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[SamaraDraven]

VampOrchid wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Well, it actually does annoy me to see people gleefully hoping they'll have the chance to murder-knife *insert character name*. I think there's something bizarre and sociopathic about wanting so badly to "murder" a character.

The sentiment I can agree with is being forced to interact with a character that your PC doesn't wish to interact with. I don't care if the PLAYER doesn't like the character or not. Boo-fcuking-hoo lol You don't like Cullen, aww, boo, poor you. Suck it up and grow a pair lol But I don't like it if my PC, who hates blood mages and would never do anything to support one, is forced to continuously talk to someone like Merrill. Now, luckily with Merrill, you don't actually HAVE to EVER talk to her again. And I believe it's the same with Anders. However, it WAS very jarring when Merrill suddenly showed up at the end of narrative, even though that particular Hawke of mine had barely said two words to her. But all in all, I thought DA2 did fine with not forcing you to interact with certain characters.

I really am past caring what other people on the internet think about me because I happen to like a certain character.

What does concern me is that some of the more vocal nay-sayers can and have caught the eye of the writers, and that these individuals could actually affect how the writers choose to tell the story.

Another problem I have with Cullen-haters is that they often are not genuinely Cullen-haters; they are Cullen fangirl-haters. (Just the fangirls; male Cullen fans are never, ever acknowledged.) Fangirl-hate is simply misogyny by another name.

I'm not worried about anyone's negative non constructive opinions. Why? Because, usually the writers have thought up a story long before the second game was even finished. They probably just build from what they have after that.

I know that they do note the fans likes and dislikes. But it doesn't necessarily mean they'll change what they have already. They know they are going to get back lash regardless of their choices, so they just go with what they feel is write.

I really can't see them changing a story if any one character has an important role, just because a certain part of the fan base doesn't agree with their choices.

But I have to agree that a lot, not all, but a lot of the Anti Cullen people out there seem to be Anti Cullen Fangirl. Which is the case in almost any fandom. As soon as a character has a strong fangirl fan base, it most of the times turns out to be the same case.

I've seen it time and time again.

Cullen
Alistair

Carth in KOTOR
Atton in KOTOR2

and don't get me started on the comic or movie fan base.

It seems to be a violent plague throught the universe of fandom, unfortunately:police:

So true! And I just don't get it! Why? I mean who are we hurting to like something? What relevance does it have to anyone or anything else? What? Are they afraid that it shows our bars for male companionship are higher than they can meet? So they turn to scorn and comfort themselves with the knowledge that our expectations are unrealisitic? Or is it just that they find it weird? I seriously want to know why anybody else should give a d@mn what we like when it has nothing to do with them. The whole Cullen thing might be understandable to me if we were going about making new "I love Cullen" threads every week! Which we don't so I'm genuinely stumped.

[deuce985]

I do think BSN has a lot of narcissistic attitudes and misogyny though. Sometimes I think it's just randomly internet trolling just because. I'd imagine people like that are most likely very unstable or insecure in real life though. Meh.

Modifié par deuce985, 27 mai 2013 - 05:46 .

[SamaraDraven]

motomotogirl wrote...

Y'all, isn't it crazy that Fenris was the ONLY new romance-able companion? Isabela, Merrill, Anders, all previous characters.

I wonder if the same thing will happen in DA3. It's looking like at least Cassandra, Cullen... but then perhaps two new characters. Sera and Dorian?

I thought Sebastian was also new? Or did he show up somewhere else and I'm forgetting? Still... that's something I hadn't considered.

[Twice a Lady]

motomotogirl wrote...

Y'all, isn't it crazy that Fenris was the ONLY new romance-able companion? Isabela, Merrill, Anders, all previous characters.

I wonder if the same thing will happen in DA3. It's looking like at least Cassandra, Cullen... but then perhaps two new characters. Sera and Dorian?

at least they put a new spin on the recurring characters for DA2 (well maybe not so much Isabela ) to make them seem fresh and new.  I wouldn't mind seeing some old faces turn up again, heck, it might even give less favourable characters from a previous game a chance to become favourable. I always like the new meat though, that bit of the unknown- it always gets me hooked. Fenris was the perfect helping of that!

[CuriousArtemis]

SamaraDraven wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Y'all, isn't it crazy that Fenris was the ONLY new romance-able companion? Isabela, Merrill, Anders, all previous characters.

