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[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

Wow. Interesting dreams, Lola. I love dreams. Thnx for sharing. I'm usually pretty good w/ dream interpretations, but can't quite get a handle on these. Well, not the collapsing shopping mall one.

The other one...I have sum ideas, but not enuf to say anything.

I've got a rough idea at the interpretations of my dreams. I think the one where DA3 ended up looking like Banjoo Kazooie was based on the fact that we've all been speculating on what the game will look like, I've been concerned that they've put so much effort into it's appearance that the story and companion arcs/interaction would suffer. So I think what that dream was portraying was my concerns regarding the matter, DA3 became as shallow as a kids game lol.

As for the second one, I think that was probably channeling my concern that we'll never get Cullen as a companion, thus how he and the protagonist in my dream never quite got together despite them being in love with each other, then when she has to leave him behind to escape I think was again portraying how it feels like we've already got him as a companion thanks to our theories and fanfic making it seem like he's a sure thing, but then remembering that there's a high probability that we won't. the experiment part was probably due to my speculation videos listing all the different possible outcomes that his story and personality could take. As for the DA3 parade, I think that's just down to the fact that the E3 reveal is coming, which means that they'll start doing a lot of PR stuff for the game soon.

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...

I like the attitude here :]

[CuriousArtemis]

rapscallioness wrote...

I'd like the romances to be paced like DAO. There was lots of convo first before the romantic stuff started blooming. I liked that. Even the companion banter abt it before anything was...consumated. The whole, "oh, you like her, don't you?" thing.

But really I hope there is content after consumation. Seriously, in DA2 once you banged them...they didn't have too much else to say. Perhaps consumation closer to the end of the game would be good.

This is interesting because I am finding that this kind of criticism is really based on which characters you romanced. 

In DA:O I have to assume that all of the banter from other characters regarding who you romanced came from the Alistair romance; I don't recall much of this at all with Zevran. Zevran once references that he likes a strong pair of hands, and this is supposed to be in reference to the Warden (there is a female version, too, of course). But it's vague.

In DA2, if you romanced Anders, his romance does pretty much drop off by Act 3. However, if you romanced Fenris, things actually heat up and come to an emotional head by Act 3 (plus you have that wonderful Gallows kiss... which you don't have with Anders.)

So, yeah 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 01 juin 2013 - 09:22 .

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

Oh! And body language. Non verbal clues as to how they may feel abt you would be really cool.

A lingering gaze. The cheesy both of you reaching for the same thing and touching hands. The quiet moment shared...ah...

But I don't wanna over hope for that kinda thing. They got more important things to do, and places to allocate their resources.

It would be nice, tho.

I don't see it as being completely unlikely. I mean, if they're putting ridiculous amounts of details into their eyelashes and stuff, then it's plausible that they might put the same amount of detail in character interaction and the way in which each character go about physical movements and interactions with the protagonist/the world around them etc.

[LolaLei]

rapscallioness wrote...

I'd like the romances to be paced like DAO. There was lots of convo first before the romantic stuff started blooming. I liked that. Even the companion banter abt it before anything was...consumated. The whole, "oh, you like her, don't you?" thing.

But really I hope there is content after consumation. Seriously, in DA2 once you banged them...they didn't have too much else to say. Perhaps consumation closer to the end of the game would be good.

In the meantime a good build up of the romance, and all the delicious sexual chocolate, uh, tension. Sexual/romantic tension is the awesomest.

Yeah, I'd definitely like to see more of that, not just with the romances but with blossoming friendships. Or if you and a companion really don't get on, then maybe some of the other companions would make comments about it and said companions body language would change whenever he/she is near you.

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

I'd like the romances to be paced like DAO. There was lots of convo first before the romantic stuff started blooming. I liked that. Even the companion banter abt it before anything was...consumated. The whole, "oh, you like her, don't you?" thing.

But really I hope there is content after consumation. Seriously, in DA2 once you banged them...they didn't have too much else to say. Perhaps consumation closer to the end of the game would be good.

This is interesting because I am finding that this kind of criticism is really based on which characters you romanced. 

In DA:O I have to assume that all of the banter from other characters regarding who you romanced came from the Alistair romance; I don't recall much of this at all with Zevran. Zevran once references that he likes a strong pair of hands, and this is supposed to be in reference to the Warden (there is a female version, too, of course). But it's vague.

