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meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

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I do worry a bit about the fear of fan backlash as well. Of course, the writers have said that they make their choices based on story, but given the incredible amount of interchange between creators and players, the players inevitably influence them, for better or worse.

FWIW, DG has proactively addressed the Anders issue. Apparently, for DA2 at least, dead is dead. LOL Of course... we'll see!

Ah, but we merely stabbed Anders. I didn't see a body or burial so technically....
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Shush, you, and your suspicious comic book logic! ;)

lmao! Just sayin' - no body, no crime. Anders will be the one to pop out of the Fade and lead the Veil Tear Rebellion ™.Image IPB

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meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I do worry a bit about the fear of fan backlash as well. Of course, the writers have said that they make their choices based on story, but given the incredible amount of interchange between creators and players, the players inevitably influence them, for better or worse.

FWIW, DG has proactively addressed the Anders issue. Apparently, for DA2 at least, dead is dead. LOL Of course... we'll see!

Ah, but we merely stabbed Anders. I didn't see a body or burial so technically....
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Eeek! Now that could be fun! :D Ghost!Anders for LI! eheheheheheheheeeehhh......:devil:

As for the music, I do like the DA scores. Some tracks I love, others are good mood music that I listen to while writing. Do I think they could be better? Definitely! Too many sound similar enough to prove there was insufficient time to develop it more. But I loooove Rogue Heart, Destiny of Love, Fenris' theme, Hawke's Family, Rise of the Qunari and the Tavern theme too much to say I don't like it. I have the whole thing, along with many tracks from DAO, on my iPod which I listen to sometimes while driving. That is, when I'm sick of heavy metal, Celtic Woman and Beethoven. :D Or if I'm just in the mood.

Last thing: I'm about to leave for the road again but as I was taking my last shower here at home, I had the most PEEEERRRFECT idea for my story, Collide!!! It gives the story's Greater Purpose a lot more direction! Before, it was more or less driven by the story between Hawke and Cullen, which it still is but NOOOW I have something that's a greater world relevant focus and I'm sitting her gobsmacked at myself for not thinking of it sooner! I can't wait to show it you all! But alas, I must run now! :unsure:

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SamaraDraven wrote...

Last thing: I'm about to leave for the road again but as I was taking my last shower here at home, I had the most PEEEERRRFECT idea for my story, Collide!!! It gives the story's Greater Purpose a lot more direction! Before, it was more or less driven by the story between Hawke and Cullen, which it still is but NOOOW I have something that's a greater world relevant focus and I'm sitting her gobsmacked at myself for not thinking of it sooner! I can't wait to show it you all! But alas, I must run now! :unsure:

Yay for inspiration!!  Drive safe!

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SamaraDraven wrote...

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Testing the new signature... And that picture is beautiful! Who is the girl? Amell?


It looks pretty good Chanda! :D I'm thinking I should make it longer so the words are less scrunched though. How do you like it?


I think longer would be good, the words are a little scrunchy. :)

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meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I do worry a bit about the fear of fan backlash as well. Of course, the writers have said that they make their choices based on story, but given the incredible amount of interchange between creators and players, the players inevitably influence them, for better or worse.

FWIW, DG has proactively addressed the Anders issue. Apparently, for DA2 at least, dead is dead. LOL Of course... we'll see!

Ah, but we merely stabbed Anders. I didn't see a body or burial so technically....
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Shush, you, and your suspicious comic book logic! ;)

lmao! Just sayin' - no body, no crime. Anders will be the one to pop out of the Fade and lead the Veil Tear Rebellion (tm).Image IPB


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Is it wrong for part of me to like this idea?!  Bring on the Veil Tear Rebellion!  Cullen would be absolutely horrified.

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Newschmoo wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I do worry a bit about the fear of fan backlash as well. Of course, the writers have said that they make their choices based on story, but given the incredible amount of interchange between creators and players, the players inevitably influence them, for better or worse.

FWIW, DG has proactively addressed the Anders issue. Apparently, for DA2 at least, dead is dead. LOL Of course... we'll see!

Ah, but we merely stabbed Anders. I didn't see a body or burial so technically....
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Shush, you, and your suspicious comic book logic! ;)

lmao! Just sayin' - no body, no crime. Anders will be the one to pop out of the Fade and lead the Veil Tear Rebellion (tm).Image IPB


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Is it wrong for part of me to like this idea?!  Bring on the Veil Tear Rebellion!  Cullen would be absolutely horrified.

And he wouldn't be the only one. I can see me dropping to my knees in front of the keyboard screaming "Why won't you diiiiiiieeee!?!?!?". LOL It would be frustratingly awesome and I would love / hate it the whole time.

