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[Dunquixote]

Here's my very first photoshop elements 10 project that I made for a future fanfiction story.



I used the face (and hand, which you can't see) of my canon character
from Dragon Age Origins and replaced the face of my imported WoW
character in the WoW model viewer. I used half of the Robes of Prophecy
(and the Cowl of Benevolence) and half of a chantry outfit from DAO. All
of the other pictures used except for the Grey Wardens background, the
Circle of Magi logo, and Templar heraldry, were screenshots I took in
Dragon Age 2. I plan on using this eventually for a future fanfiction I
hope to write.

Seth Hawke was my Berserker-Templar [2-handed weapon] warrior in DA2 and he had sided with the mages.  Alfidaiya Surana, a shapeshifter-spirit healer [and when I play her again, I'll make her an arcane warrior perhaps in Awakening, unless you all think there's something better than that; I just have never played an arcane warrior fully or properly] had sided with the templars and had a relationship with Cullen in my fanfiction.

Modifié par Dunquixote, 22 juin 2012 - 06:27 .

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

So, food for thought... and hear me out! I once had an idea that he had a "regular" at the Blooming Rose... or maybe somewhere else, like just an enterprising business woman working out of her house. Not someone tawdry (like the lewd girls at the Rose who make him blush) and not someone who he was in love with, but some steady, almost maternal woman who was a stable, comforting presence in his life. He was paying her to sleep with him... yeah, but she was almost courtesan-ish in how she sorta counseled him and nurtured him. So, sort of like a Firefly 'Verse companion, and what he really paid for was companionship, not necessarily sex. Someone to drive away the loneliness from isolation in Kirkwall (this was even before we had that big group think about how ostracized he might be by his fellow templars).

Still not sure what I think about it... but throwing it out there. It's a way in which he would still know what he's doing but still be uncomfortable around blowsy and lewd prostitutes and completely unfamiliar with true courtship and love. (so, yes, a paradox... )

I'm trying to imagine how that initial conversation establishing their "agreement" would go.

.... I think I'd need some more help believing it, which isn't to say it doesn't fit Cullen - just that my knowledge of him is admittedly pretty limited. Like Lola said, he could be doing anything and we'd never know because he'd probably never tell us!

Heh heh, *cracks knuckles* okay...

... the creative juices are now flowing... if brushyourteeth will forgive me my Sebastian fic... (I had actually forgotten! :innocent: )  I may need to flesh this out.  :devil:Although, I don't think I can turn something around as fast as Berelinde can!

[brushyourteeth]

Dunquixote wrote...

Here's my very first photoshop elements 10 project that I made for a future fanfiction story.



 

Wow - looks amazing, really! You'll let us know when you're done writing so we can read it, I hope?!

[brushyourteeth]

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'm trying to imagine how that initial conversation establishing their "agreement" would go.

.... I think I'd need some more help believing it, which isn't to say it doesn't fit Cullen - just that my knowledge of him is admittedly pretty limited. Like Lola said, he could be doing anything and we'd never know because he'd probably never tell us!

Heh heh, *cracks knuckles* okay...

... the creative juices are now flowing... if brushyourteeth will forgive me my Sebastian fic... (I had actually forgotten! :innocent: )  I may need to flesh this out.  :devil:Although, I don't think I can turn something around as fast as Berelinde can!

LOL! So now have I accidentally commissioned you to write two new fanfics and intentionally asked for a third? Funny! You know I do love your writing, though!

Honestly, if you get around to Seb one day I'd love to see how Knight's Bloom would have panned out if Hawke had chosen him over Cullen. Kind of a choose-your-own-love-interest twist on the story? I can't help it... they were both so freaking sexy. And that final goodbye from Seb... and his longing when he doesn't get her... it hurts!

[Dunquixote]

Sure and thank you! 

