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[LolaLei]

Batteries wrote...

 This is hilarious

Hawke: Eh, kill all the mages. 

Alain: I SUPPORTED YOUUUU

Cullen: I can see why the Knight-Commander thinks highly of you! TAKETHEMAWAY!

-One loading screen later...-

Hawke: 'Sup bro. So, what happened to those mages?

Cullen: Didn't you see them when you came in? The knight-commander will ensure no one follows their example.

Hawke: Cool, cool. So, uh, Rumor is the knight-commander is cray cray. What'cha think?

Cullen: THE PEOPLE ASK TOO MUCH OF HER! But I do not have to ask where these "cray cray" rumors come from...


Am I the only one who is feeling just.. Just..

LMAO! It's times like this that I realise just how rushed DA2 really was! :lol:

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

SD, we mean wishy-washy as in "torn between two sides."

Or wishy-washy as in "MAKE YOUR BLOODY MIND UP YOU INFURIATING, BEAUTIFUL MAN!" 

[R2s Muse]

Aw, man, I'm the walking dead. Must crash. See y'all on the flipside.

[Jean]

"Take Samson too, men"

Oh, Cullen...

[LolaLei]

I listened to that bit of dialogue again, he definitely doesn't sound too thrilled with Hawke's request to kill them all. Funny how we all heard different things!

[Twice a Lady]

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2: What's his tone like when he says that he can see why Meredith thinks so highly of Hawke? Is it like "yeah bro, you know where it's at!" or more like "sh!t son, you cray-cray!"

I thought a lot about that line, actually. He says in his usual brisk manner. But... one interpretation I had was that ... here's the powerful hero of the city who is pissed off, just killed a sh!t ton of people, and is now telling you to tell your boss to kill the rest.  A diplomatic dude like Cullen isn't going to disagree with you... instead he could be thinking, "You crazy ass ****... just like my boss." Then outloud he says, "I can see why (crazy ass) Meredith thinks so highly of you (another crazy)."

Just food for thought...

I know when I play through this quest my Hawke is a crazy ass super B, so this reasoning from Cullen would make absolute sense to me.

LOL And, I figure the xena-esque "kill them all" option would probably be limited to the more hardcore, aggro Hawkes in the first place... I dunno.  I'm just imagining Cullen, in that scenario, thinking... "You and Meredith are perfect for each other! Freaks!"

I tend to play as funny/charming Hawke. I rarely play the agressive card extensively, but on this quest in particular I just can't help myself. I'm sure that makes my Hawke appear more psychotic being all funny ha-ha, then all Kill them all!

[LolaLei]

LOL, bloody hell. I kinda love him and hate him all at the same time! He's gonna make such an interesting companion/LI if he is one.

... I still can't work out how he'd ever romance a mage though, especially with the attitude he displayed in Act 3. Perhaps there own writing inconsistencies has made him impossible to give him a companion role?

[littlenikki]

Whoa, you guys and gals have been talkin! I love these little spurts of constant conversation/debate that pop up every now and then, even with lack of announcements and solid information. Really shows the staying power that the Dragon Age games have.

Alright, that's enough a**kissing from me.

[CuriousArtemis]

OMG this went by way too fast for me to keep up! >.<

Yeah ofc I knew about what he says regarding Alain (the "convenient change of heart" dialogue or what have you). So when I wrote that story I pretended they were into each other, and when Cullen learned of Alain's betrayal he was all hurt over it and things were never the same between them, b'awww

He is hard to defend in terms of "No, really! He's a great guy!" But when it comes to being a great character... no need to defend him; it's obvious 8D

I still see wishy-washy as not as... having trouble choosing sides. Because the world isn't just "this side or that side." But more like where should he lay his loyalties and to what and to whom should he swear himself... to serve the Greater Good. He never is really sure.

[thats1evildude]

Oh, amnesiac NPCs are not unique to DA2. Try doing a Leliana romance and choosing the late dialogue option "I have heard some rumours about Orlesian spies."

Oh, you have no interest in seducing me, do you? Leliana, we slept together repeatedly. That ship has sailed. 

Modifié par thats1evildude, 16 mai 2013 - 04:02 .

[SamaraDraven]

I think with Cullen's crack about Alain having "a last minute change of heart" was more of a verbalized thought than a true official judgment. I don't recall Alain being for returning to the Circle either. But it has been a while... Anyone in Cullen's position would have to consider that they might be getting duped. I always thought Alain wasn't having a change of heart though. I thought he truly wanted to be in the Circle and was only with the others in "Act of Mercy" because he was in the right place at the right time. He even said something about not being sure of going alone with the others but that they had made it sound easy. Alain was led into the escape attempt but I doubt he ever was complicit with the bloodmages. Cullen has to acknowledge this could all be a lie. Other people mage and non-mage alike (remember Jowan's girl Lily?) have been locked up or made tranquil for the mere association with a maleficar but since Alain lives, we can assume that Cullen managed to keep either fate from befalling Alain, despite what he says. So I think that was a verbalized thought and nothing more. And I still don't see Cullen as having a last minute change of heart either. He was pretty solid about being on Hawke's side once things got down to it. Unless you play as pro-templar, then his dissention about those 3 mages looks like a defection only to have him switch back when he lets Hawke go. But in all my pro-mage playthroughs, I never saw him as doing a last minute 180. He seemed more like he was increasingly questioning throughout the game and reaches his point that he feels things have gone too far. It was more like his heart was pushed to see how far he'd let things slide because it's his "duty" I just think the writers did a poor job of conveying this.

