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[Twice a Lady]

I never got creepy from him. He was very polite and never said flat out that he liked my mage, just all nervous about being around her. He never acted smarmy or obsessive, so I don't know where creepy came in for some people, unless people playing as mages never spoke to him before the tower was taken. I could see that convo being more uncomfortable then when he's imprisoned, but still not really all that creepy.

As for the LI orientation topic, I wasn't aware it was off limits. Someone asked a question, I answered. Sorry if it caused discontent. Won't mention it again.

[LolaLei]

He's the type of guy that needs irrefutable proof before he acts, when it comes to the whole blood mage thing. I think that's why he ran off to deal with Wilmod himself, because he needs to be sure before cutting people down willy-nilly.

Even with Meredith, he made excuses for her until the proof of her madness and corruption was undeniable. That's not the behaviour of an unpredictable mad-man.

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

I don't think Sheryl Chee's posts about him being creepy and stuff helped, even though she was joking some people took it seriously even after she explained that it was a joke. 

As for Cullen being unpredictable in his hatred, that's utter bollocks. Anders was unpredictable and even he had good reason for it (cheers Justice!) Cullen shows ridiculous amounts of self control. Even when he kneed Wilmod in the balls the whole thing was planned out and had no intention to actually kill the guy, he was just trying to threaten him into a confession. He only cut him down when he turned into an abomination.

I'd say, out of all the non-companion npcs we've met so far Cullen is the most trustworthy. You just know he wouldn't cut you down for being a blood-mage or an abomination until the moment you turned into one or turned on him.

Agreed! I love you for saying that Lola!

[neonmoth]

SamaraDraven wrote...

I only got one vague reference to a mage murdering lunatic who was rumored to be a templar, at the end of one of my playthroughs when I sided with the mages and asked for their freedom. But I had saved the Circle and pretty much dissed Cullen when he was shouting at Greagoir to kill the remaining mages as a precaution. I certainly don't recall Cullen's name being mentioned though the slide does insinuate it enough that one can reasonably think it was him. But there's enough doubt there...

I am ashamed to admit that I never got those slides either. I guess forums can affect your perception of character a lot. I thought that it was more or less stated it was Cullen. But even then I would find it understandable (in the context of his paranoia displayed after surviving BC quest), though at the same time deeply saddening.

Modifié par neonmoth, 18 mai 2013 - 03:27 .

[LolaLei]

Speaking of which, aren't templars supposed to be able to sense demonic possession and stuff like that?

[neonmoth]

SamaraDraven wrote...
See? I don't get it either. His crush is mild enough that I don't see how anyone can think it's creepy. At all. I can only figure somepeople don'tlike others to crush on them...?  More likely, they just grasping for any reason to hate him but in overblowing Cullen's crush, they're forgetting how normal it is. How many of us have had a teacher or some other role model we looked up to, that we crushed on? I crushed on my seventh grade science teacher becuase he was brilliant, young, loved to put together hands-on experiments and had this adorable accent he says is half English-half British Columbia Canadian. Oh my! I'm such a creepster! Nevermind that the warden was of age, not a minor. Hello!

I think that majority of people went backwards with his character, i.e. they looked at his early behaviour through the taint of his further development and assumed that he was always mage hating bigot, instead of looking at his behaviour as the direct outcome of his life events. And then they had this preconceptions already established when they have met his character in DA2, which made them concentrate on the "evidence" supporting this prticular point of view.

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...
I'd say, out of all the non-companion npcs we've met so far Cullen is the most trustworthy. You just know he wouldn't cut you down for being a blood-mage or an abomination until the moment you turned into one or turned on him.

True, he's got this soothing, calm attitude that I really like

LolaLei wrote...
He's the type of guy that needs irrefutable proof before he acts, when it comes to the whole blood mage thing. I think that's why he ran off to deal with Wilmod himself, because he needs to be sure before cutting people down willy-nilly.

Even with Meredith, he made excuses for her until the proof of her madness and corruption was undeniable. That's
not the behaviour of an unpredictable mad-man.

I still find his position as being between a rock and a hard place, since the lack of action on his part would, in many circumstances, result in as bad outcome as a premature action (i.e. many dead). I can't believe I am writing this since I was always very pro mage freedom and so on. It is only because I liked his character so much that I tried to understand Templar's position and don't partucularly like the fact that the final decision is down to free mages/kill mages. Though I understand this is a game and some aspects of the story will be simplified.

