hair. Posted Image I went with blonde in the end. Thanks for the pics though, they confirmed my choice.

They're not celibate?? Where on earth did I get that idea then..? No matter, that is certainly good news if Cullen is to be a companion/LI (Sebastian was such a tease).

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I think it was suggested that they were in DA:O, but then they retconned it in DA2... either that or the Kirkwall Templars didn't get the memo, LOL.

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LolaLei wrote...

I think it was suggested that they were in DA:O, but then they retconned it in DA2... either that or the Kirkwall Templars didn't get the memo, LOL.

I think you're right. I got the distinct feeling of "no touchy" from the DA:O Templars and then they came right out of the starting gate in DA2 with Wesley and Aveline. I wish they'd had given more detail on the why's and how's with the Templar vows, if only in codex. Maybe we'll get more info this next go round.

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I wonder what made them decide to retcon it? It's not like Wesley was alive long enough in DA2 to make it worth while, and the Templars visiting the brothel could've easily been replaced by "Indunna the exotic wonder from the East" being a circle Mage using her blood/sex-magic to seduce them within the Gallow walls instead of the Bloomin' Rose.

... Not that I'm complaining, it all gives us a higher chance of finally bedding Cullen!

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Commander Kurt wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL Delightful thing is... templars don't actually take a vow of celibacy. :extra happy dance:

We're pleased to foster anyone's appreciation of Cullen's... hair. :D FWIW, here's a direct, 'daylight' comparison between original recipe and DA2. I think the thread consensus is blonde/strawberry blonde in DA2, but ymmv.


Oh, right. Hair. Posted Image I went with blonde in the end. Thanks for the pics though, they confirmed my choice.

They're not celibate?? Where on earth did I get that idea then..? No matter, that is certainly good news if Cullen is to be a companion/LI (Sebastian was such a tease).


My pleasure! I go with blond these days, too. :D

On celibacy, it was implied in DA:O, although in retrospect those were really limitations on fraternization and having a family. My suspicion is that, with the addition of Wesley Vallen, they added some caveats, like templars can marry under certain circumstances. You can see what DG had to say on templar chastity on the templar wiki page.

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LolaLei wrote...

I think it was suggested that they were in DA:O, but then they retconned it in DA2... either that or the Kirkwall Templars didn't get the memo, LOL.

It's not just  a Kirkwall thing, tho. Wesley was Fereldan. I think it's less a retcon as a "finesse". They never came out straight and said templars take a vow of celibacy in DA:O. For example, Cullen not getting involved with a mage is an issue of fraternization, not celibacy. Likewise, the possessed templar and his imaginary "family" was covered by "templars can't have families except with certain permission." But it is very suspicious that they came up with these unusual loopholes just in time for Aveline to have a templar husband. LOL 

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meanieweenie wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think it was suggested that they were in DA:O, but then they retconned it in DA2... either that or the Kirkwall Templars didn't get the memo, LOL.

I think you're right. I got the distinct feeling of "no touchy" from the DA:O Templars and then they came right out of the starting gate in DA2 with Wesley and Aveline. I wish they'd had given more detail on the why's and how's with the Templar vows, if only in codex. Maybe we'll get more info this next go round.

It would be nice to have them more clearly laid out. The only codex  on their vows suggests that templars are also (sometimes?) initiates of the Chantry (!).  But then, according to Templar Recruit Hugh et al., even the templars don't know the nature of their "rituals" upon taking their vows. LOL "they're worse than a weaving circle".

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In a way, I liked the idea that Templars originally seemed to take a vow of celibacy, simply because it made there job seem even more of a sacrifice. However, I'm glad they aren't otherwise Cullen would be completely off the table, lol.

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Made another video, not DA related but feel free to spread it around and comment:



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Loved the vid, I had completely forgotten about that bubble girl thing. That still creeps me out lol.

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LolaLei wrote...

In a way, I liked the idea that Templars originally seemed to take a vow of celibacy, simply because it made there job seem even more of a sacrifice. However, I'm glad they aren't otherwise Cullen would be completely off the table, lol.

Yeah, the whole warrior priest thing does have its allure... until you can't hook up with them. LOL

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LolaLei wrote...

Made another video, not DA related but feel free to spread it around and comment:



Ha! Awesome! :lol: :wizard: 
Oh, and I spot a little kitty in the backround...cute! ^_^

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LolaLei wrote...

Made another video, not DA related but feel free to spread it around and comment:

That bubble girl is just.... wrong. lol I've never seen that before.
Love watching your videos. Posted Image

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Thanks everyone!

Oh gawd, apparently EA are set to lay off 2,000 employees.