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[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Dear Maker, indeed, do NOT want MP interfering with my SP game. no way. I could see stand-alone dungeon crawls if they're totally separate and parallel... Like Legacy DLC, but obviously smaller dungeons. I could also see arena PVP... Not that I'd participate in it. (Ugh, hate PVP)

This is why MP and RPGs just... don't seem to go together to me. The RPG is all about the amazing story and characters... you spend hours creating your own character, then get emotionally swept away as you go through the narrative, making crucial choices that result in either wonderful or terrible things.

MP is about having fun with friends... you don't need a narrative at all. Seriously, who played Halo for the narrative. Gimme a break.

Come to think of it, if we really are part of the Inquisition then chances are the "characters" we play as in multiplayer would be agents of our Inquisitor carrying out objectives for coin/info/"readiness" *shudders*, then anything we earn/find/etc during multiplayer gets sent straight back to our protagonist in the single player campaign and unlocks a bunch of weapon sh!te we won't even use.

OMG... I think you could be on to something  Oh god, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

Maybe it'll be like a group of players going into different areas/environments in-game with set objectives to complete whilst fighting against enemies as we go, kinda like ME3 multiplayer, but with swords, bows, magic and daggers instead.

We'd probably get to play as different races and just change the colours of their skin/hair/clothes etc, again like ME3 multiplayer.

Now see, they might could coax me with the bribe of race option. Maybe. I'd probably still complain about it unless I'm assured it won't affect my SP game.

[neonmoth]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Of course, a Hanged Man tavern where the Cullen thread could converge and hang out would be awesome! 

OMG that would be awesome!!!!  We all "show up" as our inquisitors/PCs. Then this guy walks up amongst the gaggle of women, and everyone is like, Deuce? Danny? BBM? NOPE It's MMG; she always plays as a dude, remember? Oh right, her!

Oh, that would be absolutely awesome. Suddenly the whole mp started to look more appealing. I can imagine dim lights, Cullen's posters all over the walls, maybe even Cullen poping in to check up on his fanclub... And totally serious conversations on wide range of topics, most concerned with Cullen

[CuriousArtemis]

neonmoth wrote...

Oh, that would be absolutely awesome. Suddenly the whole mp started to look more appealing. I can imagine dim lights, Cullen's posters all over the walls, maybe even Cullen poping in to check up on his fanclub... And totally serious conversations on wide range of topics, most concerned with Cullen

*nods sagely* Of course, very serious, very very serious.

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...
Come to think of it, if we really are part of the Inquisition then chances are the "characters" we play as in multiplayer would be agents of our Inquisitor carrying out objectives for coin/info/"readiness" *shudders*, then anything we earn/find/etc during multiplayer gets sent straight back to our protagonist in the single player campaign and unlocks a bunch of weapon sh!te we won't even use.

Uhh, scratch that thought, no more readiness aka coin aka info

[LolaLei]

Cullen: What are you lot talking about?

Us: Uh... current political affairs within Thedas today... *Looks shifty*

Cullen: Oh. Carry on then.

[neonmoth]

motomotogirl wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

Oh, that would be absolutely awesome. Suddenly the whole mp started to look more appealing. I can imagine dim lights, Cullen's posters all over the walls, maybe even Cullen poping in to check up on his fanclub... And totally serious conversations on wide range of topics, most concerned with Cullen

*nods sagely* Of course, very serious, very very serious.

I would deliver all the lines stone-faced. That has to count as serious treatment

Edit: I totally did not read it again as "stoned", nope...

Modifié par neonmoth, 27 mai 2013 - 01:55 .

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...

Cullen: What are you lot talking about?

Us: Uh... current political affairs within Thedas today... *Looks shifty*

Cullen: Oh. Carry on then.

hahaha, so true!

[LolaLei]

Weird to think that this time next year we will have all played DA3 at least 4+ times, lol.

[neonmoth]

^^ Weird to think that this time next year we will be still waiting for DA3 release due to developers trying to achieve perfection of a game, trying to encompass all the fan suggestions, even the contradictory ones
Sorry, it's the effect of frustration with my tablet messing the editing...

Edit: I guess being tired inspires a moderate trolling in me; to avoid further decline, I'm out of here...

Modifié par neonmoth, 27 mai 2013 - 02:04 .

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Woop! I am eagerly waiting for the moment of just first turning on the game and getting goosebumps as the first scenes roll in. After, of course, of having been hours in the character creator.

[LolaLei]

neonmoth wrote...

^^ Weird to think that this time next year we will be still waiting for DA3 release due to developers trying to achieve perfection of a game, trying to encompass all the fan suggestions, even the contradictory ones
Sorry, it's the effect of frustration with my tablet messing the editing...