I'm editing (but I had to post-pone since I was taking a summer class; I have a final paper to turn in online by next Monday) my first story--Prelude to Destiny. The sex scene and chapter six or seven I believe has been bothering me the time I've had taken a break from my second fanfiction, which has also been post-poned.

Modifié par Dunquixote, 22 juin 2012 - 06:30 .

[brushyourteeth]

Dunquixote wrote...

Sure and thank you! 

I'm editing (but I had to post-pone since I was taking a summer class; I have a final paper to turn in online by next Monday) my first story--Prelude to Destiny. The sex scene and chapter six or seven I believe has been bothering me the time I've had taken a break from my second fanfiction, which has also been post-poned.

Yeah I can't even imagine how hard sex scenes must be to write! I've never tried my hand at fanfiction, but I really love reading it. Free reading material + my favorite characters? Yes please!

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LOL! So now have I accidentally commissioned you to write two new fanfics and intentionally asked for a third? Funny! You know I do love your writing, though!

Honestly, if you get around to Seb one day I'd love to see how Knight's Bloom would have panned out if Hawke had chosen him over Cullen. Kind of a choose-your-own-love-interest twist on the story? I can't help it... they were both so freaking sexy. And that final goodbye from Seb... and his longing when he doesn't get her... it hurts!

Thanks! I actually wasn't intending to write about the virginity thing... so I'm only on the hook for the two. Cullen's Sugar Mama and Sebastian: Through the Looking Glass.   The first will just be a scene. The other... hmm... takes some thought. I like the choose your romance notion!! LOL

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Dunquixote wrote...

Sure and thank you! 

I'm editing (but I had to post-pone since I was taking a summer class; I have a final paper to turn in online by next Monday) my first story--Prelude to Destiny. The sex scene and chapter six or seven I believe has been bothering me the time I've had taken a break from my second fanfiction, which has also been post-poned.

Yeah I can't even imagine how hard sex scenes must be to write! I've never tried my hand at fanfiction, but I really love reading it. Free reading material + my favorite characters? Yes please!

Ugh, I second that. I find them very difficult. I was going to force myself in my new fic to get a bit more... explicit. Of course, with the fanfiction.net crackdown, I may reconsider.

Your pic looks great, Dunquixote. Wow, wish I had such skills. The woman in the cloak just look so cooool!

Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 juin 2012 - 06:49 .

[Dunquixote]

Thanks R2! I'm sure you would do better. All I did was cut and paste and excessive cropping and erasing. Then, I messed around with the filter and blend effects. [It didn't come with an instruction booklet T_T; I did buy the Photoshop book for Dummies though and it helped a lot, though the instructions for some techniques was really confusing that I still haven't figured out]. The WoW Model View helped me with the outfits. I really hated all of the mage robes and helms in DA2, so,having played WoW, I remember all of those pretty (before Lich King expansion) priest and other caster robes, so I thought, why not try copying and pasting it and modifying it as much as I could to make it blend well with the rest of the image. I wanted my mage to have a hood that covers her face, because I keep imagining how she and Cullen will meet. I imagine her to wear a different style of robes that differ from the Circle of Magi robes and that does not wear anything that one would necessarily associate with a missing renowned figure. I imagine her removing her hood when she approaches Cullen, and how Cullen would react to seeing the face of his former love.

I rather have been able to make my own robes, but I couldn't exactly picture how I'd want the robes look like (I had very vague ideas in mind, but either way, I'm no artist and I don't know how to make your own stuff in photoshop that look like it was from a video game rather than something that an individual made on their own for casual purposes).

Either way, the model viewer gave me more choices in her clothing than dragon age does.  Since she was siding with the templars, I thought having her wear robes that somewhat resembled the chantry priest robes would be appropriate; also something that would conceal somewhat that she was a mage Or clearly state her allegiance even as a mage.

Oh... There's a crackdown on fanfic.net? Well, that means I'll need to edit the first (excluding the prologue) chapter for my sequel. :| It was somewhat explicit; I was a little more satisfied with that one too...

