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[LolaLei]

Ooo page 179, we're getting there slowly but surely ladies!

[brushyourteeth]

vieralynn wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
So it would be the case that if you play as a female protagonist he remains exclusively straight, with no interest in men whatsoever and falls desperately in love with her. BUT, if you play as a male protagonist, he just simply and innocently develops romantic feelings for your character that he hadn't expected, to whom he deeply admirers/respects and eventually comes to love. So essentially he's only ever "gay" for our male character, with no interest in any other males in Thedas lol.

THIS!   

This is a perfect way to provide freedom in player romances for a character who seems to be a canonically straight.  If BW did something like this and they wrote it right, it would be far too much fun and I would make both a fem PC and a male PC to romance him. <3<3<3

If you guys like the idea, feel free to give it some support on this thread. With the way things are going, every LI is going to be either bi or *hero*sexual in the next game without any explanation at all (which is fine, y'know - but I think we can do better. People are usually more complicated than that.)

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

vieralynn wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
So it would be the case that if you play as a female protagonist he remains exclusively straight, with no interest in men whatsoever and falls desperately in love with her. BUT, if you play as a male protagonist, he just simply and innocently develops romantic feelings for your character that he hadn't expected, to whom he deeply admirers/respects and eventually comes to love. So essentially he's only ever "gay" for our male character, with no interest in any other males in Thedas lol.

THIS!   

This is a perfect way to provide freedom in player romances for a character who seems to be a canonically straight.  If BW did something like this and they wrote it right, it would be far too much fun and I would make both a fem PC and a male PC to romance him. <3<3<3

If you guys like the idea, feel free to give it some support on this thread. With the way things are going, every LI is going to be either bi or *hero*sexual in the next game without any explanation at all (which is fine, y'know - but I think we can do better. People are usually more complicated than that.)

Me and a couple of people were arguing for this earlier on in that thread but it gets swept away so quickly with the torrent of sh!t being thrown around in there LOL.

[Dunquixote]

LolaLei wrote...

Dunquixote wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I can kind of see a lonely Meredith making uncomfortable advances toward the Knight Commander and him putting up with her suggestiveness because, really, what else is he going to do? But nothing more than that.

Can't help you with your timeline, Lola - that epilogue never happened for me so I don't really have any experience with it.  If you PM one of the writers and explain that it's making it confusing for your fanfic they might be willing to help.

And if Cullen is a LI in DAIII he will definitely be available to both men and women. That's just a fact. Everybody has about two years (give or take) to get cool with it.

well, that just loses my support then... =|

LOL would you still play DA3 if they do make Cullen bisexual?

Of course, otherwise, I wouldn't be a true Dragon Age fan for getting upset over something minor like that.  As I had said before, it's not that I have prejudice against bisexuals.  After playing DA2, though, I got a bit wearisome of the fact you could make Hawke romance most of his/her companions regardless if they share the same gender.  I rather stick bisexuality in games such as the Sims.  I hope I didn't offend anyone.  I wasn't trying to be uptight about the idea of him being an option; I only voiced my opinion, but I apologize if I didn't articulate it in a more civil way ><.   I can't imagine Cullen being gay or bisexual at least from my gameplay experience.  

[LolaLei]

Dunquixote wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Dunquixote wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I can kind of see a lonely Meredith making uncomfortable advances toward the Knight Commander and him putting up with her suggestiveness because, really, what else is he going to do? But nothing more than that.

Can't help you with your timeline, Lola - that epilogue never happened for me so I don't really have any experience with it.  If you PM one of the writers and explain that it's making it confusing for your fanfic they might be willing to help.

And if Cullen is a LI in DAIII he will definitely be available to both men and women. That's just a fact. Everybody has about two years (give or take) to get cool with it.

well, that just loses my support then... =|

LOL would you still play DA3 if they do make Cullen bisexual?

