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[Jean]

:O:O

That is the most amazing thing I have seen all week.

oh, uh. top I suppose.

Modifié par Batteries, 16 mai 2013 - 02:51 .

[LolaLei]

I can't believe how rude he is to Alain during that quest though, LOL! He can be such a little sh!t.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree. He also expressed regret that the Starkhaven mages die, if you go that path.

I've never killed them, so I totally didn't know that! What does he say?

It's just another one of those ambient one-liners.

“Ser Thrask said you tried to assist him with the Starkhaven apostates. I’m sorry they didn’t make it.”

He also shows regret if you turn over all the mages and Samson during the kidnapped sibling or lover quest. You can ask him what happened to them later on at the Gallows and he says something that implies that Meredith had them hung outside the Gallows as an example. I can't remember the exact wording but his tone of voice was very sad about it.

It was something like:

"Did you not see them as you came in?" and his tone of voice sounds really spooked and disturbed. The mages get strung up even if you don't want them too, except for Alain if you save him. Samson gets strung up too if you don't help him.

*shudder* That one is horrible.

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Where do you think Alistair would have stood, were he in Cullen's place dealing with Meredith/Karras/Alrik/Elthina/Feynriel/etc.? What would have been different with him in the Knight-Captain's shoes?

Hmm, good question. Trying to dredge up my memory of Alistair's feelings on the Circle. He was wary of Morrigan as an apostate, but one of the boons  he can give as King is to free the Circle, right?  The latter always makes me feel that he's a little bit pro-mage-freedom, which seems to me a big difference with Cullen. I just don't think Cullen would be cool with mage freedom unless you had a really good replacement system that protected everyone. But just opening the door and waving goodbye...? Just don't see that. (which is why I think seeing his reaction to a post-Circle world in DA3 would be fascinating. I mean, now every mage is an apostate... or rather, there are no apostates, because no Circles... :blink:).

Anyhoo... I suppose since I see Alistair being less wedded to the system, I could see him trying to fix things early on with Meredith by meddling. Also, he doesn't seem to have any particular reverence for chain of command... LOL I see him being a terrible templar. I imagine him getting demoted pretty quickly with Meredith, so in the end having little power with which to do much. But I have no doubt he also would have backed Hawke.

Hmm... do you think he eventually would have turned out like Samson, maybe? But just less sleazy? 

... and then speaking of sleaze, do you think he'd get so fed up with his life as a Templar that he'd be partying at the Blooming Rose with the rest of the fellas? (and the er... "young ladies") 

Eek. I dunno. Would it be drunken Alistair all over again?

[Jean]

o_O
I think I have a save somewhere close to that quest on one of my Hawkes.

Think I'll try to check it out, that is incredibly disturbing.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree. He also expressed regret that the Starkhaven mages die, if you go that path.

I've never killed them, so I totally didn't know that! What does he say?

It's just another one of those ambient one-liners.

“Ser Thrask said you tried to assist him with the Starkhaven apostates. I’m sorry they didn’t make it.”

He also shows regret if you turn over all the mages and Samson during the kidnapped sibling or lover quest. You can ask him what happened to them later on at the Gallows and he says something that implies that Meredith had them hung outside the Gallows as an example. I can't remember the exact wording but his tone of voice was very sad about it.

It was something like:

"Did you not see them as you came in?" and his tone of voice sounds really spooked and disturbed. The mages get strung up even if you don't want them too, except for Alain if you save him. Samson gets strung up too if you don't help him.

*shudder* That one is horrible.

He totally nails that line though.

I often forget what a good voice actor Greg Ellis really is since usually does silly light-hearted characters or, in the case of Cullen, doesn't get much opportunity to do large chunks of dialogue that require a varied emotions beyond "fairly angry," "tortured in a pink cage" and "neutral". 

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 mai 2013 - 02:56 .

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree. He also expressed regret that the Starkhaven mages die, if you go that path.

I've never killed them, so I totally didn't know that! What does he say?

It's just another one of those ambient one-liners.

“Ser Thrask said you tried to assist him with the Starkhaven apostates. I’m sorry they didn’t make it.”

He also shows regret if you turn over all the mages and Samson during the kidnapped sibling or lover quest. You can ask him what happened to them later on at the Gallows and he says something that implies that Meredith had them hung outside the Gallows as an example. I can't remember the exact wording but his tone of voice was very sad about it.

It was something like:

"Did you not see them as you came in?" and his tone of voice sounds really spooked and disturbed. The mages get strung up even if you don't want them too, except for Alain if you save him. Samson gets strung up too if you don't help him.

Since when does Meredith have any jurisdiction over Samson? He's not a Templar anymore!

... something is rotten in the state of Kirkwall. Somehow I don't imagine Aveline would have been pleased to hear about this.

Of course, if Aveline were Cullen there would be tons of haters saying that she either knew about it and didn't do anything, or she was incompetent for not knowing and a complete monster either way. 

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree. He also expressed regret that the Starkhaven mages die, if you go that path.