Modifié par Dunquixote, 22 juin 2012 - 07:15 .

[berelinde]

Has anybody else ever wondered why Cullen gets so flustered around women? I mean, he can't even talk about them to another man.

I wonder if a revered mother caught him fantasizing about a girl at an awkward moment and lectured him in a way that scarred him for life. "The Maker sees you when you do that. There's no place at his side for those who harbor such thoughts." etc.

Cullen's self-conscious fumbling is extreme even for modern audiences, but Thedas isn't earth. They don't have the hangups that we've got, and they don't seem to regard abstinence as being particularly virtuous. It's more that chantry sisters are the symbolic brides of the Maker, so they're already married. For Cullen to have developed such a profound case of the bashfuls, it must have really been something. Maybe there was some reason he shouldn't have been fantasizing about the person or something.

[Dunquixote]

To me, he's what I'd classify as a true gentleman and "knight in shining armor." But, that might just be me fancying him as such. ^.^ and the way he told my mage how he used to dream of being a knight--for "foolish naive" reasons only a young boy would think of--which to me, I'd say is one where one is doing heroic deeds including protecting women and the defenseless--without realizing the commitment being a templar actually meant. -sigh- I love Cullen.

Even by the time he's in Kirkwall for a few years, I think he probably still is getting used to being around women in the templar ranks--after all, when he was in Fereldan, there were only men in the templars, and he was 24. So, most of his life can be said to be spent around men, even though there were obviously female mages in the tower, that's different because of the conduct that's expected of templars around mages.

[brushyourteeth]

The Chantry still seems to uphold chastity as a virtue since Leliana tells us that full Chantry brothers and sisters are required to abstain from sex. Zevran's obviously had a few run-ins with people who had religious reasons for not sharing their beds with anyone because he has his whole "the Maker gave us these bodies and wants us to enjoy them" schpiel.

So the Chantry tolerates Templar dalliances but I really don't think they endorse them. Sex still seems to be kind of a hang up, at least for people deeply involved in the Chantry. When you flooze yourself at Sebastian and he's all "I think I need to pray. A lot." that says something about the way Chantry men are supposed to regard women in their thought life. Otherwise he'd just be all "I can't act on that but mmm... yummers!"

[Dunquixote]

lmfao! "mmm...yummers!" hehe cute.

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

The Chantry still seems to uphold chastity as a virtue since Leliana tells us that full Chantry brothers and sisters are required to abstain from sex. Zevran's obviously had a few run-ins with people who had religious reasons for not sharing their beds with anyone because he has his whole "the Maker gave us these bodies and wants us to enjoy them" schpiel.

So the Chantry tolerates Templar dalliances but I really don't think they endorse them. Sex still seems to be kind of a hang up, at least for people deeply involved in the Chantry. When you flooze yourself at Sebastian and he's all "I think I need to pray. A lot." that says something about the way Chantry men are supposed to regard women in their thought life. Otherwise he'd just be all "I can't act on that but mmm... yummers!"

Yes, for brothers and sisters their vows include either chastity or celebacy (the Sebastian short story name checks both). But, for templars, you know, I also get the impression that it's generally frowned upon, even if not forbidden. You can read DG's thing on templars and chastity for ye olde actual words from God, but there are also little mentions elsewhere. Like in Dragon Age: Redemption, the templar dude says he's married to Andraste. Not strictly true, and probably not quite canon anyway, but I bet the sentiment is sorta true.

I wonder if we could also read a bit of Alistair's training in gentlemany ways as this same thing. Doesn't he say at some point, when he turns down your lascivious proposition, that he basically was taught better than that?

[Dunquixote]

I wonder if Alistair will ever find out who (not going to say because of spoiler) his mother really is.

[R2s Muse]

Dunquixote wrote...

I wonder if Alistair will ever find out who (not going to say because of spoiler) his mother really is.