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The only time I have cried playing a game was at the end of ME3 (actually thinking about it I did have a sniffle about Mordin) but then I had played all 3 games in a row so I did feel like I had been on a journey with Shepard. The music just really got to me. ME has a great score.

I really liked the score for DAO though, particularly when you were at camp. It just had an ambient feel to it that I found soothing.

Do you think that all DA games should have the Warden as the PC? I can see why he/she isn't from a voiced PC point of view. That would have involved a lot of voice acting work. Saying that I am more fond of my Wardens than Hawke. I think that's due to the origins element.


I'm always late to conversations; now that I'm no longer stuck at my desk at work I only manage to visit the site a couple times a day :lol:

I cried the first time I played ME3, and that was without having played ME 1&2. Recently I played the whole trilogy and definitely cried again, but more (when Mordin died, at the end, when EDI's face flashed because I knew she was about to die, and also when Legion died... geez). All three ME games also had my heart racing and had me cheering and callng out loud to the characters. 

Also one of my favorite things to do in ME3 is to stop in front of that guy on the bridge and make him salute me. "That's right, b!tch, salute me," I think. Or say aloud. And also "Hey, sweetie!" every time I Joker says hi to Shepard. B/c I don't know, I feel like a mother to him lol

DA:O had no real emotional impact on me, although the Ostagar sequence, with the monsters.. what are they called again lol darkspawn, with them slowly approaching, and the creepy music, it ALWAYS gives me chills. Branka's lover's chant also always gives me heeby jeebies. But none of the music is memorable, save for that Ostagar scene. I can't remember any of it...

DA2... I can recall the tavern song... and Fenris' song, BECAUSE I'VE PLAYED THE GAME SO DAMN MUCH lol But otherwise, no music stands out. And the game never gave me feels, except maybe the cool ending. I think this is in part because it was underdeveloped but also because the ST is sub-par when compared to ME (obviously just my opinion). Fenris is still my favorite character, and I still love playing an elf more than some generic soldier dude, so that doesn't mean I love ME more.

I think if all the DA games had had the same PC it would have impacted me more deeply, but then again, I never would have gotten to romance Fenris and would have been stuck with Zevran all the way through lol Still, I think I do like my various elf Wardens more than Hawke, just because I think they are cute. But DA2 is still the better experience for me because the mute Warden just rips me out of the game completely. I feel like I'm playing a game, not directing a narrative.

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motomotogirl wrote...

Newschmoo wrote...

The only time I have cried playing a game was at the end of ME3 (actually thinking about it I did have a sniffle about Mordin) but then I had played all 3 games in a row so I did feel like I had been on a journey with Shepard. The music just really got to me. ME has a great score.

I really liked the score for DAO though, particularly when you were at camp. It just had an ambient feel to it that I found soothing.

Do you think that all DA games should have the Warden as the PC? I can see why he/she isn't from a voiced PC point of view. That would have involved a lot of voice acting work. Saying that I am more fond of my Wardens than Hawke. I think that's due to the origins element.


I'm always late to conversations; now that I'm no longer stuck at my desk at work I only manage to visit the site a couple times a day :lol:

I cried the first time I played ME3, and that was without having played ME 1&2. Recently I played the whole trilogy and definitely cried again, but more (when Mordin died, at the end, when EDI's face flashed because I knew she was about to die, and also when Legion died... geez). All three ME games also had my heart racing and had me cheering and callng out loud to the characters. 

Also one of my favorite things to do in ME3 is to stop in front of that guy on the bridge and make him salute me. "That's right, b!tch, salute me," I think. Or say aloud. And also "Hey, sweetie!" every time I Joker says hi to Shepard. B/c I don't know, I feel like a mother to him lol

DA:O had no real emotional impact on me, although the Ostagar sequence, with the monsters.. what are they called again lol darkspawn, with them slowly approaching, and the creepy music, it ALWAYS gives me chills. Branka's lover's chant also always gives me heeby jeebies. But none of the music is memorable, save for that Ostagar scene. I can't remember any of it...

DA2... I can recall the tavern song... and Fenris' song, BECAUSE I'VE PLAYED THE GAME SO DAMN MUCH lol But otherwise, no music stands out. And the game never gave me feels, except maybe the cool ending. I think this is in part because it was underdeveloped but also because the ST is sub-par when compared to ME (obviously just my opinion). Fenris is still my favorite character, and I still love playing an elf more than some generic soldier dude, so that doesn't mean I love ME more.

