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[R2s Muse]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Thanks, I'm glad to hear it! I was getting ready to hand in my gallery of Cullen in fur boots, but it would have killed me to do so...

Also, brushyourteeth, I agree that I shouldn't have written that we discussed his relative hotness. I was trying to be funny (everyone knows Cullen's hotness is absolute).  But I wasn't thinking that people might actually believe you/we talk about nothing else here, I'm starting to realize I've been naive.

Heya Commander Kurt, thanks for stopping by... and I should have followed up on my retraction of internet cookies. I'm sorry! Just couldn't stand reading that thread any more. To be honest... I'm afraid *I* thought you were throwing us under the bus, like all the other  crazy fangirl haters who sometimes stop by just to provoke a reaction from us... then want to go gloat elsewhere about how now they have proof that we're all psychotically drooling over a mass murderer, blinded by his good looks and creepy obsession over his detainees. So, I misunderstood your comment in the other thread about coming to talk to us and discussing (only?) how hot he is. Mea culpa.

So is it too late to re-extend my cookies...? What if Cullen bakes them...?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

And who knows, perhaps after Meredith's demise Cullen had to deal with all her paperwork and belongings in her office, only to discover details of what she had really been planning, countless ignored reports from the mages and "good Templars" complaining about all the rapey goings-on and other bits 'n' pieces that make him realise just how out of the loop he really was.

R2, you should turn that into a one off story!

I like this idea. I'm really fascinated now about his relationship with Meredith... must explore...

[neonmoth]

I just wanted to stop by and say that I love how classy you were in the recent "why fans like Cullen" thread... I don't visit DA boards very often so I had no idea that Cullen fans were frequently "harassed" around here. *jumps on your side of barricade*

I thought that his role in fMage origins added extra depth to the story and made it more personal (whether I chose my warden to reciprocate his crush or to resent it). I also find his character development very fitting in DA2, since the story resolves around mage/templar problem. I like how we had a first hand experience of his past (i.e. we know why his attitudes might be shaped the way they are) and I always perceived him as very conflicted. This probably reflects my concerns regarding mage/templar problem. I am primarily mage supporter, make pro-mage decisions but I don't think letting them go rampart is the ideal solution. *is a bit lost here* When faced with complex issue it is easier to just follow the orders, especially that Cullen had a rather traumatic experience with how destructive magic can be when gets out of control.

I would like to see him as a follower, though when it comes to being LI I am torn. Somehow I like him unshagable unromanceable, but I guess everything depends on how he's written.

This is just my two cents :0

[neonmoth]

Batteries wrote...

I had no idea that THIS is what he's hiding under his armor-skirt combo... How can I look at him now with a straight face? Hilarious!

Modifié par neonmoth, 16 mai 2013 - 01:13 .

[R2s Muse]

LOL Welcome neonmoth and thanks for your kind words! Yeah I think Cullen could provide a unique set of eyes through which we could view the coming Mage-Templar debate, since he probably doesn't think mages should be completely free oversight. So then what, if there are no Circles?

Modifié par R2s Muse, 16 mai 2013 - 02:06 .

[R2s Muse]

Batteries wrote...

So if Cullen turns up in DA3 wearing an outfit similar to the one we've seen in the leaked concept art... I'm going to have a hard time fixating on anything else but "legs. you have legs. did you always have legs?"

I know. I think that's part of why this one seems to perpetually crack me up... Not only legs... but chicken legs at that. LOL

[neonmoth]

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL Welcome neonmoth and thanks for your kind words! Yeah I think Cullen could provide a unique set of eyes through which we could view the coming Mage-Templar debate, since he probably doesn't think mages should be completely free oversight. So then what, if there are no Circles?

Severely edited post follows:

Since the DA Inquisition is about the civil war between Templars and mages and the former lost their purpose in maintaining Circles, will they become mage hunters? Where it would place Cullen? I guess Cullen might be forced to fight mages unless he will go rogue himself...

