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[MageTarot]

LolaLei wrote...

Urgh, I really can't get into SWTOR I thought it was growing on me... but it really isn't lol.

Have you tried Star Trek Online then? The great thing about that game is that you can modify your bridge officers' look so they can resemble pretty much anyone (hint, hint, hint, hint)

At the risk of derailing this thread for a moment, I tried my hand a while back making Alistair my Tactical Officer. I probably could have done better, but this will give an idea of what's possible. Enjoy!

[MageTarot]

...and to get the thread back online, here's something from the "Sad-But-True" department. It's an updated version of one I did for Alistair during "Origins" (please don't tell him -- we all know how jealous he gets!)

Modifié par MageTarot, 16 juin 2013 - 12:14 .

[LolaLei]

LOL! I can't believe a few of them thought Dave of Canada's post was legit! What I don't get is why people even bother to ask? Does it matter why someone likes something?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

LOL! I can't believe a few of them thought Dave of Canada's post was legit! What I don't get is why people even bother to ask? Does it matter why someone likes something?

No kidding. Eyerolling at the line in the OP about not wanting to bash other people... yeeeeaahhh right.  If you don't recall Cullen... ask who the hell he is, not about his fans.

Sadly, it seems to be one of those weekends. There's a thread explicitly bashing Anders's fans. "On Trial: Anders' supporters."  Disappointed the mods let that crap go.

Here's hoping the ****** Cullen thread quietly pages off !

Modifié par R2s Muse, 16 juin 2013 - 02:18 .

[R2s Muse]

<editing with a more entertaining post>

Commission: LadyAvilia by Arylas/Shaydh

Modifié par R2s Muse, 16 juin 2013 - 02:28 .

[Adela]

LOL LOVE THE POSTER

[LolaLei]

Whey! Cullen hate thread got closed!

[Adela]

CULLEN RULLZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LolaLei]

Interesting, this is from that dodgy "Was Anders Justified" thread:


IanPolaris: "I'm sorry but that doesn't fly.  You can not remove a person's emotions and therefore their desire to be free (or even potential desire to be free) and then say that they are free not to obey.  Tranquil must obey unless told explicitly by higher authority not to because the emotional context that permits freewill is removed.  Calling tranquil free is a bitter joke.  They are as free to disobey as your IPod....and that makes them slaves."


David Gaider: "If you wish. You're the one who claimed they were forced to stay-- I'm simply telling you they're not. They're free to go, and some in fact do if there's a logical place for them elsewhere (which is rare). They're certainly not blind to the fact that the world would not welcome them. I'm also not sure how you equate the loss of emotion with the loss of free will. If the Tranquil saw a reason not to follow an order, they would do so. They are not automotons."


IanPolaris: "Meredith is not a member of the Chantry Clergy and certainly not the Grand Cleric.  She had no more right to declare a Right of Annulment than KCGregoire did (under far more dire conditions).  She was obligated to seek permission from Divine Justina in absence of a local Grand Cleric."

David Gaider: "And you decided this when, exactly?

A Knight-Commander is second-in-command next to the Grand Cleric. With Elthina's death, Meredith was legally in command of the Kirkwall Chantry-- such as it was, and certainly in the absence of any ranking Revered Mother or the Divine herself. Cullen's objection was not that her invocation of the Rite was illegal, it was that it was unjustified."


I love how this dude is trying to tell DG what his own writing/game is about. 

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 juin 2013 - 04:18 .

[LolaLei]

I wish DG or whoever wrote Cullen in DA2 would clarify exactly what he meant when he said "mages are not like people blah blah" (or whatever it was).

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that mages don't class as humans and as such are a sub-species that should be wiped off the face of Thedas, which is what a lot of people like to think, but unless they give an answer one way or another people are gonna keep using that old chestnut as justification that he's "evil/bad".

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Interesting, this is from that dodgy "Was Anders Justified" thread:


IanPolaris: "I'm sorry but that doesn't fly.  You can not remove a person's emotions and therefore their desire to be free (or even potential desire to be free) and then say that they are free not to obey.  Tranquil must obey unless told explicitly by higher authority not to because the emotional context that permits freewill is removed.  Calling tranquil free is a bitter joke.  They are as free to disobey as your IPod....and that makes them slaves."