Hey R2! It's all good. =D

[LolaLei]

It's really amusing to think that DG described him as a "very sweet guy" in that interview with a fan that he did. I mean, are we really talking about the same Cullen?

Sure, he certainly has goofy cute moments when he's flustered, but the only time I ever saw him being sweet in DA2 was when he told Keran's sister not to worry about paying Hawke because he'd cover the cost.

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 mai 2013 - 04:07 .

[SamaraDraven]

brushyourteeth wrote...

SD, we mean wishy-washy as in "torn between two sides."

I know you do, Brush. And that goes for everyone here too. My annoyance over it has more to do with the haters who refuse to even TRY to see things differently and conveniently ignore a few facts so that they can keep on hating Cullen so they can continue to call us crazy or sadistic or whatever. It's okay for there to be a gray are for mages but nooooo! The good templars can't have that! Nope. <_< So I just had to offer my 2... well dollars worth, really.

[littlenikki]

Oh snap, are we still doing our Cheesy Romance Novels on pg 1800? We're getting close!

[SamaraDraven]

littlenikki wrote...

Oh snap, are we still doing our Cheesy Romance Novels on pg 1800? We're getting close!

I have no clue. I'm just trying to get this makerdamned chapter finished.

[LolaLei]

In a way, there are really only two big reasons why I feel Cullen might not get a crack at a companion role:

1) Evangeline from the Asunder novel. Now, that's not because she went from pro-Templar to pro-Mage because as we all know not every player sides with mages or plays a mage to subsequently romance companions with, but because his storyline, so far has been pretty similar to Cullen's in that she was a Knight Captain that got chewed up and spat out by the system and through her personal story starts to have doubts about what the Order stands for etc. until she finally stands up for what she believes in.

And

2) Cassandra because she's a Seeker and her attitude is very similar to Cullen's, not to mention that she's probably got the highest chance of being a companion. Would they give us two very similar companions with similar sorts of history when it comes to their experience with mages and problems with authority figures?

I mean, I personally think they could find a way around both situations, but would the devs/writers actually want to? Especially since DG already feels show horned with Cullen's character due to all the fanfic/head canons/speculations/etc that we've theorised and created, lol.

[Twice a Lady]

SamaraDraven wrote...

I think with Cullen's crack about Alain having "a last minute change of heart" was more of a verbalized thought than a true official judgment. I don't recall Alain being for returning to the Circle either. But it has been a while... Anyone in Cullen's position would have to consider that they might be getting duped. I always thought Alain wasn't having a change of heart though. I thought he truly wanted to be in the Circle and was only with the others in "Act of Mercy" because he was in the right place at the right time. He even said something about not being sure of going alone with the others but that they had made it sound easy. Alain was led into the escape attempt but I doubt he ever was complicit with the bloodmages. Cullen has to acknowledge this could all be a lie. Other people mage and non-mage alike (remember Jowan's girl Lily?) have been locked up or made tranquil for the mere association with a maleficar but since Alain lives, we can assume that Cullen managed to keep either fate from befalling Alain, despite what he says. So I think that was a verbalized thought and nothing more. And I still don't see Cullen as having a last minute change of heart either. He was pretty solid about being on Hawke's side once things got down to it. Unless you play as pro-templar, then his dissention about those 3 mages looks like a defection only to have him switch back when he lets Hawke go. But in all my pro-mage playthroughs, I never saw him as doing a last minute 180. He seemed more like he was increasingly questioning throughout the game and reaches his point that he feels things have gone too far. It was more like his heart was pushed to see how far he'd let things slide because it's his "duty" I just think the writers did a poor job of conveying this.

Hey R2! It's all good. =D

When I play pro-templar I always got the impression that Cullen was already solid in how he felt about what Meredith was doing by late Act 3 and was already planning on taking a stance against her, regardless of what Hawke was doing. Whether the game is played pro-mage or pro-templar, he drops little hints and phrases throughout the game leading up to his final actions. The difference to me is, during the final act if you prompt him, he will give you his opinion and give the 'what it means to be a Templar' speech during the three mages scene and it feels like he's trying to convince the pro-templar Hawke to see reason and side with him, rather than Meredith. The only one eighty I got on his personality during a pro-templar playthrough was the whole "I thought we were arresting the Champion' thing. I was all WTH, Cullen!? Where did this come from? I did your job better than you!

[LolaLei]

littlenikki wrote...

Oh snap, are we still doing our Cheesy Romance Novels on pg 1800? We're getting close!

Balls, I totally forgot that we changed it to 1800! I'll make a bunch later, before I forget again.

