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[LolaLei]

It's slow this evening.

[SamaraDraven]

Chanda wrote...

Testing the new signature... And that picture is beautiful! Who is the girl? Amell?

It looks pretty good Chanda!  I'm thinking I should make it longer so the words are less scrunched though. How do you like it?

[SamaraDraven]

Derp! For the double post, have a bewildered Cullen! He just can't understand why we think he's so hot!




Disclaimer: Pic is not mine. I think I nabbed it from R2 and her Fenris swap.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 24 mai 2013 - 12:54 .

[R2s Muse]

So here's something I'm wondering. How quickly do you think Cullen was promoted to captain after arriving in Kirkwall? Do you think Meredith recruited him right into the position, or did he work his way up the ranks? It can't have taken that long since we meet him in 9:31, ostensibly months after the fall of Kinloch Hold. What are plausible scenarios for that?

Modifié par R2s Muse, 24 mai 2013 - 12:52 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

So here's something I'm wondering. How quickly do you think Cullen was promoted to captain after arriving in Kirkwall? Do you think Meredith recruited him right into the position, or did he work his way up the ranks? It can't have taken that long since we meet him in 9:31, ostensibly months after the fall of Kinloch Hold. What are plausible scenarios for that?

We met him just over mid-way through Act 1, prior to that Hawke had already been there a year. Soooo I guess it depends when he arrived in Kirkwall.

[SamaraDraven]

R2s Muse wrote...

So here's something I'm wondering. How quickly do you think Cullen was promoted to captain after arriving in Kirkwall? Do you think Meredith recruited him right into the position, or did he work his way up the ranks? It can't have taken that long since we meet him in 9:31, ostensibly months after the fall of Kinloch Hold. What are plausible scenarios for that?

Since Cullen isn't even in Kirkwall when Hawke first arrives but when we DO see him, he's the Knight Captain? I'd be inclined to think he was put into that spot directly. If my memory serves me... there was some controversy surrounding Meredith's rise to KCom so I'm guessing she thought one of her own cronies would be too much of a threat to her. Cullen had to have been promoted from the start, or made KCap within like.... 3 months or something of being in Kirkwall. Her peers just had to accept this because they couldn't argue with practical experience regarding demons and abominations and they knew Meredith wouldn't see their zealotry as a better asset above Cullen's trials. Just no contest there.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

So here's something I'm wondering. How quickly do you think Cullen was promoted to captain after arriving in Kirkwall? Do you think Meredith recruited him right into the position, or did he work his way up the ranks? It can't have taken that long since we meet him in 9:31, ostensibly months after the fall of Kinloch Hold. What are plausible scenarios for that?

We met him just over mid-way through Act 1, prior to that Hawke had already been there a year. Soooo I guess it depends when he arrived in Kirkwall.

nevertheless, the window is relatively small. Less than a year, since he left Ferelden after Hawke, I.e. after the start of the Blight in 9:30.  Plus, there's likely Greenfell recovery time.

[R2s Muse]

Samara, that's something I was considering... But that's quite the promotion from recruit. There are a number of ranks below that... But you make an interesting point about Meredith's lack of trust of her own people. I don't recall there being controversy around her appointment, just that she was appointed commander after she ousted the tyrant viscount Perrin Threnhold in 9:21. But there could be reasons she wouldn't want to promote from her own.

[Jean]

Which is weird too since I thought in DAO Cullen had said (to a male mage PC) that he was still "new at this"
Unless he was talking about still being new at watching the mages in the tower, I got the impression he had recently taken his templar vows.

How long after DAO does Witch Hunt take place? A couple years? I guess Cullen can be in two places at once? 

Modifié par Batteries, 24 mai 2013 - 01:22 .

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

So here's something I'm wondering. How quickly do you think Cullen was promoted to captain after arriving in Kirkwall? Do you think Meredith recruited him right into the position, or did he work his way up the ranks? It can't have taken that long since we meet him in 9:31, ostensibly months after the fall of Kinloch Hold. What are plausible scenarios for that?

My inner monologue says he was recruited directly into the Knight Captain position. He'd just been through hell so Meredith would have seen him as someone who would very easily follow orders AND  despise mages. Plus he'd be grateful for the chance to redeem himself. Perfect storm.

[R2s Muse]

According to WoT, witch hunt takes place in 9:32. But Cullen doesn't feature... The mages just gossip that he left and went to Greenfell to levèl out, not necessarily present tense. Still plausible with him leaving in 9:31. But, yeah, the timing's tight. Particularly for a promotion.

[R2s Muse]

Seems precipitous to recruit him, sight unseen, as your Number One. But then, I suppose he might have gotten a good recommendation from Greagoir.

