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[Shutterbones]

LolaLei wrote...

Has DG ever mentioned how long it takes before a Templar starts to lose his mind on lyrium?

I remember an exact discussion about it on the old forums... hold on I might be able to dig it up. x]

[LolaLei]

*Edit* double post, crappy internet keeps spazzing out on me.

Modifié par LolaLei, 20 juin 2013 - 11:14 .

[LolaLei]

Twice a Lady wrote...

Try as I might, I just don't see him in Paul Walker. PW is too much of a pretty boy, rather than a handsome man. Sigh, I just don't see it.

It's ok, I don't see it either lol.

[Twice a Lady]

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

Try as I might, I just don't see him in Paul Walker. PW is too much of a pretty boy, rather than a handsome man. Sigh, I just don't see it.

It's ok, I don't see it either lol.

lol,  oh good! The comparison has been brought up a lot on the thread and I never see the resemblance! I was convinced I was the only one not seeing it! 

Honestly, I have a really hard time pegging him as any real life actor. I see similarities, sure, but not one ever really says 'Cullen' to me.

[LolaLei]

Twice a Lady wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Twice a Lady wrote...

Try as I might, I just don't see him in Paul Walker. PW is too much of a pretty boy, rather than a handsome man. Sigh, I just don't see it.

It's ok, I don't see it either lol.

lol,  oh good! The comparison has been brought up a lot on the thread and I never see the resemblance! I was convinced I was the only one not seeing it! 

Honestly, I have a really hard time pegging him as any real life actor. I see similarities, sure, but not one ever really says 'Cullen' to me.

Agreed. I wonder if he does have an actual face model? I know Morrigan and Alistair did. I bet if he hasn't yet then he will do by DAI.

[Adela]

tysandri wrote...




I'm going to be a little terrible here and hope for what eventually happens to all templars, which is a scarred, lyrium-addled older templar still trying to keep control of his own mind



I should probably repaint this at some point before DAI, but I really love this concept. I think Cullen could probably hold out against the lyrium madness longer than some, but eventually it would creep in and start to affect him. After the 10 year span in DA2, I imagine it starts getting to him. Not to mention trauma from everything he's had to go through and see over the years.

I like the light side of his face with a scare on the brow  but the dark side  looks kinda creepy reminds me of Christof from awakening

Modifié par ag99, 20 juin 2013 - 11:36 .

[Shutterbones]

LolaLei wrote...

tysandri wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

tysandri wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think Cullen's files said 24 in the toolset, so he'll probably be about 36ish in DAI, but it depends on whether they've shaved a few years off his age and/or how long after the end of DA2 the new game picks up from.

Soooo I'd say he'll be anything between 34 and 39.

Actually, I dunno how many people still know about this, but a few years back there was a dispute on the Origins forums about the "age" files in the DAO Toolset, and I cannot remember if it was actually from the original Cullen appreciation thread I made in the old forums or from another discussion, but David Gaider actually popped in and explained that the ages listed in the toolset were not the characters' actual age, but a reference for the VA actors' to go by, essentially meaning I'm presuming that they wanted Greg Ellis to try and sound more like a bumbling, nervous 24-year-old. Which is really cute.

So don't be fooled by the Toolset! I never follow the list lol. I headcanon him as in his 30s in Origins, which would make him a saucy 40ish in DAI (which I don't mind a siiinggle bit)

They describe him as the "young templar" in the epilogues, so I've always considered him to be in his early 20's in DA:O, even though he looked a lot older.

Really?? Is it an epilogue for DA:O or DA2? I haven't seen it if so.. *curious*

DA:O, there aren't any epilogues for DA2.

well now I'm going crazy trying to find a screenshot of it. Was it the mage-side epilogue regarding him going crazy and killing three apprentices? I found a screenshot of if you side with Cullen and it says he became Knight-Commander of the circle, though that doesn't mention it.

[LolaLei]

I can't remember which slide, I have a feeling it might have been the one where he goes mad and kills the mage apprentices and then escapes imprisonment and runs off to be a loony, but I can't say for sure. I tried to look for the sliders but nothing came up.

[LolaLei]

However, I did find this:

[neonmoth]

Twice a Lady wrote...

Try as I might, I just don't see him in Paul Walker. PW is too much of a pretty boy, rather than a handsome man. Sigh, I just don't see it.

Even though I can see some resemblance, I don't find PW attractive at all. He's just too pretty boy for me too

Now when I think about it it's probably just the hair colour, stubble (by that I mean it's present:)) and narrow face shape.

Modifié par neonmoth, 21 juin 2013 - 12:01 .

[Shutterbones]

You know what I find interesting is the fact he's become kind of a prominent character in the Dragon Age series. In Dragon Age: Origins he was a side-character, a blip pretty much on the map of your Warden adventures (or if you like to headcanon could-haves and would-haves and might-haves then there's more to it) yet I feel kind of lucky I picked the mage origin, unknowing that being a part of the mage/templar fight from the beginning would invest you so much more into the further games. The story has shifted to partially become a saga of the war between mages and templars, if you like to see it that way or played a mage in Origins and/or DA2. It becomes this central theme to your games, and in the heart of the story remains a constant character, Cullen.