I wonder if the same thing will happen in DA3. It's looking like at least Cassandra, Cullen... but then perhaps two new characters. Sera and Dorian?

I thought Sebastian was also new? Or did he show up somewhere else and I'm forgetting? Still... that's something I hadn't considered.

Oh, pshaw, Sebastian doesn't count.

*hides from R2*

[deuce985]

VampOrchid wrote...

I'm still not ok with the MP idea...why is it, that MP is always getting shoved down our throats? "you can't get full experience unless you play MP"... Total BS lol. I'm not the biggest fan of 'people' per say, why do I have to play with them? When all I really want to do, is play, privately, by myself with a bunch of NPCs and random mobs.

That's my issue with it...just saying...

There's many other MMORPGs I play. When I feel like it. I don't like the idea of any of my fave solo RPGs having to go MP on me. And then have to get a live account...or pay for an account to play...or blah blah blah blah blah. I hear or see MP, what I really see is "MORE MONEY" . I stick out my tongue at that. The end.

End rant

I kinda agree with this myself. I do like to be social when I'm gaming but only when it means me and my buddies can help each other. Very rarely can I stomach competitive MP games anymore.

All this freaking social networking and social gaming craze these days. Sometimes I just want time to myself. Yea, I can totally understand that. Dragon Age was founded on being SP only too. I'm pretty sure you're not going to find anyone going around right now saying they're going to buy Dragon Age for the MP because it never had it to being with.

[Twice a Lady]

deuce985 wrote...

I do think BSN has a lot of narcissistic attitudes and misogyny though. Sometimes I think it's just randomly internet trolling just because. I'd imagine people like that are most likely very unstable or insecure in real life though. Meh.

Agreed. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Twice a Lady wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Y'all, isn't it crazy that Fenris was the ONLY new romance-able companion? Isabela, Merrill, Anders, all previous characters.

I wonder if the same thing will happen in DA3. It's looking like at least Cassandra, Cullen... but then perhaps two new characters. Sera and Dorian?

at least they put a new spin on the recurring characters for DA2 (well maybe not so much Isabela ) to make them seem fresh and new.  I wouldn't mind seeing some old faces turn up again, heck, it might even give less favourable characters from a previous game a chance to become favourable. I always like the new meat though, that bit of the unknown- it always gets me hooked. Fenris was the perfect helping of that!

How would everyone feel though if someone from DA2 (or even DA:O) returns as a full-fledged companion... but changed completely? Cullen is excluded from this, of course... none of us wants to see him drawn out as a completely different person.

But suppose Alain were to return... YAY I think with excitement. Only to see he's been rewritten as a vane and narcassistic jerk. What... that's not even the same character. I weep onto my controller.

Lia returns, but she's a shy and delicate girl who decided to give up the sword.

Athenril returns, but she's renounced smuggling and has become a Chantry sister.

I can start to see why DA:A Anders fans were so ticked off. I encountered DA2 first, so ofc that's the Anders I know and love. Granted, Isablela was just polished off a bit, while Merrill was literally given a personality.

So maybe it would be more comparable to suggest that... someone like Templar Hugh were to become a companion. He has like zero personality to begin with, so is a blank slate like Merrill lol

Modifié par motomotogirl, 27 mai 2013 - 05:53 .

[SamaraDraven]

motomotogirl wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Y'all, isn't it crazy that Fenris was the ONLY new romance-able companion? Isabela, Merrill, Anders, all previous characters.

I wonder if the same thing will happen in DA3. It's looking like at least Cassandra, Cullen... but then perhaps two new characters. Sera and Dorian?

I thought Sebastian was also new? Or did he show up somewhere else and I'm forgetting? Still... that's something I hadn't considered.

Oh, pshaw, Sebastian doesn't count.

*hides from R2*

hahahahahaha! Oh, for R2, them's fightin' words!

[deuce985]

I would personally like to see game development cater to women more equally compared to males. Actually read something on this other day. Game industry is very male dominated and in some companies, women do not get the input the males get because publishers only think gaming fits a very specific stereotype for males. If you want to see the very definition of misogyny, you should read some articles on it.

Quite sad really. It seems to me Bioware is one of the few companies trying to equally cater to both genders. That's something I really respect in Bioware personally. Would ya'll say Bioware does that well? It's only fair women get their share of gaming considering how much it has catered to males. How many games in the industry can you play where you can pick male or female? Seems like very few. Usually it's a male forced on the player.

Saw something on that too. Publishers seem to think a game with a female protagonist can't sell like one with a male...

