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[Jean]

Aw, darn

Oh well.
I'm sure Gaider knows many things we do not. Maybe he sleeps in jammies with cartoon templar helmets? Has a stuffed animal he drags around with him everywhere he goes as a reminder of his mother/father?

[SamaraDraven]

Oooo! Off-duty Cullen for sure! Don't get me wrong, I love business Cullen but I have a thing for wanting to see him in clothes. *HIS* clothes not modded clothes! haha! It's probably way off but I have a mental image of him in a dark blue linen shirt with a lace-up front and dark brown trousers. Don't ask me why, but it's my head canon off-duty!Cullen.

[brushyourteeth]

SamaraDraven wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

SD, we mean wishy-washy as in "torn between two sides."

I know you do, Brush. And that goes for everyone here too. My annoyance over it has more to do with the haters who refuse to even TRY to see things differently and conveniently ignore a few facts so that they can keep on hating Cullen so they can continue to call us crazy or sadistic or whatever. It's okay for there to be a gray area for mages but nooooo! The good templars can't have that! Nope. <_< So I just had to offer my 2... well dollars worth, really.

Bam! This so much. I'll se your  and raise another - LOL


Also, HEY thats1evildude, it's been awhile!!!! 

[LolaLei]

Samara: I think you're probably onto something there. Perhaps initially she thought she could shape him into the "perfect Templar" but soon realised that he was beginning to question things, be that through her noticing changes in his behaviour/attitude to his work, or was pure paranoia that turned out to be correct is something we'll probably never know, however I think your right in saying he was kept in the dark about a lot of things.

I've always liked the concept that Cullen had been kept out of the loop from the very beginning, initially for being a Fereldan turnip, then later because the other Templars were jealous of his quick promotion through the ranks, and eventually because Meredith was bat sh!t insane and had always kept her motives to herself anyway.

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 mai 2013 - 04:58 .

[Twice a Lady]

I think the thing I love most about Meredith is that she's bat sh!t insane!
And yes, I totally agree with this theory of Cullen being kept in the dark. It does explain some things. The Templar jealousy thing also explains why he was so quick to befriend Hawke...aside from saving his life.

[LolaLei]

And who knows, perhaps after Meredith's demise Cullen had to deal with all her paperwork and belongings in her office, only to discover details of what she had really been planning, countless ignored reports from the mages and "good Templars" complaining about all the rapey goings-on and other bits 'n' pieces that make him realise just how out of the loop he really was.

R2, you should turn that into a one off story!

[SamaraDraven]

LMAO! Brush, I'll see your <_<<_<

LolaLei wrote...

Samara: I think you're probably onto something there. Perhaps initially she thought she could shape him into the "perfect Templar" but soon realised that he was beginning to question things, be that through her noticing changes in his behaviour/attitude to his work, or was pure paranoia that turned out to be correct is something we'll probably never know, however I think your right in saying he was kept in the dark about a lot of things.

I've always liked the concept that Cullen had been kept out of the loop from the very beginning, initially for being a Fereldan turnip, then later because the other Templars were jealous of his quick promotion through the ranks, and eventually because Meredith was bat sh!t insane and had always kept her motives to herself anyway.

In the end, I do think Meredith had pretty much forgotten that the knights weren't her personal robot army to do whatever she wanted. In her mind, it was the "Meredith's Glorious Purpose" show! lol! But before that, I think she was trusting Cullen with less. I suspect part of the reason she closed ranks and had Cullen telling Hawke they couldn't work together anymore was due, in part, to the effect Hawke was having on Cullen. That's a wild speculation on my part, of course, but I do think it's possible that Meredith saw what the outside perspective was doing to her knights and felt it was a threat to her stability in the Order because they were also the most seasoned and higher ranking - except for Keran - of her knights. Keran, Thrask, Emeric, Cullen... they all had dealings with Hawke. They all were less than ideal in their templar zeal to dominate mages. As she grew more paranoid, I think Meredith took their softer point of view to be a weakness and that they'd endanger the Order so, in her mind, the less they were trusted with, the better.

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

And who knows, perhaps after Meredith's demise Cullen had to deal with all her paperwork and belongings in her office, only to discover details of what she had really been planning, countless ignored reports from the mages and "good Templars" complaining about all the rapey goings-on and other bits 'n' pieces that make him realise just how out of the loop he really was.

