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motomotogirl wrote...

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I don't want to call him boring per say, he does have a lot going for him and I'm sure getting him to talk about his life expereiences (not just his tragedies) will make him an interesting character (and I honestly expect him to have dry sense of humour a la Sten), I guess what I'm trying to say is it'd be nice to have a romanceable character that doesn't throw their bad experiences and baggage in everyone's face all the time *coughAnders&Fenriscough* (don't hit me! I really do love them both) or come off as incredibly preachy *cough Sebastiancough*. I felt like Origins played on people's pasts a lot better, both Alistair and Zev had traumatic experiences but I didn't feel like it was all they ever talked about. Again this could have felt the opposite with DA2 because the game was rushed and there just wasn't time to flesh the dialogue out like in Origins.


I don't think Cullen would be at all boring; he has had some extremely trauamtizing experiences, and I would expect these experiences to influence his decisions and his personality in DA3.

I certainly would not characterize Anders and Fenris as having "baggage"; Fenris was enslaved for god's sake and tortured mercilessly (possibly sexually abused); and Anders of course had his own horrific past and the terrible decision he made to merge with Justice.

So while Cullen has not merged with a demon nor has he ever been enslaved, he has certainly had his fair share of trauma. 

You could throw Zevran into this group; he led an extremely traumatizing and difficult life before meeting the Warden; his method of coping is simply different from Fenris' or Anders'. But yes Zevran is pretty messed up, I would say. Poor dear!

Alistair probably qualifies as "boring"; sure, he was forced to live in a cloister, basically, as a young child but I wouldn't say he had a bad upbringing (unless I'm missing something). Not at least when compared to some of the others.

I would say the most boring companion we've ever had would have to be Aveline. That said, I do still love her. 

Baggage to me is any unresolved issue from the past that a character has not been able to get past or come to terms with and it affects to the point of hindering how they live in the present. I think both Anders and Fenris have this, as well as Alistair and Zev, but it was displayed differently. I feel like Zev and Alistair have come to terms with their past, accepted it and moved on throughout the game. Even from what we see of Cullen in DA2, he seems to have come to terms with his past and has accepted that these things happened and has moved on.

To me, Anders and Fenris seem to hold their traumas closely and it's a battle of wills for them to let go of things or open up to other trains of thought. Granted I realize that Fenris has the most tragic backstory short of Sgt. Calhoun, so it makes sense to me that his issues take more work, and honestly by the end of the game, his story seems the most complete to me and he appears to be on the road to recovery. I never really feel like Anders was given that closure. The closest was a rivalmance with him where he begins admitting things have gone horribly wrong.

I have yet to meet a Bioware character that I find truly boring, though Sebastian comes pretty close, still there is enough of a spark in him that keeps my interest. I never thought of Aveline as boring, just more grounded (Yay! that's the word I've been looking for!) than the rest, and I do love her too!

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LOL I should probably fess up to having chosen the word boring, which isn't very precise of me! Obviously, my participation in this thread demonstrates that I don't find him remotely boring. I suppose some other better words are: grounded (thanks, Twice a Lady!), staid, stalwart, polite, conservative. And, issues, indeed he'll have them, galore. But I also imagine something calming about having him in our party.

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R2s Muse wrote...

LOL I should probably fess up to having chosen the word boring, which isn't very precise of me! Obviously, my participation in this thread demonstrates that I don't find him remotely boring. I suppose some other better words are: grounded (thanks, Twice a Lady!), staid, stalwart, polite, conservative. And, issues, indeed he'll have them, galore. But I also imagine something calming about having him in our party.

Every character has issues, I suppose it's how the character is portrayed with them that really matters.
I'd like a nice balance of characters' issues and their dealings with them.

BTW, I am quite fond of 'stalwart'.

Modifié par Twice a Lady, 16 mai 2013 - 07:54 .


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Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL I should probably fess up to having chosen the word boring, which isn't very precise of me! Obviously, my participation in this thread demonstrates that I don't find him remotely boring. I suppose some other better words are: grounded (thanks, Twice a Lady!), staid, stalwart, polite, conservative. And, issues, indeed he'll have them, galore. But I also imagine something calming about having him in our party.

Every character has issues, I suppose it's how the character is portrayed with them that really matters.
I'd like a nice balance of characters' issues and their dealings with them.

BTW, I am quite fond of 'stalwart'.

LMVAO. I love it! I just wrote a joke about that being an attractive trait in a templar in my latest Cullen story. So that makes me chortle. :D

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I think I just like well-written characters (which of course so far includes all DA:O and DA2 companions ... though I may push Leliana and Sebastian to the far edge of "well-written" LOL Leliana for bizarre personal reasons because for some reason I just don't like her; Sebastian, well, there was so much potential and still is...).