And where would it place my mage protagonist? *sorry for replying with questions to your question*

...of course I might be completely delusional and uniformed *started digging some more info on DA3*

Modifié par neonmoth, 16 mai 2013 - 03:11 .

[neonmoth]

duhh, I obviously tend to hit quote instead of edit

Modifié par neonmoth, 16 mai 2013 - 02:52 .

[Twice a Lady]

R2s Muse wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Does anyone have a link to that interview Gaider had with a fan?

I don't know if sweet is a word I'd use to describe him. Unless maybe he saves and raises homeless kittens and puppies during his off hours or something?

Wow... I'm two pages late, but anyway...


http://dragonage.wik...ia_to_a_Fangirl


She was just paraphrasing and called him reasonable. It's the Thedas UK interview where Gaider calls him "a good man."  He also flat out says Cullen represents the templars who are not rapists and bad guys.


http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

it's nice to see it confirmed by Gaider that Cullen is at his core, a good, decent man. Too bad this isn't enough to quash the unsightly speculations about him. I, for one am all for having a fairly normal, good man join my party whether it is Cullen or not (though I'd prefer Cullen since the ground work has already been laid). Don't get me wrong, I love Anders and Fenris immensely, but it'd be nice to have a more morally ground, polite character. It always bothered me the horrible things Fenris would say to Merrill or that Anders was all for Fenris being taken back into slavery. Those are black marks in my books on their attitude. I'd like to think that after DA2 we've seen that Cullen can be reasonable and consider both sides of a situation before coming to a conclusion about things.

[R2s Muse]

neonmoth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL Welcome neonmoth and thanks for your kind words! Yeah I think Cullen could provide a unique set of eyes through which we could view the coming Mage-Templar debate, since he probably doesn't think mages should be completely free oversight. So then what, if there are no Circles?

Severely edited post follows:

Since the DA Inquisition is about the civil war between Templars and mages and the former lost their purpose in maintaining Circles, will they become mage hunters? Where it would place Cullen? I guess Cullen might be forced to fight mages unless he will go rogue himself...

And where would it place my mage protagonist? *sorry for replying with questions to your question*

...of course I might be completely delusional and uniformed *started digging some more info on DA3*

LOL Of course, we don't know what DA3 will really be about, but they have said it will feature the mage-templar war. I personally see the newly independent templars and Seekers as mage hunters, aiming to deal with the mages as they "see fit" according to Lambert, which is why I (and many here on the thread) also doubt that Cullen would be a party to it. Of course, we have no idea what situation he'll be in come 9:40, or even if he's still a templar.   But, after his efforts in DA2 to come to terms with what he believes "the Order stands for" I don't see him having an easy time with a fundamental change in what that Order stands for. Whether that means quitting the Order, staying loyal to the Divine, turning double-agent with the new Order, or what have you, is anyone's guess.

[R2s Muse]

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Does anyone have a link to that interview Gaider had with a fan?

I don't know if sweet is a word I'd use to describe him. Unless maybe he saves and raises homeless kittens and puppies during his off hours or something?

Wow... I'm two pages late, but anyway...


http://dragonage.wik...ia_to_a_Fangirl


She was just paraphrasing and called him reasonable. It's the Thedas UK interview where Gaider calls him "a good man."  He also flat out says Cullen represents the templars who are not rapists and bad guys.


http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

it's nice to see it confirmed by Gaider that Cullen is at his core, a good, decent man. Too bad this isn't enough to quash the unsightly speculations about him. I, for one am all for having a fairly normal, good man join my party whether it is Cullen or not (though I'd prefer Cullen since the ground work has already been laid). Don't get me wrong, I love Anders and Fenris immensely, but it'd be nice to have a more morally ground, polite character. It always bothered me the horrible things Fenris would say to Merrill or that Anders was all for Fenris being taken back into slavery. Those are black marks in my books on their attitude. I'd like to think that after DA2 we've seen that Cullen can be reasonable and consider both sides of a situation before coming to a conclusion about things.

I'm also interested to see someone so... boring(?) added to our party. LOL And, of course, I say that fondly. I think it would be something new, as you say, to have someone sort of upstanding and polite in your party, but who is also a bit of a hot head about some issues *ahem*blood mages*ahem.

