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[LolaLei]

Maybe he was part of the Inquisition... But then Tervinyer wouldn't have welcomed him with open arms.

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

If Andraste was a mage, I wonder what Cullen would say/do?

I don't know, but there is this:


http://t2.gstatic.co...dIDKypoC-BpeoUf


Again, could have been a mistake. The artists probably didn't understand the world as well then and maybe just invented something that made her look mystical and powerful. But there's definitely fire in her hands. And her tomb was awfully magical too.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 22 mai 2013 - 07:41 .

[LolaLei]

Yeah, then they changed it to a sword in DA2 didn't they?

[Jean]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I'm sure everything that might sound bad or iffy was probably covered and buried waaaay back when the chantry was first formed. Maybe if we find information such as this out, we can choose whether or not to reveal it and thus, boom goes any reign the chantry had left?

Can't have anything to cause major doubt now, can we?

Heck, could be as simple as "lol Andraste was a mage."

that's assuming that the Chantry even knows that Stonehammer ever wore the symbol. All the records of him would be kept by the Shaperate rather than humans, and even the Shaperate would likely either ignore the symbol or comment on how strange it was that it was non-traditional. They may have not even known it was the sun.

But the point is that it meant something to somebody way before Andraste was even born. And if Stonehammer war it, he probably wasn't the only one it meant something to. So what on earth could that mean?

Maybe the Imperial Chantry knows of him, even after all these years? He did have close ties to Tevinter.
We don't really know anything about the Imperial Chantry or the Black Divine, do we? 

Modifié par Batteries, 22 mai 2013 - 07:44 .

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

Maybe he was part of the Inquisition... But then Tervinyer wouldn't have welcomed him with open arms.

According to the World of Thedas timeline, the Inquisition is founded 70 years after Andraste's death. So about 1,000 years after Stonehammer's time.

[Scroll]

Batteries wrote...

I hope this "singing" thing is explained too

Sing the Chant of Light at all corner of the world

Lyrium sings

Archdemons sing

"Why dance? Why not sing!" Flemeth comment

This is great! Very interesting. A connection between everything. I wonder what is forgotten. Not only the old goods but how everything worked, why the Elfs lost their magic when the humans appeared, why dwarfs are resistant to magic etc. I think there is a red thread somewhere, an answer to the rules of nature in Thedas. Something is clearly broken and important knowledge is lost. 

[brushyourteeth]

Scr0ll wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I hope this "singing" thing is explained too

Sing the Chant of Light at all corner of the world

Lyrium sings

Archdemons sing

"Why dance? Why not sing!" Flemeth comment

This is great! Very interesting. A connection between everything. I wonder what is forgotten. Not only the old goods but how everything worked, why the Elfs lost their magic when the humans appeared, why dwarfs are resistant to magic etc. I think there is a red thread somewhere, an answer to the rules of nature in Thedas. Something is clearly broken and important knowledge is lost. 

According to the WoT1, the elves began their quickening at the same time that their gods disappeared. So it may or may not have been the humans' fault. Or the gods may have been the only thing keeping humans out of Thedas- who knows?

[Jean]

karaoke dragon age revolution. heard it here first!

I wouldn't be surprised if everything is connected to each other in one way or another.
Heck, maybe the chantry already knows everything. They got the magisters invading the Golden City and coming back monsters part right, at least. Just not the "oh and it was already black" part.
Unless they wanted it to make Tevinter/mages sound bad on pupose? 

[brushyourteeth]

Batteries wrote...

karaoke dragon age revolution. heard it here first!

I wouldn't be surprised if everything is connected to each other in one way or another.
Heck, maybe the chantry already knows everything. They got the magisters invading the Golden City and coming back monsters part right, at least. Just not the "oh and it was already black" part.
Unless they wanted it to make Tevinter/mages sound bad on pupose? 

I'm personally in the "it was still golden" camp. Simply because it's visible from the Fade, and even Corypheus expected goldenyness. Unless of course the Maker is definitely real and he was all "Ha! Pulled a fast one on you, suckers!!!"

But I realize that people can get pretty touchy about the golden/not golden theory, so let me say that that's only my opinion and definitely not certifiable fact or anything I'm trying to ship on anyone. Just my take.

**edit to say: I'm positive that they wanted to make Tevinter sound bad. Whether they were justified in doing so or not... weeeeelllllll, I guess we'll find out eventually. Hopefully.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 22 mai 2013 - 07:56 .