In DA2, if you romanced Anders, his romance does pretty much drop off by Act 3. However, if you romanced Fenris, things actually heat up and come to an emotional head by Act 3 (plus you have that wonderful Gallows kiss... which you don't have with Anders.)

So, yeah 

I'd say Fenris was a big exception to the rule, since the relationship stops for the majority of the game due to his head mess etc. He needed for the romance to heat up towards the end of the game to make up for the lack of it in the middle.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh man, Lola, those dreams are hilarious. Don't know which is funnier: that the character themselves would protest their poor story treatment, or that you stole an inflatable Cullen! LOL

Hell knows what I'll dream about tonight! Probably DA3 related again no doubt, since I had similar happen during the two weeks of waiting for ME3 to come out lol.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

I'd say Fenris was a big exception to the rule, since the relationship stops for the majority of the game due to his head mess etc. He needed for the romance to heat up towards the end of the game to make up for the lack of it in the middle.

Yes, definitely. (Though I can't vouch for Merrill's romance since I never played it.) But you can see why I loved DA2 so much if I'm a Fenris fan. I basically hope to see the DA3 romances play out a bit like that (as opposed to Zev's romance in DA:O which I thought was okay. Really quite nice, but not up to par with Fenris). 

Whereas when I romanced Anders and Isabela, I was very disappointed. Actually with Isabela I thought I maybe hadn't fully romanced her!!! Felt sure I was missing some content. But it turns out I had.

EDIT: Just would like to add overall that I would like to see more reaction to the romance. I want to hear the companions banter about it more (they did do this in DA2 a lot, but I want MORE!) or to even have them mention it in conversation to the PC (such as Isabel offering a place on her ship for the LI... except Fenris, which was glitched.)

In DA:O all I really got was a talk from Wynne. Also, may I also add, Zevran's farewell speech was glitched if you romanced him, so I always get the friend speech.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 01 juin 2013 - 09:37 .

[neonmoth]

motomotogirl wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

I'd like the romances to be paced like DAO. There was lots of convo first before the romantic stuff started blooming. I liked that. Even the companion banter abt it before anything was...consumated. The whole, "oh, you like her, don't you?" thing.

But really I hope there is content after consumation. Seriously, in DA2 once you banged them...they didn't have too much else to say. Perhaps consumation closer to the end of the game would be good.

This is interesting because I am finding that this kind of criticism is really based on which characters you romanced. 

In DA:O I have to assume that all of the banter from other characters regarding who you romanced came from the Alistair romance; I don't recall much of this at all with Zevran. Zevran once references that he likes a strong pair of hands, and this is supposed to be in reference to the Warden (there is a female version, too, of course). But it's vague.

In DA2, if you romanced Anders, his romance does pretty much drop off by Act 3. However, if you romanced Fenris, things actually heat up and come to an emotional head by Act 3 (plus you have that wonderful Gallows kiss... which you don't have with Anders.)

So, yeah 

I agree I only remember it in the context of Alistair's romance, but I absolutely love it since it adds to the overall feel of relationship. Even though Alistair looks at my warden with stone face all the time (out of convos), Wynne somehow can see through it and tease him about eyeing her :] Also, Zev's romantic content happens after the tent time, with a bit of a down time in the middle, so his is reasonably paced. I must say that I 'accidently' finish majority of Alistair's content mid game.

I like different pacing of romances that is somewhat determined by their personality. I would like to tie the progress to main campaign (with flexi bits in between) but to differentiate it between characters, add more dynamics. I wouldn't want the sexy time to be the culmination of the relationship (a la ME).

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'd say Fenris was a big exception to the rule, since the relationship stops for the majority of the game due to his head mess etc. He needed for the romance to heat up towards the end of the game to make up for the lack of it in the middle.

Yes, definitely. (Though I can't vouch for Merrill's romance since I never played it.) But you can see why I loved DA2 so much if I'm a Fenris fan. I basically hope to see the DA3 romances play out a bit like that (as opposed to Zev's romance in DA:O which I thought was okay. Really quite nice, but not up to par with Fenris). 

Whereas when I romanced Anders and Isabela, I was very disappointed. Actually with Isabela I thought I maybe hadn't fully romanced her!!! Felt sure I was missing some content. But it turns out I had.

Yeah, Merrill's plays out the same as the others. With DA:O I found that the other companions would still make comments about the romance between the Warden and other companions beyond Alistair. Although, admittedly Alistair did get the most content out of all the companions because he was so plot heavy, DG said that he wouldn't be doing another companion/LI that was as plot heavy as Alistair was because he felt that it too the attention away from the protagonist. I personally didn't think it did at all, I'd love for all the companions to bethat plot heavy tbh.

