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[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Chanda wrote...

So do you think Cullen would be a LI to a mage character? I wonder if it would be harder to sway him to a romantic relationship if your character is a mage, versus a rogue or warrior.

I think it'll be interesting to see how feels about a mage come DA3. I think he'll always have some general trust issues, but I could see him getting past those for someone he individually trusted. Now... blood mage, no way. One nice thing a mage has going for her in DA3 is that there's sort of no such thing as an apostate anymore with no Circles, so it'll be interesting seeing him adjust to that and maybe getting to know the PC is part of that adjustment.

Now... I have no idea how they would implement the romance. Given the resource limitations for the romances, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of customization of the story based on your class. But I'd love to be surprised.

Yeah, I couldn't see him romancing a blood mage.

It would be nice/refreshing to see a proper templar/mage romance work successfully in-game (I know Evangeline and Rhys are together but we didn't get to witness/experience it happening first-hand). Usually when you hear about mage/templar couplings it always ends in tragedy, like Wynne and whatever templar she was shagging in her youth, and that other one from the DA novel where the templar ends up striking down his mage lover at the end.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Lola just saw your Xbox vid. Sorry about your washing machine! LOL

The housemates tumble dryer broke after that too. :-S

D'oh... sounds like the vengeful xbox gods... watch out!!

Oh gawd, it really is Skynet! 

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Lola just saw your Xbox vid. Sorry about your washing machine! LOL

The housemates tumble dryer broke after that too. :-S

D'oh... sounds like the vengeful xbox gods... watch out!!

Oh gawd, it really is Skynet! 

LOL

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Chanda wrote...

So do you think Cullen would be a LI to a mage character? I wonder if it would be harder to sway him to a romantic relationship if your character is a mage, versus a rogue or warrior.

I think it'll be interesting to see how feels about a mage come DA3. I think he'll always have some general trust issues, but I could see him getting past those for someone he individually trusted. Now... blood mage, no way. One nice thing a mage has going for her in DA3 is that there's sort of no such thing as an apostate anymore with no Circles, so it'll be interesting seeing him adjust to that and maybe getting to know the PC is part of that adjustment.

Now... I have no idea how they would implement the romance. Given the resource limitations for the romances, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of customization of the story based on your class. But I'd love to be surprised.

Yeah, I couldn't see him romancing a blood mage.

It would be nice/refreshing to see a proper templar/mage romance work successfully in-game (I know Evangeline and Rhys are together but we didn't get to witness/experience it happening first-hand). Usually when you hear about mage/templar couplings it always ends in tragedy, like Wynne and whatever templar she was shagging in her youth, and that other one from the DA novel where the templar ends up striking down his mage lover at the end.

Gosh, you know, it just occurred to me that now that there are no Circles... they really could show us that for the first time! That would be awesome. Indeed, Rhys & Evangeline were too marginal (i.e. in the book, little screentime as a couple).  It would be nice to see done it right... then I expect to see Wynne mist up about how it never worked out for her and her mystery man, but at least future generations won't have to go through what she did.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Chanda wrote...

So do you think Cullen would be a LI to a mage character? I wonder if it would be harder to sway him to a romantic relationship if your character is a mage, versus a rogue or warrior.

I think it'll be interesting to see how feels about a mage come DA3. I think he'll always have some general trust issues, but I could see him getting past those for someone he individually trusted. Now... blood mage, no way. One nice thing a mage has going for her in DA3 is that there's sort of no such thing as an apostate anymore with no Circles, so it'll be interesting seeing him adjust to that and maybe getting to know the PC is part of that adjustment.

Now... I have no idea how they would implement the romance. Given the resource limitations for the romances, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of customization of the story based on your class. But I'd love to be surprised.

Yeah, I couldn't see him romancing a blood mage.

