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[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Batteries wrote...

During the final battle with Meredith, I know she can end up grabbing Hawke, a companion, or even Cullen before she dies.

I'm curious to know what she says if she grabs Cullen, if anyone knows? o_O

She says the same thing she says to Fenris if she grabs him. I can't recall it exactly but  she basic calls him a fool for siding with the mages and thought he of all people would know better... or something like that.

Yes, this. She says something like, “Why do you want to protect mages? They are an infection upon the humankind”

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Batteries wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Seems fairly polite so far, hopefully this time it won't devolve into attacking his fans.

/shrug

In due time, wouldn't be surprised.

OP sounds very Us Vs. Them, though...

Odd, isn't it. I don't see why it should matter who likes which character.

Pfft... I just wish the devs would step in sooner. Creating threads to attack the fandom just doesn't seem like it follows the site rules. #justsayin

[R2s Muse]

neonmoth wrote...

Batteries wrote...



Unless it's just a Hawke thing /shrug

Heh, staggering is amusing to watch :]

*don't mind us Mer, we'll have a little shaky dance while you're speaking*

  LOL Indeed.

[Jean]

I thought, being a sword and shield warrior and all, that he would be immune to stagger lol

Watching Aveline slash away at Meredith while she was talking was hilarious

[R2s Muse]

Batteries wrote...

I thought, being a sword and shield warrior and all, that he would be immune to stagger lol

Watching Aveline slash away at Meredith while she was talking was hilarious

I think it's one of her rings/trinkets that specifically has stun immunity.

[HurricaneGinger]

Aveline is a tank, she don't take no **** from no body! (Seriously though, that woman does NOT go down!)

Can't believe there's another Cullen hate thread. It seems as soon as one is started others follow to stir the pot. Oh well.

[Dunquixote]

R2s Muse wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

Batteries wrote...



Unless it's just a Hawke thing /shrug

Heh, staggering is amusing to watch :]

*don't mind us Mer, we'll have a little shaky dance while you're speaking*

  LOL Indeed.

 lmfao! 

/facepalm

[R2s Muse]

PhantomGinger wrote...

Aveline is a tank, she don't take no **** from no body! (Seriously though, that woman does NOT go down!)

Can't believe there's another Cullen hate thread. It seems as soon as one is started others follow to stir the pot. Oh well.

*sigh* Yes. It's just so fashionable these days! LOL Actually, until that last one, we'd gone through a dry spell. Guess we were due. Before that there was one every couple of weeks, on average.

[CuriousArtemis]

Batteries wrote...

I thought, being a sword and shield warrior and all, that he would be immune to stagger lol

Watching Aveline slash away at Meredith while she was talking was hilarious

I usually give Aveline a shield that is immune to knockdown. 

[littlenikki]

That thread's already locked....didn't take long

[R2s Muse]

littlenikki wrote...

That thread's already locked....didn't take long

Finally, some actual moderation! Yay!

[Jean]

motomotogirl wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I thought, being a sword and shield warrior and all, that he would be immune to stagger lol

Watching Aveline slash away at Meredith while she was talking was hilarious

I usually give Aveline a shield that is immune to knockdown. 

Darn, I thought it was an ability that prevented it. Sparking stagger Cullen for all then!


Thread got locked pretty quick too.

[LolaLei]

I thought I'd repost something Dave of Canada said in that other Cullen thread. I don't think I could have put it any better if I tried:

Cullen is introduced in Dragon Age: Origins as some shiny-eyed recruit, he doesn't see the danger which mages pose and doesn't know what he's looking for in case of bad mages. Although he has a crush on the female mage character, it's relevant to his characterization because he's someone who doesn't see mages as seperate from mundanes.

By the time you've finally reached the Circle of Magi, everyone is dead ]except[/color] for Cullen. Not only had he survived rigorous torture, he out-lasted his peers when confronted and controlled by blood mages. Although he's hysterical afterwards, it shows that--despite being a recruit--he's devoted and strong, anyone else would've fallen. No longer the shiny-eyed recruit, Cullen understands the danger which mages pose better than anyone.

Come Dragon Age 2, Cullen is re-introduced as having been sent away from the Ferelden Circle to calm him, he's possibly still healing from the events of Dragon Age: Origins and now has a firm understanding that mages are far more dangerous than they appear, something which he shares with Meredith.