I also have imagined some fun scenarios for how his background with following a chain of command would work with a young whipper snapper like our new PC. Or rather... not work, as the case may be.

[neonmoth]

^^ Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

Anyway, I was just thinking that it would be very hard for Cullen to completely abandon Templars (since he is so dutiful and served the order for many years), he may still believe that there is a place for a voice of reason within their structures. Though I guess if they developed into ruthless mage hunters he might find it unbearable and leave (and there is a nice potential for a story). I also like the idea of him working undercover.

I'm crap at speculating...

Modifié par neonmoth, 16 mai 2013 - 04:54 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Does anyone have a link to that interview Gaider had with a fan?

I don't know if sweet is a word I'd use to describe him. Unless maybe he saves and raises homeless kittens and puppies during his off hours or something?

Wow... I'm two pages late, but anyway...


http://dragonage.wik...ia_to_a_Fangirl


She was just paraphrasing and called him reasonable. It's the Thedas UK interview where Gaider calls him "a good man."  He also flat out says Cullen represents the templars who are not rapists and bad guys.


http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

it's nice to see it confirmed by Gaider that Cullen is at his core, a good, decent man. Too bad this isn't enough to quash the unsightly speculations about him. I, for one am all for having a fairly normal, good man join my party whether it is Cullen or not (though I'd prefer Cullen since the ground work has already been laid). Don't get me wrong, I love Anders and Fenris immensely, but it'd be nice to have a more morally ground, polite character. It always bothered me the horrible things Fenris would say to Merrill or that Anders was all for Fenris being taken back into slavery. Those are black marks in my books on their attitude. I'd like to think that after DA2 we've seen that Cullen can be reasonable and consider both sides of a situation before coming to a conclusion about things.

I'm also interested to see someone so... boring(?) added to our party. LOL And, of course, I say that fondly. I think it would be something new, as you say, to have someone sort of upstanding and polite in your party, but who is also a bit of a hot head about some issues *ahem*blood mages*ahem.

I also have imagined some fun scenarios for how his background with following a chain of command would work with a young whipper snapper like our new PC. Or rather... not work, as the case may be.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure no one intentionally tries to be boring lol. However, he's been stuck in the Order for years doing not-fun stuff, so I imagine he doesn't really have much life experience. Although, potentially that could turn out to be highly amusing when it comes to him experiences new cultures etc.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Does anyone have a link to that interview Gaider had with a fan?

I don't know if sweet is a word I'd use to describe him. Unless maybe he saves and raises homeless kittens and puppies during his off hours or something?

Wow... I'm two pages late, but anyway...


http://dragonage.wik...ia_to_a_Fangirl


She was just paraphrasing and called him reasonable. It's the Thedas UK interview where Gaider calls him "a good man."  He also flat out says Cullen represents the templars who are not rapists and bad guys.


http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

it's nice to see it confirmed by Gaider that Cullen is at his core, a good, decent man. Too bad this isn't enough to quash the unsightly speculations about him. I, for one am all for having a fairly normal, good man join my party whether it is Cullen or not (though I'd prefer Cullen since the ground work has already been laid). Don't get me wrong, I love Anders and Fenris immensely, but it'd be nice to have a more morally ground, polite character. It always bothered me the horrible things Fenris would say to Merrill or that Anders was all for Fenris being taken back into slavery. Those are black marks in my books on their attitude. I'd like to think that after DA2 we've seen that Cullen can be reasonable and consider both sides of a situation before coming to a conclusion about things.

I'm also interested to see someone so... boring(?) added to our party. LOL And, of course, I say that fondly. I think it would be something new, as you say, to have someone sort of upstanding and polite in your party, but who is also a bit of a hot head about some issues *ahem*blood mages*ahem.

I also have imagined some fun scenarios for how his background with following a chain of command would work with a young whipper snapper like our new PC. Or rather... not work, as the case may be.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure no one intentionally tries to be boring lol. However, he's been stuck in the Order for years doing not-fun stuff, so I imagine he doesn't really have much life experience. Although, potentially that could turn out to be highly amusing when it comes to him experiences new cultures etc.

