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[LolaLei]

Narcia_ wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

[/i]I still wonder to this day why they decided to make Cullen the Knight Captain in DA2. I know they like to bring old familar faces foward into the next installment to maintain some connection with the previous game, but Cullen was obscure and minor enough that it wouldn't have really mattered if they'd used someone else, or someone entirely new. His epilogue sliders in DA:O are very specific, and were clearly meant to be taken as gospel truth at time DA:O was made. I don't think Cullen even had all that much attention after DA:O to really make them stand up and take notice. Perhaps a couple of the devs/writers themselves had a bit of a thing for him, and that's what swung it for him?

I bet that it was one (or some) of the writers that thought it would make for a better connection to the first game to have a somewhat recognizeable character return. I also guess that it was because Greg Ellis wasn't available to record all of Anders dialogue. Pure speculation on my part, but I still feel that may be part of why they brought Cullen back for a small role in Kirkwall.

I'm glad they did, anyway :happy:

Also, some great stuff on 1800 <3 we really are going to be at 2000 before you know it. Are we coming up for a theme there, too? The Future of Cullen? Cullen DA:I posters? How he'll fit into the new Thedas?

Just seems strange that they picked him over another potential character, especially since he barely has any significance at all in anything but the female mage origins.

Anyway, I don't think we've planned anything for 2000 yet. Since they are releasing DA3 info at E3, by then we should have some ideas for it. Maybe something to do with the protagonist x Cullen if we finally get a Surname and the default names of the male and female protagonist.

[Dunquixote]

Maybe have us submit pictures of our protagonist that wants to romance him officially--whether it's your Hawke or Surana or Amell, and make an image with them all surrounding Cullen and fighting over him? Or maybe someone could make a comic style image of a dialogue happening between all of our protagonists with him? :-)

Edit: I'd offer to do the photoshopping but I'm afraid this is the best I can do so far:



Oh! I have a random question. Does anyone here play the Sims 3? And if you do, have you made a Cullen yet?

Modifié par Dunquixote, 20 mai 2013 - 02:44 .

[LolaLei]

Dunquixote wrote...

Maybe have us submit pictures of our protagonist that wants to romance him officially--whether it's your Hawke or Surana or Amell, and make an image with them all surrounding Cullen and fighting over him? Or maybe someone could make a comic style image of a dialogue happening between all of our protagonists with him? :-)

Oh! I have a random question. Does anyone here play the Sims 3? And if you do, have you made a Cullen yet?

Lol, I guess it depends if they show us the new protagonist or something, since neither my Hawke or Warden wanted to romance him (although my Hawke would have if he had been available). I've kinda got him stamped as my new protagonist's official love interest (unless it turns out that he isn't a companion or romanceable). Also, I'm crap at drawing lol!

I've played The Sims 3, but not for a long time. I used to love The Sims 1, The Sims 2 was good but I lost interest in it pretty quickly. I've never made Cullen in anything yet, I don't think I've even tried to recreate him in DA2 on my Xbox 360 lol.

Modifié par LolaLei, 20 mai 2013 - 02:46 .

[Dunquixote]

If I get the medieval downloadable cc that's now available, I'll have to make a Cullen sometime. Now you can make their ears pointy (though, no elves yet), so I could make Surana too.

[LolaLei]

Dunquixote wrote...

If I get the medieval downloadable cc that's now available, I'll have to make a Cullen sometime. Now you can make their ears pointy (though, no elves yet), so I could make Surana too.

Apparently they're making The Sims 4 now, I really don't see what's gonna be so different about it? The Sims 2 looks like The Sims 3 as it is.

[HurricaneGinger]

 I always got the "mage killer Cullen" slide at the end - ALWAYS. When he returned in DA2, I was baffled but I try not to question a writer's decision too much. (I tend to trust the DA writing team more than the ME team). I write quite a bit, I know how much can change with a plot or what you would want your character to be or do. And if you as the writer become attached to a character or find a way for them to bring out an interesting viewpoint then you'll keep a hold on them. Though, I can't say too much because I don't know what is going on in Mr. Gaider's head - that's just my take on it.