R2, you should turn that into a one off story!

Oh Maker!!! Lola that's an amazing idea! :lol::happy:


Edit: Oops... double post. I has a no peektures...

So have a snippet of chapter 3 instead.


.oOo.oOo.oOo.



“So good of you to join us, Knight Captain,” Meredith said
coolly.

“I’m sorry, ser,” Cullen began, ready to deliver a carefully
crafted tale that was mostly truth with some omissions and a misleading context
but he was cut off by a wave of her hand.

“I know what you’ve been up to, knight.”

Cullen felt panic swell in his throat. “You do?”

“The mabari hair on your robe is a rather obvious giveaway,
Knight Captain,” Orsino chuckled at him. “There’s only one person in Kirkwall
who has one.”

Cullen glanced down at the golden hairs adorning his Chantry
robe, wondering how he could have missed that. He looked back to Orsino and his
knowing smirk and Cullen’s eyes widened comically. He whirled to face Meredith.
“It’s not what you think! I –”

“It’s not something I want to think about, Cullen,” Meredith
said sharply. “At least this is preferable to having the Knight Captain[/i] seen leaving the Rose. Save your excuses. I wasn’t
born yesterday and I know that all young men will seek to… entertain
themselves.”

Cullen felt a violent shade of red steal over his face,
making him appear as guilty as if he had done what she thought.

“In the future,” she went on. “I expect you to try harder at
being discreet. Wearing that crest around for your recreational activities…”
She tsked at him. “I expected better judgment from you most of all.”

He couldn’t help it. He apologized by reflex, still unable to
make his tongue form the statement that would set this right. He thought of
Hawke’s reputation and that almost freed his words but the Knight Commander had
one more thought for him.

“As long as this… dalliance doesn’t keep you from your post
again, I’ll let it slide but if you fail in your duty again, that duty will no
longer be a concern for you. This is the last I want to hear of this issue, is
that clear?”

He nodded absently, yelling at himself to get it together
but the chastised boy he felt like prevailed. “Yes. It won’t happen again.”

She studied him with a flinty glare. “Good. Now onto
business: Ser Varnell’s body was found missing this morning.”

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 16 mai 2013 - 05:20 .

[brushyourteeth]

SamaraDraven wrote...

LMAO! Brush, I'll see your <_<<_<

LolaLei wrote...

Samara: I think you're probably onto something there. Perhaps initially she thought she could shape him into the "perfect Templar" but soon realised that he was beginning to question things, be that through her noticing changes in his behaviour/attitude to his work, or was pure paranoia that turned out to be correct is something we'll probably never know, however I think your right in saying he was kept in the dark about a lot of things.

I've always liked the concept that Cullen had been kept out of the loop from the very beginning, initially for being a Fereldan turnip, then later because the other Templars were jealous of his quick promotion through the ranks, and eventually because Meredith was bat sh!t insane and had always kept her motives to herself anyway.

In the end, I do think Meredith had pretty much forgotten that the knights weren't her personal robot army to do whatever she wanted. In her mind, it was the "Meredith's Glorious Purpose" show! lol! But before that, I think she was trusting Cullen with less. I suspect part of the reason she closed ranks and had Cullen telling Hawke they couldn't work together anymore was due, in part, to the effect Hawke was having on Cullen. That's a wild speculation on my part, of course, but I do think it's possible that Meredith saw what the outside perspective was doing to her knights and felt it was a threat to her stability in the Order because they were also the most seasoned and higher ranking - except for Keran - of her knights. Keran, Thrask, Emeric, Cullen... they all had dealings with Hawke. They all were less than ideal in their templar zeal to dominate mages. As she grew more paranoid, I think Meredith took their softer point of view to be a weakness and that they'd endanger the Order so, in her mind, the less they were trusted with, the better.

Agree! Case in point: Elthina. Totally superfluous to Meredith's grand plans for the Order, and yet that's not AT ALL how the Maker supposedly wants things done. There was some serious ego happening there, and all I can say is that it's a great thing she went Templar instead of becoming a priest. 

Speaking of Keran, I'm sure you guys remember how the poor guy wasn't even making enough to support his sister. I feel like this needs to be addressed on the BSN. "Bioware! Let's talk about: fair minimum wage for Templars!" 

I kid, but it's just one more form of corruption you can add to the pile. These guys are going to be doing the Maker's work ™ and not even be able to get by on it? Child, please. *snaps fingers*

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 16 mai 2013 - 05:16 .