Indeed! Still hoping for that Fereldan orange ref!

[LolaLei]

I'm kinda expecting him to lack tolerance for some races, like the Qunari and Dwarves etc. I could imagine him kinda starting out like a grump slightly racist old guy who gradually becomes more tolerant.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

I'm kinda expecting him to lack tolerance for some races, like the Qunari and Dwarves etc. I could imagine him kinda starting out like a grump slightly racist old guy who gradually becomes more tolerant.

I expect a little of this too, like how he calls Oghren an "ignorant cave dwelling heathen." I could see it particularly taking a religious turn, as he's not down with non Andrasteans.

[Commander Kurt]

Newschmoo wrote...

Hopefully they will make up for that by giving him more time in DA3 to help fill in some of those gaps :-) !

I agree, but I guess a whole lot of people will cry retcon no matter how the dev's write him.

R2s Muse wrote...

So is it too late to re-extend my cookies...? What if Cullen bakes them...?

...wait. You can make him do that? Poor Alistair would get blown out of the water (roses are for amateurs after all).

neonmoth wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I had no idea that THIS is what he's hiding under his armor-skirt combo... How can I look at him now with a straight face? Hilarious!

This should have been posted in the "Why is Cullen so popular?"-thread. 'Nuff said.

[Commander Kurt]

neonmoth wrote...

^^ Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

Anyway, I was just thinking that it would be very hard for Cullen to completely abandon Templars (since he is so dutiful and served the order for many years), he may still believe that there is a place for a voice of reason within their structures. Though I guess if they developed into ruthless mage hunters he might find it unbearable and leave (and there is a nice potential for a story). I also like the idea of him working undercover.

I'm crap at speculating...

It might not be up to him, I would actually be surprised if they let him stay after turning on his boss. Sure, it was justified, but a chain-of-command doesn't work that way (couldn't work that way).

This would also explain why he turns on her no matter what (even when Hawke is a templar murdering blood mage), freeing him up for future plans.

[R2s Muse]

Commander Kurt wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

^^ Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

Anyway, I was just thinking that it would be very hard for Cullen to completely abandon Templars (since he is so dutiful and served the order for many years), he may still believe that there is a place for a voice of reason within their structures. Though I guess if they developed into ruthless mage hunters he might find it unbearable and leave (and there is a nice potential for a story). I also like the idea of him working undercover.

I'm crap at speculating...

It might not be up to him, I would actually be surprised if they let him stay after turning on his boss. Sure, it was justified, but a chain-of-command doesn't work that way (couldn't work that way).

This would also explain why he turns on her no matter what (even when Hawke is a templar murdering blood mage), freeing him up for future plans.

...and why he's plotshielded during the final battle. Whatever the plan, Jennifer Hepler once said that they already knew what happened to him after Meredith died. I just hope we get to find out what...

[Twice a Lady]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Does anyone have a link to that interview Gaider had with a fan?

I don't know if sweet is a word I'd use to describe him. Unless maybe he saves and raises homeless kittens and puppies during his off hours or something?

Wow... I'm two pages late, but anyway...


http://dragonage.wik...ia_to_a_Fangirl


She was just paraphrasing and called him reasonable. It's the Thedas UK interview where Gaider calls him "a good man."  He also flat out says Cullen represents the templars who are not rapists and bad guys.


http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

it's nice to see it confirmed by Gaider that Cullen is at his core, a good, decent man. Too bad this isn't enough to quash the unsightly speculations about him. I, for one am all for having a fairly normal, good man join my party whether it is Cullen or not (though I'd prefer Cullen since the ground work has already been laid). Don't get me wrong, I love Anders and Fenris immensely, but it'd be nice to have a more morally ground, polite character. It always bothered me the horrible things Fenris would say to Merrill or that Anders was all for Fenris being taken back into slavery. Those are black marks in my books on their attitude. I'd like to think that after DA2 we've seen that Cullen can be reasonable and consider both sides of a situation before coming to a conclusion about things.