Modifié par deuce985, 27 mai 2013 - 06:00 .

[Twice a Lady]

Hmmmm, I think as long as a character is given a solid reason for such drastic changing, then I could accept the transformation. I'm part of the minority that likes Anders' drastic change. I felt the reasoning for his transformation was believable. I think it made him a far more interesting character and if changing Athenril to a chantry sister, or Alain to narcissistic jerk makes them more interesting in the end or even a weightier character because of their ups and downs, then I am all for it. I can get on board that drastic things can change people drastically.

[deuce985]

Here's one I read other day if ya'll are interested in reading. That's how some of those women feel developing games.

[Twice a Lady]

deuce985 wrote...

I would personally like to see game development cater to women more equally compared to males. Actually read something on this other day. Game industry is very male dominated and in some companies, women do not get the input the males get because publishers only think gaming fits a very specific stereotype for males. If you want to see the very definition of misogyny, you should read some articles on it.

Quite sad really. It seems to me Bioware is one of the few companies trying to equally cater to both genders. That's something I really respect in Bioware personally. Would ya'll say Bioware does that well? It's only fair women get their share of gaming considering how much it has catered to males. How many games in the industry can you play where you can pick male or female? Seems like very few. Usually it's a male forced on the player.

Saw something on that too. Publishers seem to think a game with a female protagonist can't sell like one with a male...

Ah, yes, I've seen plenty of those articles. It is disturbing and does need to change. There is still that mind set that games are for males. This is partly the reason why I have a hard time playing as a male character in BioWare games. I get offered the chance to play as my actual gender, and I take it! I agree that BioWare is one of the companies taking a stand. We even got a Me3 trailer with fem Shep and an optional case with fem Shep on the cover of the game. It was a nice small step, I think.

[SamaraDraven]

motomotogirl wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Y'all, isn't it crazy that Fenris was the ONLY new romance-able companion? Isabela, Merrill, Anders, all previous characters.

I wonder if the same thing will happen in DA3. It's looking like at least Cassandra, Cullen... but then perhaps two new characters. Sera and Dorian?

at least they put a new spin on the recurring characters for DA2 (well maybe not so much Isabela ) to make them seem fresh and new.  I wouldn't mind seeing some old faces turn up again, heck, it might even give less favourable characters from a previous game a chance to become favourable. I always like the new meat though, that bit of the unknown- it always gets me hooked. Fenris was the perfect helping of that!

How would everyone feel though if someone from DA2 (or even DA:O) returns as a full-fledged companion... but changed completely? Cullen is excluded from this, of course... none of us wants to see him drawn out as a completely different person.

But suppose Alain were to return... YAY I think with excitement. Only to see he's been rewritten as a vane and narcassistic jerk. What... that's not even the same character. I weep onto my controller.

Lia returns, but she's a shy and delicate girl who decided to give up the sword.

Athenril returns, but she's renounced smuggling and has become a Chantry sister.

I can start to see why DA:A Anders fans were so ticked off. I encountered DA2 first, so ofc that's the Anders I know and love. Granted, Isablela was just polished off a bit, while Merrill was literally given a personality.

So maybe it would be more comparable to suggest that... someone like Templar Hugh were to become a companion. He has like zero personality to begin with, so is a blank slate like Merrill lol

I think Lia was kind of all sweet and shy when Hawke interacted with her. I also thought it was neat to know that she wanted to take up the sword. A sweet delicate flower that can kick ass? Oh sweet mercy! But then, I have a thing for opposites being wrapped up in the same package.

So then... what if Cullen is really a sissy and can't fight at all? *ducks tomatoes*

I do love what they did with Izzy, though. It was in keeping with her character and was more fleshed out, personalized for her and she's like my bro. Only a woman...

Merrill was sooooo bland in DAO! And she seemed a little b!tchy too...

It had been so long since I played Awakening that Anders was a fond memory. When he appeared in DA2, I thought maybe I wasn't remembering him correctly. He breaks my heart. I suppose this is why I can still deal with Fenris for a bit, though he harps basically as much as Anders. All the guys in DA2 were either obsessively negative for me or they were unromancable! Why Varric? Why?!  Most of my Hawkes romanced no one. Damn! I miss Alistair! hahaha!

[deuce985]

motomotogirl wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Y'all, isn't it crazy that Fenris was the ONLY new romance-able companion? Isabela, Merrill, Anders, all previous characters.

