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[HurricaneGinger]

Creating a distinctive character is hard sometimes. With Mass Effect all my FemSheps end up looking the same one way or another - then I reboot them and drastically change them up. With the DA2 CC...Maker save me, I could NOT make my Hawke look different! The most I could do was give her a really long nose or a different hair style. Sometimes it just takes some practice and know-how...heck, I take a hard look at facial anatomy most of the time! But the DA2 CC that was near impossible. T_T

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

I actually have a ruff sketch of a one panel comic I'm working on with Cullen and my imagined DA:I protag. As for the other games, my Amell was a sweet, demure, goody two shoes and I envisioned her and Cullen as an innocent puppy love, like hand holding is as far as it ever went kind of thing. My Hawke and Cullen are my UST couple...well, until recently, but one swallow doesn't make a summer, right? I guess when it comes down to it, I'm kinda holding out for his OTP romance with the DA:I protag...I shouldn't, because if he's not in the game...or I don't like what he's become...

I almost choked when I read this the first time... and drew I think the completely wrong conclusion. LOL My first thought was, "well, one swallow... doesn't really seem like unresolved sexual tension anymore." Bwahahaha! OH dear.

LMAO, me too! 

Chiming in to say I also read it ... that way 

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

Sadly, I'm too much of a structured planner now. The only thing I spoil myself on is character/LI approvals. I think the first reason I came to BSN forums was to read a transcribed copy of the DA2 romance guide from the Strat Guide...

Same. When it comes to romances, my anxiety level goes through the roof. The first time I played DA2, I looked up Fenris' romance online and was super careful to get approval from him at every opportunity and to make sure I did his quests in order. The second I thought I'd done something wrong I damn near had a panic attack!

*shakes head at self* 

[LolaLei]

PhantomGinger wrote...

Creating a distinctive character is hard sometimes. With Mass Effect all my FemSheps end up looking the same one way or another - then I reboot them and drastically change them up. With the DA2 CC...Maker save me, I could NOT make my Hawke look different! The most I could do was give her a really long nose or a different hair style. Sometimes it just takes some practice and know-how...heck, I take a hard look at facial anatomy most of the time! But the DA2 CC that was near impossible. T_T

The devs keep hinting about how much customisation there is in DA3 during Sprint Review days, so it sounds like it'll at least be a bit better than DA2's CC. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Twice a Lady wrote...

Speaking of ugliness of characters or rather their appearance, anyone here ever visit the Black Emporium just to change how you look? Sometimes my characters look good on the make up screen, but once you start playing them and seeing their face move or their make up in other light it's YEESH.
 
I also go and change my hair and makeup with each plot based passage of time, or if I'm really bored, each outfit.

Yes, I always build off the bald head (the head immediately after default BroHawke) but just once I wanted to try and get a new Bethany and Carver... so I tinkered around with one of the heads towards the end. Played with it for nigh on an hour until I was satisifed. Started the game and... HIDEOUS!!!!

Getting through the Lothering part was torturous. I was counting the seconds until I could get to the mirror and give that MFer a makeover!

[CuriousArtemis]

Twice a Lady wrote...


UGH, I hate saying this, but some of my favourite playthroughs are my hypocrite playthroughs where I act according to what the party members with me would like (whether or not I did the exact opposite with another party member in another quest). That way everyone is my friend. I started playing this way because of Fenris. He hated me and yelled at me in my first playthrough and as I mentioned earlier I had to kill him, but I really liked him and wanted him to like me to...I'm such an approval ****.

I used to do this until I figured out how to mod my saves  Now I give everyone 100 friendship as soon as I meet them xD

[CuriousArtemis]

Twice a Lady wrote...

It took me ages [/b]to create a good lookng Shepard.

Same. Finally I went looking for a nice pre-set and that's what I'm doing now. Really happy I did this because he is a looker!!! Love my Shep

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

Speaking of ugliness of characters or rather their appearance, anyone here ever visit the Black Emporium just to change how you look? Sometimes my characters look good on the make up screen, but once you start playing them and seeing their face move or their make up in other light it's YEESH.
 
I also go and change my hair and makeup with each plot based passage of time, or if I'm really bored, each outfit.

Yes, I always build off the bald head (the head immediately after default BroHawke) but just once I wanted to try and get a new Bethany and Carver... so I tinkered around with one of the heads towards the end. Played with it for nigh on an hour until I was satisifed. Started the game and... HIDEOUS!!!!

Getting through the Lothering part was torturous. I was counting the seconds until I could get to the mirror and give that MFer a makeover!

I always start off with a bald protagonist as a base too so that I can see all the available features clearly, and then finally pick a hairstyle that most suits the face right at the end. Using makeup was a real ****e too, what looked awesome in CC would always look like bloody clown makeup in-game. 

