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[Reznore57]

WOw , R2!
Yes I think it's the abyssal rift from Asunder .
There's a warden tower over there ....and now what seems like a battering ram...

Why the seeker/warden/mages/templars are all freaking fighting in Orlais....
There's also a bunch of boats just outside the card coming from the east, there's also some small catapult...
They are not fighting demons that's for sure.

[R2s Muse]

Reznore57 wrote...

WOw , R2!
Yes I think it's the abyssal rift from Asunder .
There's a warden tower over there ....and now what seems like a battering ram...

Why the seeker/warden/mages/templars are all freaking fighting in Orlais....
There's also a bunch of boats just outside the card coming from the east, there's also some small catapult...
They are not fighting demons that's for sure.

Yes, you can see the abyssal reach on the map version. I think the other boats could just be in reserve, sitting next to the map, but who knows.

The dragonage.com summary says: Nations rise against one another.  It easily could be that everyone is at war with everyone. Orlais civil war, maybe another nation taking advantage of Orlais's chaos? Mages and templars  perhaps focused on fighting each other (but around Orlais, since that's where they started?). It almost suggests"someone" deliberately went in to Thedas and started pushing people's buttons to create the greatest amount of upheaval (i.e. the "agents of chaos"). Enter: the Inquisitor to save the day! Cool, cool stuff.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 juin 2013 - 01:27 .

[Reznore57]

Yeah but for the templar/mages , we know what happened ...we were there.

And Orlais has a civil war going on , well it can be solved in the book...but damn that's like a lot of wars in a very short time.
Orlais will crumble at the end of this.

And "Dragons now darken the sky" ....I mean it's like a huuuuge huuuuuge mess going on.Dragons are also back now!

[VampOrchid]

littlenikki wrote...

Chanda wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm not even sure they are all attacking each other, this could just be each faction responding to the veil tear. If you notice during the trailer those flashes of green light indicates that this is happening as the "fire falls from the skies". As Morrigan says none are free from it (or whatever her exact words were).

Those big flaming balls look like they're coming out of the sky (the veil rip). I'm kind of wondering if it won't be like the Warden's story in Origins where you have to rally the forces to defeat the darkspawn. Except this time it's nations, and it's veil rips and demons and stuff.

The "Our fragile alliances crumble to dust" line is what really presses the "sh*t is going down all over the place" issue for me. Especially with how sinister the Qunari looked in that scene. 

I'm thinking everyone is standing together, for the time being. After our char leads the battle against the veil, I'm thinking that's not the only rift we're going to have to fix. I guess it all depends on when we enter the game. If we enter just before the Mage/templar war. We'll probably be sent to squash that. So we'll probably have to gain forces for that. Maybe that's where Cullen comes in.

If we fix that, or we get there and there's bigger fish to fry...or if we enter the game just after that. We may find that we have to fight the veil and gain forces for that.

Then, 'the fragile alliances' may see an oportune time to strike their former enemies while their down so to speak. After the veil is dealt with, we may have that to deal with

[VampOrchid]

Here's something that just made me think...is it possible that Flemeth is Andraste?

[VampOrchid]

LolaLei wrote...

*Edit* I kinda feel like we are pretty much banished to the old abandoned DA2 forum to discuss Cullen sensibly since we can't open up an official Cullen fan thread in the main DA3 forum because it'll be in the wrong section and would get shut down, AND even if it wasn't shut down it would get flooded by haters, trolls and then turn into a mages vs templars thread, then promptly shut down anyway. Hell, we can't even make a thread about his possible inclusion or ask/answer legit questions involving him without them all attacking us.

That's what pisses me off. There's ppl who art his fan gals or dudes, but still ask legit questions about him and get bombarded by haters. I really don't get it. You don't see me going into every Izzy thread freaken out on the people there just cause I don't fussy her.

[R2s Muse]

Reznore57 wrote...

Yeah but for the templar/mages , we know what happened ...we were there.

And Orlais has a civil war going on , well it can be solved in the book...but damn that's like a lot of wars in a very short time.
Orlais will crumble at the end of this.

And "Dragons now darken the sky" ....I mean it's like a huuuuge huuuuuge mess going on.Dragons are also back now!

Um, but not really. We know how the mage-templar war started, but that's it. We have no idea what happened once the Nevarran Accord was broken. That's when the war started; at the end of Asunder, not during.

[neonmoth]

Lord Xendria wrote...

Here's that Order trailer if anyone didn't see it.

www.youtube.com/watch

This looks neat, thanks for the link. I love steampunkish environments, so I'm hoarding as many games with this theme as I can :]

[neonmoth]

R2s Muse wrote...