You never know, maybe they will all be plot relevant this time if the survey leaks description is anything to go by. If it is then in theory the companions will probably all be part of factions that will be of use to the protagonist for his/her Inquisitory stuff.

[CuriousArtemis]

neonmoth wrote...

I wouldn't want the sexy time to be the culmination of the relationship (a la ME).

I've had to just reconcile that it's a soldier thing... like fraternization isn't allowed, but before the final battle, the lover gives in to temptation and shows up at Shep's door lol

But yes I also did not like that. But ME was also a better narrative and a better milieu, so it could get away with having a more secondary approach to romance. (Of course this from the girl who doesn't romance anyone until ME3).

I think DA's narrative really depends on the romance; it connects you to your character and this one particular character (and by proxy, the other characters) and helps make an inpersonal story personal.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Although, admittedly Alistair did get the most content out of all the companions because he was so plot heavy, DG said that he wouldn't be doing another companion/LI that was as plot heavy as Alistair was because he felt that it too the attention away from the protagonist. I personally didn't think it did at all, I'd love for all the companions to bethat plot heavy tbh.

You never know, maybe they will all be plot relevant this time if the survey leaks description is anything to go by. If it is then in theory the companions will probably all be part of factions that will be of use to the protagonist for his/her Inquisitory stuff.

I always scratch me head regarding that comment of DG's; what was wrong with Alistair being such a great character? The only thing that ever bothers me about it is that the other romances (especially Zevran and Leliana) basically suck in comparison. It's all about "ALISTAIR AND THE WARDEN!!!! <3" and maybe a little bit "The Warden and Morrigan! <3" since she has the Dark Ritual. 

It happened again to some degree in DA2, with Anders and Isabela being significant to the plot; however, Fenris manages to win as far as having the most in depth and complete romance. 

[CuriousArtemis]

rapscallioness wrote...

Oh! And body language. Non verbal clues as to how they may feel abt you would be really cool.

A lingering gaze. The cheesy both of you reaching for the same thing and touching hands. The quiet moment shared...ah...

Oh, I had this reply box open for awhile and forgot about it 

While I do like romance and I'd love to see the romance aspect only deepened further (not as in "Let's just call this DA: Dating Sim" but just paying more attention to character expression and dialogue, etc.), I would hope the writers leave out anythign remotely cheesy or cliche. 

When it comes to romance, I like to see it told in a NEW and FRESH way, you know? Probably why I get very tired of het romances and prefer to play/write same sex romance.

[LolaLei]

neonmoth wrote...

I like different pacing of romances that is somewhat determined by their personality. I would like to tie the progress to main campaign (with flexi bits in between) but to differentiate it between characters, add more dynamics. I wouldn't want the sexy time to be the culmination of the relationship (a la ME). 

That would be cool! Like, if you're romancing a companion that is more open to the prospect of sex early on (like Isabela) then it wouldn't be unreasonable to see the sexual aspect of the relationship to occur sooner than someone like, say, Alistair who wants to wait until he's sure and the timings right.

I'm also hoping that the sexytime scenes themselve will be more tailored to each individual LI too. In DA2 I was kinda expecting Isabela's scene to happen wherever they landed, or even outside somewhere, and Anders' one to occur in the Chantry right under a statue of Andraste as an FU towards the people responsible for repressing mages LOL. I also think that the scenes should be tailored to the class your protagonist is. For example, if he/she is a rogue then maybe daggers would be used to rip open the LI's corset/shirt/straps/whatever, or if you're a mage then perhaps you'd see the magic flowing over their bodies etc.

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...
Yeah, Merrill's plays out the same as the others. With DA:O I found that the other companions would still make comments about the romance between the Warden and other companions beyond Alistair. Although, admittedly Alistair did get the most content out of all the companions because he was so plot heavy, DG said that he wouldn't be doing another companion/LI that was as plot heavy as Alistair was because he felt that it too the attention away from the protagonist. I personally didn't think it did at all, I'd love for all the companions to bethat plot heavy tbh.

You never know, maybe they will all be plot relevant this time if the survey leaks description is anything to go by. If it is then in theory the companions will probably all be part of factions that will be of use to the protagonist for his/her Inquisitory stuff.