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

It took me ages [/b]to create a good lookng Shepard.

Same. Finally I went looking for a nice pre-set and that's what I'm doing now. Really happy I did this because he is a looker!!! Love my Shep

I adore how my canon male Hawke looks, I'll be recreating him on the PC precisely as he looks on the Xbox 360. It took a long time to get him just right though.

That's one of the reasons why I want face-codes available in DA3 (like the ones ME3 had) that way I can easily recreate a character or tinker with it's facial features at the beginning of a new game without having to start from scratch every time.

[Jean]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who starts with a bald head and works from there lol

[LolaLei]

Batteries wrote...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who starts with a bald head and works from there lol

I find it's the best way to see the facial features clearly, kinda like how we push our hair back out of the way when putting on makeup or washing our face etc, you can't do it properly when your hair is in the way, lol.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who starts with a bald head and works from there lol

I find it's the best way to see the facial features clearly, kinda like how we push our hair back out of the way when putting on makeup or washing our face etc, you can't do it properly when your hair is in the way, lol.

Wow, I have never done this! What an interesting idea...  You know I do find that I design a face with a certain hairstyle, and then if I start to change up the hair, suddenly she looks like crap. So I've been doing the opposite and picking the hair first. LOL

On the extra customization they promise with DA3, that actually worries me a little with respect to the cc. After using the SWTOR cc, which had fewer options but worked better IMO, I think the problem with the DA cc is that it has too many degrees of freedom. With DA, I  have no idea what makes an attractive face and the fact that I can change every little contour and angle on the face without knowing what I'm doing makes me end up with really weird looking faces half the time. I twitch something that looks good head on, and then rotate her and her cheekbone is sticking out in a point. Weird stuff. So, for this reason, by and large I think most players end up pretty close to the presets and we're all clones running around. One of my Hawkes is actually a dead ringer for Norah, the Hanging Man barmaid. LOL

So, tl;dr: I hope the DA3 extra customization doesn't mean that they add even more toggles to the cc (unless it's to add body type or things like that).

[neonmoth]

Warning: wall of text follows

LolaLei wrote...
Perhaps we should save a copy of it and just copy paste it everytime some makes one of those threads?

I can just imagine a debate looking like this "...and to address this particular issue see point 5 paragraph 8 in our Archive of Wise Thoughts Regarding Cullen" But I agree, there are many nice posts that give an interesting insight on other people's pov. I very much like this post by CulturalGeekGirl.

rapscallioness wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...
Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.

My, God. lmao! Well...I guess he got better?

You see, I found it perfectly believable, considering the state he was left in after the events of the Broken Circle. Interestingly enough, I never thought (& never wanted it really) that Cullen would reappear in the future installments (save for a crazy cameo maybe). For me he was this tragic character that went from shy, slightly awkward guy to completely broken person, and his story arch was more or less closed.

I always loved the potential he gave to the story. One of my favourite playthroughts was a female Amell, who was a libertarian, a secret blood mage (right from the start of the game, I guess she could hide it well , deeply in love with Jowan (yes, she betrayed him, being completely p***** off when he decided to escape with Lily) and supporter of Uldred's ideas. I left Broken Cirle questline for the mid game since I wanted it to become a culminating moment in the character's development, i.e. change after seeing how destructive and uncontrollable force magic could become, and I used Cullen's ordeal as an important factor in this change, since she knew him, she thought his little crush was sweet and seeing him tormented had a deep personal impact on her. Delicious.

LolaLei wrote...
So much of a threat that he let blood mages return to the Gallows, felt sorry for Feynriel in his Fade induced coma,
saved three mages from Meredith's wrath, help fight and kill his superior with a mage Hawke/Hawke's mage companions, and allowed a mage Hawke to escape/Hawke's mage friends to escape/will bow to a mage Hawke
if you sided with the Templars.

...and that's where I started to think that his story had quite a potential, since it was nothing I would expect from him after I finished the first game (even without slides depicting him as a loony). And, as I said it earlier, to some extent his behaviour made me think more about the mage/templar conflict and try to understand motivations of both sides (I love playing mages so I tend to skew towards their pov). Afterall, you cannot address a problem where several sides are concerned without understanding different viepoints of those involved.

LolaLei wrote...
I still wonder to this day why they decided to make Cullen the Knight Captain in DA2. I know they like to bring old familar faces foward into the next installment to maintain some connection with the previous game, but Cullen was obscure and minor enough that it wouldn't have really mattered if they'd used someone else, or someone entirely new.

This is exactly what puzzles me, and adds to my interest in his character. Why to reintroduce an old and minor character when they could make a spanky new one who did not have any preconceptions attached to him? Why to bring the character that by many would be considered a crazy fanatic even before they had a chance to talk to/see him? Mind boggling. And the fact that he had this interesting and believable development over the course of game is what makes me curious about his future. That's why I hope it is not the end of his story.