I've never killed them, so I totally didn't know that! What does he say?

It's just another one of those ambient one-liners.

“Ser Thrask said you tried to assist him with the Starkhaven apostates. I’m sorry they didn’t make it.”

He also shows regret if you turn over all the mages and Samson during the kidnapped sibling or lover quest. You can ask him what happened to them later on at the Gallows and he says something that implies that Meredith had them hung outside the Gallows as an example. I can't remember the exact wording but his tone of voice was very sad about it.

It was something like:

"Did you not see them as you came in?" and his tone of voice sounds really spooked and disturbed. The mages get strung up even if you don't want them too, except for Alain if you save him. Samson gets strung up too if you don't help him.

Since when does Meredith have any jurisdiction over Samson? He's not a Templar anymore!

... something is rotten in the state of Kirkwall. Somehow I don't imagine Aveline would have been pleased to hear about this.

Of course, if Aveline were Cullen there would be tons of haters saying that she either knew about it and didn't do anything, or she was incompetent for not knowing and a complete monster either way. 

Well Meredith went above and beyond her station and was ruling Kirkwall with an iron fist when Hawke first arrived on the scene.

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree. He also expressed regret that the Starkhaven mages die, if you go that path.

I've never killed them, so I totally didn't know that! What does he say?

It's just another one of those ambient one-liners.

“Ser Thrask said you tried to assist him with the Starkhaven apostates. I’m sorry they didn’t make it.”

He also shows regret if you turn over all the mages and Samson during the kidnapped sibling or lover quest. You can ask him what happened to them later on at the Gallows and he says something that implies that Meredith had them hung outside the Gallows as an example. I can't remember the exact wording but his tone of voice was very sad about it.

It was something like:

"Did you not see them as you came in?" and his tone of voice sounds really spooked and disturbed. The mages get strung up even if you don't want them too, except for Alain if you save him. Samson gets strung up too if you don't help him.

Since when does Meredith have any jurisdiction over Samson? He's not a Templar anymore!

... something is rotten in the state of Kirkwall. Somehow I don't imagine Aveline would have been pleased to hear about this.

Of course, if Aveline were Cullen there would be tons of haters saying that she either knew about it and didn't do anything, or she was incompetent for not knowing and a complete monster either way. 

I think in Samson's case, it would be because he was complicit in Thrask's plot, which is "templar business."  Cullen says something about the reason Samson gets collared.

[R2s Muse]

There we go... I knew I had these somewhere.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree. He also expressed regret that the Starkhaven mages die, if you go that path.

I've never killed them, so I totally didn't know that! What does he say?

It's just another one of those ambient one-liners.

“Ser Thrask said you tried to assist him with the Starkhaven apostates. I’m sorry they didn’t make it.”

He also shows regret if you turn over all the mages and Samson during the kidnapped sibling or lover quest. You can ask him what happened to them later on at the Gallows and he says something that implies that Meredith had them hung outside the Gallows as an example. I can't remember the exact wording but his tone of voice was very sad about it.

It was something like:

"Did you not see them as you came in?" and his tone of voice sounds really spooked and disturbed. The mages get strung up even if you don't want them too, except for Alain if you save him. Samson gets strung up too if you don't help him.

Since when does Meredith have any jurisdiction over Samson? He's not a Templar anymore!

... something is rotten in the state of Kirkwall. Somehow I don't imagine Aveline would have been pleased to hear about this.

Of course, if Aveline were Cullen there would be tons of haters saying that she either knew about it and didn't do anything, or she was incompetent for not knowing and a complete monster either way. 

I think in Samson's case, it would be because he was complicit in Thrask's plot, which is "templar business."  Cullen says something about the reason Samson gets collared.

Yeah, and he'd been helping the mages for years when he was still working for Meredith within the Order. Chances are she had him strung up due to insubordination along with a bunch of other stuff.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

There we go... I knew I had these somewhere.

Do you suppose he knew that Meredith was gonna kill them all? Or do you think maybe he thought she would make the blood mages Tranquil and maybe have Samson arrested after he was interrogated?

[Twice a Lady]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Agree. He also expressed regret that the Starkhaven mages die, if you go that path.

I've never killed them, so I totally didn't know that! What does he say?

It's just another one of those ambient one-liners.

“Ser Thrask said you tried to assist him with the Starkhaven apostates. I’m sorry they didn’t make it.”

He also shows regret if you turn over all the mages and Samson during the kidnapped sibling or lover quest. You can ask him what happened to them later on at the Gallows and he says something that implies that Meredith had them hung outside the Gallows as an example. I can't remember the exact wording but his tone of voice was very sad about it.

It was something like:

"Did you not see them as you came in?" and his tone of voice sounds really spooked and disturbed. The mages get strung up even if you don't want them too, except for Alain if you save him. Samson gets strung up too if you don't help him.

*shudder* That one is horrible.