David Gaider: "If you wish. You're the one who claimed they were forced to stay-- I'm simply telling you they're not. They're free to go, and some in fact do if there's a logical place for them elsewhere (which is rare). They're certainly not blind to the fact that the world would not welcome them. I'm also not sure how you equate the loss of emotion with the loss of free will. If the Tranquil saw a reason not to follow an order, they would do so. They are not automotons."


IanPolaris: "Meredith is not a member of the Chantry Clergy and certainly not the Grand Cleric.  She had no more right to declare a Right of Annulment than KCGregoire did (under far more dire conditions).  She was obligated to seek permission from Divine Justina in absence of a local Grand Cleric."

David Gaider: "And you decided this when, exactly?

A Knight-Commander is second-in-command next to the Grand Cleric. With Elthina's death, Meredith was legally in command of the Kirkwall Chantry-- such as it was, and certainly in the absence of any ranking Revered Mother or the Divine herself. Cullen's objection was not that her invocation of the Rite was illegal, it was that it was unjustified."


I love how this dude is trying to tell DG what his own writing/game is about. 

Oh d@mn!  I love watching exchanges implode like this, gonna go run over there now to see if the all knowing fan had a come back for that one. 

[LolaLei]

Also, that "Templar's perspective" thread is also turning into a Cullen flame war. I wonder what the writers/devs think about the sheer amount of threads that devolve into Cullen arguments?

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

I wish DG or whoever wrote Cullen in DA2 would clarify exactly what he meant when he said "mages are not like people blah blah" (or whatever it was).

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that mages don't class as humans and as such are a sub-species that should be wiped off the face of Thedas, which is what a lot of people like to think, but unless they give an answer one way or another people are gonna keep using that old chestnut as justification that he's "evil/bad".

He's not wrong exactly, mages aren't people like him and Hawke (unless that Hawke is a mage of course ). Where a normal person might have a bad morale or temper, join a merc gang or rob a few nobles, a mage with similar traits can burn down an entire town if they wish with the snap of their fingers. The main issue w/ Cullen is, he has a difficult time reading where simply watching the mages ends, and turns into opressing them. Largely due to his torture at the Circle in Ferelden. I mean, he even says himself that he used to think the Templars were too harsh w/ the mages before that. 

This is another great reason why I hope to see him in DAI. He's been kinda f*cked over by both sides now, it'd be interesting to see where he stands on the issues with those groups now. 

Modifié par littlenikki, 16 juin 2013 - 04:34 .

[Twice a Lady]

Oh. Joy of joys. Yet another person who thinks they know better than the devs and feels entitled to argue with the game's creators over being right.

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Also, that "Templar's perspective" thread is also turning into a Cullen flame war. I wonder what the writers/devs think about the sheer amount of threads that devolve into Cullen arguments?

Of course it is.... <_< I think that having a polarizing character that causes so much debate (when he's not even a companion!) is a good thing in the end. If he were boring and insignificant as some claim he is, then I doubt anyone would bother arguing about what his believes/morals/actions/etc mean. 

[LolaLei]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wish DG or whoever wrote Cullen in DA2 would clarify exactly what he meant when he said "mages are not like people blah blah" (or whatever it was).

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that mages don't class as humans and as such are a sub-species that should be wiped off the face of Thedas, which is what a lot of people like to think, but unless they give an answer one way or another people are gonna keep using that old chestnut as justification that he's "evil/bad".

He's not wrong exactly, mages aren't people like him and Hawke (unless that Hawke is a mage of course ). Where a normal person might have a bad morale or temper, join a merc gang or rob a few nobles, a mage with similar traits can burn down an entire town if they wish with the snap of their fingers. The main issue w/ Cullen is, he has a difficult time reading where simply watching the mages ends, and turns into opressing them. Largely due to his torture at the Circle in Ferelden. I mean, he even says himself that he used to think the Templars were too harsh w/ the mages before that. 

This is another great reason why I hope to see him in DAI. He's been kinda f*cked over by both sides now, it'd be interesting to see where he stands on the issues with those groups now. 