I'm also interested to see someone so... boring(?) added to our party. LOL And, of course, I say that fondly. I think it would be something new, as you say, to have someone sort of upstanding and polite in your party, but who is also a bit of a hot head about some issues *ahem*blood mages*ahem.

I also have imagined some fun scenarios for how his background with following a chain of command would work with a young whipper snapper like our new PC. Or rather... not work, as the case may be.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure no one intentionally tries to be boring lol. However, he's been stuck in the Order for years doing not-fun stuff, so I imagine he doesn't really have much life experience. Although, potentially that could turn out to be highly amusing when it comes to him experiences new cultures etc.

Indeed! Still hoping for that Fereldan orange ref!

I don't want to call him boring per say, he does have a lot going for him and I'm sure getting him to talk about his life expereiences (not just his tragedies) will make him an interesting character (and I honestly expect him to have dry sense of humour a la Sten), I guess what I'm trying to say is it'd be nice to have a romanceable character that doesn't throw their bad experiences and baggage in everyone's face all the time *coughAnders&Fenriscough* (don't hit me! I really do love them both) or come off as incredibly preachy *cough Sebastiancough*. I felt like Origins played on people's pasts a lot better, both Alistair and Zev had traumatic experiences but I didn't feel like it was all they ever talked about. Again this could have felt the opposite with DA2 because the game was rushed and there just wasn't time to flesh the dialogue out like in Origins.

[Twice a Lady]

R2s Muse wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

^^ Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

Anyway, I was just thinking that it would be very hard for Cullen to completely abandon Templars (since he is so dutiful and served the order for many years), he may still believe that there is a place for a voice of reason within their structures. Though I guess if they developed into ruthless mage hunters he might find it unbearable and leave (and there is a nice potential for a story). I also like the idea of him working undercover.

I'm crap at speculating...

It might not be up to him, I would actually be surprised if they let him stay after turning on his boss. Sure, it was justified, but a chain-of-command doesn't work that way (couldn't work that way).

This would also explain why he turns on her no matter what (even when Hawke is a templar murdering blood mage), freeing him up for future plans.

...and why he's plotshielded during the final battle. Whatever the plan, Jennifer Hepler once said that they already knew what happened to him after Meredith died. I just hope we get to find out what...

I'd like to think we do get to find out what happens to him. It makes sense as to why he was plotshielded and if the writers already said aloud that they know his fate it seems odd that it wouldn't be shared somewhere, if not in the game franchise, then perhaps the books or comics.

[meanieweenie]

Twice a Lady wrote...
*snippity snip snip*
I don't want to call him boring per say, he does have a lot going for him and I'm sure getting him to talk about his life expereiences (not just his tragedies) will make him an interesting character (and I honestly expect him to have dry sense of humour a la Sten), I guess what I'm trying to say is it'd be nice to have a romanceable character that doesn't throw their bad experiences and baggage in everyone's face all the time *coughAnders&Fenriscough* (don't hit me! I really do love them both) or come off as incredibly preachy *cough Sebastiancough*. I felt like Origins played on people's pasts a lot better, both Alistair and Zev had traumatic experiences but I didn't feel like it was all they ever talked about. Again this could have felt the opposite with DA2 because the game was rushed and there just wasn't time to flesh the dialogue out like in Origins.

I agree this .... I don't mind if a character has baggage. I wouldn't even mind if there was one companion who came across as such or even preachy. One. Ultimately however, the best case scenario for Cullen (my opinion) would be for him to have his sh!t together enough not to have it all out there all the time. Maybe a few good heart to heart chats or perhaps one big blow up so we get how deep his issue is. I'd prefer it not to override his entire plotline though, if he gets one.

[LolaLei]

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

^^ Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

Anyway, I was just thinking that it would be very hard for Cullen to completely abandon Templars (since he is so dutiful and served the order for many years), he may still believe that there is a place for a voice of reason within their structures. Though I guess if they developed into ruthless mage hunters he might find it unbearable and leave (and there is a nice potential for a story). I also like the idea of him working undercover.