I think Cullen posessed the qualities of a templar that embodied duty and honor. He obviously takes his job very seriously, yet he still expresses sympathy for the mages in dire situations. Maybe that's whey the BioWare team brought him back? I think the same thing happened with Anders; he had everything they wanted to make the DA2 plot work, and bringing back a familiar face would warrant sympathy and understanding (because if you took Anders anywhere enough you KNOW templars and mages is ALL he talked about!)

(Also, it has been said that we should treat most of the epilogue slides as "rumors"...)

Modifié par PhantomGinger, 20 mai 2013 - 02:50 .

[R2s Muse]

Oh yes, we know that the epilogues are "hearsay and rumor." But there was some discussion of the exact contents of the epilogues the other night, which is why I dug them out. Moreover, I think it's pretty obvious that Cullen's were majorly retconned. Takes an awful lot of tapdancing to make them fit what happened in Witch Hunt and DA2... which of course they could still do! LOL That would be ... interesting.

I would laugh so hard if they joked about them, tho.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 20 mai 2013 - 02:59 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Narcia_ wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

[/i]I still wonder to this day why they decided to make Cullen the Knight Captain in DA2. I know they like to bring old familar faces foward into the next installment to maintain some connection with the previous game, but Cullen was obscure and minor enough that it wouldn't have really mattered if they'd used someone else, or someone entirely new. His epilogue sliders in DA:O are very specific, and were clearly meant to be taken as gospel truth at time DA:O was made. I don't think Cullen even had all that much attention after DA:O to really make them stand up and take notice. Perhaps a couple of the devs/writers themselves had a bit of a thing for him, and that's what swung it for him?

I bet that it was one (or some) of the writers that thought it would make for a better connection to the first game to have a somewhat recognizeable character return. I also guess that it was because Greg Ellis wasn't available to record all of Anders dialogue. Pure speculation on my part, but I still feel that may be part of why they brought Cullen back for a small role in Kirkwall.

I'm glad they did, anyway :happy:

Also, some great stuff on 1800 <3 we really are going to be at 2000 before you know it. Are we coming up for a theme there, too? The Future of Cullen? Cullen DA:I posters? How he'll fit into the new Thedas?

Just seems strange that they picked him over another potential character, especially since he barely has any significance at all in anything but the female mage origins.

Anyway, I don't think we've planned anything for 2000 yet. Since they are releasing DA3 info at E3, by then we should have some ideas for it. Maybe something to do with the protagonist x Cullen if we finally get a Surname and the default names of the male and female protagonist.

I like the ideas. We have some time yet to decide. If it comes after E3, it would be cool to wait and see what we learn there first.

[Twice a Lady]

LolaLei wrote...

Dunquixote wrote...

Maybe have us submit pictures of our protagonist that wants to romance him officially--whether it's your Hawke or Surana or Amell, and make an image with them all surrounding Cullen and fighting over him? Or maybe someone could make a comic style image of a dialogue happening between all of our protagonists with him? :-)

Oh! I have a random question. Does anyone here play the Sims 3? And if you do, have you made a Cullen yet?

Lol, I guess it depends if they show us the new protagonist or something, since neither my Hawke or Warden wanted to romance him (although my Hawke would have if he had been available). I've kinda got him stamped as my new protagonist's official love interest (unless it turns out that he isn't a companion or romanceable). Also, I'm crap at drawing lol!

I've played The Sims 3, but not for a long time. I used to love The Sims 1, The Sims 2 was good but I lost interest in it pretty quickly. I've never made Cullen in anything yet, I don't think I've even tried to recreate him in DA2 on my Xbox 360 lol.

I actually have a ruff sketch of a one panel comic I'm working on with Cullen and my imagined DA:I protag. As for the other games, my Amell was a sweet, demure, goody two shoes and I envisioned her and Cullen as an innocent puppy love, like hand holding is as far as it ever went kind of thing. My Hawke and Cullen are my UST couple...well, until recently, but one swallow doesn't make a summer, right? I guess when it comes down to it, I'm kinda holding out for his OTP romance with the DA:I protag...I shouldn't, because if he's not in the game...or I don't like what he's become...