Oh, I'm not saying that he's "perfect" or anything like that, I'm just fed up of people using that particular line over and over again to "prove" that he's "evil/bad" when DG has already stated several times that Cullen becomes/is one of the more neutral "good" templars. I mean, sure for some people that seems strange, but at the end of the day those are DG 'n'co's characters and what they say goes so why bother arguing about why they "know for sure" that Cullen is bad and the writers are wrong.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Interesting, this is from that dodgy "Was Anders Justified" thread:


IanPolaris: "I'm sorry but that doesn't fly.  You can not remove a person's emotions and therefore their desire to be free (or even potential desire to be free) and then say that they are free not to obey.  Tranquil must obey unless told explicitly by higher authority not to because the emotional context that permits freewill is removed.  Calling tranquil free is a bitter joke.  They are as free to disobey as your IPod....and that makes them slaves."


David Gaider: "If you wish. You're the one who claimed they were forced to stay-- I'm simply telling you they're not. They're free to go, and some in fact do if there's a logical place for them elsewhere (which is rare). They're certainly not blind to the fact that the world would not welcome them. I'm also not sure how you equate the loss of emotion with the loss of free will. If the Tranquil saw a reason not to follow an order, they would do so. They are not automotons."


IanPolaris: "Meredith is not a member of the Chantry Clergy and certainly not the Grand Cleric.  She had no more right to declare a Right of Annulment than KCGregoire did (under far more dire conditions).  She was obligated to seek permission from Divine Justina in absence of a local Grand Cleric."

David Gaider: "And you decided this when, exactly?

A Knight-Commander is second-in-command next to the Grand Cleric. With Elthina's death, Meredith was legally in command of the Kirkwall Chantry-- such as it was, and certainly in the absence of any ranking Revered Mother or the Divine herself. Cullen's objection was not that her invocation of the Rite was illegal, it was that it was unjustified."


I love how this dude is trying to tell DG what his own writing/game is about. 

OK... is it my imagination, or is the On trial: Anders' supporters thread totally gone...? Do they actually delete threads?  Or did the OP just rename it...?

[Twice a Lady]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, that "Templar's perspective" thread is also turning into a Cullen flame war. I wonder what the writers/devs think about the sheer amount of threads that devolve into Cullen arguments?

Of course it is.... <_< I think that having a polarizing character that causes so much debate (when he's not even a companion!) is a good thing in the end. If he were boring and insignificant as some claim he is, then I doubt anyone would bother arguing about what his believes/morals/actions/etc mean. 

I love the different opinions and debates surrounding Cullen and the rest of the Templars. I like hearing different perspectives on every aspect of a character. It helps me evolve my own opinion and play 'what if'. But, I sure as heck hate having someone adamantly tell me my views and opinions are wrong and their's is right. No, buddy, YOUR opinion is RIGHT for YOU, and MY opinion is RIGHT for ME. I wish everyone could remember to respect other people's views even if they disagree. I think if people actually remembered their manners and that they are in a sense 'speaking' to another human being, these threads if great debate wouldn't turn into haters, trolls and flames. It's sad when we can't discuss a fictional character in a civilized manner.

[LolaLei]

Twice a Lady wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, that "Templar's perspective" thread is also turning into a Cullen flame war. I wonder what the writers/devs think about the sheer amount of threads that devolve into Cullen arguments?

Of course it is.... <_< I think that having a polarizing character that causes so much debate (when he's not even a companion!) is a good thing in the end. If he were boring and insignificant as some claim he is, then I doubt anyone would bother arguing about what his believes/morals/actions/etc mean. 

I love the different opinions and debates surrounding Cullen and the rest of the Templars. I like hearing different perspectives on every aspect of a character. It helps me evolve my own opinion and play 'what if'. But, I sure as heck hate having someone adamantly tell me my views and opinions are wrong and their's is right. No, buddy, YOUR opinion is RIGHT for YOU, and MY opinion is RIGHT for ME. I wish everyone could remember to respect other people's views even if they disagree. I think if people actually remembered their manners and that they are in a sense 'speaking' to another human being, these threads if great debate wouldn't turn into haters, trolls and flames. It's sad when we can't discuss a fictional character in a civilized manner.

Agreed. I like hearing all the different points of view, but I don't like being attacked for my preferences or being told that I'm categorically wrong when there is no proof to say that their opinion is correct.

