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[R2s Muse]

vieralynn wrote...

For something else that hasn't been seen here, thighhighdalish is an amazing artist and she's been creating steampunk versions of the DA characters.

This is steampunk Cullen!

(My favorite piece of thighhigh's Cullen art will probably break terms of agreement here... but you can find all of her many, many, many Cullens in various stages of progress on her cullen tag. If you click back through her pages of Cullen art, there are some amazing Cullen/Dalish pics)

Ah, her's are so pretty. I still just love the detail on that, with the little swords of mercy.

[LolaLei]

vieralynn wrote...

For something else that hasn't been seen here, thighhighdalish is an amazing artist and she's been creating steampunk versions of the DA characters.

This is steampunk Cullen!

(My favorite piece of thighhigh's Cullen art will probably break terms of agreement here... but you can find all of her many, many, many Cullens in various stages of progress on her cullen tag. If you click back through her pages of Cullen art, there are some amazing Cullen/Dalish pics)

AMAZING STUFF! Omg, how cool would it be if Bioware made a game set in a steampunk setting! <3

[MissRedZelda]

(Shrugs) Distantly related perhaps then? I'm just saying that for the sake of adding some drama into the game and romance plots. Plus, I doubt DA3 Surana/Amell would be aware of that fact, and would wonder why Cullen is so reluctant to get into a relationship with her (or him, they add the whole bi thing in DA3 like in DA2).

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Plus I miss our companions giving you a right royal bollocking if they hated you, I remember watching Alistair's reactions to you if he hates you on YouTube and omg it was so harsh! With the whole rivalry thing in DA2 we didn't get that because they still wanted to get in your pants, it also made them too easy to pursue romantically, which cheapened things for me.

You know I'm of two minds on this, and so I can see what they were going for with the rivalmance. So, given that you watched hater!Alistair on youtube... I'm going to guess that you probably also never really went there in game, just like me! I would never do anything to get disapproval points, or whatever they were called in DA:O. With anyone! Like a good adolescent, I wanted everyone to like me and was worried that someone would leave and unbalance my party. LOL So, with rivalmance, at least you got to explore the "agree to disagree" aspect a bit, since otherwise I would never go there. But... in terms of romance, I'd still rather they kept it more logical and "friendly." So, now having seen it both ways... and how I still had to metagame in DA2 to get what I wanted, I'd probably rather go back to the DA:O way as well.

[vieralynn]

I would be crazy happy if bioware made a steampunk game.

Until then, I'll just mentally toy with the sword of mercy cravat pin on this delicious steampunk templar.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

vieralynn wrote...

For something else that hasn't been seen here, thighhighdalish is an amazing artist and she's been creating steampunk versions of the DA characters.

This is steampunk Cullen!

(My favorite piece of thighhigh's Cullen art will probably break terms of agreement here... but you can find all of her many, many, many Cullens in various stages of progress on her cullen tag. If you click back through her pages of Cullen art, there are some amazing Cullen/Dalish pics)

AMAZING STUFF! Omg, how cool would it be if Bioware made a game set in a steampunk setting! <3

LOL Has anyone else watched the Guild and all the fun they poke at steampunk cosplayers? Sort of like they're the snooty wanna be literati of the cosplay scene. I can't help but think of that now whenever I see steampunk.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I got the impression that he'd made his peace with the whole Amell/Surana thing by the time we hit Act 2, so by the time DA3 happens he should be more than ready to become infatuated with the new protagonist lol. I just hope that he becomes equally as enthralled with our new character (preferably more enthralled than he was with the Warden) because I'd love for him to find a like minded person who will be as into him as he is with them.

That's my impression as well. I think I'm also just personally over Amell/Surana. LOL It was a crush. It was character building. It is over.

Agreed. Plus as much as I loved the cute little Cullen/Amell encounter in the Circle Tower, my Warden's heart belongs solely to Alistair. And, y'know, I really don't think Amell/Surana our the right women for Cullen (at least not back when they were younger anyway) it would have more than likely ended in disaster even if Templar and Mages could date, simply because he was far too naive and immature. Now that he has a bit of life experience I think DA3 will be the perfect time for him to finally pursue a proper, loving relationship with someone that will keep him balanced.