Narcia_ wrote...
I bet that it was one (or some) of the writers that thought it would make for a better connection to the first game to have a somewhat recognizeable character return. I also guess that it was because Greg Ellis wasn't available to record all of Anders dialogue. Pure speculation on my part, but I still feel that may be part of why they brought Cullen back for a small role in Kirkwall. Welcome to all the new faces. Glad to have you here!

That would be my guess as well, though it is still surprising, since for many people his character would have quite a negative association. On the other hand, at least in my case it worked, i.e. he surprised me and further captured my attention. And I love Greg Ellis' voice so I'm glad he reappeared.
And well, hello to you too :]

PhantomGinger wrote...
I always got the "mage killer Cullen" slide at the end - ALWAYS. When he returned in DA2, I was baffled but I
try not to question a writer's decision too much. (I tend to trust the DA writing team more than the ME team). I write quite a bit, I know how much can change with a plot or what you would want your character to be or do. And if you as the writer become attached to a character or find a way for them to bring out an interesting viewpoint then you'll keep a hold on them. Though, I can't say too much because I don't know what is going on in Mr. Gaider's head - that's just my take on it.

I like the idea spread by LolaLei that "he was probably always just meant to be a minor npc character seen only in DA:O, but for some reason the guy just refuses to go unheard" --> Cullen, fuelled by the interest of his die-hard fans, takes control over David Gaider and starts to write himself

Twice a Lady wrote...
My Hawke and Cullen are my UST couple...well, until recently, but one swallow doesn't make a summer, right?

I like what you did there

R2s Muse wrote...
This is increasingly one of my favorite things about him as a character, that he represents a slightly more realistic type of heroism where the typical person still has doubts and doesn't immediately jump infront of a speeding train to save the passengers/the LI/the world.

You capture very well my toughts on the matter. I even like that there is a dissonance between what he says and what he does. I take it that the things he says reflect beliefs he thinks he ought to have as a templar, the ones he thinks are right/expected from him, but at the same time he has doubts and that's why he acts the way he does (not always consistently with his words).

And yay for your yay for newbies. I must admit that I am here mostly because I find you all a lovely bunch :] However much I like Cullen, I must say that I like many (if not all) DA characters but never felt tempted to join a fan party before. I guess the inspiration came with all the hate/dislike threads, which I find utterly puzzling yet fascinating (I was mostly on ME forums).

Edit: cause this forum hates me... and I suck with spelling...

Modifié par neonmoth, 20 mai 2013 - 01:23 .

[neonmoth]

R2s Muse wrote...
On the extra customization they promise with DA3, that actually worries me a little with respect to the cc. After using the SWTOR cc, which had fewer options but worked better IMO, I think the problem with the DA cc is that it has too many degrees of freedom. With DA, I  have no idea what makes an attractive face and the fact that I can change every little contour and angle on the face without knowing what I'm doing makes me end up with really weird looking faces half the time. I twitch something that looks good head on, and then rotate her and her cheekbone is sticking out in a point. Weird stuff. So, for this reason, by and large I think most players end up pretty close to the presets and we're all clones running around. One of my Hawkes is actually a dead ringer for Norah, the Hanging Man barmaid. LOL

So, tl;dr: I hope the DA3 extra customization doesn't mean that they add even more toggles to the cc (unless it's to add body type or things like that).

That's interesting, I actuall felt that it was impossible to make an original face due to limited sliders :happy: I guess I might be used to tweaking characters in many different games. What bugged me the most was that they gave plenty of sliders that were completely unnecessary (some face sliders, neck and ears, wth?!), where any tweaks would result in hidious looking features or minor, not significant changes regardless of your efforts. At the same time they did not give enough customization for features that truly could give a unique look without changing too much. My major pet peeve were lips, they all looked the same, furthermore I could only change thei size or width. Simply for this reason all characters carry a strange resemblance to each other. That's why I'm quite curious about the new cc features but I agree with you in this respect that I hope they won't add plenty of completely worthless sliders, I would prefer to have less but more defined ones.

@SilverMoonDragon, I also use boldies, for similar reasons many have mentioned in this thread. One less thing to distract and it allows to see all the features unobstructed :]

[LolaLei]

Dragons Dogma was too much for me. That character creator! So much choice, but my god all my protagonists ended up looking like sh!t!

[SamaraDraven]

PhantomGinger wrote...

Aveline is a tank, she don't take no **** from no body! (Seriously though, that woman does NOT go down!)

Can't believe there's another Cullen hate thread. It seems as soon as one is started others follow to stir the pot. Oh well.