It would be nice/refreshing to see a proper templar/mage romance work successfully in-game (I know Evangeline and Rhys are together but we didn't get to witness/experience it happening first-hand). Usually when you hear about mage/templar couplings it always ends in tragedy, like Wynne and whatever templar she was shagging in her youth, and that other one from the DA novel where the templar ends up striking down his mage lover at the end.

Gosh, you know, it just occurred to me that now that there are no Circles... they really could show us that for the first time! That would be awesome. Indeed, Rhys & Evangeline were too marginal (i.e. in the book, little screentime as a couple).  It would be nice to see done it right... then I expect to see Wynne mist up about how it never worked out for her and her mystery man, but at least future generations won't have to go through what she did.

... She'll have to mist up from the grave, then! :lol:

Oh gawd, what if Cullen has to cut you down towards the end of the game (especially if you're a mage) and if you're romancing him he tells you to kill him instead so that he doesn't have to fight you etc. Then maybe you could just leg it instead so that we wouldn't have to kill him. 

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Chanda wrote...

So do you think Cullen would be a LI to a mage character? I wonder if it would be harder to sway him to a romantic relationship if your character is a mage, versus a rogue or warrior.

I think it'll be interesting to see how feels about a mage come DA3. I think he'll always have some general trust issues, but I could see him getting past those for someone he individually trusted. Now... blood mage, no way. One nice thing a mage has going for her in DA3 is that there's sort of no such thing as an apostate anymore with no Circles, so it'll be interesting seeing him adjust to that and maybe getting to know the PC is part of that adjustment.

Now... I have no idea how they would implement the romance. Given the resource limitations for the romances, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of customization of the story based on your class. But I'd love to be surprised.

Yeah, I couldn't see him romancing a blood mage.

It would be nice/refreshing to see a proper templar/mage romance work successfully in-game (I know Evangeline and Rhys are together but we didn't get to witness/experience it happening first-hand). Usually when you hear about mage/templar couplings it always ends in tragedy, like Wynne and whatever templar she was shagging in her youth, and that other one from the DA novel where the templar ends up striking down his mage lover at the end.

Gosh, you know, it just occurred to me that now that there are no Circles... they really could show us that for the first time! That would be awesome. Indeed, Rhys & Evangeline were too marginal (i.e. in the book, little screentime as a couple).  It would be nice to see done it right... then I expect to see Wynne mist up about how it never worked out for her and her mystery man, but at least future generations won't have to go through what she did.

... She'll have to mist up from the grave, then! :lol:

Oh gawd, what if Cullen has to cut you down towards the end of the game (especially if you're a mage) and if you're romancing him he tells you to kill him instead so that he doesn't have to fight you etc. Then maybe you could just leg it instead so that we wouldn't have to kill him. 

LOL OH YEAH!!! DERP! I forgot all that.

Oh man, *sniff* I could totally see something like that. I don't see BW making it all *that* tragic, tho. Not after what apparently happened at the end ME3. They'd risk turning the entire  BW fanbase catatonic. Folks can only take so much!

[Jean]

R2s Muse wrote...

Batteries wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, if Fenris can romance a mage, so can Cullen.

You know, Batteries, I still find your icon mesmerizing.... Sometimes it just catches my attention and I watch the petals blow away....

..

hmm, maybe that means it's time for bed! LOL

My scheme is working.

[Chanda]

I think that if the human Seeker/Inquisitor/Whatever the role is was to be a mage class, I would think that he or she would have the origin of being a mage from a circle who had passed their harrowing. Considering that in DA2 templars could be possessed by demons, and in the book Asunder even a tranquil was possessed, Cullen might look at it as, "Bloody Maker, anyone can be possessed." Who better to trust than a mage who has already dealt with demons in the Fade and passed their harrowing? That might be pushing it a bit, but I think after the events of DA2, he's definitely changing in the way he thinks, and he might not think of mages as being quite so at fault anymore.

[Chanda]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Chanda wrote...