I really liked Fenris needing Hawke's help so badly. I enjoyed interacting with this truly damaged character. Conversely, I would enjoy interacting with someone who really does have his/her sh!t together. I'm cool with both, so long as they're great characters.

I personally think though that while Cullen may be very stalwart and such (yes I also like that word lol) he will have some huge issues of his own he'll bring to the party.

EDIT: I should add that unlike Fenris, he will resist being helped, and would never go to the PC for help the way Fenris did... unless they make it a plot-moving device; him having to go to the PC so that the quest will begin...).

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R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL I should probably fess up to having chosen the word boring, which isn't very precise of me! Obviously, my participation in this thread demonstrates that I don't find him remotely boring. I suppose some other better words are: grounded (thanks, Twice a Lady!), staid, stalwart, polite, conservative. And, issues, indeed he'll have them, galore. But I also imagine something calming about having him in our party.

Every character has issues, I suppose it's how the character is portrayed with them that really matters.
I'd like a nice balance of characters' issues and their dealings with them.

BTW, I am quite fond of 'stalwart'.

LMVAO. I love it! I just wrote a joke about that being an attractive trait in a templar in my latest Cullen story. So that makes me chortle. :D

I kind of really want to use it in a random sentence today, but I fear it will too forced if I try. Posted Image

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motomotogirl wrote...

EDIT: I should add that unlike Fenris, he will resist being helped, and would never go to the PC for help the way Fenris did... unless they make it a plot-moving device; him having to go to the PC so that the quest will begin...).

Yes! Love this idea. Could definitely see him being the "I do it myself!" type... sort of like a 4-year old I know... ahem.

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Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL I should probably fess up to having chosen the word boring, which isn't very precise of me! Obviously, my participation in this thread demonstrates that I don't find him remotely boring. I suppose some other better words are: grounded (thanks, Twice a Lady!), staid, stalwart, polite, conservative. And, issues, indeed he'll have them, galore. But I also imagine something calming about having him in our party.

Every character has issues, I suppose it's how the character is portrayed with them that really matters.
I'd like a nice balance of characters' issues and their dealings with them.

BTW, I am quite fond of 'stalwart'.

LMVAO. I love it! I just wrote a joke about that being an attractive trait in a templar in my latest Cullen story. So that makes me chortle. :D

I kind of really want to use it in a random sentence today, but I fear it will too forced if I try. Posted Image

LOL Do it!

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If he is excluded from the Order I can imagine him going through a major life crisis, since it was an important part of his life to identify himself as a Templar. He would then have to built his life from scratch. I agree that the idea of him searching for some peace and solitude might be tempting but in the wake of the war (and whatever developers have dropped on Thedas) his sense of duty would probably prevail.

As for "I do it myself" kind of guy, I can imagine that since he always struck me as a "I need to maintain control of myself/situation" (admittedly he had moments when he lost it... but hey, he's only a human).

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neonmoth wrote...

If he is excluded from the Order I can imagine him going through a major life crisis, since it was an important part of his life to identify himself as a Templar. He would then have to built his life from scratch. I agree that the idea of him searching for some peace and solitude might be tempting but in the wake of the war (and whatever developers have dropped on Thedas) his sense of duty would probably prevail.

As for "I do it myself" kind of guy, I can imagine that since he always struck me as a "I need to maintain control of myself/situation" (admittedly he had moments when he lost it... but hey, he's only a human).


I suppose it would depend at what time he got excluded from the Order. If it was shortly after Meredith died then he's probably gutted, if it happened around the time when the Asunder novel happened, or he left of his own accord, then he'd probably consider that as lucky.

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LolaLei wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

If he is excluded from the Order I can imagine him going through a major life crisis, since it was an important part of his life to identify himself as a Templar. He would then have to built his life from scratch. I agree that the idea of him searching for some peace and solitude might be tempting but in the wake of the war (and whatever developers have dropped on Thedas) his sense of duty would probably prevail.

As for "I do it myself" kind of guy, I can imagine that since he always struck me as a "I need to maintain control of myself/situation" (admittedly he had moments when he lost it... but hey, he's only a human).


I suppose it would depend at what time he got excluded from the Order. If it was shortly after Meredith died then he's probably gutted, if it happened around the time when the Asunder novel happened, or he left of his own accord, then he'd probably consider that as lucky.

