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[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

So my husband was asking me the other day what I thought some reasons for Cullen to travel with us in DA:I would be, and with so little information I couldn't really give him a great answer. But it did get me thinking about this: if the magister companion from the leaked survey turns out to be in the game, Cullen would definitely be interested in keeping an eye on him, maybe even if he disapproved enough of the protagonist's actions that he'd normally leave.

I'm personally hoping for some Templar/magister catfighting, especially if the magister is a flirtatious sort.

Oh, I could totally see it being like Alistair and Zevran were at the beginning where Alistair clearly didn't trust him and Zev was just his charming self in retaliation LOL! I think I'd prefer them to have a similar sort of relationship that Aveline and Isabela had in that they'd end up quite liking each other, rather than a replay of Anders and Fenris digging at each other every 5 seconds.

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

So my husband was asking me the other day what I thought some reasons for Cullen to travel with us in DA:I would be, and with so little information I couldn't really give him a great answer. But it did get me thinking about this: if the magister companion from the leaked survey turns out to be in the game, Cullen would definitely be interested in keeping an eye on him, maybe even if he disapproved enough of the protagonist's actions that he'd normally leave.

I'm personally hoping for some Templar/magister catfighting, especially if the magister is a flirtatious sort.

Oh, I could totally see it being like Alistair and Zevran were at the beginning where Alistair clearly didn't trust him and Zev was just his charming self in retaliation LOL! I think I'd prefer them to have a similar sort of relationship that Aveline and Isabela had in that they'd end up quite liking each other, rather than a replay of Anders and Fenris digging at each other every 5 seconds.

That was suuuuper irritating. It's one of the reasons I grew to actually prefer Seb, weird romance and all. For all his preachiness he was at least kind to everyone in the party.

[rapscallioness]

Actually, I quite like the idea of busting Cullen outta sum creepy dungeon. They forgot abt him and all. Oooo, but w/out his lyrium..sheesh. He'd be a bit crazy.

Maybe that could be a follow up quest for recruiting Cullen. Find sum lyrium! Quick! Or maybe Sandal could enchant sum of his armor so he'd have a constant lyrium drip in his system. lol!

Ah, but who knows? All that might be too much.

[rapscallioness]

I liked the way Isabela and Aveline grew to be friends. Nice stuff there.

Fenris and Anders....sigh. I rarely put them in the same party together cuz I just didn't want to hear it.

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

Actually, I quite like the idea of busting Cullen outta sum creepy dungeon. They forgot abt him and all. Oooo, but w/out his lyrium..sheesh. He'd be a bit crazy.

Maybe that could be a follow up quest for recruiting Cullen. Find sum lyrium! Quick! Or maybe Sandal could enchant sum of his armor so he'd have a constant lyrium drip in his system. lol!

Ah, but who knows? All that might be too much.

Yeah, I've always said I'd like to find him suffering lyrium withdrawal just boarding on the edge of madness, which is where we'd help him.

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Actually, I quite like the idea of busting Cullen outta sum creepy dungeon. They forgot abt him and all. Oooo, but w/out his lyrium..sheesh. He'd be a bit crazy.

Maybe that could be a follow up quest for recruiting Cullen. Find sum lyrium! Quick! Or maybe Sandal could enchant sum of his armor so he'd have a constant lyrium drip in his system. lol!

Ah, but who knows? All that might be too much.

Yeah, I've always said I'd like to find him suffering lyrium withdrawal just boarding on the edge of madness, which is where we'd help him.

But I do NOT want to see him lose his mind at the end of our romance arc. DO NOT WANT, BIOWARE.

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Actually, I quite like the idea of busting Cullen outta sum creepy dungeon. They forgot abt him and all. Oooo, but w/out his lyrium..sheesh. He'd be a bit crazy.

Maybe that could be a follow up quest for recruiting Cullen. Find sum lyrium! Quick! Or maybe Sandal could enchant sum of his armor so he'd have a constant lyrium drip in his system. lol!

Ah, but who knows? All that might be too much.

Yeah, I've always said I'd like to find him suffering lyrium withdrawal just boarding on the edge of madness, which is where we'd help him.