I wonder if the same thing will happen in DA3. It's looking like at least Cassandra, Cullen... but then perhaps two new characters. Sera and Dorian?

at least they put a new spin on the recurring characters for DA2 (well maybe not so much Isabela ) to make them seem fresh and new.  I wouldn't mind seeing some old faces turn up again, heck, it might even give less favourable characters from a previous game a chance to become favourable. I always like the new meat though, that bit of the unknown- it always gets me hooked. Fenris was the perfect helping of that!

How would everyone feel though if someone from DA2 (or even DA:O) returns as a full-fledged companion... but changed completely? Cullen is excluded from this, of course... none of us wants to see him drawn out as a completely different person.

But suppose Alain were to return... YAY I think with excitement. Only to see he's been rewritten as a vane and narcassistic jerk. What... that's not even the same character. I weep onto my controller.

Lia returns, but she's a shy and delicate girl who decided to give up the sword.

Athenril returns, but she's renounced smuggling and has become a Chantry sister.

I can start to see why DA:A Anders fans were so ticked off. I encountered DA2 first, so ofc that's the Anders I know and love. Granted, Isablela was just polished off a bit, while Merrill was literally given a personality.

So maybe it would be more comparable to suggest that... someone like Templar Hugh were to become a companion. He has like zero personality to begin with, so is a blank slate like Merrill lol

It would need to be done well. A natural progression of their character development. I think regardless where they're at, you need to still be able to identify with that companion.

Anders is nothing like Awakening. I understand why and it makes sense but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Sometimes I felt like slapping him because he became all serious and whiny at times. It's like how can a traumatic event like that completely morph someone's personality? He didn't identify with the old personality traits of Anders one bit. About the only thing was his apperance...lol.

It wasn't something necessarily bad, I just didn't like it. He goes from being an awesome fellow to one I'd like to slap around in DA2.

[SamaraDraven]

Twice a Lady wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

I would personally like to see game development cater to women more equally compared to males. Actually read something on this other day. Game industry is very male dominated and in some companies, women do not get the input the males get because publishers only think gaming fits a very specific stereotype for males. If you want to see the very definition of misogyny, you should read some articles on it.

Quite sad really. It seems to me Bioware is one of the few companies trying to equally cater to both genders. That's something I really respect in Bioware personally. Would ya'll say Bioware does that well? It's only fair women get their share of gaming considering how much it has catered to males. How many games in the industry can you play where you can pick male or female? Seems like very few. Usually it's a male forced on the player.

Saw something on that too. Publishers seem to think a game with a female protagonist can't sell like one with a male...

Ah, yes, I've seen plenty of those articles. It is disturbing and does need to change. There is still that mind set that games are for males. This is partly the reason why I have a hard time playing as a male character in BioWare games. I get offered the chance to play as my actual gender, and I take it! I agree that BioWare is one of the companies taking a stand. We even got a Me3 trailer with fem Shep and an optional case with fem Shep on the cover of the game. It was a nice small step, I think.

I do love that Bioware does this! A good example of the dominating male attitude in gaming can be found in one of my favorites franchises: Thief. I love love love this series! But... the protagonist is male. He's not customizable at all. At the end of the third installment, a kid tries to steal from Garret, but he catches her. The post-game write up and initial fourth game talks were rumored to be about Garret teaching this girl his craft because she reminded him of himself. She had shown promise to get so close to him without him noticing...

But those plans were tossed out when the developer closed its doors. Now... a new studio has the rights to make a new Thief game and what are they doing with it? It's all about Garret. It doesn't have the title of being the fourth game. It's essentially a reboot of the franchise. Don't get me wrong; I'm happy to see new Thief, but I was soooo looking forward to the story of him passing on the torch, as it were. I dare anyone to tell me this decision didn't have at least some talk around the table about how making it about a girl wouldn't sell. Sad thing is, they're probably right. Not that women can't be badass in video games,but that men are still so chauvinist, that they'd be put off by a girl being the hero and being forced to play as her. It's saddening...

[deuce985]

SamaraDraven wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

I would personally like to see game development cater to women more equally compared to males. Actually read something on this other day. Game industry is very male dominated and in some companies, women do not get the input the males get because publishers only think gaming fits a very specific stereotype for males. If you want to see the very definition of misogyny, you should read some articles on it.