[R2s Muse]

vieralynn wrote...

I would be crazy happy if bioware made a steampunk game.

Until then, I'll just mentally toy with the sword of mercy cravat pin on this delicious steampunk templar.

LMAO, oh dear, the image that just conjured. OH BEHAVE! 

[R2s Muse]

MissRedZelda wrote...

(Shrugs) Distantly related perhaps then? I'm just saying that for the sake of adding some drama into the game and romance plots. Plus, I doubt DA3 Surana/Amell would be aware of that fact, and would wonder why Cullen is so reluctant to get into a relationship with her (or him, they add the whole bi thing in DA3 like in DA2).

I suppose it would add an interesting layer to the mythology if there was "something" about the Amells. Sorta like how there was "something" about Hawke's blood in Legacy. But, even a mention, I suppose would be sorta like a cameo, right? And, those are always fun...

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Plus I miss our companions giving you a right royal bollocking if they hated you, I remember watching Alistair's reactions to you if he hates you on YouTube and omg it was so harsh! With the whole rivalry thing in DA2 we didn't get that because they still wanted to get in your pants, it also made them too easy to pursue romantically, which cheapened things for me.

You know I'm of two minds on this, and so I can see what they were going for with the rivalmance. So, given that you watched hater!Alistair on youtube... I'm going to guess that you probably also never really went there in game, just like me! I would never do anything to get disapproval points, or whatever they were called in DA:O. With anyone! Like a good adolescent, I wanted everyone to like me and was worried that someone would leave and unbalance my party. LOL So, with rivalmance, at least you got to explore the "agree to disagree" aspect a bit, since otherwise I would never go there. But... in terms of romance, I'd still rather they kept it more logical and "friendly." So, now having seen it both ways... and how I still had to metagame in DA2 to get what I wanted, I'd probably rather go back to the DA:O way as well.

LOL! I'm glad it's not just me that didn't want to upset any of them! I'd resort to plying them with gifts to keep their approval ratings up.

Did you find the romances in DA2 felt cheap?

[vieralynn]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Plus I miss our companions giving you a right royal bollocking if they hated you, I remember watching Alistair's reactions to you if he hates you on YouTube and omg it was so harsh! With the whole rivalry thing in DA2 we didn't get that because they still wanted to get in your pants, it also made them too easy to pursue romantically, which cheapened things for me.

You know I'm of two minds on this, and so I can see what they were going for with the rivalmance. So, given that you watched hater!Alistair on youtube... I'm going to guess that you probably also never really went there in game, just like me! I would never do anything to get disapproval points, or whatever they were called in DA:O. With anyone! Like a good adolescent, I wanted everyone to like me and was worried that someone would leave and unbalance my party. LOL So, with rivalmance, at least you got to explore the "agree to disagree" aspect a bit, since otherwise I would never go there. But... in terms of romance, I'd still rather they kept it more logical and "friendly." So, now having seen it both ways... and how I still had to metagame in DA2 to get what I wanted, I'd probably rather go back to the DA:O way as well.

What I really like about the rivalry/rivalmance is the idea that Hawke and companion respect each other but not only do they disagree on the companions major cause, Hawke has the chance to change them for the better and help the companion see how they hurting themselves or others.

The Anders rivalmance was so much more fulfilling to me, except it requires massive meta-gaming for a mage-supporting Hawke or doing a flat-out pro-templar run. That part sort of bugs me because my canon Hawke's 100% friendship with Anders became fixed that way and after the bit with Ella during Anders' quest in Act 2, I wanted to rival him while still keeping my pro-mage stance.

The Merrill rivalmance is also really nice and far more interesting to me than the friendmance because she gets to see how her obsession over the mirror is creating problems rather than helping the Dalish.

But, I agree about the anger/hate part. I did an Alistair hate run with my evil bastard warden and it was far too much fun.

[vieralynn]

R2s Muse wrote...

vieralynn wrote...

I would be crazy happy if bioware made a steampunk game.

Until then, I'll just mentally toy with the sword of mercy cravat pin on this delicious steampunk templar.