[LolaLei]

PhantomGinger wrote...

 I always got the "mage killer Cullen" slide at the end - ALWAYS. When he returned in DA2, I was baffled but I try not to question a writer's decision too much. (I tend to trust the DA writing team more than the ME team). I write quite a bit, I know how much can change with a plot or what you would want your character to be or do. And if you as the writer become attached to a character or find a way for them to bring out an interesting viewpoint then you'll keep a hold on them. Though, I can't say too much because I don't know what is going on in Mr. Gaider's head - that's just my take on it.

I think Cullen posessed the qualities of a templar that embodied duty and honor. He obviously takes his job very seriously, yet he still expresses sympathy for the mages in dire situations. Maybe that's whey the BioWare team brought him back? I think the same thing happened with Anders; he had everything they wanted to make the DA2 plot work, and bringing back a familiar face would warrant sympathy and understanding (because if you took Anders anywhere enough you KNOW templars and mages is ALL he talked about!)

(Also, it has been said that we should treat most of the epilogue slides as "rumors"...)

That's true. His DA:O storyline was interesting enough to warrant taking him further, but it's due to his inclusion in DA2 that really got the ball rolling.

If they'd kept him similar to his DA:O epilogues and had him running around killing every mage in sight and being a douche then he wouldn't have been particularly interesting at all because that's exactly what we would have expected of him. It's down to the fact that his personal growth and story took a surprising turn (given his past and experiences) that really caught people's imaginations, because prior to DA2 no-one would have ever, for a second thought that he'd end up question the Order again, let alone risk his life shielding Hawke from Meredith's sword and subsequently aid Hawke 'n' co to defeat his superior.

It's easy for people to say "yeah but he only sided with Hawke to save his own arse because he knew they'd kill him", but you try jumping in front of a madman brandishing a knife, sword, or gun knowing for well that said person could easily just strike you down and kill you where you stand to get to the other person. And all this for someone that wasn't even that much of a close personal friend (if at all).

That takes balls and A LOT of bravery. <3

Modifié par LolaLei, 20 mai 2013 - 03:04 .

[HurricaneGinger]

Haha, like LolaLei's dialogue! Poor Cullen, after one little meltdown he is forever labeled as a mage killer. XD

[R2s Muse]

Twice a Lady wrote...

I actually have a ruff sketch of a one panel comic I'm working on with Cullen and my imagined DA:I protag. As for the other games, my Amell was a sweet, demure, goody two shoes and I envisioned her and Cullen as an innocent puppy love, like hand holding is as far as it ever went kind of thing. My Hawke and Cullen are my UST couple...well, until recently, but one swallow doesn't make a summer, right? I guess when it comes down to it, I'm kinda holding out for his OTP romance with the DA:I protag...I shouldn't, because if he's not in the game...or I don't like what he's become...

I almost choked when I read this the first time... and drew I think the completely wrong conclusion. LOL My first thought was, "well, one swallow... doesn't really seem like unresolved sexual tension anymore." Bwahahaha! OH dear.

[HurricaneGinger]

LolaLei wrote...

PhantomGinger wrote...

 I always got the "mage killer Cullen" slide at the end - ALWAYS. When he returned in DA2, I was baffled but I try not to question a writer's decision too much. (I tend to trust the DA writing team more than the ME team). I write quite a bit, I know how much can change with a plot or what you would want your character to be or do. And if you as the writer become attached to a character or find a way for them to bring out an interesting viewpoint then you'll keep a hold on them. Though, I can't say too much because I don't know what is going on in Mr. Gaider's head - that's just my take on it.

I think Cullen posessed the qualities of a templar that embodied duty and honor. He obviously takes his job very seriously, yet he still expresses sympathy for the mages in dire situations. Maybe that's whey the BioWare team brought him back? I think the same thing happened with Anders; he had everything they wanted to make the DA2 plot work, and bringing back a familiar face would warrant sympathy and understanding (because if you took Anders anywhere enough you KNOW templars and mages is ALL he talked about!)