Quite sad really. It seems to me Bioware is one of the few companies trying to equally cater to both genders. That's something I really respect in Bioware personally. Would ya'll say Bioware does that well? It's only fair women get their share of gaming considering how much it has catered to males. How many games in the industry can you play where you can pick male or female? Seems like very few. Usually it's a male forced on the player.

Saw something on that too. Publishers seem to think a game with a female protagonist can't sell like one with a male...

Ah, yes, I've seen plenty of those articles. It is disturbing and does need to change. There is still that mind set that games are for males. This is partly the reason why I have a hard time playing as a male character in BioWare games. I get offered the chance to play as my actual gender, and I take it! I agree that BioWare is one of the companies taking a stand. We even got a Me3 trailer with fem Shep and an optional case with fem Shep on the cover of the game. It was a nice small step, I think.

I do love that Bioware does this! A good example of the dominating male attitude in gaming can be found in one of my favorites franchises: Thief. I love love love this series! But... the protagonist is male. He's not customizable at all. At the end of the third installment, a kid tries to steal from Garret, but he catches her. The post-game write up and initial fourth game talks were rumored to be about Garret teaching this girl his craft because she reminded him of himself. She had shown promise to get so close to him without him noticing...

But those plans were tossed out when the developer closed its doors. Now... a new studio has the rights to make a new Thief game and what are they doing with it? It's all about Garret. It doesn't have the title of being the fourth game. It's essentially a reboot of the franchise. Don't get me wrong; I'm happy to see new Thief, but I was soooo looking forward to the story of him passing on the torch, as it were. I dare anyone to tell me this decision didn't have at least some talk around the table about how making it about a girl wouldn't sell. Sad thing is, they're probably right. Not that women can't be badass in video games,but that men are still so chauvinist, that they'd be put off by a girl being the hero and being forced to play as her. It's saddening...

This is funny because it's true. I know a certain male friend of mine who told me this exactly. He said the only reason he didn't like the new Tomb Raider is because he played as a female.

If a guy has that mentality I feel sorry for women because it's not like they have a ton of options in games.

Thief is being handled by Eidos Montreal btw. It's the same devs who made Deus Ex: Human Revolution(a game I loved).

[Chanda]

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

... I'm sure we done something like that with a banner in the past, although I could be imagining things.

Honestly though, it's gonna take more than a banner to prepare myself LOL, but I agree that we should definitely try to get into the mindset that he probably won't be a companion/LI or that something sh!tty is gonna happen to him.

I'm just catching after a day of driving so pardon the randomness of this pages old quote... But to this end, I wrote a topic post. I'd... like some feedback on it before I publish it...


POSTHINGY:



Cullen: Some of us like him. Some of us don't. It's all
good. Everyone is different and has their own opinion.and that's awesome. For my part, I
am in the party that likes Dragon Age's most controversial templar. I could give
a laundry list of the reasons why but in short, I think he has an interesting
and compelling story to tell. But that's me. As we all know, there are fans of
the Dragon Age franchise who just want to kill him off.



To that I say... ok.

I'm all for it! You want a chance to murder knife Cullen?
I want you to have that chance. You want to be able to not recruit him and
leave him to rot wherever you found him? I wish you could have that too. Why
would I wish for you to have that? Because it's only fair should fans like
myself be able to recruit him as a companion.



To make my point... *snicker* I'll use Anders for reference. I liked Anders in
Awakening. When he
appeared in DA2, I was overjoyed! But then... he started to grate on my nerves.
After my first playthrough, I had hoped to be able to skip recruiting him.
That's not possible however - see? I even want you guys to have what I didn't!
I HAD to recruit Anders. But he was easy enough to leave behind for most of the
game. When I had the chance to shank him, it felt satisfying to get
rid of a character that had irritated me so. I've also spared him. And I've had
my mage romance the robe off of him. That's curiosity for you, I guess... What
really stuck in my craw about Anders was that you have to deal him for a portion
of the game. And you can't kill him until the end.



For everyone who wants not have to deal with Cullen, let me just say that I
don't want you to have to deal with him either! It sucks being stuck with a
character you don't like appearing here and there throughout a game. At the
very least, I'd love it if you are able to murder knife him. If he shows up
again and is recruitable, it's only fair that the option is there for you.



So to that end I ask you... Who are your top picks for receiving some attention from the
Murder Knife? Just to be arbitrary, I'll say list three if you can.



Mine are: Leliana, Mother Petrice (yes I know she's dead but I wanted to do it
myself) and Seneschal Bran (or is he dead too? I forgot).