Modifié par neonmoth, 18 mai 2013 - 03:40 .

[SamaraDraven]

neonmoth wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

I only got one vague reference to a mage murdering lunatic who was rumored to be a templar, at the end of one of my playthroughs when I sided with the mages and asked for their freedom. But I had saved the Circle and pretty much dissed Cullen when he was shouting at Greagoir to kill the remaining mages as a precaution. I certainly don't recall Cullen's name being mentioned though the slide does insinuate it enough that one can reasonably think it was him. But there's enough doubt there...

I am shameful to admit that I never got those slides either. I guess forums can affect your perception of character a lot. I thought that it was more or less stated it was Cullen. But even then I would find it understandable (in the context of his paranoia displayed after surviving BC quest), though at the same time deeply saddening.

I will admit that I maaaay be mistaken..., I don't know for sure but I really don't recall Cullen being mentioned in that epilogue. If he is, I'll own up to that. but it's still only one possibility. and it was a rumor so even if the slide mentions Cullen by name, it's just heresay. PLUS the devs took it back anyway. So you're good!

@Twice A Lady - I think it's possible to have such a discussion but we'd have toset ground rules. The last time there were no ground rules set and the opinions kind of became offensive on both sides.

For me, I will say that some characters, just "seem" straight to me. (Yes Cullen is such a one, TO MY PERSPECTIVE)  I think it adds something when not everyone is romanceable by your one PC. I like the variety! But I also think it's possible to write all characters as bi - even Cullen -  if it's done well. The problem becomes how do the writers write all the characters so that they can show a hint of interest without accidentally coming onto the players' PCs in an unwanted fashion, ala Anders ninjamance? I truly believe the only answer to that conundrum is to have the players choose their orientation in the Character Creator. Most of the complaints that I've seen are from players who were ninjamanced by a character of the same sex - though some who were of the opposite gender still got an unwanted ninjamance. It happened in DAO with Leliana and Zevran, I think? For myself, I got ninjamanced by Alistair! lol! I was trying not to romance anyone but if you're kind to him, aren't in another romance and pick choices he agrees with, he gives you that blasted rose! And then you have to turn him down if you don't want him but he goes back to being nuetral about you and after that everything he says to you is professional, But it didn't seem to be as big a problem (at least to me) until DA2 when Anders ninjamanced several players. Perhaps, I'm just not as aware of it being a problem before? But it seems that it's a bigger issue - especially since you're cornered into having to earn rivalry points with Anders, if you turn him down.

So making all the LIs bi is tricky. Setting a preference in CC might mitigate a lot of the potential problems, though not all.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 18 mai 2013 - 03:29 .

[LolaLei]

I don't really have a problem with being ninjamanced or the companions getting offended if you say no/making it clear they like you even if you're romancing someone else. It just makes them feel more realistic. They're behaving no differently than a real person would.

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

Speaking of which, aren't templars supposed to be able to sense demonic possession and stuff like that?

They're supposed to be able to detect mages too. But the devs have done away witht that mechanic when it suited them. Maybe only some templars can? Like every knight is different in what abilities they'll be strong in once they get acclimated to taking lyirum? Some may be better hunters for their detection abilities and some make better fighters for being able to whip off a Smite faster, better and harder and more frequently than other templars? It's a strange phenomenon that was never explained so I'm guessing the writers wrote some dialogue they thought sounded cool and then forgot that they had said 'XYZ' when a different situation would have been affected in a way other than what they were hoping to achieve if they adhered to their previous statements.

Continuity's a b!tch that way.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 18 mai 2013 - 03:47 .

[LolaLei]

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Speaking of which, aren't templars supposed to be able to sense demonic possession and stuff like that?

They're supposed to be able to detect mages too. But the devs have done away witht that mechanic when it suited them. Maybe only some templars can? Like every knight is different in what abilities they'll be strong in once they get acclimated to taking lyirum? Some may be better hunters for their detection abilities and some make better fighters for being able to whip off a Smite faster, better and harder and more frequently than other templars? It's a strange phenomenon that was never explained so I'm guessing the writers wrote some dialogue they thought sounded cool and then forgot that they had said 'XYZ' when a different situation would have been affected in a way other than what they were hoping to achieve if they adhered to their previous statements.

Continuity's a b!tch that way.

Detection clearly isn't one of Cullen's strong points, poor dear. 

[LolaLei]

What makes me laugh is that he knew something weird was happening with Wilmod, yet he didn't notice a mage when it stood right in front of him, LOL! Bless him.