LMAO, oh dear, the image that just conjured. OH BEHAVE! 

Plus there are all of those buttons and buckles on steampunk Cullen... So many buttons. Quite a few buckles. Hmmmm........


EDITED TO ADD: I'm off for a while and while out and about I will now have a s**t-eating grin on my face due to this conversation.   

Modifié par vieralynn, 16 juin 2012 - 03:06 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

vieralynn wrote...

I would be crazy happy if bioware made a steampunk game.

Until then, I'll just mentally toy with the sword of mercy cravat pin on this delicious steampunk templar.

LMAO, oh dear, the image that just conjured. OH BEHAVE! 

Better than saying she wants to play with his "little tin knight" !

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I got the impression that he'd made his peace with the whole Amell/Surana thing by the time we hit Act 2, so by the time DA3 happens he should be more than ready to become infatuated with the new protagonist lol. I just hope that he becomes equally as enthralled with our new character (preferably more enthralled than he was with the Warden) because I'd love for him to find a like minded person who will be as into him as he is with them.

That's my impression as well. I think I'm also just personally over Amell/Surana. LOL It was a crush. It was character building. It is over.

Agreed. Plus as much as I loved the cute little Cullen/Amell encounter in the Circle Tower, my Warden's heart belongs solely to Alistair. And, y'know, I really don't think Amell/Surana our the right women for Cullen (at least not back when they were younger anyway) it would have more than likely ended in disaster even if Templar and Mages could date, simply because he was far too naive and immature. Now that he has a bit of life experience I think DA3 will be the perfect time for him to finally pursue a proper, loving relationship with someone that will keep him balanced.

Agree. Although, now that he's all experienced, his best chance for DA3 is probably going to be some twenty something ingenue. LOL  If they go there, I hope they make that work. That they complement each other in some way, so it makes sense.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I got the impression that he'd made his peace with the whole Amell/Surana thing by the time we hit Act 2, so by the time DA3 happens he should be more than ready to become infatuated with the new protagonist lol. I just hope that he becomes equally as enthralled with our new character (preferably more enthralled than he was with the Warden) because I'd love for him to find a like minded person who will be as into him as he is with them.

That's my impression as well. I think I'm also just personally over Amell/Surana. LOL It was a crush. It was character building. It is over.

Agreed. Plus as much as I loved the cute little Cullen/Amell encounter in the Circle Tower, my Warden's heart belongs solely to Alistair. And, y'know, I really don't think Amell/Surana our the right women for Cullen (at least not back when they were younger anyway) it would have more than likely ended in disaster even if Templar and Mages could date, simply because he was far too naive and immature. Now that he has a bit of life experience I think DA3 will be the perfect time for him to finally pursue a proper, loving relationship with someone that will keep him balanced.

Agree. Although, now that he's all experienced, his best chance for DA3 is probably going to be some twenty something ingenue. LOL  If they go there, I hope they make that work. That they complement each other in some way, so it makes sense.

I think that could work well.

He could help teach her how to look after herself and maybe not be so reckless (due to her youth) and she could teach him not to take life so seriously and lighten up a little. I could imagine him secretly being in awe of her youthful, wild/free nature and bold attitude (which I like to think would be initally what caught his eye.) I think he'd find joy and purpose in looking out for her, even if she's quite capable of looking after herself (especially if he's the kind of man who would cherish his love as if it was something fragile) so he'd get to play the knight in shining armor, which is what he always wanted to be and find a new purpose to fight for and get laid in the process. Win!

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Plus I miss our companions giving you a right royal bollocking if they hated you, I remember watching Alistair's reactions to you if he hates you on YouTube and omg it was so harsh! With the whole rivalry thing in DA2 we didn't get that because they still wanted to get in your pants, it also made them too easy to pursue romantically, which cheapened things for me.

You know I'm of two minds on this, and so I can see what they were going for with the rivalmance. So, given that you watched hater!Alistair on youtube... I'm going to guess that you probably also never really went there in game, just like me! I would never do anything to get disapproval points, or whatever they were called in DA:O. With anyone! Like a good adolescent, I wanted everyone to like me and was worried that someone would leave and unbalance my party. LOL So, with rivalmance, at least you got to explore the "agree to disagree" aspect a bit, since otherwise I would never go there. But... in terms of romance, I'd still rather they kept it more logical and "friendly." So, now having seen it both ways... and how I still had to metagame in DA2 to get what I wanted, I'd probably rather go back to the DA:O way as well.