Soooo... what do you gals think? I could truncate it and remove all the Anders stuff, though I feel it illustrates my point. The sentiment floating around that we, as Cullen's fans, can't stand to hear about anyone wanting to kill him, as if we'd impose our preferences on others has been bugging me, lately. Our love for Cullen does not mean we'd insist he be shoved into everybody's faces regardless of what they want. The notion that we'd ask for this annoys me. <_< A lot! haha!

Edit: Oh, by the way: Hi everyone! *waves*

I think it's great. Just be prepared to be trolled. A lot of people don't want Cullen because they think he's taking up space for an LI that could be better. 

[Commander Kurt]

Brushyourteeth; Are you still playing Dragon's Dogma? Did you like it?

Regarding female protags, it seems to be a vicious circle. Games are made for males, meaning that mostly males play them, meaning that games are made for males, and so on. I love what Bioware are doing, getting fresh blood into gaming, and I think the whole industry should thank them.

[HurricaneGinger]

Chanda wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

<snip> 

I think it's great. Just be prepared to be trolled. A lot of people don't want Cullen because they think he's taking up space for an LI that could could not be better. 

Fixed it for yah. XD j/k

But I agree, prepare to be swamped by those who disagree. It's not a bad post, though.

It's silly, because there will be other LIs, and if they don't want to romance him if he is one, then avoid the little heart. But oh well, what can you do? 

Commander Kurt wrote...

Brushyourteeth; Are you still playing Dragon's Dogma? Did you like it?

Regarding female protags, it seems to be a vicious circle. Games are made for males, meaning that mostly males play them, meaning that games are made for males, and so on. I love what Bioware are doing, getting fresh blood into gaming, and I think the whole industry should thank them.

I will say BioWare has spoiled me with being able to pick either gender. It's almost hard for me to play any game with a male protagonist now. Of course when I just start playing, it's still an awesome game (hopefully). But if the game provides it, I will pick the female 99.9% of the time.

Modifié par PhantomGinger, 27 mai 2013 - 07:13 .

[SamaraDraven]

deuce985 wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

I would personally like to see game development cater to women more equally compared to males. Actually read something on this other day. Game industry is very male dominated and in some companies, women do not get the input the males get because publishers only think gaming fits a very specific stereotype for males. If you want to see the very definition of misogyny, you should read some articles on it.

Quite sad really. It seems to me Bioware is one of the few companies trying to equally cater to both genders. That's something I really respect in Bioware personally. Would ya'll say Bioware does that well? It's only fair women get their share of gaming considering how much it has catered to males. How many games in the industry can you play where you can pick male or female? Seems like very few. Usually it's a male forced on the player.

Saw something on that too. Publishers seem to think a game with a female protagonist can't sell like one with a male...

Ah, yes, I've seen plenty of those articles. It is disturbing and does need to change. There is still that mind set that games are for males. This is partly the reason why I have a hard time playing as a male character in BioWare games. I get offered the chance to play as my actual gender, and I take it! I agree that BioWare is one of the companies taking a stand. We even got a Me3 trailer with fem Shep and an optional case with fem Shep on the cover of the game. It was a nice small step, I think.

I do love that Bioware does this! A good example of the dominating male attitude in gaming can be found in one of my favorites franchises: Thief. I love love love this series! But... the protagonist is male. He's not customizable at all. At the end of the third installment, a kid tries to steal from Garret, but he catches her. The post-game write up and initial fourth game talks were rumored to be about Garret teaching this girl his craft because she reminded him of himself. She had shown promise to get so close to him without him noticing...

But those plans were tossed out when the developer closed its doors. Now... a new studio has the rights to make a new Thief game and what are they doing with it? It's all about Garret. It doesn't have the title of being the fourth game. It's essentially a reboot of the franchise. Don't get me wrong; I'm happy to see new Thief, but I was soooo looking forward to the story of him passing on the torch, as it were. I dare anyone to tell me this decision didn't have at least some talk around the table about how making it about a girl wouldn't sell. Sad thing is, they're probably right. Not that women can't be badass in video games,but that men are still so chauvinist, that they'd be put off by a girl being the hero and being forced to play as her. It's saddening...

This is funny because it's true. I know a certain male friend of mine who told me this exactly. He said the only reason he didn't like the new Tomb Raider is because he played as a female.

If a guy has that mentality I feel sorry for women because it's not like they have a ton of options in games.