I'm not gonna lie. I turn them all over all the time, even Alain whether I'm pro-mage or pro-templar. I think I 've played that quest through all of once as a sane, reasonable person that let's people live. It's the one quest that just rubs me the wrong way. I've never understood how they can kidnap your sibling or friend or lover and then expect you not to be angry and not to show up! Doesn't Thrask even say something like, "I had hoped you wouldn't come'? Why wouldn't you show up? They kidnapped someone close to you. I guess by that point of the game I am just sick of all the backstabbing you seem to get from the people you try to help, and from the pro-templar POV, I just don't see how kidnapping someone is going to endear you to their cause. I always think of it as my "Hawke SMASH" quest and go all green on it.

[Jean]

So playing this quest again... I love how the templars who follow Cullen around are always women. 

[brushyourteeth]

R2s Muse wrote...

There we go... I knew I had these somewhere.

Dude.... for QUESTIONING!!!

I am absolutely positive from Cullen's sadness at Samson's death that he in no way expected Meredith to be that severe.

That woman is a positive sociopath. I really, really started to like her in the pro-Templar playthough, but that's what sociopaths do -- they get you to like them. Dis-gust-ing.

[brushyourteeth]

Twice a Lady wrote...

I'm not gonna lie. I turn them all over all the time, even Alain whether I'm pro-mage or pro-templar. I think I 've played that quest through all of once as a sane, reasonable person that let's people live. It's the one quest that just rubs me the wrong way. I've never understood how they can kidnap your sibling or friend or lover and then expect you not to be angry and not to show up! Doesn't Thrask even say something like, "I had hoped you wouldn't come'? Why wouldn't you show up? They kidnapped someone close to you. I guess by that point of the game I am just sick of all the backstabbing you seem to get from the people you try to help, and from the pro-templar POV, I just don't see how kidnapping someone is going to endear you to their cause. I always think of it as my "Hawke SMASH" quest and go all green on it.

This made me LOL.

You know, I've never had a playthrough where one of my siblings didn't live to the end. I really need to let them both bite it sometime so I can see my LI get kidnapped. I wonder who they take if you don't have anyone, or if you're romancing Seb?

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 16 mai 2013 - 03:11 .

[LolaLei]

Batteries wrote...

So playing this quest again... I love how the templars who follow Cullen around are always women. 

They know a good thing when they see one! 

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

There we go... I knew I had these somewhere.

Do you suppose he knew that Meredith was gonna kill them all? Or do you think maybe he thought she would make the blood mages Tranquil and maybe have Samson arrested after he was interrogated?

Well, in the dialogue I have saved, when you make the choice to have them killed Hawke says:
"They used illegal magic in a plot against the Order. I say execute them."

Cullen replies:


So... yeah, I'm thinking he did know what Mer would do.

Also:

Modifié par R2s Muse, 16 mai 2013 - 03:29 .

[Twice a Lady]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

There we go... I knew I had these somewhere.

Do you suppose he knew that Meredith was gonna kill them all? Or do you think maybe he thought she would make the blood mages Tranquil and maybe have Samson arrested after he was interrogated?

The way he says the words when you ask him about it gives me the impression that he didn't know their fate would be so gruesome.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Batteries wrote...

So playing this quest again... I love how the templars who follow Cullen around are always women. 

They know a good thing when they see one! 

Yes I noticed that quite some time ago; I affectionately refer to them as "Cullen's b!tches" 

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

There we go... I knew I had these somewhere.

Dude.... for QUESTIONING!!!

I am absolutely positive from Cullen's sadness at Samson's death that he in no way expected Meredith to be that severe.

That woman is a positive sociopath. I really, really started to like her in the pro-Templar playthough, but that's what sociopaths do -- they get you to like them. Dis-gust-ing.

Does he mention Samson's death too then? Man, I missed out! What does he say?

[brushyourteeth]

You're probably right, R2. Either more sub-par writing or an indicator that Cullen will be a pushover in DA3. :/

[LolaLei]

R2: What's his tone like when he says that he can see why Meredith thinks so highly of Hawke? Is it like "yeah bro, you know where it's at!" or more like "sh!t son, you cray-cray!"

[Jean]

I just did that right now.

Definitely sounded like he approved of the execution. Very creepy.

Also heard "I heard you defeated the demon that possessed the Dalish Queen. Maybe they will be less free with magic now." <- T'was a new one for me as well.

Heard squat about Samson though.

^ He sounded more along the lines of "Yeah bro!" to me.

Modifié par Batteries, 16 mai 2013 - 03:17 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

There we go... I knew I had these somewhere.

Dude.... for QUESTIONING!!!

I am absolutely positive from Cullen's sadness at Samson's death that he in no way expected Meredith to be that severe.

That woman is a positive sociopath. I really, really started to like her in the pro-Templar playthough, but that's what sociopaths do -- they get you to like them. Dis-gust-ing.

Does he mention Samson's death too then? Man, I missed out! What does he say?

I wasn't actually aware that Samson is confirmed as dead. I thought Cullen only responds about the mages, who are strung up outside. Does he say as much?