I'm crap at speculating...

It might not be up to him, I would actually be surprised if they let him stay after turning on his boss. Sure, it was justified, but a chain-of-command doesn't work that way (couldn't work that way).

This would also explain why he turns on her no matter what (even when Hawke is a templar murdering blood mage), freeing him up for future plans.

...and why he's plotshielded during the final battle. Whatever the plan, Jennifer Hepler once said that they already knew what happened to him after Meredith died. I just hope we get to find out what...

I'd like to think we do get to find out what happens to him. It makes sense as to why he was plotshielded and if the writers already said aloud that they know his fate it seems odd that it wouldn't be shared somewhere, if not in the game franchise, then perhaps the books or comics.

Well, we know he's gonna be in the game in some capacity so in theory he'd at least briefly mention how he came to be in the situation we find him in (whatever that may be). 

[Twice a Lady]

meanieweenie wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...
*snippity snip snip*
I don't want to call him boring per say, he does have a lot going for him and I'm sure getting him to talk about his life expereiences (not just his tragedies) will make him an interesting character (and I honestly expect him to have dry sense of humour a la Sten), I guess what I'm trying to say is it'd be nice to have a romanceable character that doesn't throw their bad experiences and baggage in everyone's face all the time *coughAnders&Fenriscough* (don't hit me! I really do love them both) or come off as incredibly preachy *cough Sebastiancough*. I felt like Origins played on people's pasts a lot better, both Alistair and Zev had traumatic experiences but I didn't feel like it was all they ever talked about. Again this could have felt the opposite with DA2 because the game was rushed and there just wasn't time to flesh the dialogue out like in Origins.

I agree this .... I don't mind if a character has baggage. I wouldn't even mind if there was one companion who came across as such or even preachy. One. Ultimately however, the best case scenario for Cullen (my opinion) would be for him to have his sh!t together enough not to have it all out there all the time. Maybe a few good heart to heart chats or perhaps one big blow up so we get how deep his issue is. I'd prefer it not to override his entire plotline though, if he gets one.

Agreed. I don't mind a little drama, but most of the DA2 party members were just teeming with it the majority of the time and I'm not entirely convinced any of them even overcame their issues by the end of the game.

[CuriousArtemis]

Twice a Lady wrote...

I don't want to call him boring per say, he does have a lot going for him and I'm sure getting him to talk about his life expereiences (not just his tragedies) will make him an interesting character (and I honestly expect him to have dry sense of humour a la Sten), I guess what I'm trying to say is it'd be nice to have a romanceable character that doesn't throw their bad experiences and baggage in everyone's face all the time *coughAnders&Fenriscough* (don't hit me! I really do love them both) or come off as incredibly preachy *cough Sebastiancough*. I felt like Origins played on people's pasts a lot better, both Alistair and Zev had traumatic experiences but I didn't feel like it was all they ever talked about. Again this could have felt the opposite with DA2 because the game was rushed and there just wasn't time to flesh the dialogue out like in Origins.

I don't think Cullen would be at all boring; he has had some extremely trauamtizing experiences, and I would expect these experiences to influence his decisions and his personality in DA3.

I certainly would not characterize Anders and Fenris as having "baggage"; Fenris was enslaved for god's sake and tortured mercilessly (possibly sexually abused); and Anders of course had his own horrific past and the terrible decision he made to merge with Justice.

So while Cullen has not merged with a demon nor has he ever been enslaved, he has certainly had his fair share of trauma. 

You could throw Zevran into this group; he led an extremely traumatizing and difficult life before meeting the Warden; his method of coping is simply different from Fenris' or Anders'. But yes Zevran is pretty messed up, I would say. Poor dear!

Alistair probably qualifies as "boring"; sure, he was forced to live in a cloister, basically, as a young child but I wouldn't say he had a bad upbringing (unless I'm missing something). Not at least when compared to some of the others.

I would say the most boring companion we've ever had would have to be Aveline. That said, I do still love her.