LOL! I'm glad it's not just me that didn't want to upset any of them! I'd resort to plying them with gifts to keep their approval ratings up.

Did you find the romances in DA2 felt cheap?

LMAO, you mean cheap in the sense that I didn't have to buy their love this time with gifts?!? Bwahahahahaha! :lol: In that sense, yes,. they did cost less.

But... I dunno, my only real comparison for the DA2 romances is Alistair, which as you've said, was well nigh perfect. To be honest, I've never been able to finish DA:O with any one else. The closest I got was with Morrigan. I tried SO HARD to like her so I could get the romance triggered options in Witch Hunt, but I just freaking hated her as a romance. I was so baffled... I never knew what to say. I kept saying sexist things to myself like, "So, is this why guys think women are hard to understand? Because I TOTALLY don't get her or what she wants or what she wants me to say." Even metagaming for a better response didn't reveal any patterns to me. :shrug: Anyway, Morrigan rant, done. Incidentally, I loved her as my BFF... but girlfriend. Ugh.

But now that I look at DA2 in retrospect, the romance did seem to built around big, pivotal romance milestones instead of the little things. Anders has apparently been fighting off my affections, without my knowledge *ahem*, and then, bam, sexy time, and bam, living together. The end.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 16 juin 2012 - 03:19 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

He could help teach her how to look after herself and maybe not be so reckless (due to her youth) and she could teach him not to take life so seriously and lighten up a little. I could imagine him secretly being in awe of her youthful, wild/free nature and bold attitude (which I like to think would be initally what caught his eye.) I think he'd find joy and purpose in looking out for her, even if she's quite capable of looking after herself (especially if he's the kind of man who would cherish his love as if it was something fragile) so he'd get to play the knight in shining armor, which is what he always wanted to be and find a new purpose to fight for and get laid in the process. Win!

Love it! Gets my vote!

[MissRedZelda]

LolaLei wrote...

Agreed. Plus as much as I loved the cute little Cullen/Amell encounter in the Circle Tower, my Warden's heart belongs solely to Alistair. And, y'know, I really don't think Amell/Surana our the right women for Cullen (at least not back when they were younger anyway) it would have more than likely ended in disaster even if Templar and Mages could date, simply because he was far too naive and immature. Now that he has a bit of life experience I think DA3 will be the perfect time for him to finally pursue a proper, loving relationship with someone that will keep him balanced.

It seems that at the end of DA2, the Order and Chantry are falling apart. I predict that by the end of DA3, things would have changed, and the Order won't be a strict towards Mages anymore. Mages will finally be able to inherit titles (Elves and Dawves too), and may be accepted among society from now on.

. . . Ok, so I'm totally hoping and hypothesising because I want King Alistair to marry my Amell Mage without the Chantry throwing a hissy fit.

[R2s Muse]

vieralynn wrote...


What I really like about the rivalry/rivalmance is the idea that Hawke and companion respect each other but not only do they disagree on the companions major cause, Hawke has the chance to change them for the better and help the companion see how they hurting themselves or others.

I do like this part. In a way, it's like the hardening process of DA:O, but sustained and more realistic. So, that would be nice to keep.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 16 juin 2012 - 03:31 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

He could help teach her how to look after herself and maybe not be so reckless (due to her youth) and she could teach him not to take life so seriously and lighten up a little. I could imagine him secretly being in awe of her youthful, wild/free nature and bold attitude (which I like to think would be initally what caught his eye.) I think he'd find joy and purpose in looking out for her, even if she's quite capable of looking after herself (especially if he's the kind of man who would cherish his love as if it was something fragile) so he'd get to play the knight in shining armor, which is what he always wanted to be and find a new purpose to fight for and get laid in the process. Win!

Love it! Gets my vote!