So do you think Cullen would be a LI to a mage character? I wonder if it would be harder to sway him to a romantic relationship if your character is a mage, versus a rogue or warrior.

I think it'll be interesting to see how feels about a mage come DA3. I think he'll always have some general trust issues, but I could see him getting past those for someone he individually trusted. Now... blood mage, no way. One nice thing a mage has going for her in DA3 is that there's sort of no such thing as an apostate anymore with no Circles, so it'll be interesting seeing him adjust to that and maybe getting to know the PC is part of that adjustment.

Now... I have no idea how they would implement the romance. Given the resource limitations for the romances, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of customization of the story based on your class. But I'd love to be surprised.

Yeah, I couldn't see him romancing a blood mage.

It would be nice/refreshing to see a proper templar/mage romance work successfully in-game (I know Evangeline and Rhys are together but we didn't get to witness/experience it happening first-hand). Usually when you hear about mage/templar couplings it always ends in tragedy, like Wynne and whatever templar she was shagging in her youth, and that other one from the DA novel where the templar ends up striking down his mage lover at the end.

Gosh, you know, it just occurred to me that now that there are no Circles... they really could show us that for the first time! That would be awesome. Indeed, Rhys & Evangeline were too marginal (i.e. in the book, little screentime as a couple).  It would be nice to see done it right... then I expect to see Wynne mist up about how it never worked out for her and her mystery man, but at least future generations won't have to go through what she did.

I thought Wynne's lover was Gregoir? Didn't it say that in Asunder? I might have interjected that in when I was reading that Rhy's father was a templar.

[R2s Muse]

Chanda wrote...

I think that if the human Seeker/Inquisitor/Whatever the role is was to be a mage class, I would think that he or she would have the origin of being a mage from a circle who had passed their harrowing. Considering that in DA2 templars could be possessed by demons, and in the book Asunder even a tranquil was possessed, Cullen might look at it as, "Bloody Maker, anyone can be possessed." Who better to trust than a mage who has already dealt with demons in the Fade and passed their harrowing? That might be pushing it a bit, but I think after the events of DA2, he's definitely changing in the way he thinks, and he might not think of mages as being quite so at fault anymore.

You know, I'd really love to see them start trusting the Harrowing more as a test of a mage's control. Mages still seem to be feared regardless of having passed this hurdle.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 mai 2013 - 02:56 .

[R2s Muse]

Chanda wrote...

I thought Wynne's lover was Gregoir? Didn't it say that in Asunder? I might have interjected that in when I was reading that Rhy's father was a templar.

No, just that he was a templar. She was specifically cagey about it. (but I could totally see it being Greagoir, too!)

Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 mai 2013 - 02:55 .

[LolaLei]

Chanda wrote...

I think that if the human Seeker/Inquisitor/Whatever the role is was to be a mage class, I would think that he or she would have the origin of being a mage from a circle who had passed their harrowing. Considering that in DA2 templars could be possessed by demons, and in the book Asunder even a tranquil was possessed, Cullen might look at it as, "Bloody Maker, anyone can be possessed." Who better to trust than a mage who has already dealt with demons in the Fade and passed their harrowing? That might be pushing it a bit, but I think after the events of DA2, he's definitely changing in the way he thinks, and he might not think of mages as being quite so at fault anymore.

That's a good point! Come DA3 (if the veil really does rip open) in theory he should be at the point where he realises that no one is safe from demon possession. I've always felt that if he had to venture into the Fade then he'd see for himself what mages have to deal with. So, perhaps if he got to experience the Fade for himself and witness the protagonist tell a demon to bugger off and then slay it then he'd be more inclined to believe that she/he is strong enough both mentally, emotionally and physically to avoid possession etc. I mean, he says himself in DA:O that the Warden's Harrowing was the quickest and cleanest he's ever seen, so he knows that it can be done.

Modifié par LolaLei, 22 mai 2013 - 02:58 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Chanda wrote...

