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#50526
SamaraDraven

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Thanks Lola. Thanks R2. After reading some of the others, I'm worried mine's too OOC and... hopeful? I guess after all the BS in the news and on Facebook and in life, I was in the mood to look on the bright side. hehehehe... I hope y'all like it.

Set after DA2 with a new mage protagonist, Anders' body was never found and he shows up much to Cullen's ire, who is only not trying to smite the mage because The Inquisitor said so. :D



Anders: “You know, glaring at me isn’t going to make me
disappear, templar.”

Cullen: "Were it up to me -"

Anders: "But it's not up to you. Our fearless leader forbid you from 'harming so much as a single hair on my head', remember?"

Cullen: "After what you did in Kirkwall, death is better than you deserve,"

Anders: ....


Cullen: “Hawke executed you.”

Anders: “Try not to be too disappointed. She missed. The
blade didn’t damage anything fatal. If it’s any consolation, it was
excruciatingly painful.”

Cullen: “How do I know that your demon isn’t keeping you
alive, or using Anders’ corpse and claiming to be him? Is it really Justice in
there?”

Anders: “Justice is gone… Hawke’s knife only missed because he
pulled as much of his energy as he could in its path.”

Cullen: “How can a knife kill a demon? They only die if the
host does.”

Anders: *snarls* “For the last time, Justice wasn’t a demon!
He was a spirit. All demons are spirits but not all spirits are demons.”

Cullen: “So whose idea was it to destroy the Chantry then?”

Anders: “Whose idea was it Tranquilize and rape mages?”

Cullen: “There was never any proof of that happening!”

Anders: “Yet Hawke and I walked in on a templar about to do
just that. Alrik wasn’t the only one either. Countless mages were abused and
you did nothing! You keep saying your job is to protect them but once they’re
in the Circle, your protection disappears. I couldn’t stand by and do nothing.
They were innocent!”

Cullen: “So were many initiates and brothers and sisters in
the Chantry you destroyed! Many of whom were scholars that had promising ideas
for making the Circles better.”

Anders: “A better prison? How lovely…”

Cullen: “Elthina was most impressed by one particular
scholar, a devout Andrastian who felt deep sympathy for the mages’ plight. She
had a theory for allowing mages freedom while maintaining vigil over them and
you destroyed that. Indiscriminately and without thought, you obliterated
someone who was fighting for the same cause you are. So, again I ask, whose
idea was it? The man? Or monster?”

Anders: *sigh* “Maybe it was both of us. Spirits can’t
perceive the world as it is, only as we feel about it. I can’t say for sure
that I don’t harbor such desires deep inside… I’ve always despised the Chantry
and its doctrine but I can’t imagine doing what we did that night in Kirkwall,
now that Justice is gone. I do know that he sacrificed his existence for me.
Hawke’s blade had spiritual properties. To protect me from its edge, Justice
exposed too much of himself to its effects. It killed him.”

Cullen: “That’s… surprising to hear of a spirit doing such a
thing.”

Anders: “Because they’re not all demons. Some are good.”

Cullen: “Just as you claim not all mages are the same.”

Anders: “If they were, would you have fallen in love with
Hawke? Would you be following the command of a mage now?”

Cullen: “I have orders…”

Anders: “Always the dutiful one… Shouldn’t you be back in
Kirkwall? I heard about Meredith’s demise. Why aren’t you enjoying your new
post as Knight Commander?”

Cullen: “I was never assigned to that position.”

Anders: “Oh? It seems like you would be the Order’s logical
choice: religious fanatic, blind rule follower, you don’t care to distinguish
mages from monsters and you’re really very bad at your job…”

Cullen: “Take care what you say, Anders…”

Anders: “Or what? You’ll drag me to the Gallows? Oh, right –
you aren’t a templar anymore. I’m surprised Hawke didn’t run you through when
she finished off Meredith.”

Cullen: “…Hawke didn’t kill Meredith… Even at the end she
begged the Knight Commander to stop her madness.” *shakes head* “The idol
consumed Meredith until only a husk remained. 
Hawke never wanted her dead.”

Anders: “That still doesn’t explain why you were kicked out
of the fraternity and branded a traitor.”

Cullen: “The rest of the Order felt it was my betrayal of
Meredith that drove her to lose her last shred of sanity.”

Anders: “You…  you betrayed
Meredith?”

Cullen: “She went too far.”

Anders: “Leave it to the Chantry to pin the consequences of
a raving madwoman’s depraved ambitions on one of their own. That idol consumed
Bartrand’s mind too. That’s what it does to the one who wields it. So I
wouldn’t accept too much credit for Meredith, if I were you.”