Of course, otherwise, I wouldn't be a true Dragon Age fan for getting upset over something minor like that.  As I had said before, it's not that I have prejudice against bisexuals.  After playing DA2, though, I got a bit wearisome of the fact you could make Hawke romance most of his/her companions regardless if they share the same gender.  I rather stick bisexuality in games such as the Sims.  I hope I didn't offend anyone.  I wasn't trying to be uptight about the idea of him being an option; I only voiced my opinion, but I apologize if I didn't articulate it in a more civil way ><.   I can't imagine Cullen being gay or bisexual at least from my gameplay experience.  

I'm fine with it all being bi-sexual romance options, but I think if they are going to do that again then they should lose the friendship/rivalmance thing and go back to the system they had in DA:O. I also think that the companions interest in you should be based on what your character behaves like, so if they don't agree with your methods and you treat them badly or they prefer a bad-boy/girl and think you're too nice, or if you're too serious/dull/silly/childish then they won't be interested in persuing your advances. I feel this is where DA2 went wrong because you could romance them even if you were horrible to them all the way through the game.

I mean, sure it works for a character like Isabela who enjoys a bit of fire and conflict in her relationships, but for someone like Merrill who is very sensitive to get into a relationship with a Hawke who has opposed and insulted her throughout the course of 10 years is hignly unlikely, just like Anders wouldn't have even consider dating a Templar supporter if he was as dedicated to the mages plight as he behaved (which he was since he blew up the bloody Chantry!) The love interests in DA2 felt more of an excuse for Hawke to get laid than a legitimate sweet little side story to enhance our gaming experience, and that's sad... it almost seems pointless giving them a personality at all if they're only going to be used as a fashion accessory.

Modifié par LolaLei, 09 juin 2012 - 11:47 .

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

 The love interests in DA2 felt more of an excuse for Hawke to get laid than a legitimate sweet little side story to enhance our gaming experience, and that's sad... it almost seems pointless giving them a personality at all if they're only going to be used as a fashion accessory.

I agree with this whole heartedly! I would also like to add that (for me anyway) it would be oh-so-interesting to have one 'love interest' turn out to be not so. Perhaps, someone that's just trying to get into your pants for info or some other subterfuge. A double agent, if you will. I'm all about some drama!

[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

 The love interests in DA2 felt more of an excuse for Hawke to get laid than a legitimate sweet little side story to enhance our gaming experience, and that's sad... it almost seems pointless giving them a personality at all if they're only going to be used as a fashion accessory.

I agree with this whole heartedly! I would also like to add that (for me anyway) it would be oh-so-interesting to have one 'love interest' turn out to be not so. Perhaps, someone that's just trying to get into your pants for info or some other subterfuge. A double agent, if you will. I'm all about some drama!

That would be fun. Infact, I wouldn't put it passed DG to do something like that in DA3. What with him recently completing ME3 and that whole Jacob cheating on Shepard with the doctor 'n' Thane dying on us, you can bet your arse he's gonna pull something like that out of the bag.

... Just hopefully not with Cullen LOL!

[MissRedZelda]

 LolaLei wrote...
So it would be the case that if you play as a female protagonist he remains exclusively straight, with no interest in men whatsoever and falls desperately in love with her. BUT, if you play as a male protagonist, he just simply and innocently develops romantic feelings for your character that he hadn't expected, to whom he deeply admirers/respects and eventually comes to love. So essentially he's only ever "gay" for our male character, with no interest in any other males in Thedas lol.

That's . . . a really good idea! I like it!

But she/he must be an Amell mage. It's only poetic justice ;-)

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

 LolaLei wrote...
So it would be the case that if you play as a female protagonist he remains exclusively straight, with no interest in men whatsoever and falls desperately in love with her. BUT, if you play as a male protagonist, he just simply and innocently develops romantic feelings for your character that he hadn't expected, to whom he deeply admirers/respects and eventually comes to love. So essentially he's only ever "gay" for our male character, with no interest in any other males in Thedas lol.

That's . . . a really good idea! I like it!

But she/he must be an Amell mage. It's only poetic justice ;-)

LOL well they will certainly all be mages in my playthroughs if Cullen is a companion/love interest!