OMG! :lol: I know I'm like waaaaay behind on this subject but this is pretty much perfect! :wub:

[SamaraDraven]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

 I guess he may have still killed those apprentices before being sent to Greenfell, but until he tells us that directly we'll never know for sure.

FWIW, I ran across the text from the crazy epilogue in my files, and this still isn't really compatible with going to Greenfell, IMO. Doesn't really seem like an escaped madman would later be set free, Greenfell rehabilitation or no. Also, for the record, it does name Cullen by name.

The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.

And for completeness, the other one:

Once
the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his
post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the
Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he
perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more
strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled
the Circle with fear.

Thanks R2! I'm still replaying to try and get that slide but DAO combat is soooo sluggish and bumming me out! <_< So I'm glad we know. I truly couldn't recall Cullen's name being mentioned but there it is. So... It was out and out retconned. Which still means that according to canon, it didn't happen. However, it would have been nice, in my opinion, if the writers had tried to explain it rather than say "It never happened". By explain, I mean they could have written... I dunno, something to say that it wasn't Cullen after all. They could have said that it was another knight who went beserk while Cullen was in Greenfell. Hand waving it just caused problems. Maybe I'm naive about game development but how much trouble would it have been to have Hawke "overhear" something about Cullen, ask him about it and have him say how another templar took his identity while he was away? :devil:  Identity theft: it's a centuries old problem. hahaha!

[R2s Muse]

SamaraDraven wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

 I guess he may have still killed those apprentices before being sent to Greenfell, but until he tells us that directly we'll never know for sure.

FWIW, I ran across the text from the crazy epilogue in my files, and this still isn't really compatible with going to Greenfell, IMO. Doesn't really seem like an escaped madman would later be set free, Greenfell rehabilitation or no. Also, for the record, it does name Cullen by name.

The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.

And for completeness, the other one:

Once
the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his
post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the
Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he
perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more
strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled
the Circle with fear.

Thanks R2! I'm still replaying to try and get that slide but DAO combat is soooo sluggish and bumming me out! <_< So I'm glad we know. I truly couldn't recall Cullen's name being mentioned but there it is. So... It was out and out retconned. Which still means that according to canon, it didn't happen. However, it would have been nice, in my opinion, if the writers had tried to explain it rather than say "It never happened". By explain, I mean they could have written... I dunno, something to say that it wasn't Cullen after all. They could have said that it was another knight who went beserk while Cullen was in Greenfell. Hand waving it just caused problems. Maybe I'm naive about game development but how much trouble would it have been to have Hawke "overhear" something about Cullen, ask him about it and have him say how another templar took his identity while he was away? :devil:  Identity theft: it's a centuries old problem. hahaha!

Yeah. Or they easily could have a throw away line about all the crazy stories that were going around about him after he was the only survivor, and allow a chuckle at them. Something!

[SamaraDraven]

Anything would have been better than telling players that how they played a game and got the ending they got didn't matter. I know many hated that Leliana seemed to be brought back from the dead, even though that was a rumor as well. So doing some kind of writing for it would have helped tons!

[littlenikki]

R2s Muse wrote...

 Yeah. Or they easily could have a throw away line about all the crazy stories that were going around about him after he was the only survivor, and allow a chuckle at them. Something!

Hopefully something they'll include if Cullen turns up in DA3? 

[Twice a Lady]

Well, it's only 8 or so pages late, but here is my contribution to the cheesy romance novel covers. I finished it as quickly as I could...which seems to add to the cheesiness.
http://tamsolo.tumbl...age/50921943337

[R2s Muse]

Twice a Lady wrote...

Well, it's only 8 or so pages late, but here is my contribution to the cheesy romance novel covers. I finished it as quickly as I could...which seems to add to the cheesiness.
http://tamsolo.tumbl...age/50921943337

Adding to Page 1800!

edit: You mind if I put the actual image up, then link to your page?

edit again: OH!  Or, you have your own post on Page 1800. Want to add it yourself there?

Modifié par R2s Muse, 20 mai 2013 - 06:41 .

[Twice a Lady]

R2s Muse wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

Well, it's only 8 or so pages late, but here is my contribution to the cheesy romance novel covers. I finished it as quickly as I could...which seems to add to the cheesiness.
http://tamsolo.tumbl...age/50921943337

Adding to Page 1800!

edit: You mind if I put the actual image up, then link to your page?

edit again: OH!  Or, you have your own post on Page 1800. Want to add it yourself there?

I actually have no idea how to do that. I really have the worst computer skills. If you could do it for me, that would be great!

[meanieweenie]

Twice a Lady wrote...

Well, it's only 8 or so pages late, but here is my contribution to the cheesy romance novel covers. I finished it as quickly as I could...which seems to add to the cheesiness.
http://tamsolo.tumbl...age/50921943337

This.Is.Awesome!