[LolaLei]

Lol, by the end of Act 3 you'd think he'd be used to Meredith wanting to "kill all the things"!

[Twice a Lady]

LolaLei wrote...

It's really amusing to think that DG described him as a "very sweet guy" in that interview with a fan that he did. I mean, are we really talking about the same Cullen?

Sure, he certainly has goofy cute moments when he's flustered, but the only time I ever saw him being sweet in DA2 was when he told Keran's sister not to worry about paying Hawke because he'd cover the cost.

Business Cullen vs. Off Hours Cullen?
I think he is a very sweet guy deep down, we just don't get to see it very often because Kirkwall is a miserable place to be a Templar, but I think there is enough of the litle bits showing through between the two games to believe it.

[Jean]

Does anyone have a link to that interview Gaider had with a fan?

I don't know if sweet is a word I'd use to describe him. Unless maybe he saves and raises homeless kittens and puppies during his off hours or something?

Modifié par Batteries, 16 mai 2013 - 04:35 .

[LolaLei]

Twice a lady: I imagine he'd be sweet to those he cared about, like his romance or whatever. Hm, it sure would be nice to see what "off-duty" Cullen is like!

[LolaLei]

Batteries wrote...

Does anyone have a link to that interview Gaider had with a fan?

I don't know if sweet is a word I'd use to describe him. Unless maybe he saves and raises homeless kittens and puppies during his off hours or something?

Damn the site it's on is currently down, it'll be up in a few hours though.

[SamaraDraven]

Twice a Lady wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

I think with Cullen's crack about Alain having "a last minute change of heart" was more of a verbalized thought than a true official judgment. I don't recall Alain being for returning to the Circle either. But it has been a while... Anyone in Cullen's position would have to consider that they might be getting duped. I always thought Alain wasn't having a change of heart though. I thought he truly wanted to be in the Circle and was only with the others in "Act of Mercy" because he was in the right place at the right time. He even said something about not being sure of going alone with the others but that they had made it sound easy. Alain was led into the escape attempt but I doubt he ever was complicit with the bloodmages. Cullen has to acknowledge this could all be a lie. Other people mage and non-mage alike (remember Jowan's girl Lily?) have been locked up or made tranquil for the mere association with a maleficar but since Alain lives, we can assume that Cullen managed to keep either fate from befalling Alain, despite what he says. So I think that was a verbalized thought and nothing more. And I still don't see Cullen as having a last minute change of heart either. He was pretty solid about being on Hawke's side once things got down to it. Unless you play as pro-templar, then his dissention about those 3 mages looks like a defection only to have him switch back when he lets Hawke go. But in all my pro-mage playthroughs, I never saw him as doing a last minute 180. He seemed more like he was increasingly questioning throughout the game and reaches his point that he feels things have gone too far. It was more like his heart was pushed to see how far he'd let things slide because it's his "duty" I just think the writers did a poor job of conveying this.

Hey R2! It's all good. =D

When I play pro-templar I always got the impression that Cullen was already solid in how he felt about what Meredith was doing by late Act 3 and was already planning on taking a stance against her, regardless of what Hawke was doing. Whether the game is played pro-mage or pro-templar, he drops little hints and phrases throughout the game leading up to his final actions. The difference to me is, during the final act if you prompt him, he will give you his opinion and give the 'what it means to be a Templar' speech during the three mages scene and it feels like he's trying to convince the pro-templar Hawke to see reason and side with him, rather than Meredith. The only one eighty I got on his personality during a pro-templar playthrough was the whole "I thought we were arresting the Champion' thing. I was all WTH, Cullen!? Where did this come from? I did your job better than you!

Exactly! I never saw his actions as doing a 180 either. He was coming to his own mind about things and Act 3 just put him in a position where he had to participate.  I don't think Cullen was looking forward to arresting Hawke anymore than he was killing her. I think he says that because that's what Meredith told him she was going to do. For me, that bit was a way for the writers to show us that Cullen isn't as "in" with his fellow knights as people think. Showing us that he was surprised, tells us that Meredith will lie to him if she wants to do something she knows he won't stand for. That or she changed her mind. Either way, Cullen's input isn't of value to her. So the question becomes: What else might she have kept from him? If you have to ask that, then you have to wonder how much he didn't know and what could he really have changed? If Meredith values him so little... the answer is that Cullen's influence is rather limited indeed. Meredith would say one thing to him but do another. She needed to keep him satisfied in order to keep him doing his job. Of all the knights there, he was probably the biggest threat to her in terms of having her removed from her position. It kind of makes me wonder if she really saw Cullen as more of an enemy than an ally. A "keep your enemies close" sort of thing.

[LolaLei]

If he is a companion/LI in DA3 I hope he will be sweet sometimes, even if it's in his own silly flustered stuttering way.

I'm not sure I could even begin to imagine what his romance arc would be like, let alone getting it to a point where they actually shag and become an item. If it happens then it's gonna be quite a strange thing to finally accomplish, I think I'd be half weirded out and half smug-as-****!