Despite this, Cullen shows sympathy and duty to the Circle of Magi and the Templar Order. 

He hunts down the missing Templar recruits personally, he ponders the role of the Templar Order in the changing world and come the third act, he'll bring blood mages back to the Circle (despite the zero-tolerance policy), inform Hawke of where the complaints against Aveline originate, question Meredith during Anullement, sides with Hawke when Meredith's lyrium-induced insanity acts up and allows Hawke to leave (if pro-mage).

The hatred of Cullen seems to stem from the fact that most players are blindly pro-mage, loathing the fact that Cullen represents someone who opposes them. Least, that's the impression I get when I often see the "mages aren't like you or me" conversation brought up with improper context.

Fact is:

• Cullen probably wouldn't be introduced as someone who's rabidly anti-mage, he'd probably be sitting in a cross-roads after the events of Dragon Age 2.

• Even if Cullen was rabidly anti-mage, pro-Templar players had to stomache Anders and Merrill. Pro-Mage players didn't have to recruit Fenris.

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 mai 2013 - 09:45 .

[Twice a Lady]

@LolaLei, that was very well written synopsis you found. I wish I were so eloquent with words, because that was pretty much my thoughts exactly, save for the recruitment of M,A and F. I like having everyone in my party!

[LolaLei]

Twice a Lady wrote...

@LolaLei, that was very well written synopsis you found. I wish I were so eloquent with words, because that was pretty much my thoughts exactly, save for the recruitment of M,A and F. I like having everyone in my party!

Yeah, the final point doesn't count for my thoughts, but the rest of it does. Perhaps we should save a copy of it and just copy paste it everytime some makes one of those threads?

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

@LolaLei, that was very well written synopsis you found. I wish I were so eloquent with words, because that was pretty much my thoughts exactly, save for the recruitment of M,A and F. I like having everyone in my party!

Yeah, the final point doesn't count for my thoughts, but the rest of it does. Perhaps we should save a copy of it and just copy paste it everytime some makes one of those threads?

Agreed!!

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

@LolaLei, that was very well written synopsis you found. I wish I were so eloquent with words, because that was pretty much my thoughts exactly, save for the recruitment of M,A and F. I like having everyone in my party!

Yeah, the final point doesn't count for my thoughts, but the rest of it does. Perhaps we should save a copy of it and just copy paste it everytime some makes one of those threads?

LOL To be honest... it helps more when it's people who aren't us post something like that. Kudos to Dave of Canada, yet again.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 19 mai 2013 - 10:39 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

@LolaLei, that was very well written synopsis you found. I wish I were so eloquent with words, because that was pretty much my thoughts exactly, save for the recruitment of M,A and F. I like having everyone in my party!

Yeah, the final point doesn't count for my thoughts, but the rest of it does. Perhaps we should save a copy of it and just copy paste it everytime some makes one of those threads?

LOL To be honest... it helps more when it's people who aren't us post something like that. Kudos to Dave of Canada, yet again.

Yeah, I think it's easy for us to confuse fact with fiction in terms of the actual screentime he's had and the emotions/actions he's portrayed in-game. 

[Dunquixote]

I haven't looked at the hate threads yet, so, I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. Is it the fans or Cullen as a character people are ranting about? Are there any "intelligent" discussions or is it simply insult after insult?

If people didn't feel hate or love for a character, then that character could be classified sometimes as boring or just a very minor character. It makes a game more enjoyable--for me that is, if there were feelings of hate or love--(or simply liking) for a character. I don't know if I get like this for every video game I play, but, being a person who appreciates a good and involved story, seeing different characters, both ones I hate and find a strong liking for, makes me have a greater appreciation for the hard work put into the game by the developers.

When it comes to hating a specific Dragon Age character, I would say in Dragon Age II, I really despise Isabella. She's a backstabbing **** and ****, who disgusts me utterly. However, I won't deny that she is a very...colorful character and brings color to the character. Thus, I respect the writer's decision and have no problem with the way they developed her.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

@LolaLei, that was very well written synopsis you found. I wish I were so eloquent with words, because that was pretty much my thoughts exactly, save for the recruitment of M,A and F. I like having everyone in my party!

Yeah, the final point doesn't count for my thoughts, but the rest of it does. Perhaps we should save a copy of it and just copy paste it everytime some makes one of those threads?