[LolaLei]

Samara: I totally forgot that Meredith had closed ranks to prevent outside help! It also makes me wonder if Cullen had hired other people to do the jobs he couldn't. That's one way of dealing with undesirables for sure! But I bet you're right on that part too, she stopped letting outsiders help because she didn't want other people possibly influencing her men and thought that perhaps some of them might be spies for the mages or something.

[LolaLei]

Well, Keran was a recruit, so it was probably like an apprentices wages in real life (which in the UK is ****** poor money, below minimum wage because you're still being trained). I dare say full Templar wages aren't all that fantastic either. Cullen was probably earning enough to stay a float though, I mean, what's he even gonna spend it on? A pair of chastity pants for every day of the week and a big stick to poke blood mages with? 

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 mai 2013 - 05:24 .

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

Samara: I totally forgot that Meredith had closed ranks to prevent outside help! It also makes me wonder if Cullen had hired other people to do the jobs he couldn't. That's one way of dealing with undesirables for sure! But I bet you're right on that part too, she stopped letting outsiders help because she didn't want other people possibly influencing her men and thought that perhaps some of them might be spies for the mages or something.

Would definitely make it easier to hide the hinky sh!t that was going on, for sure! And without an outside perspective, any decent templar has to trust his or her fellows - some of whom might be the very perpetuators of the crimes that need to be reported.

[LolaLei]

Was Cullen aware of Ser Alrik's tranquil solution? I can't quite remember, I think he said he'd heard something about it, didn't he? Which obviously means that neither of them had run it passed him and he'd just heard it through the grape vine.

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

Well, Keran was a recruit, so it was probably like an apprentices wages in real life (which in the UK is ****** poor money, below minimum wage because you're still being trained). I dare say full Templar wages aren't all that fantastic either. Cullen was probably earning enough to stay a float though, I mean, what's he even gonna spend it on? A pair of chastity pants for every day of the week and a big stick to poke blood mages with? 

I just... and then he said, what, that Keran will be watched closely and after a few years he might be made a full Templar (and maybe make enough money to live on, maybe)?

Come on, Chantry. Come ON.

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

Was Cullen aware of Ser Alrik's tranquil solution? I can't quite remember, I think he said he'd heard something about it, didn't he? Which obviously means that neither of them had run it passed him and he'd just heard it through the grape vine.

He may have. At that time even Meredith was against it, so it might have been something they discussed?

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Well, Keran was a recruit, so it was probably like an apprentices wages in real life (which in the UK is ****** poor money, below minimum wage because you're still being trained). I dare say full Templar wages aren't all that fantastic either. Cullen was probably earning enough to stay a float though, I mean, what's he even gonna spend it on? A pair of chastity pants for every day of the week and a big stick to poke blood mages with? 

I just... and then he said, what, that Keran will be watched closely and after a few years he might be made a full Templar (and maybe make enough money to live on, maybe)?

Come on, Chantry. Come ON.

Yep, 10 whole years before he can get a full knighthood, although hopefully they'd do something about his pay. Keran can't die can he? 

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

Was Cullen aware of Ser Alrik's tranquil solution? I can't quite remember, I think he said he'd heard something about it, didn't he? Which obviously means that neither of them had run it passed him and he'd just heard it through the grape vine.

I think I recall him saying he'd heard of it but his thought about it was that it was ridiculous. Ridiculous in that it wasn't the right way to deal with mages and ridiculous in that he didn't believe any knight would come up with such a plan and he believed it to be a vicious rumor started by mages. At least... that's the gist I recall having when he spoke of it. But again, it's been awhile since I've played so I'm not sure.

Edit: Where did Twice A Lady go?

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 16 mai 2013 - 05:33 .

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Was Cullen aware of Ser Alrik's tranquil solution? I can't quite remember, I think he said he'd heard something about it, didn't he? Which obviously means that neither of them had run it passed him and he'd just heard it through the grape vine.

He may have. At that time even Meredith was against it, so it might have been something they discussed?

Yeah, maybe Meredith was like "naw, too soon" and Cullen was like "meh, nothing to worry about then!" I wonder if she'd always planned to secretly bump off a sh!t load of mages if they ever decided to rebel, rather than just turning them all tranquil. Maybe that's why she was so hard on them, to see how long she could bend them before they would try to fight back, then she could kill the majority of them.