Thief is being handled by Eidos Montreal btw. It's the same devs who made Deus Ex: Human Revolution(a game I loved).

I had it backwards, sort of. Eidos also handled Thief. I think it was their publisher that went out of business? Or that Eidos was sold? At any rate, some part of the Thief machine was changed. Thief was changed: New engine, new inventory system, new abilities, new story... This is all for the better. But I did so love the idea of seeing Garret come to care for and teach his art to another person. It was fascinating story for me, how he kept beingdrawn into plots of things when he just wants to be left in peace to pilfer whatever shiny catches his eye. (Sometimes it's not even about the shiny, but about the security he has to break through to get to the valuables. Garret loves a challenge.)

I've known guys who've said, that though they love Assassin's Creed - so do I - they didn't buy Liberation for the sole reason that the protag is a woman. Um... but we women who love AC have to play as guys in all the other games. You DudeBros can't stomach playing as a girl for one glorified DLC?! So yeah... Been there. Hell, when I wear my AC shirt, I usually get asked at some point if actually play or raided my other half's dresser. <_< As for playing as a girl in Tomb Raider... As far as I'm aware, that's always been the case. BUT! The original games started out with Lara in impossible clothes with impossible assets and wasn't really RPGing as a girl so much as it was a glorified T & A display. I doubt most males felt all that interested in her story since her story could have been adapted for a guy just as well and viewed her more like a puppet rather than a character whose shoes they wanted to try walking in. It's giving her a meaningful story with emotions and stuff that set them all off kilter. They don't know how to handle NOT getting their usual T & A fix. haha!

[SamaraDraven]

PhantomGinger wrote...

Chanda wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

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I think it's great. Just be prepared to be trolled. A lot of people don't want Cullen because they think he's taking up space for an LI that could could not be better. 

Fixed it for yah. XD j/k

But I agree, prepare to be swamped by those who disagree. It's not a bad post, though.

It's silly, because there will be other LIs, and if they don't want to romance him if he is one, then avoid the little heart. But oh well, what can you do? 

Commander Kurt wrote...

Brushyourteeth; Are you still playing Dragon's Dogma? Did you like it?

Regarding female protags, it seems to be a vicious circle. Games are made for males, meaning that mostly males play them, meaning that games are made for males, and so on. I love what Bioware are doing, getting fresh blood into gaming, and I think the whole industry should thank them.

I will say BioWare has spoiled me with being able to pick either gender. It's almost hard for me to play any game with a male protagonist now. Of course when I just start playing, it's still an awesome game (hopefully). But if the game provides it, I will pick the female 99.9% of the time.

Oh thank you!

It started with Jade Empire for me - or maybe it was Baldur's Gate? 'Nyways... Jade Empire really made ME feel special as a gamer since I could choose a gender. Granted the characters you had to pick from weren't customizable beyond what weapon they use and the roleplaying element was a pretty binary choice, but I still love that game. I still love romancing Sky. (Wish I could have romanced Zu...<_<) That game made me feel like I was badass. Period. Gender be damned! That was another Bioware game and I have loved playing their games since. Yes, I sometimes play as a guy just to see how it's different, but most of the time, if I get to pick my PC's gender... I make her a female most of the time.

As for my post... I keep waffling back and forth on whether or not I post it. I want to, but I feel like I'd be needlessly stirring the pot -and since the haters WILL decide I'm speaking for all of us, rather than just me, I feel I shouldn't post something that could bring flames to all of us since I can't speak for all of us.

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[SamaraDraven]

Oh man am I fading fast! I'm gonna turn in now. Goodnight.

[Chanda]

I think you should post it because it's a very level-headed post that shows that Cullen fans are accepting of others feelings and opinions, and we're not some mob of crazy pitchfork-wielding fangirls.

[Newschmoo]

 Deuce that was an interesting piece on female gamers. Brushyourteeth knows some good reports on this area. I do find the subject interesting. The industry needs to take account of female gamers more. Link here to ESA game data 

www.theesa.com/facts/gameplayer.asp

47% of all players are female. Also states that "adult females represent a greater portion of the gamer-playing population (30%) than boys aged 17 years or younger (18%). I don't know why guys have an issue playing a female character like Lara Croft. She's a tough character.

That is why I love Bioware games so much, because I can play a character that I want.

BTW I had totally forgotten about Templar Hugh. I did like Lia though, sweet and compassionate.

Edit - trying to do a link on a tablet is a pain!

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