Oh course, that's if you choose to play your protagonist this way, it may not have the same effect if you decide to make your character look 85 LOL!

But yeah, a protagonist like that would compliment Cullen's personality perfectly because he's a thinker and she's a do'er. It would work even better if you played as a Mage because he would then feel that he has a duty to protect her not only from general harm, but also from herself, other Templars and the possibility of demon posession. I could see him worrying about her safety a lot, perhaps even bringing it up in conversation during the romantic pursuit that he worries about her, to which our character would shrug it off with a choice of options, his reply being "I couldn't live with myself if anything bad happened to you" *que much squeeing.*

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 juin 2012 - 03:29 .

[R2s Muse]

MissRedZelda wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Agreed. Plus as much as I loved the cute little Cullen/Amell encounter in the Circle Tower, my Warden's heart belongs solely to Alistair. And, y'know, I really don't think Amell/Surana our the right women for Cullen (at least not back when they were younger anyway) it would have more than likely ended in disaster even if Templar and Mages could date, simply because he was far too naive and immature. Now that he has a bit of life experience I think DA3 will be the perfect time for him to finally pursue a proper, loving relationship with someone that will keep him balanced.

It seems that at the end of DA2, the Order and Chantry are falling apart. I predict that by the end of DA3, things would have changed, and the Order won't be a strict towards Mages anymore. Mages will finally be able to inherit titles (Elves and Dawves too), and may be accepted among society from now on.

. . . Ok, so I'm totally hoping and hypothesising because I want King Alistair to marry my Amell Mage without the Chantry throwing a hissy fit.

I think you're right that something has to change. I hope that DA3 makes that change happen, and whatever the change is, the  system for mages  has to be radically different at the end.

[MissRedZelda]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

He could help teach her how to look after herself and maybe not be so reckless (due to her youth) and she could teach him not to take life so seriously and lighten up a little. I could imagine him secretly being in awe of her youthful, wild/free nature and bold attitude (which I like to think would be initally what caught his eye.) I think he'd find joy and purpose in looking out for her, even if she's quite capable of looking after herself (especially if he's the kind of man who would cherish his love as if it was something fragile) so he'd get to play the knight in shining armor, which is what he always wanted to be and find a new purpose to fight for and get laid in the process. Win!

Love it! Gets my vote!

Oh course, that's if you choose to play your protagonist this way, it may not have the same effect if you decide to make your character look 85 LOL!

But yeah, a protagonist like that would compliment Cullen's personality perfectly because he's a thinker and she's a do'er. It would work even better if you played as a Mage because he would then feel that he has a duty to protect her not only from general harm, but also from herself, other Templars and the possibility of demon posession. I could see him worrying about her safety a lot, perhaps even bringing it up in conversation during the romantic pursuit that he worries about her, to which our character would shrug it off with a choice of options, his reply being "I couldn't live with myself if anything bad happened to you" *que much squeeing.*

Here. Take ALLLLL my Internets. 

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

Here. Take ALLLLL my Internets. 

*Takes a bow*

[brushyourteeth]

vieralynn wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Plus I miss our companions giving you a right royal bollocking if they hated you, I remember watching Alistair's reactions to you if he hates you on YouTube and omg it was so harsh! With the whole rivalry thing in DA2 we didn't get that because they still wanted to get in your pants, it also made them too easy to pursue romantically, which cheapened things for me.

You know I'm of two minds on this, and so I can see what they were going for with the rivalmance. So, given that you watched hater!Alistair on youtube... I'm going to guess that you probably also never really went there in game, just like me! I would never do anything to get disapproval points, or whatever they were called in DA:O. With anyone! Like a good adolescent, I wanted everyone to like me and was worried that someone would leave and unbalance my party. LOL So, with rivalmance, at least you got to explore the "agree to disagree" aspect a bit, since otherwise I would never go there. But... in terms of romance, I'd still rather they kept it more logical and "friendly." So, now having seen it both ways... and how I still had to metagame in DA2 to get what I wanted, I'd probably rather go back to the DA:O way as well.

What I really like about the rivalry/rivalmance is the idea that Hawke and companion respect each other but not only do they disagree on the companions major cause, Hawke has the chance to change them for the better and help the companion see how they hurting themselves or others.