I'm also dying to know. Although...  I think this fact has been spoiled numerous times on the Board already. LOL

I hope they finally tell us in the comics when they hopefully bring some resolution to the Maric storyline.

I have Stolen Throne sitting on my kindle, unread so far. Looking forward to young,  hottie Loghain.

[Dunquixote]

I still haven't finished reading that one. It bothers me a little, even though it is just a story and even historically (outside of video games) that Kings and Queens loved someone else, knowing Maric would fall in love with -- forgive me again for spoilers-- someone other than his Queen, and his best friend have an affair with Rowan, it really seems a bit repulsive to me.

[R2s Muse]

Dunquixote wrote...

I still haven't finished reading that one. It bothers me a little, even though it is just a story and even historically (outside of video games) that Kings and Queens loved someone else, knowing Maric would fall in love with -- forgive me again for spoilers-- someone other than his Queen, and his best friend have an affair with Rowan, it really seems a bit repulsive to me.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes it's too hard for me to read about characters not ending up with the "right" people. It can be too tragic. But, if it's done well, I  personally am intrigued by the notion that you can love many people in different ways. So we'll have to see how it's done in that book!

[Dunquixote]

Good point. I'm really glad you --- and everyone else in this thread, had recommended me to read the books. To be quite honest, as big of a Dragon Age fan as I am, because I've seen how books written on a video game or on its lore looked like, I assumed it wouldn't be very "original." For example, when I looked at the Metal Gear Solid books that were released after the game was out for awhile, I thought it looked rather disappointing and too easy to read. The Star Wars books--many that are not written by the same, original author, disappointed me when I was still a kid (though I never understood it then) how different it was from the original story--the writing style. Partially because of that reason and any possibility of the different author changing facts or distorting content from the original story, that a friend that I'm waiting for input on my story, told me she was skeptical about fanfictions. I never read any of the World of Warcraft lore to say whether or not that disappointed me, but I've heard the lore was very good and consistent, if that's the right word.

But, that was not the case at all. I apologize -- if David Gaider sees this, for ever doubting his writing talent outside of developing the DA games. Even though they were easy reads, I found it easy to match it with my experience playing the games. The detail wasn't too lengthy, but enough to be able to imagine the situations (I do love description); and there wasn't an excess of dialogue where there was less room for imagery. It was very well-balanced. I was able to understand a character's intentions and thoughts through the alternative way of expressing their feelings and actions.

[MissRedZelda]

(Casually strolls in) Soooooo... what did I miss?

Sadly, I haven't ready much of the surrounding material in the DA universe. I honestly think it'll be a while until I get my hands on Dawn of the Seeker. My country is sadly usually the last to get that stuff. Which is why it was weird that The Avengers came out here before it did in the US...

[Dunquixote]

I'm not sure if I plan on seeing Dawn of the Seeker myself. I don't have the earlier comics (since they're not written by David Gaider, I don't think I plan on reading those ones) and I don't have a Kindle or Nook for the Silent Grove. I really wish Isabella wasn't picked to be in it. <.<

[R2s Muse]

Dunquixote wrote...

I'm not sure if I plan on seeing Dawn of the Seeker myself. I don't have the earlier comics (since they're not written by David Gaider, I don't think I plan on reading those ones) and I don't have a Kindle or Nook for the Silent Grove. I really wish Isabella wasn't picked to be in it. <.<

BTW, you can read Silent Grove on any (at least PC?) computer; you don't need an e-reader. It was just a feature that you could also read it that way. But, if you buy them at darkhorse.com you can read them right there. I got a free code for (I think) the first issue with my Dawn of the Seeker DVD, if anyone would like to have it. Dunno if there are country issues for those.

re: Dawn of the Seeker, I'm still surprised it isn't available in more countries! I got it on amazon.com before I realized I could download it from iTunes. *le sigh* It was interesting, though, IMO.

re: the first DA:O comics (the Orson Scott Card ones)... I just picked those up recently and honestly, don't think I can personally recommend them. But, I thought Silent Grove was fascinating.. if ... short.