I think that if the human Seeker/Inquisitor/Whatever the role is was to be a mage class, I would think that he or she would have the origin of being a mage from a circle who had passed their harrowing. Considering that in DA2 templars could be possessed by demons, and in the book Asunder even a tranquil was possessed, Cullen might look at it as, "Bloody Maker, anyone can be possessed." Who better to trust than a mage who has already dealt with demons in the Fade and passed their harrowing? That might be pushing it a bit, but I think after the events of DA2, he's definitely changing in the way he thinks, and he might not think of mages as being quite so at fault anymore.

That's a good point! Come DA3 (if the veil really does rip open) in theory he should be at the point where he realises that no one is safe from demon possession. I've always felt that if he had to venture into the Fade then he'd see for himself what mages have to deal with. So, perhaps if he got to experience the Fade for himself and witness the protagonist tell a demon to bugger off and then slay it then he'd be more inclined to believe that she/he is strong enough both mentally, emotionally and physically to avoid possession etc. I mean, he says himself in DA:O that the Warden's Harrowing was the quickest and cleanest he's ever seen, so he knows that it can be done.

In some sense, he's already seen it with Wilmod, right? Even regular people can become abominations now. Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!

[LolaLei]

That also means that he's sat in for other harrowing. And if it was the cleanest then surely he'd seen one go wrong... in which case, why does he say that he's never seen a demon possession before?

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Chanda wrote...

I think that if the human Seeker/Inquisitor/Whatever the role is was to be a mage class, I would think that he or she would have the origin of being a mage from a circle who had passed their harrowing. Considering that in DA2 templars could be possessed by demons, and in the book Asunder even a tranquil was possessed, Cullen might look at it as, "Bloody Maker, anyone can be possessed." Who better to trust than a mage who has already dealt with demons in the Fade and passed their harrowing? That might be pushing it a bit, but I think after the events of DA2, he's definitely changing in the way he thinks, and he might not think of mages as being quite so at fault anymore.

That's a good point! Come DA3 (if the veil really does rip open) in theory he should be at the point where he realises that no one is safe from demon possession. I've always felt that if he had to venture into the Fade then he'd see for himself what mages have to deal with. So, perhaps if he got to experience the Fade for himself and witness the protagonist tell a demon to bugger off and then slay it then he'd be more inclined to believe that she/he is strong enough both mentally, emotionally and physically to avoid possession etc. I mean, he says himself in DA:O that the Warden's Harrowing was the quickest and cleanest he's ever seen, so he knows that it can be done.

In some sense, he's already seen it with Wilmod, right? Even regular people can become abominations now. Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!

Dogs and cats can also get possessed! 

[Jean]

Poor Mr. Wiggums.

On the plus side of being a gamer, I get to write an essay on why one should play video games - RPGs, to be even more specific.

Too bad I bloody hate english class. 

Modifié par Batteries, 22 mai 2013 - 03:04 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

That also means that he's sat in for other harrowing. And if it was the cleanest then surely he'd seen one go wrong... in which case, why does he say that he's never seen a demon possession before?

Or maybe he hadn't witnessed them first hand, but was aware that some apprentices didn't come back...?  Aw, naw, that really doesn't make sense does it?? 

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

That also means that he's sat in for other harrowing. And if it was the cleanest then surely he'd seen one go wrong... in which case, why does he say that he's never seen a demon possession before?

Or maybe he hadn't witnessed them first hand, but was aware that some apprentices didn't come back...?  Aw, naw, that really doesn't make sense does it?? 

Poor Cullen, forever oblivious and contradictory! 

[Twice a Lady]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

That also means that he's sat in for other harrowing. And if it was the cleanest then surely he'd seen one go wrong... in which case, why does he say that he's never seen a demon possession before?

Or maybe he hadn't witnessed them first hand, but was aware that some apprentices didn't come back...?  Aw, naw, that really doesn't make sense does it?? 