Cullen: “I’m… um… not sure how to take that.”

Anders: “I suppose it is a bit much to expect a templar to
show gratitude to a mage…”

Cullen: “I-I.. uh, th-thank you… I think…”

Anders: “Well, you did use my name...”

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 12 juin 2013 - 10:17 .


#50527
neonmoth

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I didn't know that the leaked survey included descriptions of followers. Were there some more?

As for Iron Bull, I'm definitely interested in him having a sense of humour ^_^ Qunari cracking jokes can be amusing.

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Samara: Done!

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neonmoth wrote...

I didn't know that the leaked survey included descriptions of followers. Were there some more?

As for Iron Bull, I'm definitely interested in him having a sense of humour ^_^ Qunari cracking jokes can be amusing.


There was a bunch of them. Not one for Cullen though. It didn't specificially list them as companions, but it seemed pretty obvious.

#50530
SamaraDraven

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Thanks Lola!

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 Here's Black Whirlwind from Jade Empire. This is EXACTLY how I imagine Iron Bull to be personality wise:



His description:

"The Black Whirlwind is a brawler of legendary stature, although the legends dwell as much on his drunken stupidity as his skill in combat. He is rude, crude, and thickheaded, so much so that he has simply no understanding of what he can and cannot do. While he is an absolute disaster at anything diplomatic, if someone is needed to survive a suicidal battle against overwhelming odds, the Black Whirlwind is the man for the job."

<3

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Now, what would be really weird, is if they decided to make The Iron Bull an LI. Someone who likes to drink, kill and loot reminds me of Isabella (maybe not the killing part), someone who revels in hedonistic past times. I would think that possibly someone with that type of personality would get some sort of enjoyment out of sex, too. But that might be pushing the envelope for DA's team.

#50533
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@Samara, That's great and I don't find it particularly ooc... Maybe Anders was a bit too lighthearted ;) (j/k)
Thank you for contributing :]

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Chanda wrote...

Now, what would be really weird, is if they decided to make The Iron Bull an LI. Someone who likes to drink, kill and loot reminds me of Isabella (maybe not the killing part), someone who revels in hedonistic past times. I would think that possibly someone with that type of personality would get some sort of enjoyment out of sex, too. But that might be pushing the envelope for DA's team.


I doubt they do that, DG said that people wanting to romance Qunari companions seems more like a fetish. I reckon he'd be like Varric and fill the "bro" role.

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Here's a really good picture of the supposed "Iron Bull"

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His face is definitely scarred up. He may even be missing an eye, I can't quite tell.

Modifié par Chanda, 12 juin 2013 - 10:45 .


#50536
SamaraDraven

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neonmoth wrote...

@Samara, That's great and I don't find it particularly ooc... Maybe Anders was a bit too lighthearted ;) (j/k)
Thank you for contributing :]


Well, I was trying to find a balance and have an Anders that was closer to how he is when we met him in Awakening but still scarred by the years he spent with Justice. Like he's horrified and in awe at the same time. :lol:

Thank you! :D

#50537
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I think he's just squinting because of the rain, lol.

#50538
SamaraDraven

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I loooooved Black Whirlwind! You couldn't romance him either, but he was my buddy so romance wasn't an option.

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SamaraDraven wrote...

I loooooved Black Whirlwind! You couldn't romance him either, but he was my buddy so romance wasn't an option.


He was just a big ol' drunken tank. I love how he also disppears off at the end in the epilogue to go traveling, then got bored/in trouble and came back LOL! :lol:

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LolaLei wrote...

Chanda wrote...

Now, what would be really weird, is if they decided to make The Iron Bull an LI. Someone who likes to drink, kill and loot reminds me of Isabella (maybe not the killing part), someone who revels in hedonistic past times. I would think that possibly someone with that type of personality would get some sort of enjoyment out of sex, too. But that might be pushing the envelope for DA's team.


I doubt they do that, DG said that people wanting to romance Qunari companions seems more like a fetish. I reckon he'd be like Varric and fill the "bro" role.


Bro roles are awesome. If we were to recruit this guy, I wonder how much friction he would cause due to his morals. Possibly as much, maybe more, as Zevran did. 

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My husband saw the picture of the helmet that the protagonist is holding for the DA3 website, and he said, "Whoah, it looks like a Cylon!" lol

Modifié par Chanda, 12 juin 2013 - 11:02 .


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*popping in for a second*

Samara, I loved your dialogue :D I could hear both their voices so, so, so clearly. My naughty brain also invented some sexual tension though, so I apologize. I'm not responsible for the evil paths it treads upon...

If Iron Bull were romanceable, I would die happy, even despite his bizarre proportions. Alas as Lola says, tis not to happen.