[meanieweenie]

Oooo! Dirty business! I haven't played ME3 so I can't comment on the Jacob / Thane scenario (I tried ME 2 and not into the whole spacey future deal). But can you just imagine an Amell playing double agent? Yikes! Cullen would call it the Makers' Will and drop dead of a broken heart! lol

[LolaLei]

I'm actually wondering if they've decided that the Amell bloodline is going to be really important in the DA universe, since it seems we will only be playing as humans from now on it might well be the case that they run with the whole Amell's being distant decendants of Andraste theory (especially if she was indeed a Mage.) It seems odd that they didn't pick the Hawke family to be related to the couslands instead and what with the Mage/Templar rebellion it would certainly make sense.

[LolaLei]

meanieweenie, your reply has just given me an idea for a question for you all, so here goes:

If we happened to dump Cullen in DA3 for some reason (heaven forbid!) What do you think his reaction would be? And how do you think he would feel on the inside?

[meanieweenie]

Well this would depend... Are we dumping him because he's become unflexible in his thinking? (Re: Is he closed minded now and all templars/ mages evil, end of story?) Id he a bad kisser? Too extremist? Insane? I have a disturbingly high tollerance for crazy, mind you. lol

[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

Well this would depend... Are we dumping him because he's become unflexible in his thinking? (Re: Is he closed minded now and all templars/ mages evil, end of story?) Id he a bad kisser? Too extremist? Insane? I have a disturbingly high tollerance for crazy, mind you. lol

We just choose to end the relationship, maybe we decide we don't want to be with him and want to persue one of the other companions or something (like you could in DA:O where you could just end the relationship whenever you wanted for no specific reason.)

[meanieweenie]

So what if we chose to dump him and he goes batsh!t due to lyrim withdrawl or just breaks from all the craziness? Would he stand down? What if he continues to pursue the PC like a psycho ex (as some of us understand)? I think I've been reading too many crazy books. LOL

[R2s Muse]

vieralynn wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I figured this might come in handy for anyone planning to draw Cullen on here anytime soon:



Damn he's pretty!

Ooooh.  It looks like someone extracted his head morph and displayed in some other program? Toolkit, maybe?

I would love to have a series of these for art reference with a 3/4 view, a profile view, and a few others in between. 

Avilia here on the Cullen thread posted that here. I never really knew how she did it, but seems the Cullen head morph was a preset in a character generator she was using for DA2.

I find it interesting that even at level 0 emotion, he's got angst going on. LOL

[meanieweenie]

It's the forhead tension, R2! I've studied way too long and hard on body language and acting so I'm tainted. LOL

[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

So what if we chose to dump him and he goes batsh!t due to lyrim withdrawl or just breaks from all the craziness? Would he stand down? What if he continues to pursue the PC like a psycho ex (as some of us understand)? I think I've been reading too many crazy books. LOL

LOL bloody hell imagine if he did go bat **** crazy, poor little thing!

I personally think he'd try to hold it together and try to keep a stiff upper lip whilst being dumped, but I think inside he'd be completely heartbroken, especially if it turns out that our new protagonist is his first proper relationship/sexual encounter and he had thought our character loved him. I'd go as far as to say that he would probably decide to leave because he wouldn't be able to handle being around the PC knowing that he/she doesn't love him/is dating someone else (kinda like how Zev leaves if you dump him in DA2.) However, if he was one of the romances that's heavily tied into the main story I think he'd spend the rest of the game very sad and withdrawn (which would no doubt be brought up in party banter.)

However, if you broke up due to circumstance (like they can't be together anymore due to his Templar duties if you're a mage) I'd like to think he'd still carry a torch for the PC and give him/her wistful looks etc, perhaps even going as far as to take your character to one side and beg for him/her back towards the end of the game if he decides to throw caution to the wind or whatever... which would make for some poignant scenes, especially if the PC has moved onto someone else.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

vieralynn wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I figured this might come in handy for anyone planning to draw Cullen on here anytime soon:



Damn he's pretty!