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Was Cullen aware of Ser Alrik's tranquil solution? I can't quite remember, I think he said he'd heard something about it, didn't he? Which obviously means that neither of them had run it passed him and he'd just heard it through the grape vine.

He may have. At that time even Meredith was against it, so it might have been something they discussed?

Yeah, maybe Meredith was like "naw, too soon" and Cullen was like "meh, nothing to worry about then!" I wonder if she'd always planned to secretly bump off a sh!t load of mages if they ever decided to rebel, rather than just turning them all tranquil. Maybe that's why she was so hard on them, to see how long she could bend them before they would try to fight back, then she could kill the majority of them.

Um... :blink:

That's a very sadistic possibility. I wouldn't put it past Meredith.She'd love to be able to say "I had no choice!" The idol could have been driving her to it. It wanted the bloodshed and knew Meredith's fears and bloodlust and preyed on them so that she would in turn wreak death and destruction on the mages.

[Jean]

LolaLei wrote...

Well, Keran was a recruit, so it was probably like an apprentices wages in real life (which in the UK is ****** poor money, below minimum wage because you're still being trained). I dare say full Templar wages aren't all that fantastic either. Cullen was probably earning enough to stay a float though, I mean, what's he even gonna spend it on? A pair of chastity pants for every day of the week and a big stick to poke blood mages with? 

Maybe he buys expensive Orlesian plates?

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Was Cullen aware of Ser Alrik's tranquil solution? I can't quite remember, I think he said he'd heard something about it, didn't he? Which obviously means that neither of them had run it passed him and he'd just heard it through the grape vine.

He may have. At that time even Meredith was against it, so it might have been something they discussed?

Yeah, maybe Meredith was like "naw, too soon" and Cullen was like "meh, nothing to worry about then!" I wonder if she'd always planned to secretly bump off a sh!t load of mages if they ever decided to rebel, rather than just turning them all tranquil. Maybe that's why she was so hard on them, to see how long she could bend them before they would try to fight back, then she could kill the majority of them.

She did definitely seem to possess a "Go ahead - I dare you to defy me" attitude.

And even if she'd supported the Tranquil solution, it would still go against the grain of Chantry policy and get her into trouble. Of course she ends up bending the rules later, but who knows how badly she'd deteriorated or if she'd had the idol by then.

Though a couple of super-efficient Tranquil servants are a whole lot more valuable than a pile of dead mages. Not that the citizenry of Kirkwall seemed to care much.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 16 mai 2013 - 05:41 .

[LolaLei]

Batteries wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Well, Keran was a recruit, so it was probably like an apprentices wages in real life (which in the UK is ****** poor money, below minimum wage because you're still being trained). I dare say full Templar wages aren't all that fantastic either. Cullen was probably earning enough to stay a float though, I mean, what's he even gonna spend it on? A pair of chastity pants for every day of the week and a big stick to poke blood mages with? 

Maybe he buys expensive Orlesian plates?

I bet that didn't work out too well for him after those giant statues stomped all over the Gallows courtyard! 

[brushyourteeth]

Batteries wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Well, Keran was a recruit, so it was probably like an apprentices wages in real life (which in the UK is ****** poor money, below minimum wage because you're still being trained). I dare say full Templar wages aren't all that fantastic either. Cullen was probably earning enough to stay a float though, I mean, what's he even gonna spend it on? A pair of chastity pants for every day of the week and a big stick to poke blood mages with? 

Maybe he buys expensive Orlesian plates?

Headcanon'd! 

[LolaLei]

"Oh Maker, everything I love gets smashed into tiny pieces! Just like my heart... and my expensive Orlesian decorative plates!" *Sobs uncontrollably*

[Jean]

LolaLei wrote...

Batteries wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Well, Keran was a recruit, so it was probably like an apprentices wages in real life (which in the UK is ****** poor money, below minimum wage because you're still being trained). I dare say full Templar wages aren't all that fantastic either. Cullen was probably earning enough to stay a float though, I mean, what's he even gonna spend it on? A pair of chastity pants for every day of the week and a big stick to poke blood mages with? 

Maybe he buys expensive Orlesian plates?

I bet that didn't work out too well for him after those giant statues stomped all over the Gallows courtyard! 

I bet they were shiny.

all the more reason to doubt the order