Like that dude I'm currently debating/arguing with in the Templar perspective thread. He's adamant that Cullen didn't revoke the Rite of Annulment because when he told Meredith to stand down he didn't revoke it at the same time. As I pointed out, you can tell people to do something but you can't make them do it, immediately after he told her to stop being a douche she started waving her sword around (hur hur) and flying around the Gallow's attacking everyone, there's no time to think or talk in that situation, you just fight and deal with the details after.

He then said that after Meredith was dead he could've said something, but as I pointed out no one said anything because it was the end of the game and the scene shown in silence for dramatic effect, who knows what Cullen done after he let Hawke go/bowed.

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 juin 2013 - 05:12 .

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wish DG or whoever wrote Cullen in DA2 would clarify exactly what he meant when he said "mages are not like people blah blah" (or whatever it was).

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that mages don't class as humans and as such are a sub-species that should be wiped off the face of Thedas, which is what a lot of people like to think, but unless they give an answer one way or another people are gonna keep using that old chestnut as justification that he's "evil/bad".

He's not wrong exactly, mages aren't people like him and Hawke (unless that Hawke is a mage of course ). Where a normal person might have a bad morale or temper, join a merc gang or rob a few nobles, a mage with similar traits can burn down an entire town if they wish with the snap of their fingers. The main issue w/ Cullen is, he has a difficult time reading where simply watching the mages ends, and turns into opressing them. Largely due to his torture at the Circle in Ferelden. I mean, he even says himself that he used to think the Templars were too harsh w/ the mages before that. 

This is another great reason why I hope to see him in DAI. He's been kinda f*cked over by both sides now, it'd be interesting to see where he stands on the issues with those groups now. 

Oh, I'm not saying that he's "perfect" or anything like that, I'm just fed up of people using that particular line over and over again to "prove" that he's "evil/bad" when DG has already stated several times that Cullen becomes/is one of the more neutral "good" templars. I mean, sure for some people that seems strange, but at the end of the day those are DG 'n'co's characters and what they say goes so why bother arguing about why they "know for sure" that Cullen is bad and the writers are wrong.

I've noticed that there are groups of people on the BSN who try to make black-and-white issues out of situations that are obviously intentionally and unavoidably gray. Cullen and the rest of the Order are no more 100% pure eeeevilll than they are 100% flawless and pure of intention.

DA is a world full of people trying to make the best out of things in a world they have little control over, while clinging hopelessly to ideas that are polarizing and somewhat destructive. I think it's troubling that some of them believe things in real life like "Anders was right to blow up part of Kirkwall to make a statement" and express those opinions regularly on the BSN, but then my "The best course of action is to guard the mages but treat them kindly" is repulsive to both them and the "Lock 'em all up and throw away the key" types (also troubling).

The BSN is a lot like Thedas that way. I just never stop being shocked that the "obvious" bad guys in my games are the "obvious" heroes in theirs.

[Twice a Lady]

Okay, this will make me look extremely stupid to some, but can someone explain to me how we post pictures onto this site? So many of you do it all the time, and I have no bloody idea how it's done!

[brushyourteeth]

Okay, re-reading my last post, I just realized how shallow I am. I'm officially a Cullen fan, not because he's cute, but because he agrees with my preconceived notions of right and wrong.

[littlenikki]

Twice a Lady wrote...

Okay, this will make me look extremely stupid to some, but can someone explain to me how we post pictures onto this site? So many of you do it all the time, and I have no bloody idea how it's done!

[ img ] http://imagelink [ / img ]

W/out the spaces

Modifié par littlenikki, 16 juin 2013 - 05:17 .

[FaWa]

Is it too late to hop on the Cullen bandwagon?

[brushyourteeth]

Twice a Lady wrote...

Okay, this will make me look extremely stupid to some, but can someone explain to me how we post pictures onto this site? So many of you do it all the time, and I have no bloody idea how it's done!

Not stupid!! I just copy and paste them into the standard form of the reply. If you want to post your own pics you may have to make a photobucket account (or something similar -- that's what I did) and then you can copy and paste them the same way.

Sometimes google images links the picture when you paste it so I always click on it and hit the "remove link" button up at the top first. Other people might have different ways of doing it, but I hope that helps!!