I think if all the DA games had had the same PC it would have impacted me more deeply, but then again, I never would have gotten to romance Fenris and would have been stuck with Zevran all the way through lol Still, I think I do like my various elf Wardens more than Hawke, just because I think they are cute. But DA2 is still the better experience for me because the mute Warden just rips me out of the game completely. I feel like I'm playing a game, not directing a narrative.


I will say I cried at the end of ME3 because I had no ****ing clue WHAT HAPPENED. :lol: I went back and tried every single ending, and cried even harder because IT WAS SO DISAPPOINTING. But Mordin's death made me cry, as did Thane's, and when I thought Grunt died, omg, that was even worse. But Thane's death takes the cake even though I did not romance him at all. Just that little prayer he had for Shep was enough to make me drop the controller, curl into a ball and cry like a baby.:lol:

The music played a big part in the ME series. "Vigil" is still my all time favorite, next to "I'm Proud of You" and "An End Once and For All", then "The End Run". Music needs to tug something inside you when you are playing a game. Dragon Age didn't do that so much. I love Inon Zur's music, but I never felt anything close to what I felt in ME. I WILL say the music fit with the game, however. "Fenris' Theme" is my favorite - it's so calming, I often listen to it when I am about to go to bed. I hope they do better in that regard with DA3.


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And he wouldn't be the only one. I can see me dropping to my knees in front of the keyboard screaming "Why won't you diiiiiiieeee!?!?!?". LOL It would be frustratingly awesome and I would love / hate it the whole time. 


Oh Maker, I love Anders but if he somehow returns in the PT where I killed him I will not hesitate to murder-knife him again! 

Luckily it has been said that Anders is absolutely dead when you do kill him. It's only Justice - sorry, Vengeance - that I think we should really worry about. If I run into him and he has some cult, I am going to be SO MAD. 

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I just wanted to say that I absolutely love soundtrack for both DAO and DA2 (though I'm more skewing towards DAO for some reason). It seems so fitting. Admittedly, I would like a little bit more experimenting in DAI but to keep it more to ethereal/mystical feel of DAO. Funnily enough I was just thinking about my favourite game soundtracks and can't get Morrowind main theme out of my head. It had this perfect feel to me and I still feel enchanted (and I love this electric guitar cover).

ME3 was a tearjerker for me, I love I'm proud of you the most, probably because I always cry watching this scene, but as a whole I am a ME1 music lover. It is so epic and sci-fi-ish at the same time. I've been listening to it last week ;]

Edit: talkig about electric guitar covers, I'm proud of you

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R2s Muse wrote...
*snip*
Regardless, it is weird for a player to start up a new game... and have to get called 'stranger' again by someone  you just spent a whole game becoming friends with.

I don't mind it though with "minor" characters, since it sacrifices novelty of characters but instead allows to witness character development through several games. I can go with that :]

Edit: I have just read what I've written and I must admit it is not very clear, forgive me please. I agree that there is a risk in knowing the character prior to the pc's story, since it may reveal their agenda in some way and it definitely carries a risk of developed preconceptions on the player's part + mentioned by you certain cognitive dissonace (we know the character but our pc does not). This is why I probably wouldn't want to see a major character (such as a follower) to be re-used in the next part. But I'm easily pleased and will accept anything at the end of the day as long as it is done convincingly.

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neonmoth wrote...

I just wanted to say that I absolutely love soundtrack for both DAO and DA2 (though I'm more skewing towards DAO for some reason). It seems so fitting. Admittedly, I would like a little bit more experimenting in DAI but to keep it more to ethereal/mystical feel of DAO. Funnily enough I was just thinking about my favourite game soundtracks and can't get Morrowind main theme out of my head. It had this perfect feel to me and I still feel enchanted (and I love this electric guitar cover).

ME3 was a tearjerker for me, I love I'm proud of you the most, probably because I always cry watching this scene, but as a whole I am a ME1 music lover. It is so epic and sci-fi-ish at the same time. I've been listening to it last week ;]

Edit: talkig about electric guitar covers, I'm proud of you


1. I agree.

2. *tears of badassness roll down face* :lol:

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*tears of badassness roll down face* :lol:

rotfl, you madame have a gift with expressing yourself :lol:

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neonmoth wrote...

I just wanted to say that I absolutely love soundtrack for both DAO and DA2 (though I'm more skewing towards DAO for some reason). It seems so fitting. Admittedly, I would like a little bit more experimenting in DAI but to keep it more to ethereal/mystical feel of DAO. Funnily enough I was just thinking about my favourite game soundtracks and can't get Morrowind main theme out of my head. It had this perfect feel to me and I still feel enchanted (and I love this electric guitar cover).