Edit: I guess being tired inspires a moderate trolling in me; to avoid further decline, I'm out of here...

Waiting until 2015 to discover that Cullen still isn't a companion/LI? Yeah, that would certainly do me in! 

[R2s Muse]

neonmoth wrote...

Oh, that would be absolutely awesome. Suddenly the whole mp started to look more appealing. I can imagine dim lights, Cullen's posters all over the walls, maybe even Cullen poping in to check up on his fanclub... And totally serious conversations on wide range of topics, most concerned with Cullen

oh man, picturing the Cullen posters is perfect! 

[deuce985]

LolaLei wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if it'll be like an online multiplayer arena, dungeon crawling or simple hack 'n' slash against waves of enemies, or something like that. I'd prefer to keep multiplayer away from the single player campaign itself though, like I wouldn't want it to be like Fable where other heroes can come in and start messing with your game etc.

To me, true MP is straight up kicking a-s-s. You hunt and find and kill your friends and then talk sh!t to them lol Or you and some friends join a group of strangers and hunt and find and kill the other team. 

This fighting waves of AI is just... soulless, IMO 

Dear Maker, indeed, do NOT want MP interfering with my SP game. no way. I could see stand-alone dungeon crawls if they're totally separate and parallel... Like Legacy DLC, but obviously smaller dungeons. I could also see arena PVP... Not that I'd participate in it. (Ugh, hate PVP) 

Of course, a Hanged Man tavern where the Cullen thread could converge and hang out would be awesome! 

I guess if they HAD to kill my gaming experience and force some MP, they could stick it into something like Orzamar's proving arena. You have to fight someone.... may as well lose my butt to one of you guys. lol

I could totally see something like that. Like, one of those Tervinter "test your might" in the pit against monsters and enemies etc. They had something similar in Jade Empire actually, except it wasn't multiplayer.

I'm hoping DA:I's MP is anything but competitive. I actually enjoyed ME3's MP and that's because it's co-op. ME3's MP has a lot of balance issues that make you feel like an overpowered player. That's good for a game that isn't competitive. RPGs should make you feel powerful.

I would like to see something similar to Baldur's Gate MP or SWTOR on a much smaller scale(obviously). Maybe do story campaigns that are unique to MP with your buddies? I just don't see competitive MP working at all for Dragon Age. A lot of players aren't people who play FPS competitively I'd imagine. A big portion will likely want MP that they can play at their pace and without pressure. Story campaigns is the easiest to do. Nobody buys a Dragon Age game for MP after all...

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

... I'm sure we done something like that with a banner in the past, although I could be imagining things.

Honestly though, it's gonna take more than a banner to prepare myself LOL, but I agree that we should definitely try to get into the mindset that he probably won't be a companion/LI or that something sh!tty is gonna happen to him.

I'm just catching after a day of driving so pardon the randomness of this pages old quote... But to this end, I wrote a topic post. I'd... like some feedback on it before I publish it...


POSTHINGY:



Cullen: Some of us like him. Some of us don't. It's all
good. Everyone is different and has their own opinion.and that's awesome. For my part, I
am in the party that likes Dragon Age's most controversial templar. I could give
a laundry list of the reasons why but in short, I think he has an interesting
and compelling story to tell. But that's me. As we all know, there are fans of
the Dragon Age franchise who just want to kill him off.



To that I say... ok.

I'm all for it! You want a chance to murder knife Cullen?
I want you to have that chance. You want to be able to not recruit him and
leave him to rot wherever you found him? I wish you could have that too. Why
would I wish for you to have that? Because it's only fair should fans like
myself be able to recruit him as a companion.



To make my point... *snicker* I'll use Anders for reference. I liked Anders in
Awakening. When he
appeared in DA2, I was overjoyed! But then... he started to grate on my nerves.
After my first playthrough, I had hoped to be able to skip recruiting him.
That's not possible however - see? I even want you guys to have what I didn't!
I HAD to recruit Anders. But he was easy enough to leave behind for most of the
game. When I had the chance to shank him, it felt satisfying to get
rid of a character that had irritated me so. I've also spared him. And I've had
my mage romance the robe off of him. That's curiosity for you, I guess... What
really stuck in my craw about Anders was that you have to deal him for a portion
of the game. And you can't kill him until the end.



For everyone who wants not have to deal with Cullen, let me just say that I
don't want you to have to deal with him either! It sucks being stuck with a
character you don't like appearing here and there throughout a game. At the
very least, I'd love it if you are able to murder knife him. If he shows up
again and is recruitable, it's only fair that the option is there for you.



So to that end I ask you... Who are your top picks for receiving some attention from the
Murder Knife? Just to be arbitrary, I'll say list three if you can.



Mine are: Leliana, Mother Petrice (yes I know she's dead but I wanted to do it
myself) and Seneschal Bran (or is he dead too? I forgot).