(Also, it has been said that we should treat most of the epilogue slides as "rumors"...)

That's true. His DA:O storyline was interesting enough to warrant taking him further, but it's due to his inclusion in DA2 that really got the ball rolling.

If they'd kept him similar to his DA:O epilogues and had him running around killing every mage in sight and being a douche then he wouldn't have been particularly interesting at all because that's exactly what we would have expected of him. It's down to the fact that his personal growth and story took a surprising turn (given his past and experiences) that really caught people's imaginations, because prior to DA2 no-one would have ever, for a second thought that he'd end up question the Order again, let alone risk his life shielding Hawke from Meredith's sword and subsequently aid Hawke 'n' co to defeat his superior.

It's easy for people to say "yeah but he only sided with Hawke to save his own arse because he knew they'd kill him", but you try jumping in front of a madman brandishing a knife, sword, or gun knowing for well that said person could easily just strike you down and kill you where you stand to get to the other person. And all this for someone that wasn't even that much of a close personal friend (if at all).

That takes balls and A LOT of bravery. <3

I agree! Sure he may have been trained to put himself in harm's way as most military men (and women) are, but it does take some real balls to stand up to a superior because it's a) the right thing, and that **** be crazy.


And Jesus' bawls, you guys move fast in this thread! XD

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

I actually have a ruff sketch of a one panel comic I'm working on with Cullen and my imagined DA:I protag. As for the other games, my Amell was a sweet, demure, goody two shoes and I envisioned her and Cullen as an innocent puppy love, like hand holding is as far as it ever went kind of thing. My Hawke and Cullen are my UST couple...well, until recently, but one swallow doesn't make a summer, right? I guess when it comes down to it, I'm kinda holding out for his OTP romance with the DA:I protag...I shouldn't, because if he's not in the game...or I don't like what he's become...

I almost choked when I read this the first time... and drew I think the completely wrong conclusion. LOL My first thought was, "well, one swallow... doesn't really seem like unresolved sexual tension anymore." Bwahahaha! OH dear.

LMAO, me too! 

[LolaLei]

PhantomGinger wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

PhantomGinger wrote...

 I always got the "mage killer Cullen" slide at the end - ALWAYS. When he returned in DA2, I was baffled but I try not to question a writer's decision too much. (I tend to trust the DA writing team more than the ME team). I write quite a bit, I know how much can change with a plot or what you would want your character to be or do. And if you as the writer become attached to a character or find a way for them to bring out an interesting viewpoint then you'll keep a hold on them. Though, I can't say too much because I don't know what is going on in Mr. Gaider's head - that's just my take on it.

I think Cullen posessed the qualities of a templar that embodied duty and honor. He obviously takes his job very seriously, yet he still expresses sympathy for the mages in dire situations. Maybe that's whey the BioWare team brought him back? I think the same thing happened with Anders; he had everything they wanted to make the DA2 plot work, and bringing back a familiar face would warrant sympathy and understanding (because if you took Anders anywhere enough you KNOW templars and mages is ALL he talked about!)

(Also, it has been said that we should treat most of the epilogue slides as "rumors"...)

That's true. His DA:O storyline was interesting enough to warrant taking him further, but it's due to his inclusion in DA2 that really got the ball rolling.

If they'd kept him similar to his DA:O epilogues and had him running around killing every mage in sight and being a douche then he wouldn't have been particularly interesting at all because that's exactly what we would have expected of him. It's down to the fact that his personal growth and story took a surprising turn (given his past and experiences) that really caught people's imaginations, because prior to DA2 no-one would have ever, for a second thought that he'd end up question the Order again, let alone risk his life shielding Hawke from Meredith's sword and subsequently aid Hawke 'n' co to defeat his superior.

It's easy for people to say "yeah but he only sided with Hawke to save his own arse because he knew they'd kill him", but you try jumping in front of a madman brandishing a knife, sword, or gun knowing for well that said person could easily just strike you down and kill you where you stand to get to the other person. And all this for someone that wasn't even that much of a close personal friend (if at all).