True. I bet he'd still have a major identity crisis though whenever it happened. He definitely seems like one of those guys that identifies himself as his job. So even if there are good reasons for leaving the Order, I would expect him struggle with that notion. He might choose to be a shrub farmer, but he'd probably still miss the duty and structure of the Order. I would imagine it would just take a whiff of a call to adventure to send him on his hero's journey. B)

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R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

If he is excluded from the Order I can imagine him going through a major life crisis, since it was an important part of his life to identify himself as a Templar. He would then have to built his life from scratch. I agree that the idea of him searching for some peace and solitude might be tempting but in the wake of the war (and whatever developers have dropped on Thedas) his sense of duty would probably prevail.

As for "I do it myself" kind of guy, I can imagine that since he always struck me as a "I need to maintain control of myself/situation" (admittedly he had moments when he lost it... but hey, he's only a human).


I suppose it would depend at what time he got excluded from the Order. If it was shortly after Meredith died then he's probably gutted, if it happened around the time when the Asunder novel happened, or he left of his own accord, then he'd probably consider that as lucky.

True. I bet he'd still have a major identity crisis though whenever it happened. He definitely seems like one of those guys that identifies himself as his job. So even if there are good reasons for leaving the Order, I would expect him struggle with that notion. He might choose to be a shrub farmer, but he'd probably still miss the duty and structure of the Order. I would imagine it would just take a whiff of a call to adventure to send him on his hero's journey. B)


Yeah, I think he defines himself as a Templar and that's it. We may find him really struggling in DA3, but I guess it depends on what his situation is.

The Kirkwall Templars all seem to have plenty of free time though, especially the ones in the Blooming Rose. Presumably the do free time to pursue leisurely activities.

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Wow. So, someone random dude is claiming that Cullen is a full on rapist. I mean seriously, what the actual ****?

... Just. Wow.

(I may have scored a low blow by telling him that I thought he was getting off on the idea of Cullen touching himself. Don't ask.)

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Maybe he actually meant philanthropist:blush:

(Warning: exposure to clips from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is not advised for anyone who has a glimmer of hope that the human race is basically decent. You should also not associate with anyone who would link to such clips.)

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LolaLei wrote...

Wow. So, someone random dude is claiming that Cullen is a full on rapist. I mean seriously, what the actual ****?

... Just. Wow.

(I may have scored a low blow by telling him that I thought he was getting off on the idea of Cullen touching himself. Don't ask.)

You should quote to him the DG interview where he says he isn't one.

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R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Wow. So, someone random dude is claiming that Cullen is a full on rapist. I mean seriously, what the actual ****?

... Just. Wow.

(I may have scored a low blow by telling him that I thought he was getting off on the idea of Cullen touching himself. Don't ask.)

You should quote to him the DG interview where he says he isn't one.


I done that too.

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I mean, by all means feel free to hate/dislike a character, but why bother to take it to that extreme? What's worse is that they've started directing it at the fans again, which means all the **** comes directly to us.

Bunch of ****s.

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Just so you know, there's a good chance that I'll end up getting banned from the BSN for a little while.

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R2s Muse wrote...

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I'm kinda expecting him to lack tolerance for some races, like the Qunari and Dwarves etc. I could imagine him kinda starting out like a grump slightly racist old guy who gradually becomes more tolerant.


I expect a little of this too, like how he calls Oghren an "ignorant cave dwelling heathen." I could see it particularly taking a religious turn, as he's not down with non Andrasteans.


Like when he says "Hey Hawke! I heard you killed the Dalish Queen!"

bb we need to take you outside your thinking corner and into the world. I know not everybody knows a lot about the Dalish, but come on

Speaking of, I like the idea of a companion experiencing culture shock. Sort of like Merrill, but less enthusiasm about muggings. :P

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LolaLei wrote...

Just so you know, there's a good chance that I'll end up getting banned from the BSN for a little while.


I'm beginning to think that they are just trolling to get a rise out of Cullen fans

I'd just laugh and ignore now

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My god, I seriously think I might go postal!

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Walk away, Lola. Go hug a small child or something. There's no point arguing with stupid people.

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thats1evildude wrote...

Walk away, Lola. Go hug a small child or something. There's no point arguing with stupid people.


The only thing that's really boiling my blood is that he's completely ignoring the fact that the bloody devs/writers explicitly said that his epilogue sliders were just rumours and hearsay. You can't ****ing argue with the word of the people who actually wrote and made the ****ing game.

GAH! I have never before encountered such a complete ****ing idiot in my life. I don't even care if I get banned for that. 

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He's deliberately obtuse. Just ignore him.

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thats1evildude wrote...

He's deliberately obtuse. Just ignore him.


If I ever meet him in real life, I'm gonna smack him square in the jaw just for being an irritating little sh!te.