Soooo... what do you gals think? I could truncate it and remove all the Anders stuff, though I feel it illustrates my point. The sentiment floating around that we, as Cullen's fans, can't stand to hear about anyone wanting to kill him, as if we'd impose our preferences on others has been bugging me, lately. Our love for Cullen does not mean we'd insist he be shoved into everybody's faces regardless of what they want. The notion that we'd ask for this annoys me. <_< A lot! haha!

Edit: Oh, by the way: Hi everyone! *waves*

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 27 mai 2013 - 04:51 .

[VampOrchid]

LolaLei wrote...

Weird to think that this time next year we will have all played DA3 at least 4+ times, lol.

Did I miss something? Like news of a release date?

[VampOrchid]

BTW just got back from my first day out of the house since my quarantine started. I was able to go out today but my house is still considered ick zone. Anyways, it's me and the hubby's 8year today and he took me to see Ironman 3!

[CuriousArtemis]

Well, it actually does annoy me to see people gleefully hoping they'll have the chance to murder-knife *insert character name*. I think there's something bizarre and sociopathic about wanting so badly to "murder" a character.

The sentiment I can agree with is being forced to interact with a character that your PC doesn't wish to interact with. I don't care if the PLAYER doesn't like the character or not. Boo-fcuking-hoo lol You don't like Cullen, aww, boo, poor you. Suck it up and grow a pair lol But I don't like it if my PC, who hates blood mages and would never do anything to support one, is forced to continuously talk to someone like Merrill. Now, luckily with Merrill, you don't actually HAVE to EVER talk to her again. And I believe it's the same with Anders. However, it WAS very jarring when Merrill suddenly showed up at the end of narrative, even though that particular Hawke of mine had barely said two words to her. But all in all, I thought DA2 did fine with not forcing you to interact with certain characters.

I really am past caring what other people on the internet think about me because I happen to like a certain character.

What does concern me is that some of the more vocal nay-sayers can and have caught the eye of the writers, and that these individuals could actually affect how the writers choose to tell the story.

Another problem I have with Cullen-haters is that they often are not genuinely Cullen-haters; they are Cullen fangirl-haters. (Just the fangirls; male Cullen fans are never, ever acknowledged.) Fangirl-hate is simply misogyny by another name.

[VampOrchid]

I'm still not ok with the MP idea...why is it, that MP is always getting shoved down our throats? "you can't get full experience unless you play MP"... Total BS lol. I'm not the biggest fan of 'people' per say, why do I have to play with them? When all I really want to do, is play, privately, by myself with a bunch of NPCs and random mobs.

That's my issue with it...just saying...

There's many other MMORPGs I play. When I feel like it. I don't like the idea of any of my fave solo RPGs having to go MP on me. And then have to get a live account...or pay for an account to play...or blah blah blah blah blah. I hear or see MP, what I really see is "MORE MONEY" . I stick out my tongue at that. The end.

End rant

[CuriousArtemis]

VampOrchid wrote...

I'm still not ok with the MP idea...why is it, that MP is always getting shoved down our throats? "you can't get full experience unless you play MP"... Total BS lol. I'm not the biggest fan of 'people' per say, why do I have to play with them? When all I really want to do, is play, privately, by myself with a bunch of NPCs and random mobs.

That's my issue with it...just saying...

There's many other MMORPGs I play. When I feel like it. I don't like the idea of any of my fave solo RPGs having to go MP on me. And then have to get a live account...or pay for an account to play...or blah blah blah blah blah. I hear or see MP, what I really see is "MORE MONEY" . I stick out my tongue at that. The end.

End rant

100% agree!!

[VampOrchid]

motomotogirl wrote...

Well, it actually does annoy me to see people gleefully hoping they'll have the chance to murder-knife *insert character name*. I think there's something bizarre and sociopathic about wanting so badly to "murder" a character.

The sentiment I can agree with is being forced to interact with a character that your PC doesn't wish to interact with. I don't care if the PLAYER doesn't like the character or not. Boo-fcuking-hoo lol You don't like Cullen, aww, boo, poor you. Suck it up and grow a pair lol But I don't like it if my PC, who hates blood mages and would never do anything to support one, is forced to continuously talk to someone like Merrill. Now, luckily with Merrill, you don't actually HAVE to EVER talk to her again. And I believe it's the same with Anders. However, it WAS very jarring when Merrill suddenly showed up at the end of narrative, even though that particular Hawke of mine had barely said two words to her. But all in all, I thought DA2 did fine with not forcing you to interact with certain characters.

I really am past caring what other people on the internet think about me because I happen to like a certain character.

What does concern me is that some of the more vocal nay-sayers can and have caught the eye of the writers, and that these individuals could actually affect how the writers choose to tell the story.