[meanieweenie]

A recommendation would not have really been necessary if Meredith saw Cullen as someone easily malleable.

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

A recommendation would not have really been necessary if Meredith saw Cullen as someone easily malleable.

ah, I see your point. She's not necessarily looking for the best man for the job...

Hmmm.... Interesting.

[LolaLei]

Unless they double retconned him and he just went straight to Kirkwall instead?

[meanieweenie]

Double retconned! Now they're just getting feisty over there. lmao! I wouldn't be shocked to see that though... without further explanation. You know me... always looking for the sinister motive.

[R2s Muse]

Bwahahaha! Well, double retcon on you!

More seriously, it's possible. The timing with WH is problematic at best, but then, I always got the feeling it was developed at the same time as some of DA2 since they mention Kirkwall in it.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 24 mai 2013 - 01:48 .

[LolaLei]

Seemed silly and pointless if they have double retconned him, unless they really do have big companion plans for him?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Seemed silly and pointless if they have double retconned him, unless they really do have big companion plans for him?

or... More evidence that they didn't really decide to include him in DA2 until late...? Hence grey baldy Knight-Captain?

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Seemed silly and pointless if they have double retconned him, unless they really do have big companion plans for him?

or... More evidence that they didn't really decide to include him in DA2 until late...? Hence grey baldy Knight-Captain?

Grey baldy knight- Captain was never real and they always intended Cullen to be the man.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Seemed silly and pointless if they have double retconned him, unless they really do have big companion plans for him?

or... More evidence that they didn't really decide to include him in DA2 until late...? Hence grey baldy Knight-Captain?

I wish they'd answer our questions. I doubt some of this stuff will even get mention in DA3 anyway.

Modifié par LolaLei, 24 mai 2013 - 02:13 .

[LolaLei]

... I dunno if it's luck or fate that keeps throwing Cullen into the games at the last minute, lol. I like to think that he's a character that demands attention without really intending to or trying.

It'll definitely be a waste if he isn't a companion/LI, I'd feel like his potential was never fully explored.

[thats1evildude]

I try to pay as little attention to the timeline as possible, else my eyes go all cross-eyed.

The Codex does mention Meredith thought Cullen's similar views and firsthand experience of the horrors of magic resulted in his quick promotion. Most likely, she saw a bit of herself in Cullen.

[VampOrchid]

So I'm still really sick...I've had to cancel my scrapbook class for this weekend...I'm on meds and to boot...I'm contagious...so I might be on and off here for a bit. Any new news?

[VampOrchid]

LolaLei wrote...

I thought I'd repost something Dave of Canada said in that other Cullen thread. I don't think I could have put it any better if I tried:

Cullen is introduced in Dragon Age: Origins as some shiny-eyed recruit, he doesn't see the danger which mages pose and doesn't know what he's looking for in case of bad mages. Although he has a crush on the female mage character, it's relevant to his characterization because he's someone who doesn't see mages as seperate from mundanes.

By the time you've finally reached the Circle of Magi, everyone is dead ]except[/color] for Cullen. Not only had he survived rigorous torture, he out-lasted his peers when confronted and controlled by blood mages. Although he's hysterical afterwards, it shows that--despite being a recruit--he's devoted and strong, anyone else would've fallen. No longer the shiny-eyed recruit, Cullen understands the danger which mages pose better than anyone.

Come Dragon Age 2, Cullen is re-introduced as having been sent away from the Ferelden Circle to calm him, he's possibly still healing from the events of Dragon Age: Origins and now has a firm understanding that mages are far more dangerous than they appear, something which he shares with Meredith.

Despite this, Cullen shows sympathy and duty to the Circle of Magi and the Templar Order. 

He hunts down the missing Templar recruits personally, he ponders the role of the Templar Order in the changing world and come the third act, he'll bring blood mages back to the Circle (despite the zero-tolerance policy), inform Hawke of where the complaints against Aveline originate, question Meredith during Anullement, sides with Hawke when Meredith's lyrium-induced insanity acts up and allows Hawke to leave (if pro-mage).

The hatred of Cullen seems to stem from the fact that most players are blindly pro-mage, loathing the fact that Cullen represents someone who opposes them. Least, that's the impression I get when I often see the "mages aren't like you or me" conversation brought up with improper context.

Fact is:

• Cullen probably wouldn't be introduced as someone who's rabidly anti-mage, he'd probably be sitting in a cross-roads after the events of Dragon Age 2.

• Even if Cullen was rabidly anti-mage, pro-Templar players had to stomache Anders and Merrill. Pro-Mage players didn't have to recruit Fenris.

Well I just love <3 the crap out of this statement!