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neonmoth wrote...

Newschmoo wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

I thought the same thing Newschmoo , it looks a bit like a Knight templar cross.(not KT from DA).


I hope so, I do like a bit of reference to medieval history.

Just watched the trailer a few times and some DA fan's take on it.  Looks amazing.

It seems as if the fortress shown maybe Weisshaupt, but it also looks like the Seekers are attacking it.  If that is the case, why would they attack the Grey Wardens?  I thought the GWs tended to be more 'neutral' and only concerned with Darkspawn.

I was thinking that it would be an interesting twist if GW did something that enraged the rest of Thedas. Maybe not siding with demons but maybe something a la Bregan's agreeing with Architect's idea in The Calling. Alas, Lola posted this useful link to Allan Schumacher saying that "The only hesitation one might put on "in game" is that upon playing the game at release, someone might go "Hey, where's that scene of the Qunari slowly turning around?  I didn't see that in my game!"  You might not see a scene that actually has Cassandra stabbing daggers into tables, and you might not come across a scene where Varric is looking over some dead bodies."

^^This indicates that whatever we saw might not necessarily be in the game.



Wel...hell. It makes it hard to speculate w/red herrings everywhere. So, that might not even have been Varric there. So, any spec abt who, or what he was mourning will get you nowhere.

Heck, maybe these "inquisitors" weren't even in that actual room w/ a maybe Cassandra? That Qunari might not have been anywhere near that flag/location....<_< sigh. And the PC maybe wasn't struggling to stand in the sandstorm wasteland? Maybe it was a mood piece?

Although, the background might be in the game. And the PC obviously will be in the game, but the scene itself may have no meaning?!? Oooorrrr, maybe it does?!?

Hooray...

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SamaraDraven

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LolaLei wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

I loooooved Black Whirlwind! You couldn't romance him either, but he was my buddy so romance wasn't an option.


He was just a big ol' drunken tank. I love how he also disppears off at the end in the epilogue to go traveling, then got bored/in trouble and came back LOL! :lol:


haha! yeah that was cool! Just watching that video makes me want to play JE! I miss it sooo much! Would love for a sequel! Get on it Bioware! :lol:

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rapscallioness: Allan said a little while after that the Qunari dude was added into the location for the purpose of the trailer, so I guess that doesn't happen in game. However, that does make me wonder if he's actually a companion.

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LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness: Allan said a little while after that the Qunari dude was added into the location for the purpose of the trailer, so I guess that doesn't happen in game. However, that does make me wonder if he's actually a companion.


See, that was my thought. Why put just him, a scarred, unpainted, lone Qunari in any scene? Why not show a whole horde of them, rushing the battlefield, or something similar. It seems like he was placed there for a reason.

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Tweet, since it's on topic:

Sheryl Chee: "What a day it's been. A thunderstorm, and then a naked qunari!" --overheard in the #WritersPit"

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Chanda wrote...

Here's a really good picture of the supposed "Iron Bull"

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His face is definitely scarred up. He may even be missing an eye, I can't quite tell.


Wow. Fantastic job GloriousDownFall...wherever you are.

Maybe he's been in a fight recently and his eye is swollen?

#50549
SamaraDraven

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motomotogirl wrote...

*popping in for a second*

Samara, I loved your dialogue :D I could hear both their voices so, so, so clearly. My naughty brain also invented some sexual tension though, so I apologize. I'm not responsible for the evil paths it treads upon...

If Iron Bull were romanceable, I would die happy, even despite his bizarre proportions. Alas as Lola says, tis not to happen.


Oh thank you, MMG! That's high praise! :D I admit I didn't see the sexual tension but I can see how it might exist for others. No worries though! Our brains tread where they will. lol! :lol:

Sad about Iron Bull. :( But once he's in that bro category, I'll be dead set against him being an LI. I'm weird that way. I wonder if Black Whirlwind was the inspiration for Iron Bull though. Jade Empire is a Bioware game... :whistle: Now if only they'd make a Zu knockoff for an LI,,, :devil:

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Chanda wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness: Allan said a little while after that the Qunari dude was added into the location for the purpose of the trailer, so I guess that doesn't happen in game. However, that does make me wonder if he's actually a companion.


See, that was my thought. Why put just him, a scarred, unpainted, lone Qunari in any scene? Why not show a whole horde of them, rushing the battlefield, or something similar. It seems like he was placed there for a reason.


Yeah, even the Tal-vashoth ran around in groups. The only one who didn't in DA:O was Sten, and in DA2 it was that sword hire dude. They're usually only by themselves for a good reason. In Iron Bull's case because he's completely shunned his races beliefs, religion and traditions.