Poor Cullen, forever oblivious and contradictory! 

I would imagine he's been present at a few harrowings, none of which had gone wrong, since he had never seen a possession before, but maybe those ones were close calls or extra long or something. The harrowing is supposed to be quite trying on a Mage and our Warden just sort of breezes right through it.

[Jean]

Every Warden is a special snowflake.

I bet a non-mage Warden could pass the Harrowing as well. 

[Twice a Lady]

Batteries wrote...

Every Warden is a special snowflake.

I bet a non-mage Warden could pass the Harrowing as well. 

LOL well, they seem to navigate the Fade quite well, so the Harrowing should be a walk in the park to any class of Warden...plus they also killed a Broodmother, rid a tower of abominations, killed an Archdemon...in fact, the Warden probably keeps a summer house in the Fade just b/c they can!
...hey maybe that's why no one can find the Warden at the end of DA2!

Modifié par Twice a Lady, 22 mai 2013 - 03:40 .

[LolaLei]

Twice a Lady wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

That also means that he's sat in for other harrowing. And if it was the cleanest then surely he'd seen one go wrong... in which case, why does he say that he's never seen a demon possession before?

Or maybe he hadn't witnessed them first hand, but was aware that some apprentices didn't come back...?  Aw, naw, that really doesn't make sense does it?? 

Poor Cullen, forever oblivious and contradictory! 

I would imagine he's been present at a few harrowings, none of which had gone wrong, since he had never seen a possession before, but maybe those ones were close calls or extra long or something. The harrowing is supposed to be quite trying on a Mage and our Warden just sort of breezes right through it.

But he also said it was the cleanest, indicating that he's been present when a harrowing has gone wrong, even though in the male version he says he's never seen anything of the sort.

[Twice a Lady]

Can a Harrowing go wrong without a possession? Like maybe the mage died in Fade, or their spirit was trapped like Niall's was? That could make for a messy Harrowing.

[rapscallioness]

Twice a Lady wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Every Warden is a special snowflake.

I bet a non-mage Warden could pass the Harrowing as well. 

LOL well, they seem to navigate the Fade quite well, so the Harrowing should be a walk in the park to any class of Warden...plus they also killed a Broodmother, rid a tower of abominations, killed an Archdemon...in fact, the Warden probably keeps a summer house in the Fade just b/c they can!
...hey maybe that's why no one can find the Warden at the end of DA2!

Yup. With their phones turned off, trying to get sum peace and quiet. Then we show up. And Warden is just like, "Wtf do you want!?!"

[Chanda]

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

That also means that he's sat in for other harrowing. And if it was the cleanest then surely he'd seen one go wrong... in which case, why does he say that he's never seen a demon possession before?

Or maybe he hadn't witnessed them first hand, but was aware that some apprentices didn't come back...?  Aw, naw, that really doesn't make sense does it?? 

Poor Cullen, forever oblivious and contradictory! 

I would imagine he's been present at a few harrowings, none of which had gone wrong, since he had never seen a possession before, but maybe those ones were close calls or extra long or something. The harrowing is supposed to be quite trying on a Mage and our Warden just sort of breezes right through it.

But he also said it was the cleanest, indicating that he's been present when a harrowing has gone wrong, even though in the male version he says he's never seen anything of the sort.

To play devil's advocate, if Cullen doesn't trust mages even after passing the harrowing, I can't really blame him too much. Look at what First Enchanter Orsino turned into... And that's a mage who's passed his harrowing and rose through the circle ranks to become First Enchanter. But then it seemed like more than half the mages in Kirkwall were turning to blood magic and demon possession. It made it really hard on my pro-mage Hawke. I remember playing it all the way through:

Hawke: "Look, not all mages are bad!"

First Enchanter Orsino: "They want blood magic?! I'll show them blood magic! -- RAWRR!!"

Hawke: "...Goddammit..."