I would love them to be plot heavy, it feel more organic and somehow has greater impact (a la Alistair/Anders) imo. Even though my canon romance in DA2 is Fen, the role that Anders play in the main plot just adds this extra punch (in a gut).

[neonmoth]

motomotogirl wrote...
I always scratch me head regarding that comment of DG's; what was wrong with Alistair being such a great character? The only thing that ever bothers me about it is that the other romances (especially Zevran and Leliana) basically suck in comparison. It's all about "ALISTAIR AND THE WARDEN!!!! <3" and maybe a little bit "The Warden and Morrigan! <3" since she has the Dark Ritual. 

It happened again to some degree in DA2, with Anders and Isabela being significant to the plot; however, Fenris manages to win as far as having the most in depth and complete romance.

This very much. I played all romances in the DAO, but whenever I try to think about my character 'picking' one, Alistair's story arch is so good (regardless of my character preferences). When it comes to DA2, I don't know. I just love Fen and his romance is definitely well constructed, but somehow I feel that Anders' leaves this extra umph, especially with dies/lives decision.

Edit: cause I write gibberish...

Modifié par neonmoth, 01 juin 2013 - 10:01 .

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Oh! And body language. Non verbal clues as to how they may feel abt you would be really cool.

A lingering gaze. The cheesy both of you reaching for the same thing and touching hands. The quiet moment shared...ah...

Oh, I had this reply box open for awhile and forgot about it 

While I do like romance and I'd love to see the romance aspect only deepened further (not as in "Let's just call this DA: Dating Sim" but just paying more attention to character expression and dialogue, etc.), I would hope the writers leave out anythign remotely cheesy or cliche. 

When it comes to romance, I like to see it told in a NEW and FRESH way, you know? Probably why I get very tired of het romances and prefer to play/write same sex romance.

Yeah, I feel like both DA games fell short of the subtle "little things" when it came to any sort of companion interaction. In DA:O I think it was probably too difficult to implement without taking up too much time, but DA2 I think could've pulled it off easier since facially they were all very animated, so it wouldn't have taken much to have, say, Fenris looking regretful and sad shortly after he breaks things off with Hawke for a few scenes during quests and stuff.

I'd also like to see banter turn into actual scenes, like that YouTube video I linked in here yesterday that way it would be easy for the protagonist to take part in some of them, and subsequently see body language and facial expressions change to suit the topic of conversation, especially during anything romance related.

[LolaLei]

neonmoth wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...
I always scratch me head regarding that comment of DG's; what was wrong with Alistair being such a great character? The only thing that ever bothers me about it is that the other romances (especially Zevran and Leliana) basically suck in comparison. It's all about "ALISTAIR AND THE WARDEN!!!! <3" and maybe a little bit "The Warden and Morrigan! <3" since she has the Dark Ritual. 

It happened again to some degree in DA2, with Anders and Isabela being significant to the plot; however, Fenris manages to win as far as having the most in depth and complete romance.

This very much. I played all romances in the DAO, but whenever I try to think about my character 'picking' one, Alistair's story arch is so good (regardless of my character preferences). When it comes to DA2, I don't know. I just love Fen and his romance is definitely weel constructed, but somehow I feel that Anders' leaves thins extra umph, especially with dies/lives decision.

So far my canon Warden and Hawke have romanced both plot heavy companions in both games (Alistair and Anders), it wasn't intentional but it certainly adds to an extra kick in the teeth when the big "surprise" happens.

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...
I'm also hoping that the sexytime scenes themselve will be more tailored to each individual LI too. In DA2 I was kinda expecting Isabela's scene to happen wherever they landed, or even outside somewhere, and Anders' one to occur in the Chantry right under a statue of Andraste as an FU towards the people responsible for repressing mages LOL.

I like that, this would make them feel more organic with characters' personalities. I don't even want lots of content, just to make it all special. Sometimes a gesture, or a little comment. That's what I actually liked in ME3 that there were those little moments that were showing relationship between characters without making a love scene.

[LolaLei]

neonmoth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
I'm also hoping that the sexytime scenes themselve will be more tailored to each individual LI too. In DA2 I was kinda expecting Isabela's scene to happen wherever they landed, or even outside somewhere, and Anders' one to occur in the Chantry right under a statue of Andraste as an FU towards the people responsible for repressing mages LOL.

I like that, this would make them feel more organic with characters' personalities. I don't even want lots of content, just to make it all special. Sometimes a gesture, or a little comment. That's what I actually liked in ME3 that there were those little moments that were showing relationship between characters without making a love scene.