So here's my geeky contribution to the map analysis. I plotted the positions of the map markers on the real map, plus have close ups of the various markers. My current thought is:

Marker 1: Circle of Magi (circle symbol like heraldry); dwarves (sorta paragon-ish); qunari? (but seems odd direction)

Marker 2: Grey Wardens (up close, the fig wears the winged helmet); maybe: Chantry/Andraste? Tevinter?

Marker 3: Def Seeker symbol

Marker 4: No idea. Looks like a tower to me.

Also of interest...
1. No one is in Val Royeaux. So these are all forces nearby/closing in.
2. Whose batter ram in the Frostbacks? Or has it just not been placed yet?

(right click, view image, to see full size)


See also the actual map, with markup from myself and Avejaded.

Woah, R2, that looks very professional :]

That tower marker looks very poor in comparison with the other three, it is much smaller and without easily defined top. Looks a bit random and I have no idea what could it be. There must be some meaning to it though. I'm quite curious about the book with a skull :] It is all very confusing, I just wonder whether they already fight against each other or they are facing a common enemy and therefore are located strategically on the borders of Orlesian Empire.

[Reznore57]

I think the 4 th marker is templar , no?
The second looks like a warden insignia , like the bird like figure on the armor.
And I think I saw some dragons on the mages symbol , wierd.

[R2s Muse]

neonmoth wrote...

Woah, R2, that looks very professional :]

That tower marker looks very poor in comparison with the other three, it is much smaller and without easily defined top. Looks a bit random and I have no idea what could it be. There must be some meaning to it though. I'm quite curious about the book with a skull :] It is all very confusing, I just wonder whether they already fight against each other or they are facing a common enemy and therefore are located strategically on the borders of Orlesian Empire.

Hey thanks! I wouldn't put much store in Marker 4 being smaller, etc... I just don't have as clear a shot of it as the other three (the skull is blocking it in my close up).

I like the idea of being strategically placed for a common enemy! Hmmm...

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 juin 2013 - 02:23 .

[R2s Muse]

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the 4 th marker is templar , no?
The second looks like a warden insignia , like the bird like figure on the armor.
And I think I saw some dragons on the mages symbol , wierd.

4th marker could be templar... it sorta looks squared off at the top, like... shoulders..?  I really have no idea. Or could one of the factions be Duke Gaspard or whatever his name is, trying to overthrow Celene?

[neonmoth]

Hmm, maybe... I don't know... for me the 4th marker looks like it is associated with the book and the abyssal rift from asunder (whatever it means since I haven't read the book yet), so maybe all the bad that is coming is reflected in that pawn? Also the battering ram next to it seems facing opposite direction so maybe their direction of attack?

Another thing, the middle marker after enlarging it looks to me like a female with a winged helmet (and two arms, one on each side), that's why I thought about the empress. I know it could be the the symbol of grey wardens

but somehow it looks different to me :/ The wings have different shape.

Modifié par neonmoth, 12 juin 2013 - 02:31 .

[R2s Muse]

neonmoth wrote...

Hmm, maybe... I don't know... for me the 4th marker looks like it is associated with the book and the abyssal rift from asunder (whatever it is since I haven't read the book yet), so maybe all the bad that is coming is reflected in that pawn? Also the battering ram next to it seems facing opposite direction so maybe their direction of attack?

Another thing, the middle marker after enlarging it looks to me like a female with a winged helmet (and two arms, one on each side), that's why I thought about the empress. I know it could be the the symbol of grey wardens

but somehow it looks different to me :/

Yeah, I was thinking grey warden because of their winged helmets, like this dude in the trailer... It also looks a bit like the more stylized logo on the door there.

[Reznore57]

And what attack them , break in with a battering ram.
If the trailer is not a deceptive montage , they are attacked by Seekers.

[neonmoth]

R2s Muse wrote...

I get your point. It's my silly imagination that makes me see there a chick in a red-golden dress trying to balance gigantic helmet on her head, hence keeping her arms wide open Cannot unsee it. But you're right if anything those winged helmets from the trailer seem the most appropriate.

[R2s Muse]

Reznore57 wrote...

And what attack them , break in with a battering ram.
If the trailer is not a deceptive montage , they are attacked by Seekers.

Yeah, hard to say. From the map, everyone has battering rams. LOL If it's Weisshaupt... that's kinda far to travel. I dunno. I can't help but think the montage aspect is deceptive, particularly since the big warden fortress battle seems be include "fires from above" reigning down, ala from Veil rip. But then, why would demons have battering rams? :/

[neonmoth]

Reznore57 wrote...

And what attack them , break in with a battering ram.
If the trailer is not a deceptive montage , they are attacked by Seekers.