Ooooh.  It looks like someone extracted his head morph and displayed in some other program? Toolkit, maybe?

I would love to have a series of these for art reference with a 3/4 view, a profile view, and a few others in between. 

Avilia here on the Cullen thread posted that here. I never really knew how she did it, but seems the Cullen head morph was a preset in a character generator she was using for DA2.

I find it interesting that even at level 0 emotion, he's got angst going on. LOL

That's the result of a hard life... well that or years of pent up sexual frustration LOL!

[meanieweenie]

I'd love to see a dumped LI pursue and try to convince you to come back though. Am I the only one?

[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

I'd love to see a dumped LI pursue and try to convince you to come back though. Am I the only one?

LOL great minds, I totally just posted that above the giant picture of Cullens head!

[R2s Muse]

Oh wow, I like the 'double agent, only slept with you to get something' idea... Also not familiar with ME3, but I love the idea that the companions have their own lives and drama going on at the same time as the PC's main plot. I just... erm, I have no interest in a storyline that sets  you on a path to utterly destroy Cullen romantically in such a way. It just seems too cosmically unjust. Boy needs a happy ending.

Now that said...

LolaLei wrote...

If we happened to dump Cullen in DA3 for some reason (heaven forbid!) What do you think his reaction would be? And how do you think he would feel on the inside?

If you did  have to dump him... and we all know we've had to do it numerous times to companions when we accidentally picked the wrong option, changed our mind on LIs, etc... I just see him  being terribly wounded on the inside, but stoic on the outside. I'd like to think that he's proven his mettle already with the challenges he's overcome, so he wouldn't lose it and go postal or anything. But, I could see it ruining him for any other relationships in the future.

I imagine it would take quite a bit for him to have lowered his defenses in the first place (esp if she's a mage! ). So, then to get shut down...?  I think he'd  have an "I told you so, I should've known better" come-to-Andraste talk with himself. Then that would be it for him with romance. No second chances for her, or anyone, ever.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh wow, I like the 'double agent, only slept with you to get something' idea... Also not familiar with ME3, but I love the idea that the companions have their own lives and drama going on at the same time as the PC's main plot. I just... erm, I have no interest in a storyline that sets  you on a path to utterly destroy Cullen romantically in such a way. It just seems too cosmically unjust. Boy needs a happy ending.

Now that said...

LolaLei wrote...

If we happened to dump Cullen in DA3 for some reason (heaven forbid!) What do you think his reaction would be? And how do you think he would feel on the inside?

If you did  have to dump him... and we all know we've had to do it numerous times to companions when we accidentally picked the wrong option, changed our mind on LIs, etc... I just see him  being terribly wounded on the inside, but stoic on the outside. I'd like to think that he's proven his mettle already with the challenges he's overcome, so he wouldn't lose it and go postal or anything. But, I could see it ruining him for any other relationships in the future.

I imagine it would take quite a bit for him to have lowered his defenses in the first place (esp if she's a mage! ). So, then to get shut down...?  I think he'd  have an "I told you so, I should've known better" come-to-Andraste talk with himself. Then that would be it for him with romance. No second chances for her, or anyone, ever.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I think would happen too, unless you broke up with him due to his Templar duties (or he dumps you due to them.) I could see him coming back to you again towards the end (kinda like Fenris did) after having a eureka moment or something.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

However, if you broke up due to circumstance (like they can't be together anymore due to his Templar duties if you're a mage) I'd like to think he'd still carry a torch for the PC and give him/her wistful looks etc, perhaps even going as far as to take your character to one side and beg for him/her back towards the end of the game if he decides to throw caution to the wind or whatever... which would make for some poignant scenes, especially if the PC has moved onto someone else.

Hmm, I dunno. I could see him being heartbroken and bittersweet if it was circumstance keeping them apart. But I sort of see him being too proud to do something like this. Esp if you're with someone else. I imagine him letting himself love someone and be in a real relationship would be a big deal, so when it was over, I could see him having more of a "better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all" fatalism.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 10 juin 2012 - 02:49 .