The build up to the sex itself is what I'd prefer to see, like they did in ME3 where the LI would show up, chat a bit, have a little intimate/sweet moment and then they'd start kissing/getting gropey then fade to black/pan off into the distance, then bring it back in with the "afterglow".

I wonder what kind of scene would work for Cullen?

[LolaLei]

This sounds promising:

Alistair McNally: "#BioWare #DA3 #E3 We have something wonderful to show you. Can't wait."

I reckon there's gonna be more going on than just a trailer.

Modifié par LolaLei, 01 juin 2013 - 10:08 .

[rapscallioness]

motomotogirl wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

I'd like the romances to be paced like DAO. There was lots of convo first before the romantic stuff started blooming. I liked that. Even the companion banter abt it before anything was...consumated. The whole, "oh, you like her, don't you?" thing.

But really I hope there is content after consumation. Seriously, in DA2 once you banged them...they didn't have too much else to say. Perhaps consumation closer to the end of the game would be good.

This is interesting because I am finding that this kind of criticism is really based on which characters you romanced. 

In DA:O I have to assume that all of the banter from other characters regarding who you romanced came from the Alistair romance; I don't recall much of this at all with Zevran. Zevran once references that he likes a strong pair of hands, and this is supposed to be in reference to the Warden (there is a female version, too, of course). But it's vague.

In DA2, if you romanced Anders, his romance does pretty much drop off by Act 3. However, if you romanced Fenris, things actually heat up and come to an emotional head by Act 3 (plus you have that wonderful Gallows kiss... which you don't have with Anders.)

So, yeah 

Yeah, I've only romanced Alistair in DAO. I've tried others, but alas.....I just can't resist him. Lol.

I haven't romanced Fenris, but even as just a friend I felt he provided more backstory than Anders did. Maybe they thought cuz of DAA that alot of backstory wasn't needed. I just felt like I got to know Fenris better than Anders...and I was romancing Anders. So...yeah.

I never understood the lack of Gallows Kiss w/ Anders. Then I dumped him at the gallows in one PT and he wasn't too broken up abt it. It all made me wonder if Anders had not just been using Hawke the whole time. The way he wants he wants to move in to escape the Templars.

All of it made me doubt him.

Ah, but point is, I would like to see a more even handed approach to the diff romances. It seems they have the go to romances. Almost canon romances, and the others don't get the same attn, if you will.

[rapscallioness]

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Oh! And body language. Non verbal clues as to how they may feel abt you would be really cool.

A lingering gaze. The cheesy both of you reaching for the same thing and touching hands. The quiet moment shared...ah...

But I don't wanna over hope for that kinda thing. They got more important things to do, and places to allocate their resources.

It would be nice, tho.

I don't see it as being completely unlikely. I mean, if they're putting ridiculous amounts of details into their eyelashes and stuff, then it's plausible that they might put the same amount of detail in character interaction and the way in which each character go about physical movements and interactions with the protagonist/the world around them etc.

...eyelashes are so important. Who knew? I hope they get the eyelashes right. Sincerely, I wish this.

Well, I don't wanna hope and then be disappointed abt everything else. We'll see. Hopefully I am pleasantly surprised and squee like a school girl.

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...
The build up to the sex itself is what I'd prefer to see, like they did in ME3 where the LI would show up, chat a bit, have a little intimate/sweet moment and then they'd start kissing/getting gropey then fade to black/pan off into the distance, then bring it back in with the "afterglow".

I wonder what kind of scene would work for Cullen?

Now when I think about it, my favourite part of romance with Kaidan (this is my Shep's canon) was in the first mission to Mars, since I was literally dying to see how they would relate to each other after all the ME2 mess. And the little comments, meaningful looks and Shep getting flirty and touchy with him was great. And all that really without dedicated love scene per se.

As for Cullen... Generally I could imagine him giving the looks, probably a bit quizzical, when he doesn't know how to exactly feel about the situation and the pc. I would see very careful flirting, maybe him shifting between romantic-ish talk and friendly, when he regains composure and tries to be more professional. For the main sexy scene, my imagination fails me   I need to think...

Modifié par neonmoth, 01 juin 2013 - 10:34 .

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...

This sounds promising:

Alistair McNally: "#BioWare #DA3 #E3 We have something wonderful to show you. Can't wait."

I reckon there's gonna be more going on than just a trailer.

:O:O:O:O:O