[R2s Muse]

MissRedZelda wrote...

(Casually strolls in) Soooooo... what did I miss?
..

LOL talkin about sex, as usual. Berelinde developed a multiple choice selection for his "past."

Chime in!

Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 juin 2012 - 11:38 .

[Dunquixote]

=) I'm glad to hear they're all good except the Orson Scott ones (I figured they wouldn't be as good as the original writer--DG's XD; yeah, I know that's not very respectful or nice of me to say,,, ).   Ever since I started watching anime years back and watched some movies relative to the series, I have always had the impression that anything that makes movies based on either video games or to go along with a television series, that they're going to suck. ><.

Modifié par Dunquixote, 22 juin 2012 - 11:42 .

[vieralynn]

berelinde wrote...

Has anybody else ever wondered why Cullen gets so flustered around women? I mean, he can't even talk about them to another man.

I wonder if a revered mother caught him fantasizing about a girl at an awkward moment and lectured him in a way that scarred him for life. "The Maker sees you when you do that. There's no place at his side for those who harbor such thoughts." etc.

Cullen's self-conscious fumbling is extreme even for modern audiences, but Thedas isn't earth. They don't have the hangups that we've got, and they don't seem to regard abstinence as being particularly virtuous. It's more that chantry sisters are the symbolic brides of the Maker, so they're already married. For Cullen to have developed such a profound case of the bashfuls, it must have really been something. Maybe there was some reason he shouldn't have been fantasizing about the person or something.

Actually, I don't think Cullen gets flustered around women in general, but we just get to see two instances where situations fluster him and people run with this as a defining trait (sort of like Alistair and Cheese).

Regarding the female mage in the mage origin story, she has two very interesting dialogue options right after Cullen says, "Oh, um, h-hello. I... uh, am glad to see your Harrowing went smoothly."  Her options are:

1.  I need to go.   
2.  Hello, Cullen.   
3.  Why are you stuttering?    
4.  What do you care?   

The 2nd implies that she already knows him by name and the 3rd implies that he normally does not stutter. Therefore, Cullen and the mage have at least had very brief conversations before her harrowing and stuttering/flustered behavior was not involved.  

This isn't to say that he wasn't awkward around her -- we just don't know -- but the stuttering seems to be a result of something else. And, yes, he stutters his way through the entire conversation with her so it is clearly something big. But what is it?

The *only* other times where we see Cullen stumble on his words are oncein the male mage origin where he says:   "I am Cullen. I was to strike the killing blow if you had… become an abomination.  I am glad you didn’t" and during the Wilmod's camp scene when Cullen has an equally small stutter when talking about the Blooming Rose.

We never see him stutter when talking to other women (Meredith, fem!Hawke, etc.) or when talking about other women (Meredith, Elthina, Aveline, his memories of fem!Amell!Warden).  Admitelly, Mereidth and Elthina might not be the sort of women we would expect to cause feelings that would make him flustered, but he speaks quite normally to fem!Hawke and when speaking to/about Aveline.

If the writers put thought into Cullen's stuttering -- specific rules for when he is likely to stutter and when not -- it seems that sex and death are the triggers. The broken circle quest clearly establishes that the fem mage was the "one thing he wanted that he could never have" -- that he was sexually attracted to her, and the ladies at the Rose are quite directly selling sex. As for the death part, the thought of the male mage becoming an abomination -- something no longer human -- and needing to be killed was enough to cause a small stutter. No doubt the mix of desires for sex and narrowly escaped death left Cullen a completely mess when speaking with the fem mage during the origin.

But these are the only points in the script where he becomes flustered. The rest of the time, speaking with or about women doesn't bother him.

Modifié par vieralynn, 23 juin 2012 - 12:06 .