Another problem I have with Cullen-haters is that they often are not genuinely Cullen-haters; they are Cullen fangirl-haters. (Just the fangirls; male Cullen fans are never, ever acknowledged.) Fangirl-hate is simply misogyny by another name.

I'm not worried about anyone's negative non constructive opinions. Why? Because, usually the writers have thought up a story long before the second game was even finished. They probably just build from what they have after that.

I know that they do note the fans likes and dislikes. But it doesn't necessarily mean they'll change what they have already. They know they are going to get back lash regardless of their choices, so they just go with what they feel is write.

I really can't see them changing a story if any one character has an important role, just because a certain part of the fan base doesn't agree with their choices.

But I have to agree that a lot, not all, but a lot of the Anti Cullen people out there seem to be Anti Cullen Fangirl. Which is the case in almost any fandom. As soon as a character has a strong fangirl fan base, it most of the times turns out to be the same case.

I've seen it time and time again.

Cullen
Alistair

Carth in KOTOR
Atton in KOTOR2

and don't get me started on the comic or movie fan base.

It seems to be a violent plague throught the universe of fandom, unfortunately:police:

[Twice a Lady]

VampOrchid wrote...

I'm still not ok with the MP idea...why is it, that MP is always getting shoved down our throats? "you can't get full experience unless you play MP"... Total BS lol. I'm not the biggest fan of 'people' per say, why do I have to play with them? When all I really want to do, is play, privately, by myself with a bunch of NPCs and random mobs.

That's my issue with it...just saying...

There's many other MMORPGs I play. When I feel like it. I don't like the idea of any of my fave solo RPGs having to go MP on me. And then have to get a live account...or pay for an account to play...or blah blah blah blah blah. I hear or see MP, what I really see is "MORE MONEY" . I stick out my tongue at that. The end.

End rant

I've never been really down with MP either. I just don't care much for sharing my game with others. When I play, it's my 'me time' -my character decisions, my playthrough, my experience. Call me selfish, but I feel like it's invading my personal space having to play online with a bunch of strangers.
i know someone mentioned ME3 MP a few pages back about needing the MP to get all ending options before the EC was released and I completely, 100% agree with their livid emotions towards that.

[Twice a Lady]

In regards to the fan feedback, I don't think it really plays into the grand scheme of things if a character takes a turn the fans don't want. While one fan base may adamantly hate what's been done to 'their' beloved character, another set of people will pick up the banner and love the character for the changes. Fans spawn from everywhere!!!! I wasn't a big Anders fan at all in Awakenings, and had a 'meh' attitude towards him. I even often referred to him as the 'poor man's Alistair'. Was I thrilled to learn he was going to be in DA2? Not really.
And then I played the game and loved Anders, loved what they did to his character (crazy, manic-depressive and all). His changes lost him some old fans but gained him some new ones.

[SamaraDraven]

You make some good points, MMG.

DA2 did pretty good at not forcing you to have certain characters with you. There was a point where you have to go to Sundermount for 2 different quests - and I had told Merrill I wanted not to be friends - but when I went on on a different quest, there she was! I HAD to do her stinking quest! It really peeved me. And after how it went...? I was really kind of wishing that I could have just gotten rid of her altogether. Not that I want to murder anyone just for the sake of murdering them, but if the knife was how I could have the option to NOT deal with Merrill, I was all for it. With Anders, as he started to sour on me, I had stopped having him around. Then he leveled the Chantry. So THEN I thought maybe if I kept him around and tried to help him, that the game would change. It didn't. So THEN I thought maybe not recruiting him would play out differently, (I don't meta game much, can ya tell? ;D ) Still the end was the same. If there's a companion I don't like, I don't want to be forced to deal with them. At all. So that bugged me, having a companion that I had to deal with to some extent and nothing can change it. Having an out for that appeals to me.

Usually, I don't give two figs what other people think but lately, all the Cullen hate - or fangirl hate as you have stated - has been getting on my nerves. I'm sick of it! I'm sick of us being derided for something we're not and for people claiming what they think our intentions are to be true over what really is. Call me naive, but I guess I still hope to make people at least think. You ladies are here, dealing with it when it happens. but I come on and when I do my catching up on what I've missed, I see posts about more trolling against us. It kind of bums me out to visit my happy place only to find it's not so happy. I suppose I'm just not desensitized to it yet. =/

[CuriousArtemis]

Y'all, isn't it crazy that Fenris was the ONLY new romance-able companion? Isabela, Merrill, Anders, all previous characters.

I wonder if the same thing will happen in DA3. It's looking like at least Cassandra, Cullen... but then perhaps two new characters. Sera and Dorian?

Modifié par motomotogirl, 27 mai 2013 - 05:39 .