ME3 was a tearjerker for me, I love I'm proud of you the most, probably because I always cry watching this scene, but as a whole I am a ME1 music lover. It is so epic and sci-fi-ish at the same time. I've been listening to it last week ;]

Edit: talkig about electric guitar covers, I'm proud of you


Oh wow, thanks for posting that link to 'I'm Proud of You'. That was great.  I'm tearing up!  I feel some downloads coming on!

I kinda think that the soundtrack for DA3 will be epic (more time has been spent on the game, so more time will be spent on the music).  If we are visiting difference parts of Thedas, I hope that the music reflects the different lands we will be visiting. So if we are in Orlais, the soundtrack will have a particular style to it, if we are in Nevarra, then the soundtrack changes again etc.

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Oh wow, thanks for posting that link to 'I'm Proud of You'. That was great.  I'm tearing up!  I feel some downloads coming on!

I kinda think that the soundtrack for DA3 will be epic (more time has been spent on the game, so more time will be spent on the music).  If we are visiting difference parts of Thedas, I hope that the music reflects the different lands we will be visiting. So if we are in Orlais, the soundtrack will have a particular style to it, if we are in Nevarra, then the soundtrack changes again etc.

No probs, I actually found it by "stalking" Sam Hulick the Great (and I just realized that I should probably favour his version of the track, duhh). I love this guy.

I also hope that score for DAI will be epic and varied *fingerscrossed*

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LOL I am so impressed with how musically literate you all seem to be... and realizing with sinking heart that I'm the oddball. I never notice the music at all, except to be annoyed that it's so loud and I can't hear the dialogue. LOL So eventually I turn it down or off... Hmmm, seems I'm missing something.

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^^I am by default using subtitles since English is not my mother tongue and I'm always afraid I miss something important :] It was proven useful many times, since there are plenty of issues with different sound levels or characters cutting mid sentence. Though I admit, it is really distracting to have subs floating around.

I am not such an audiophile as to be able to recognize every single track in games, ME being an exception, but I always appreciate good soundtrack overall :]

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^^I am by default using subtitles since English is not my mother tongue and I'm always afraid I miss something important :] It was proven useful many times, since there are plenty of issues with different sound levels or characters cutting mid sentence. Though I admit, it is really distracting to have subs floating around.

I am not such an audiophile as to be able to recognize every single track in games, ME being an exception, but I always appreciate good soundtrack overall :]

LOL I use the subtitles, too, probably because I'm a visual not audial learner. I feel like I'm missing something if I just listen. But the follower interjections don't show up even with subtitles, like what they say when they die and all that jazz..

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R2s Muse wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

^^I am by default using subtitles since English is not my mother tongue and I'm always afraid I miss something important :] It was proven useful many times, since there are plenty of issues with different sound levels or characters cutting mid sentence. Though I admit, it is really distracting to have subs floating around.

I am not such an audiophile as to be able to recognize every single track in games, ME being an exception, but I always appreciate good soundtrack overall :]

LOL I use the subtitles, too, probably because I'm a visual not audial learner. I feel like I'm missing something if I just listen. But the follower interjections don't show up even with subtitles, like what they say when they die and all that jazz..

I ought to try the subtitles some time. I guess I'm the exact opposite, in that if I'm forced to read then I'm not going to get half as much as were I just listening. (I've had two teachers get very angry about me not taking notes in classes. They didn't believe that if I was taking notes, I wasn't listening. I'm weird.)

It's amazing how dull and bloodless a scene can be without that background score. I think that most of the time you aren't going to pick up on it unless you're listening for it.... which I guess is a good thing since you don't want it to detract from the scene. Plus it helps subconsciously set the mood. Maker, we think the DA:O underpants loves scenes were awkward ... imagine if they weren't scored and just had *sounds*. How uncomfortable and slappy would that be???  Image IPBImage IPB

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R2s Muse wrote...

LOL I am so impressed with how musically literate you all seem to be... and realizing with sinking heart that I'm the oddball. I never notice the music at all, except to be annoyed that it's so loud and I can't hear the dialogue. LOL So eventually I turn it down or off... Hmmm, seems I'm missing something.



Not at all. I think there comes a point where everyone has that "a-ha!" moment where the music finally comes through the dialogue and you start noticing it.

My thoughts regarding the music in Dragon Age was that in DA;O music definitely complimented the storyline. Compositions such as the love theme (romance scene at camp) and Leliana's lament to the elves (likewise at camp) really made DA:O a much more emotional experience. I regarded DAII's score more like a film's musical soundtrack, assisting the storyline but never really emphasizing it. That's not necessarily a bad thing but after DA:O's music, DAII's is just...there. 