[Scroll]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Scr0ll wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I hope this "singing" thing is explained too

Sing the Chant of Light at all corner of the world

Lyrium sings

Archdemons sing

"Why dance? Why not sing!" Flemeth comment

This is great! Very interesting. A connection between everything. I wonder what is forgotten. Not only the old goods but how everything worked, why the Elfs lost their magic when the humans appeared[/u], why dwarfs are resistant to magic etc. I think there is a red thread somewhere, an answer to the rules of nature in Thedas. Something is clearly broken and important knowledge is lost. 

According to the WoT1, the elves began their quickening at the same time that their gods disappeared. So it may or may not have been the humans' fault. Or the gods may have been the only thing keeping humans out of Thedas- who knows?

Yes, sorry, I meant why the Elfs lost their immortality.  
So we come back to all the gods all the time. What has been going on? The balance does somehow seem to be broken. Lost elven gods, old gods trapped under ground and corrupt.

[Jean]

People get touchy over that? o_O
Weird BSN

I'm pretty open minded. It still could of been Golden, definitely. We have no way of knowing.
Maybe its Golden/Un-Goldeness depends on who is there and why? I doubt the magisters had happy benevolent thoughts or pure intentions. The Fade is a very... Circumstantial place.

And from I have read, that was the first and last time entering the Golden City was ever attempted. Trying again couldn't make anything any worse, could it? 



I'm going to LOL so hard if it turns out everybody has been worshipping the same god/s this whole time. 

Modifié par Batteries, 22 mai 2013 - 08:07 .

[brushyourteeth]

Well, I was definitely thinking that the Old Gods and the elven gods were the same thing there for awhile (the elven gods mysteriously disappear? Hmm. Though not sure about the timeline meshing with the Old Gods. Must do more research) but there's one more Elven god than there are Old Gods, and that's after you've already subtracted the Trickster (and I thought Flemeth would have made an excellent Trickster).

I'm really curious about the old elven religion. It's the only one so far that we haven't seen much reason to have some kind of belief in. We've seen Andraste's ashes work miracles, met a magister, defeated an Archdemon, gone into the Fade and met spirits who believed in the Maker and seen the Black City ourselves. And because of all the lyrium craziness in the Deep Roads I can understand that being the most supernatural thing the dwarves have ever experienced. But nothing so far about the elves.

BTW in the list of elvish words we know so far in tWoT1 "bellanaris" (as in Asha'bellanar) means eternity.

[Scroll]

The gods might not be the same. Their nature godly. The singing might be a force, energy or something like that.

[brushyourteeth]

Batteries wrote...

People get touchy over that? o_O
Weird BSN

I'm pretty open minded. It still could of been Golden, definitely. We have no way of knowing.
Maybe its Golden/Un-Goldeness depends on who is there and why? I doubt the magisters had happy benevolent thoughts or pure intentions. The Fade is a very... Circumstantial place.

OMG, I'd never thought of that. You're kind of a genius, Batteries. And of course anyone who's looking for the Golden City probably isn't honorable. Kind of like the Grail in Indiana Jones or the Sorcerer's/Philospher's Stone in Harry Potter: you have to not want to possess it in order to find it. Brilliant!

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 22 mai 2013 - 08:12 .

[brushyourteeth]

Scr0ll wrote...

The gods might not be the same. Their nature godly. The singing might be a force, energy or something like that.

It's true. And the Maker was enthralled by Andraste's song. I have no freaking idea what any of the singing is about.

Music: the true evil in Thedas. Leave the mages alone!

*edit: I'm going to bed. 'Night Cullen-lovers!

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 22 mai 2013 - 08:14 .

[Jean]

 Nighty night. 


Another thought I did have was...

Maybe before the magisters stepped into the Golden City, it was Golden, but turned Black as soon as they arrived and has been ever since. Nobody else has attempted to step back into the City since because bad things.

It could be possible it's like a switch.
The magisters stepped in with bad intentions, to usurp a God - city turns black and curses them.
If another person with a good heart and pure intentions steps back into the same city, it may turn golden again?

All this comes from knowing that the fade can take shape around a person and project what they want. The city is in the Fade, so maybe it work all the same.

The Maker needs better security if any ol' powerful baddie can enter and doom the world. 

Modifié par Batteries, 22 mai 2013 - 08:27 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

It's half the sun symbol. Perhaps that was the Seekers/Inquisition's insignia first? (Since they are rumoured to have once been one and the same), then the Chantry adapted it and added it to there's.

Well, I'm coming in way late, but as I've told brush before (but she must not have believed me since it wasn't in her list... ), the sun is the chantry symbol  because it's the Maker's symbol. And, the Maker was around way before Andraste.

If he was building an alliance with Tevinter, maybe it's just something they gave him. Or he has a belt commemorating his alliance with them. 

... But I'd really put my money on an early artist mistake...

Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 mai 2013 - 10:55 .

[Newschmoo]

Batteries wrote...

 Nighty night. 


Another thought I did have was...

Maybe before the magisters stepped into the Golden City, it was Golden, but turned Black as soon as they arrived and has been ever since. Nobody else has attempted to step back into the City since because bad things.

It could be possible it's like a switch.
The magisters stepped in with bad intentions, to usurp a God - city turns black and curses them.
If another person with a good heart and pure intentions steps back into the same city, it may turn golden again?

All this comes from knowing that the fade can take shape around a person and project what they want. The city is in the Fade, so maybe it work all the same.

The Maker needs better security if any ol' powerful baddie can enter and doom the worworld

I like your thinking. There is so much about DA lore that raises more questions than answers them. I think I need to study WoT more. So much more to learn!

[LolaLei]

What if the City was never golden and always black 'n' Maker was just some douche bag old god/demon that was just like NOPE! Perhaps there's a reason why the Fade stood between it, to stop all the monsters getting through to the real world.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

What if the City was never golden and always black 'n' Maker was just some douche bag old god/demon that was just like NOPE! Perhaps there's a reason why the Fade stood between it, to stop all the monsters getting through to the real world.

This has always  been my thought, that maybe the city was  never Golden. I'm convinced the Chantry is using the darkspawn/magister story as propaganda, even if there's a kernel of truth in it. If the folks making up the story saw the city was black... why not blame that on the second sin of the magisters trying to enter heaven?

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

What if the City was never golden and always black 'n' Maker was just some douche bag old god/demon that was just like NOPE! Perhaps there's a reason why the Fade stood between it, to stop all the monsters getting through to the real world.

This has always  been my thought, that maybe the city was  never Golden. I'm convinced the Chantry is using the darkspawn/magister story as propaganda, even if there's a kernel of truth in it. If the folks making up the story saw the city was black... why not blame that on the second sin of the magisters trying to enter heaven?

Corypheus said himself that it was already black, he'd have no reason to lie about it... unless the minute they cracked through it turned?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

What if the City was never golden and always black 'n' Maker was just some douche bag old god/demon that was just like NOPE! Perhaps there's a reason why the Fade stood between it, to stop all the monsters getting through to the real world.

This has always  been my thought, that maybe the city was  never Golden. I'm convinced the Chantry is using the darkspawn/magister story as propaganda, even if there's a kernel of truth in it. If the folks making up the story saw the city was black... why not blame that on the second sin of the magisters trying to enter heaven?

Corypheus said himself that it was already black, he'd have no reason to lie about it... unless the minute they cracked through it turned?

exactly

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

What if the City was never golden and always black 'n' Maker was just some douche bag old god/demon that was just like NOPE! Perhaps there's a reason why the Fade stood between it, to stop all the monsters getting through to the real world.

This has always  been my thought, that maybe the city was  never Golden. I'm convinced the Chantry is using the darkspawn/magister story as propaganda, even if there's a kernel of truth in it. If the folks making up the story saw the city was black... why not blame that on the second sin of the magisters trying to enter heaven?

Corypheus said himself that it was already black, he'd have no reason to lie about it... unless the minute they cracked through it turned?

exactly

Perhaps when the "Maker" felt the breach he was like: "Quick, everyone! Hide the good china!" 

Modifié par LolaLei, 22 mai 2013 - 02:49 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

What if the City was never golden and always black 'n' Maker was just some douche bag old god/demon that was just like NOPE! Perhaps there's a reason why the Fade stood between it, to stop all the monsters getting through to the real world.

This has always  been my thought, that maybe the city was  never Golden. I'm convinced the Chantry is using the darkspawn/magister story as propaganda, even if there's a kernel of truth in it. If the folks making up the story saw the city was black... why not blame that on the second sin of the magisters trying to enter heaven?

Corypheus said himself that it was already black, he'd have no reason to lie about it... unless the minute they cracked through it turned?

exactly

Perhaps when the "Maker" felt the breach he was like: "Quick, everyone! Hide the good china!" 

LOL That would be a funny fan art.

Yeah, I dunno. Seems hand wavey to say it was black as soon as they looked at it.  But who know... maybe they influence the experiment by the very act of observing it, so with sin in their hears, they approach the city and it only looks black even before they step foot inside.

I still vote for black already, tho. It's simpler.

[meanieweenie]

All I can picture right now is that moving fortress in that awful 80's movie 'Krull'. ^^^

Anyway, are you saying that the city is only gold for those pure of heart or intention and black for the ne'er do wells? Or that it's just everyone, the very nature of mankind that makes it black? Forgive me if I'm slow on the pickup here.