[LolaLei]

They'll probably write that off as Varric under-selling him.

Cullen: "What! The dwarf portrayed me as oblivious?! That ale swilling cave-dweller, I knew Hawke/Hawke's friends were mages immediately!"

Protagonist: "Uh-huh. Whatever you say, love."

Modifié par LolaLei, 18 mai 2013 - 03:54 .

[Newschmoo]

I noticed this a lot cause my first Hawke was a mage, and what he wore screamed mage!

I like to think that these things weren't picked up due to the lack of time spent on the game.

[neonmoth]

SamaraDraven wrote...
I truly believe the only answer to that conundrum is to have the players choose their orientation in the Character Creator.

That's an interesting idea, I'm wondering if it could be easily implemeted... I can understand why people might not like ninjamances... But I also like more pro-active LIs, that will flirt with your character without pressing a romance button. I can roleplay that my character is just irresistible this way that everyone wants a piece of that

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

I don't really have a problem with being ninjamanced or the companions getting offended if you say no/making it clear they like you even if you're romancing someone else. It just makes them feel more realistic. They're behaving no differently than a real person would.

Very true. I didn't take it personally when Alistair ninjamanced my character. I was a little saddened that he didn't seem as happy goofy toward my warden anymore but I got over it and continued romancing Zevran. I also think it's realistic to have some characters that aren't approachable by both genders. Alistair wasn't. I just know that many players did take offense to being ninjamanced by Anders. When it happened to one of my Hawkes, I was torn about turning him down because he takes it kind of hard. So I... um... reloaded and... I started romancing him since it's my first 100% promage playthrough... Which I swore I was never gonna do... *hides*
 
So if I were to get my way... I'd have those players who have a problem with it, have the option of setting their PC so they don't get approached by anyone they don't want and leave the rest of us to sex all the LIs in both genders.

I'm not bothered by it if Cullen is an LI and bi. I just see him as straight is all. It won't ruin him for me if he isn't though. I'd still romance him as a guy for science!

[Newschmoo]

LolaLei wrote...

They'll probably write that off as Varric under-selling him.

Cullen: "What! The dwarf portrayed me as oblivious?! That ale swilling cave-dweller, I knew Hawke/Hawke's friends were mages immediately!"

Protagonist: "Uh-huh. Whatever you say, love."

You know what Varric's like (gawd love him)! :happy:

[LolaLei]

Oh ****! We're nearly at page 1800 and I haven't made my thing!

[LolaLei]

Bwahaha, I just have to post this one up again because I forgot how much fun it was to make:

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

What makes me laugh is that he knew something weird was happening with Wilmod, yet he didn't notice a mage when it stood right in front of him, LOL! Bless him.

I always try to make my mage PCs fight up close whenever they are fighting near a crowd or any templars, especially Cullen. In my head, I figure they would do that to keep away any suspicion and could pass of their staff as an enchanted pole-arm......
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Reading back over that makes me realize that I've just been playing DA WAY too much 

[SamaraDraven]

neonmoth wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...
I truly believe the only answer to that conundrum is to have the players choose their orientation in the Character Creator.

That's an interesting idea, I'm wondering if it could be easily implemeted... I can understand why people might not like ninjamances... But I also like more pro-active LIs, that will flirt with your character without pressing a romance button. I can roleplay that my character is just irresistible this way that everyone wants a piece of that

Me too. Anders' ninjamance was a surprise that I liked so I'm doing it. For science! Even though, I don't like him... Well, I like him more as a fellow mage revolutionary. We're like partners in crime. Like Thelma and Louise but without the cliff jumping! He's not... sooo bad, and you even get to some of his lighter moments if you go all in, so to speak. Yes Lola, this is me eating crow... :lol:

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Oh ****! We're nearly at page 1800 and I haven't made my thing!

You could always just paste Cullen's head onto Fabio's body, that always works for a good laugh  He has to have the long flowing hair though!

[LolaLei]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Oh ****! We're nearly at page 1800 and I haven't made my thing!

You could always just paste Cullen's head onto Fabio's body, that always works for a good laugh  He has to have the long flowing hair though!

It's like you read my mind. I've literally just done that super quick! 

[SamaraDraven]

Oh Maker! Remember that '80s hairband jibjab thing with all the guys?! I forget who did that but it was hilarious!

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Oh ****! We're nearly at page 1800 and I haven't made my thing!

LOL I haven't either... I'll get on it this afternoon.