That takes balls and A LOT of bravery. <3

I agree! Sure he may have been trained to put himself in harm's way as most military men (and women) are, but it does take some real balls to stand up to a superior because it's a) the right thing, and that **** be crazy.


And Jesus' bawls, you guys move fast in this thread! XD

Especially one with red lyrium coarsing through her veins! 

[Dunquixote]

PhantomGinger wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

PhantomGinger wrote...

 I always got the "mage killer Cullen" slide at the end - ALWAYS. When he returned in DA2, I was baffled but I try not to question a writer's decision too much. (I tend to trust the DA writing team more than the ME team). I write quite a bit, I know how much can change with a plot or what you would want your character to be or do. And if you as the writer become attached to a character or find a way for them to bring out an interesting viewpoint then you'll keep a hold on them. Though, I can't say too much because I don't know what is going on in Mr. Gaider's head - that's just my take on it.

I think Cullen posessed the qualities of a templar that embodied duty and honor. He obviously takes his job very seriously, yet he still expresses sympathy for the mages in dire situations. Maybe that's whey the BioWare team brought him back? I think the same thing happened with Anders; he had everything they wanted to make the DA2 plot work, and bringing back a familiar face would warrant sympathy and understanding (because if you took Anders anywhere enough you KNOW templars and mages is ALL he talked about!)

(Also, it has been said that we should treat most of the epilogue slides as "rumors"...)

That's true. His DA:O storyline was interesting enough to warrant taking him further, but it's due to his inclusion in DA2 that really got the ball rolling.

If they'd kept him similar to his DA:O epilogues and had him running around killing every mage in sight and being a douche then he wouldn't have been particularly interesting at all because that's exactly what we would have expected of him. It's down to the fact that his personal growth and story took a surprising turn (given his past and experiences) that really caught people's imaginations, because prior to DA2 no-one would have ever, for a second thought that he'd end up question the Order again, let alone risk his life shielding Hawke from Meredith's sword and subsequently aid Hawke 'n' co to defeat his superior.

It's easy for people to say "yeah but he only sided with Hawke to save his own arse because he knew they'd kill him", but you try jumping in front of a madman brandishing a knife, sword, or gun knowing for well that said person could easily just strike you down and kill you where you stand to get to the other person. And all this for someone that wasn't even that much of a close personal friend (if at all).

That takes balls and A LOT of bravery. <3

I agree! Sure he may have been trained to put himself in harm's way as most military men (and women) are, but it does take some real balls to stand up to a superior because it's a) the right thing, and that **** be crazy.


And Jesus' bawls, you guys move fast in this thread! XD

hehe.  Yep!  I'm working on a web outline for school, and I'm alt-tabbing too, to check on the forums, and I find four more posts on the page after my last post lol.

[LolaLei]

It's odd that the thread has suddenly picked up again even though we have no news. For about 2 months it was literally dying on it's arse, moving at one page a day, if that.

I guess what with E3 fast approaching and the latest Cullen hate threads it's pumped some life back into this place.

[R2s Muse]

PhantomGinger wrote...

I agree! Sure he may have been trained to put himself in harm's way as most military men (and women) are, but it does take some real balls to stand up to a superior because it's a) the right thing, and that **** be crazy.

This is increasingly one of my favorite things about him as a character, that he represents a slightly more realistic type of heroism where the typical person still has doubts and doesn't immediately jump infront of a speeding train to save the passengers/the LI/the world.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

It's odd that the thread has suddenly picked up again even though we have no news. For about 2 months it was literally dying on it's arse, moving at one page a day, if that.

I guess what with E3 fast approaching and the latest Cullen hate threads it's pumped some life back into this place.

... and new folks. With new folks even "old" conversations feel "new" again.

Lola with you... I literally can just paraphrase a whole discussion... and you get it!

Yay newbies!! <3<3

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It's odd that the thread has suddenly picked up again even though we have no news. For about 2 months it was literally dying on it's arse, moving at one page a day, if that.

I guess what with E3 fast approaching and the latest Cullen hate threads it's pumped some life back into this place.

... and new folks. With new folks even "old" conversations feel "new" again.

Lola with you... I literally can just paraphrase a whole discussion... and you get it!