He represents what a templar should be in my opinion, or what they should try to be. He resisted the temptations thrown at him, yet did not let the torment he experienced at the very hands of mages bitter his heart. Though he's much more wary and holds more authority in DA2, he still exercises the belief that you can treat mages with civility and respect.

My belief is that in DAI he actually plays a fairly important role, simply because he was the one to step in at the end of DA2, he was the voice of reason amongst a group of people thought to be mindless dogs bent only on taking away from the mages. He stands up to his own commander, which is a BIG thing both for him as a person and as a templar. We've been led to believe for so long that templars don't care about mages, and that they will do whatever they are asked, yet he is a shining example of a templar capable of thinking for himself, and of holding out some shred of hope to find a peaceful resolution. I think, because of the way he has carried himself through the games and his willingness to listen to a mage's opinion, he will be the mediator of the templars. Or something like that.

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[LolaLei]

I feel certain that he'll be one of the Divine loyal templars who didn't rebel under Lambert's orders. Of course, I could be wrong, but given what we've seen of him and how dedicated he seemed to carry out the orders of the Divine, I don't see him siding with the rebel templars.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

I feel certain that he'll be one of the Divine loyal templars who didn't rebel under Lambert's orders. Of course, I could be wrong, but given what we've seen of him and how dedicated he seemed to carry out the orders of the Divine, I don't see him siding with the rebel templars.

But the problem is, the devs/writers always talk about how we are so much more into the character than even they are, that we will be sorely disappointed because of all our head canons, etc, etc. So this makes me feel that they are going to take a really surface approach to Cullen, and since Cassandra is the seeker, I'm afraid Cullen could be the "pro-templar" character.

On the other hand, there were those various comments on Twitter about Cullen being a good guy and always taking the middle ground, so there's that.

[Chanda]

tysandri wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Has DG ever mentioned how long it takes before a Templar starts to lose his mind on lyrium?

I remember an exact discussion about it on the old forums... hold on I might be able to dig it up. x]

When you go to Howe's estate in Origins, there's a Templar locked up who is addled by lyrium. He looks like he's in his 60's or 70's, but then Cullen looked like he was in his 40's, so I don't know.

[LolaLei]

MG: Yeah, there is that too. DG also said that in a way we've backed them into a corner with our head canons that they have no choice but to make him how us fan girls see him. Of course, all our head canons are drastically different so I'm intrigued as to what he/they think are general consensus is.

Even if he is pro-Templar I don't mind, at this point I'd just be glad to get him as a companion/LI. If they decided to only skim the surface or deliberately not do certain things because of us then that would be a very silly and childish way of going about things tbh.

[LolaLei]

Chanda: I was under the impression he'd gone mad because he had been starved of lyrium for weeks/months. Evangeline said in Asunder that Templars can last about two weeks without lyrium and then their body and mind start to suffer.

[Twice a Lady]

LolaLei wrote...

MG: Yeah, there is that too. DG also said that in a way we've backed them into a corner with our head canons that they have no choice but to make him how us fan girls see him. Of course, all our head canons are drastically different so I'm intrigued as to what he/they think are general consensus is.

Even if he is pro-Templar I don't mind, at this point I'd just be glad to get him as a companion/LI. If they decided to only skim the surface or deliberately not do certain things because of us then that would be a very silly and childish way of going about things tbh.

Im just wondering, was it specifically Cullen and his fans they were talking about? Because there are a lot of other characters in the DA universe that have a lot of prominent headcanons of fans that seem to stick out more to me than Cullen ideas. I'm not sure which conversation from the devs/writers you guys are referring to, so maybe this is moot.

[LolaLei]

Twice a Lady: Yeah it was aimed at us. There was a thread (I don't remember if it was a Cullen hate thread), but one of the more notorious BSN posters started having a dig at the Cullen fans and then DG posted that he was sure that the Cullen fans would be the first people with pitch forks at the ready if we didn't like what they done with his character. He went on to say that he felt we'd back them into a corner when writing his character etc.

Oddly, after we all seized the thread and explained to him that we wouldn't etc he started taking our side and even visited the thread to show support. Strange.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Has DG ever mentioned how long it takes before a Templar starts to lose his mind on lyrium?

in asunder Evangeline says she'll start to lose it in a week. Probably longer for full on crazy. 

[LolaLei]

I wish I could remember what thread it was, I'd ask R2 but she's not around currently.

[LolaLei]

Speak of the devil! 

[R2s Muse]

On DG, he definitely directed his comment at us, but given his comments about having the same pitchfork-like expectations due to the trailer... Which notably did not include Cullen, my new feeling is that he thinks that in general about all DA fans. That overall we have so many fanfic-fueled head canons that we'll freak out at their contravention. Nevertheless I also remain slightly concerned about the return of rabid Cullen.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

I wish I could remember what thread it was, I'd ask R2 but she's not around currently.

LOL I'm on my phone so it's hard... I'll see what I can do!

[LolaLei]

I think it was in the DA2 forums, I'll keep looking too.

[LolaLei]

Ok found it, it's in the DA3 forum under Cullen/Mage romance, he says:

"I still think they'll be the first ones to surround the tower with pitchforks if something was potentially done with him that they didn't like-- but if not? Then cool. That would, however, certainly be a first."

Can't post the link though because my phone is being crap.