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MageTarot wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL I am so impressed with how musically literate you all seem to be... and realizing with sinking heart that I'm the oddball. I never notice the music at all, except to be annoyed that it's so loud and I can't hear the dialogue. LOL So eventually I turn it down or off... Hmmm, seems I'm missing something.



Not at all. I think there comes a point where everyone has that "a-ha!" moment where the music finally comes through the dialogue and you start noticing it.

My thoughts regarding the music in Dragon Age was that in DA;O music definitely complimented the storyline. Compositions such as the love theme (romance scene at camp) and Leliana's lament to the elves (likewise at camp) really made DA:O a much more emotional experience. I regarded DAII's score more like a film's musical soundtrack, assisting the storyline but never really emphasizing it. That's not necessarily a bad thing but after DA:O's music, DAII's is just...there. 

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PhantomGinger wrote...
*tears of badassness roll down face* :lol:

rotfl, you madame have a gift with expressing yourself :lol:


Haha, thank you! :lol:


meanieweenie wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL I am so impressed with how musically literate you all seem to be... and realizing with sinking heart that I'm the oddball. I never notice the music at all, except to be annoyed that it's so loud and I can't hear the dialogue. LOL So eventually I turn it down or off... Hmmm, seems I'm missing something.



Not at all. I think there comes a point where everyone has that "a-ha!" moment where the music finally comes through the dialogue and you start noticing it.

My thoughts regarding the music in Dragon Age was that in DA;O music definitely complimented the storyline. Compositions such as the love theme (romance scene at camp) and Leliana's lament to the elves (likewise at camp) really made DA:O a much more emotional experience. I regarded DAII's score more like a film's musical soundtrack, assisting the storyline but never really emphasizing it. That's not necessarily a bad thing but after DA:O's music, DAII's is just...there. 

Totally on your team with this one. Image IPB


Pretty much. Nothing sticks out as heart-wrenching or emotionally stirring. The music fits the games, it's just...well, there. XD

Speaking of such things, I wonder what Cullen's theme would sound like. Most likely a mix of the original templar theme - I wouldn't mind hearing some of the Chant of Light.

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R2s Muse wrote...

LOL I am so impressed with how musically literate you all seem to be... and realizing with sinking heart that I'm the oddball. I never notice the music at all, except to be annoyed that it's so loud and I can't hear the dialogue. LOL So eventually I turn it down or off... Hmmm, seems I'm missing something.


I am/was a musician, so I always notice music. It's very important for me, and when it doesn't work, it is glaring for me. And when it's merely background noise, it actually annoys me!

Oh to the person who mentioned Thane... yes, I cried then, too lol and also did not romance him. GOD!!!! *sniffle*

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I just wish may would go away already and june would run on up. This month has been nothing but crappy for me. So some good DA3 news would be a welcomed distraction.

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If Cullen turns out to be a LI in DA3 I hope they make a flag so tat he refuses to romance a blood Mage. :)

I'm actually expecting them to do something extra for all different types of classes and specialisations. How people react, what the PC can do etc, not only for the Mage class and blood Mage specialisation. Maybe I am hoping for too much?

I remember in Baldur's Gate 2, you can't cast magic within the city without getting harassed by the magic police. You needed a licence to do that. Kind of cool. So NPCs reacting to the player AND the party is nothing new, just wish they'd implement that kind of thing again.

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VampOrchid wrote...

I just wish may would go away already and june would run on up. This month has been nothing but crappy for me. So some good DA3 news would be a welcomed distraction.


I know the feeling. It'll be here before you know it. :)

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If Cullen turns out to be a LI in DA3 I hope they make a flag so tat he refuses to romance a blood Mage. :)

I'm actually expecting them to do something extra for all different types of classes and specialisations. How people react, what the PC can do etc, not only for the Mage class and blood Mage specialisation. Maybe I am hoping for too much?

I remember in Baldur's Gate 2, you can't cast magic within the city without getting harassed by the magic police. You needed a licence to do that. Kind of cool. So NPCs reacting to the player AND the party is nothing new, just wish they'd implement that kind of thing again.


I think the devs did indeed say they would try to have our class and specializations noticed...especially if we choose to be a Blood Mage. I can't wait for that, even if it's just a passing comment or suspicion. Now, if we choose to waterbend blood for our amusement, I would expect some sort of resistance, especially in a possible romance with a character such as Cullen. Due to his experience with such maleficarum, I hightly doubt he would want to be with, or be around them. He might even go Holy Smite on our arse. Even so, choosing to be a Blood Mage would be difficult if it excluded a romance with that hunk of a templar. 

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