The Anders rivalmance was so much more fulfilling to me, except it requires massive meta-gaming for a mage-supporting Hawke or doing a flat-out pro-templar run. That part sort of bugs me because my canon Hawke's 100% friendship with Anders became fixed that way and after the bit with Ella during Anders' quest in Act 2, I wanted to rival him while still keeping my pro-mage stance.

The Merrill rivalmance is also really nice and far more interesting to me than the friendmance because she gets to see how her obsession over the mirror is creating problems rather than helping the Dalish.

But, I agree about the anger/hate part. I did an Alistair hate run with my evil bastard warden and it was far too much fun.

Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying -- and I think the most frustrating part of that for me was what you kind of touched on, which is that you still couldn't really have a character that was three-dimensional on their views/personality. You couldn't be anti-blood mage or anti-apostate without being all-out anti-mage. And even when you did rival someone, they still basically were mad at you for disagreeing with them. It was fundamentally the same opinion of you but just a different outcome (often "you are so sexy"). IRL I could be like "vieralynn, I think you're amazing but I hate steampunk with the fire of a thousand suns. We're cool though." the rivarly system wasn't at all like that. They were forever trying to change your mind, with the exception of Isabela, who I thought it worked for best.

DG has said that he misses the old days where you could walk up to Morrigan and say "You know what? You're a cold b****." I kind of miss that too.

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

vieralynn wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Plus I miss our companions giving you a right royal bollocking if they hated you, I remember watching Alistair's reactions to you if he hates you on YouTube and omg it was so harsh! With the whole rivalry thing in DA2 we didn't get that because they still wanted to get in your pants, it also made them too easy to pursue romantically, which cheapened things for me.

You know I'm of two minds on this, and so I can see what they were going for with the rivalmance. So, given that you watched hater!Alistair on youtube... I'm going to guess that you probably also never really went there in game, just like me! I would never do anything to get disapproval points, or whatever they were called in DA:O. With anyone! Like a good adolescent, I wanted everyone to like me and was worried that someone would leave and unbalance my party. LOL So, with rivalmance, at least you got to explore the "agree to disagree" aspect a bit, since otherwise I would never go there. But... in terms of romance, I'd still rather they kept it more logical and "friendly." So, now having seen it both ways... and how I still had to metagame in DA2 to get what I wanted, I'd probably rather go back to the DA:O way as well.

What I really like about the rivalry/rivalmance is the idea that Hawke and companion respect each other but not only do they disagree on the companions major cause, Hawke has the chance to change them for the better and help the companion see how they hurting themselves or others.

The Anders rivalmance was so much more fulfilling to me, except it requires massive meta-gaming for a mage-supporting Hawke or doing a flat-out pro-templar run. That part sort of bugs me because my canon Hawke's 100% friendship with Anders became fixed that way and after the bit with Ella during Anders' quest in Act 2, I wanted to rival him while still keeping my pro-mage stance.

The Merrill rivalmance is also really nice and far more interesting to me than the friendmance because she gets to see how her obsession over the mirror is creating problems rather than helping the Dalish.

But, I agree about the anger/hate part. I did an Alistair hate run with my evil bastard warden and it was far too much fun.

Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying -- and I think the most frustrating part of that for me was what you kind of touched on, which is that you still couldn't really have a character that was three-dimensional on their views/personality. You couldn't be anti-blood mage or anti-apostate without being all-out anti-mage. And even when you did rival someone, they still basically were mad at you for disagreeing with them. It was fundamentally the same opinion of you but just a different outcome (often "you are so sexy"). IRL I could be like "vieralynn, I think you're amazing but I hate steampunk with the fire of a thousand suns. We're cool though." the rivarly system wasn't at all like that. They were forever trying to change your mind, with the exception of Isabela, who I thought it worked for best.

DG has said that he misses the old days where you could walk up to Morrigan and say "You know what? You're a cold b****." I kind of miss that too.

Yeah that annoyed me too. Maybe they could reintroduce the friendship/rivalry thing but remove the romances from being attached to it, so that they can dislike you but respect without still wanting to get in your pants lol.