Yay newbies!! <3<3

LOL and the newbies! <3<3<3

[Twice a Lady]

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

I actually have a ruff sketch of a one panel comic I'm working on with Cullen and my imagined DA:I protag. As for the other games, my Amell was a sweet, demure, goody two shoes and I envisioned her and Cullen as an innocent puppy love, like hand holding is as far as it ever went kind of thing. My Hawke and Cullen are my UST couple...well, until recently, but one swallow doesn't make a summer, right? I guess when it comes down to it, I'm kinda holding out for his OTP romance with the DA:I protag...I shouldn't, because if he's not in the game...or I don't like what he's become...

I almost choked when I read this the first time... and drew I think the completely wrong conclusion. LOL My first thought was, "well, one swallow... doesn't really seem like unresolved sexual tension anymore." Bwahahaha! OH dear.

I will shamefully admit to using that saying on purpose because of the double entendre it invokes. 

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

PhantomGinger wrote...

I agree! Sure he may have been trained to put himself in harm's way as most military men (and women) are, but it does take some real balls to stand up to a superior because it's a) the right thing, and that **** be crazy.

This is increasingly one of my favorite things about him as a character, that he represents a slightly more realistic type of heroism where the typical person still has doubts and doesn't immediately jump infront of a speeding train to save the passengers/the LI/the world.

I'll give BioWare that, they certainly know how to make a character feel real, especially since the protagonist has to be the hero even if he/she protests about it. The companions, on the other hand, are unpredictable just like real people and they'll do things that you won't expect and often refuse to change their view point, even if they know they're in the wrong. They don't have to be the hero, they just have to be themselves.

[Jean]

I can actually remember what I was going through my mind when I first played DA2 and he popped at

When that templar recruit first mentioned him I was kinda spacing out and didn't recognize she was talking about Cullen even though he was one of the few NPCs that I remembered from my Origins playthroughs.
I was thinking more along the lines of "Okay, find "knight-captain Cullen", he's probably going to die... Cullen.. Sounds familiar.
*sees character* oh..oh..OH. THAT GUY. bb didn't you go cray cray cause I didn't love you?"

followed by "10/10 Hawke would bang."

Modifié par Batteries, 20 mai 2013 - 03:29 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

PhantomGinger wrote...

I agree! Sure he may have been trained to put himself in harm's way as most military men (and women) are, but it does take some real balls to stand up to a superior because it's a) the right thing, and that **** be crazy.

This is increasingly one of my favorite things about him as a character, that he represents a slightly more realistic type of heroism where the typical person still has doubts and doesn't immediately jump infront of a speeding train to save the passengers/the LI/the world.

I'll give BioWare that, they certainly know how to make a character feel real, especially since the protagonist has to be the hero even if he/she protests about it. The companions, on the other hand, are unpredictable just like real people and they'll do things that you won't expect and often refuse to change their view point, even if they know they're in the wrong. They don't have to be the hero, they just have to be themselves.

That's a good point. Gah, I wish I could just let my approvals fall where they may and see if anyone ditches me at the end of DA2. LOL For realistic characters, I never let them be *so* realistic that they don't just love, love, love me.

[R2s Muse]

Twice a Lady wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

I actually have a ruff sketch of a one panel comic I'm working on with Cullen and my imagined DA:I protag. As for the other games, my Amell was a sweet, demure, goody two shoes and I envisioned her and Cullen as an innocent puppy love, like hand holding is as far as it ever went kind of thing. My Hawke and Cullen are my UST couple...well, until recently, but one swallow doesn't make a summer, right? I guess when it comes down to it, I'm kinda holding out for his OTP romance with the DA:I protag...I shouldn't, because if he's not in the game...or I don't like what he's become...

I almost choked when I read this the first time... and drew I think the completely wrong conclusion. LOL My first thought was, "well, one swallow... doesn't really seem like unresolved sexual tension anymore." Bwahahaha! OH dear.

I will shamefully admit to using that saying on purpose because of the double entendre it invokes. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Heh heh. Not shameful.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 20 mai 2013 - 03:29 .