I must admit that it looks like the seekers are attacking wardens, since there is a catapult behind cassandra and the light looks appropriate. The earlier shots with the qunari (the one with the elven symbol) works as well with the night time, so what? Everybody is attacking wardens? Maybe they will be evil in this installment? Maybe they will want to make some sacrifices that other nations wouldn't agree on?

Also the way it is shown, the crack in the sky almost seems like the result of the battle going underneath. I'm trying to figure out how the battle could go (assuming it portrays one battle over period of time instead of different teams attacking the castle at different times), and I guess they would attack at night, then the sunny parts would be after some time of siege, they would use the battering rams. But then the ripping veil is confusing cause, if it's happening during the siege, would they continue it like nothing happened? I guess it can be a completely different time/place.

Edit: ok, it's not different time and place cause when the qunari turns, it looks like the crack with all the green flashes just appear. So They are attacking at the same time. Then it is weird, cause I would assume, that the sunlight sequences appear after the dark ones but I can't imagine them still fighting after the crack and all the demons appearing, hmmm.

Modifié par neonmoth, 12 juin 2013 - 03:33 .

[neonmoth]

R2s Muse wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

And what attack them , break in with a battering ram.
If the trailer is not a deceptive montage , they are attacked by Seekers.

Yeah, hard to say. From the map, everyone has battering rams. LOL If it's Weisshaupt... that's kinda far to travel. I dunno. I can't help but think the montage aspect is deceptive, particularly since the big warden fortress battle seems be include "fires from above" reigning down, ala from Veil rip. But then, why would demons have battering rams? :/

That's the point, Weisshaipt is not even on the map

[Lord Xendria]

I still think they were already fighting when the veil tore. I can't be quite sure, but when it shows Cassandra leading them into battle, didn't seem to be any green lights flickering on her until after showing that, and it showing her face looking up. Same with Varric after he knelt down to that body and then looked up. Possibly with the Qunari looking out into the distance, who also looks up and there's the flickering green.

It's like it was showing they were in the middle of sh!t, Cassandra in-fighting, Varric in aftermath of fighting, etc.. And then their various faces/reactions when the veil tears and they look up jointly.

I'm wondering if this "peace gathering" is even going to take place. If it starts off with fighting already and then further chaos, probably not, if that's what the trailer was showing. But if the trailer was just reiterating fighting -after- the veil tear and because of the tear, then there might of been a calm before the storm, and the gathering could of still taken place.

[R2s Muse]

Lord Xendria wrote...

I still think they were already fighting when the veil tore. I can't be quite sure, but when it shows Cassandra leading them into battle, didn't seem to be any green lights flickering on her until after showing that, and it showing her face looking up. Same with Varric after he knelt down to that body and then looked up. Possibly with the Qunari looking out into the distance, who also looks up and there's the flickering green.

It's like it was showing they were in the middle of sh!t, Cassandra in-fighting, Varric in aftermath of fighting, etc.. And then their various faces/reactions when the veil tears and they look up jointly.

I'm wondering if this "peace gathering" is even going to take place. If it starts off with fighting already and then further chaos, probably not, if that's what the trailer was showing. But if the trailer was just reiterating fighting -after- the veil tear and because of the tear, then there might of been a calm before the storm, and the gathering could of still taken place.

I was wondering if perhaps Varric is even standing over the remains of the peace gathering.

But yes, it could be that veil tear happens in the middle of all of that, causing everyone to have to set their probs aside.

[neonmoth]

Yeah, but the Varric bit is tricky since there are Darkspawn lying around...

Edit: forgot that maybe veil ripping would release not only hordes of demons but also darspawn

Modifié par neonmoth, 12 juin 2013 - 03:18 .

[Reznore57]

I wonder if the inquisition is not an order who dealt with veil tear in the past...
A counterpart to wardens , and they use dragon blood ...maybe the tearing cause mutations , there's a demons that looks like an human with red lyrium growing all over him.
And the dragon blood makes you immune and you can go near the veil with no harm.

It would be way too much like wardens , but the whole dragons and red all over the marketing ...

Modifié par Reznore57, 12 juin 2013 - 03:24 .

[Lord Xendria]

Unless they only showed Grey Warden things because that's where it'll all lead up to, when it's time to take care of the veil threats. But of course could of just been another fight instigated to cause more chaos to up the odds of tearing the veil.

But the Wardens were being so secretive in 2.. I hope whatever they were doing is addressed. I think it stands to reason that if the world is turning to sh!t, in-fighting, Mages vs. Templars, etc., then darkspawn threats probably get worse, too. Can't leave the Wardens in the dust with a lack of conflict if everyone's having conflict.

But this also makes me further question the likelihood of an Old God, in whichever way, being the cause of this.

Modifié par Lord Xendria, 12 juin 2013 - 03:28 .

[LolaLei]

Were they dark spawn though? They could've been demons around Varric's scene.