LOL To be honest... it helps more when it's people who aren't us post something like that. Kudos to Dave of Canada, yet again.

Yeah, I think it's easy for us to confuse fact with fiction in terms of the actual screentime he's had and the emotions/actions he's portrayed in-game. 

... also easy for folks to think that's what we're doing... Hard to find fans who know the facts, from fiction, better than we do.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 19 mai 2013 - 11:29 .

[R2s Muse]

Dunquixote wrote...

I haven't looked at the hate threads yet, so, I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. Is it the fans or Cullen as a character people are ranting about? Are there any "intelligent" discussions or is it simply insult after insult?

If people didn't feel hate or love for a character, then that character could be classified sometimes as boring or just a very minor character. It makes a game more enjoyable--for me that is, if there were feelings of hate or love--(or simply liking) for a character. I don't know if I get like this for every video game I play, but, being a person who appreciates a good and involved story, seeing different characters, both ones I hate and find a strong liking for, makes me have a greater appreciation for the hard work put into the game by the developers.
 

I don't really want to get into a discussion of character hate. But, as far as the Cullen hate, it's usually both. Folks don't like the character. Folks don't like the fans. Some folks don't like the character because of the fans. It's a strange pattern. Most hate threads either start out as or eventually evolve into fan bashing. Every once in a while there's some character discussion in between.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 19 mai 2013 - 11:26 .

[LolaLei]

Dunquixote wrote...

I haven't looked at the hate threads yet, so, I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. Is it the fans or Cullen as a character people are ranting about? Are there any "intelligent" discussions or is it simply insult after insult?

If people didn't feel hate or love for a character, then that character could be classified sometimes as boring or just a very minor character. It makes a game more enjoyable--for me that is, if there were feelings of hate or love--(or simply liking) for a character. I don't know if I get like this for every video game I play, but, being a person who appreciates a good and involved story, seeing different characters, both ones I hate and find a strong liking for, makes me have a greater appreciation for the hard work put into the game by the developers.

When it comes to hating a specific Dragon Age character, I would say in Dragon Age II, I really despise Isabella. She's a backstabbing **** and ****, who disgusts me utterly. However, I won't deny that she is a very...colorful character and brings color to the character. Thus, I respect the writer's decision and have no problem with the way they developed her.

It varies. Sometimes it's an open and obvious hate thread aimed at the fans, sometimes it's a thread made by someone who is genuinely curious about why people like him. However, it ALWAYS turns into a flame thread bashing and attacking the fans eventually, sometimes it happens quicker than others though.

There are usually a few replies from people giving good reasons and arguments about why they dislike him, I find those ones the most interesting because I like to hear other peoples opinions and see it from someone elses perspective. Mostly it's just people saying they hate him or dislike him because the fans won't shut up about him, or because they think he's a creepy rapist, or killed a bunch of apprentices (even though those DA:O epilogues were retconned). I guess he may have still killed those apprentices before being sent to Greenfell, but until he tells us that directly we'll never know for sure.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

@LolaLei, that was very well written synopsis you found. I wish I were so eloquent with words, because that was pretty much my thoughts exactly, save for the recruitment of M,A and F. I like having everyone in my party!

Yeah, the final point doesn't count for my thoughts, but the rest of it does. Perhaps we should save a copy of it and just copy paste it everytime some makes one of those threads?

LOL To be honest... it helps more when it's people who aren't us post something like that. Kudos to Dave of Canada, yet again.

Yeah, I think it's easy for us to confuse fact with fiction in terms of the actual screentime he's had and the emotions/actions he's portrayed in-game. 

... also easy for folks to think that's what we're doing...

Lol, yeah that too.

I mean, it's not like we've completely convinced ourselves that our theories are facts, but I admit that I tend to look into his motives a lot and I sometimes wonder if maybe I'm mis-remembering things that he actually said/done.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

 I guess he may have still killed those apprentices before being sent to Greenfell, but until he tells us that directly we'll never know for sure.

FWIW, I ran across the text from the crazy epilogue in my files, and this still isn't really compatible with going to Greenfell, IMO. Doesn't really seem like an escaped madman would later be set free, Greenfell rehabilitation or no. Also, for the record, it does name Cullen by name.

The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 19 mai 2013 - 11:35 .

[R2s Muse]

And for completeness, the other one:

Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.