But I do NOT want to see him lose his mind at the end of our romance arc. DO NOT WANT, BIOWARE.

Yeah, that would suck. Wouldn't surprise me though! 

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Actually, I quite like the idea of busting Cullen outta sum creepy dungeon. They forgot abt him and all. Oooo, but w/out his lyrium..sheesh. He'd be a bit crazy.

Maybe that could be a follow up quest for recruiting Cullen. Find sum lyrium! Quick! Or maybe Sandal could enchant sum of his armor so he'd have a constant lyrium drip in his system. lol!

Ah, but who knows? All that might be too much.

Yeah, I've always said I'd like to find him suffering lyrium withdrawal just boarding on the edge of madness, which is where we'd help him.

But I do NOT want to see him lose his mind at the end of our romance arc. DO NOT WANT, BIOWARE.

Yeah, that would suck. Wouldn't surprise me though! 

I guess Greg Ellis would get the chance to really show off those acting skills.

[R2s Muse]

rapscallioness wrote...

Actually, I quite like the idea of busting Cullen outta sum creepy dungeon. They forgot abt him and all. Oooo, but w/out his lyrium..sheesh. He'd be a bit crazy.
 

We've talked about this dungeon idea so many times... but I like this twist!  Heh, the Grand Cathedral blows up during peace talks. The explosion blows a hole in the dungeons... and as the  Inquisitor searches the rubble... who do you run across?  Former templar Cullen rotting in a  hole, forgotten. You bust him out. he got nothin' better to do. Follows  you henceforth.

[Jean]

I always thought he may of been having slight withdrawals when we find him in his pink cage?...

Do we even know how often a templar needs to ingest lyrium? A cup of lyrium tea before bed or chugging a gallon a day?

[LolaLei]

Batteries wrote...

I always thought he may of been having slight withdrawals when we find him in his pink cage?...

Do we even know how often a templar needs to ingest lyrium? A cup of lyrium tea before bed or chugging a gallon a day?

Evangeline mentioned how long, but I've forgotten. He said he'd been in there between weeks and months, so maybe at that point he wasn't addicted. He did seem a bit mental in his cage though.

[neonmoth]

Even though I want his lyrium addiction addressed, I'm not sure if I would want him to suffer withdrawal straight from the beginning... for some reason I like the idea of him going to orlais due to events in Kirkwall, being house bound/arrested, with his path somehow crossing with our pc. Maybe he escapes, our is transported somewhere or is (dis-)honorably discharged or something like that. He hates lack of action and tries to figure out some way to get involved and voila, he just became a follower... ;-)

[LolaLei]

So long as he's been suffering up until the point of meeting the protagonist 'n' co, then I'm good. That sounds harsh, but it would just be fitting that since he helped kill Meredith things have gradually got worse and worse.

[neonmoth]

though the idea of finding him slightly loco after big splosion has a great appeal...

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...

So long as he's been suffering up until the point of meeting the protagonist 'n' co, then I'm good. That sounds harsh, but it would just be fitting that since he helped kill Meredith things have gradually got worse and worse.

this sounds good as well :)I just don't want to spend whole game helping him go through rehab 

[Chanda]

Maybe that will be one of the choices we have to make for Cullen. To either help him get over his lyrium addiction so he can be a normal human being again, but not a templar anymore (just a warrior), or decide to keep finding lyrium and feeding it to him so he can keep his templar abilities. That would be a big choice for someone who was the knight-commander in Kirkwall.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I always thought he may of been having slight withdrawals when we find him in his pink cage?...

Do we even know how often a templar needs to ingest lyrium? A cup of lyrium tea before bed or chugging a gallon a day?

Evangeline mentioned how long, but I've forgotten. He said he'd been in there between weeks and months, so maybe at that point he wasn't addicted. He did seem a bit mental in his cage though.

she said she'd start to lose it after a week of no lyrium. Then she would havea bit longer before the crazy/death.. was it a month? I don't know how long they were gone on their trip, but Lambert only gave her a few small vials for the trip. So sounds like they don't need that much... But they need it.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I always thought he may of been having slight withdrawals when we find him in his pink cage?...

Do we even know how often a templar needs to ingest lyrium? A cup of lyrium tea before bed or chugging a gallon a day?

Evangeline mentioned how long, but I've forgotten. He said he'd been in there between weeks and months, so maybe at that point he wasn't addicted. He did seem a bit mental in his cage though.

I dunno. I can't help but think they were feeding it to him if it were more than a week. He was new, but I've heard compelling arguments for recruits having started taking at least some (the whole Alistair argument).

[Ilidan_DA]

Ann Lemay ‏@annlemay

I'm reading something and you're noooot! #da3 #romance

[Twice a Lady]

Hmmmm, I'm good either way with the lyrium thing. I don't feel like it's an issue that needs to be addressed in the game (all templars take lyrium, all go a bit addled with extensive use of it). Whether he's going through withdrawl for whatever reasons, or if he's still in his templar prime when we meet him next I don't really care, both angles have interesting paths to follow and I don't prefer one over the other.

I'm not sure whether I buy this imprisonment thing, but then I know very little about chain of command and court marshals and what not, so bear with me. I only know a little thanks to that in Star Trek: TNG. It was the first officer's job to question the ship captain's motives and frame of mind and whether or not the captain's actions were in the overall best interests of the ship. If the first officer deemed that the captain was unfit for duty, the first could relieve the captain of duty without reprecussions. Now whether or not this applies to the Templar order, I don't know. But from what I understand of the chain of command, the first (or in templar cases the Knight-Captain) is responsible for keeping the captain (or Knight-Commander) in check. I have a hard time believing that since the rest of the Kirkwal templars backed up Cullen's decision that he could be found guilty of insubordination. Unless he is imprisoned for allowing Anders and or Hawke to leave Kirkwall that is the only way I'd buy his imprisonment.

[neonmoth]

oo, what you're reading then? #no twitter account :/

[Chanda]

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Ann Lemay ‏@annlemay

I'm reading something and you're noooot! #da3 #romance

Romantic stuff, eh?

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I always thought he may of been having slight withdrawals when we find him in his pink cage?...

Do we even know how often a templar needs to ingest lyrium? A cup of lyrium tea before bed or chugging a gallon a day?

Evangeline mentioned how long, but I've forgotten. He said he'd been in there between weeks and months, so maybe at that point he wasn't addicted. He did seem a bit mental in his cage though.

I dunno. I can't help but think they were feeding it to him if it were more than a week. He was new, but I've heard compelling arguments for recruits having started taking at least some (the whole Alistair argument).

Evangeline said that withdrawal would start affecting her after about a week, and predicted that she would be able to function for about a month.

We don't know anything about Templar indoctrination, though. Do they feed it to the recruits in heavy doses in order to build up tolerance/addiction quickly or do they give them tiny, widely spaced doses because that's all they need? Maybe we'll find out...

[Chanda]

I hope we will find out more about how it works. Cullen should know, considering how closely he was working with the recruits in Kirkwall. Maybe if we get close enough to him, he'll explain it to us.

[R2s Muse]

Twice a Lady wrote...

I'm not sure whether I buy this imprisonment thing, <snip b/c of non scrolling iPad> I have a hard time believing that since the rest of the Kirkwal templars backed up Cullen's decision that he could be found guilty of insubordination. Unless he is imprisoned for allowing Anders and or Hawke to leave Kirkwall that is the only way I'd buy his imprisonment.

agree, there are compelling, legal reasons for what Cullen did with Meredith. But, it's hard to say anyone knows what actually happened in Kirkwall that day. Imprisonment is short hand for possibilities we've discussed ad nauseum... So bear with us! LOL  In short, there's got to be a reason, to my mind, that Cassandra and therefore the Chantry, have no freakin' clue what really happened that day. If it wasn't known that Meredith was in the wrong... Then who knows what they would believe about Cullen's motivations. 

He could have been fine, and been promoted, for example, but then that means he agreed to break the Nevarran Accord with the other 14 Knight Commanders. Also troubling...

so lots of possibilities.