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motomotogirl wrote...

I think what would truly upset me the most is if Cullen's character regressed and he was presented to us as just a mage-hater or a blind tempalr/Lambert (is that his name?) supporter.

That really would upset me. Not that I'd take the streets or even write out an angry tweet, but I'd be deeply disappointed.


Personally  I dont  care what he supports or hates I've been waiting to have him as a companion for a long time I would take him as he is
after all no one is perfect right?

Modifié par ag99, 04 juillet 2013 - 03:49 .


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holy crap i just watched a video on youtube of Dragon's Dogma character creation I SOOO WANT THAT IN DAI

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Yes it's fantastic, the best I've ever seen/played :)

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yea i hope we get lucky enough to have that kind of "system" for DAI that would be soo awesome i would spend probably an hour on making my character lol

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Well people are saying in the DA3 threads that we won't because of the cut scenes... characters have to look alike so that they can touch and kiss and such and not have clipping.

And others complain that the devs should focus more on story and game play, but I say that's stupid; CC is very important, and they'd be crazy to give us a watered down version of one.

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motomotogirl wrote...

Well people are saying in the DA3 threads that we won't because of the cut scenes... characters have to look alike so that they can touch and kiss and such and not have clipping.

And others complain that the devs should focus more on story and game play, but I say that's stupid; CC is very important, and they'd be crazy to give us a watered down version of one.


Well it kinda depends on how the cutscenes are like for example in my class we had to do a wannabe combat animation with 2 characters  both with diffrent body types  and then we had to switch them with others  and if its done right regardless of the body type it shouldn't have clipping so I dont think that is a good reason not to have a more complex CC like in DD

Modifié par ag99, 04 juillet 2013 - 03:54 .


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Well I hope they prove me wrong!! Because I would sing DAI's praises to high heaven if I could create the type of character I truly love. I could do it to some degree in DA:O because of the elves, but in DA2 I was limited to macho DudeBro Hawke. Super frustrating. (And despite that, DA2 is my favorite game.)

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Imagine... Dragon's Dogma's character creation... in Skyrim's world... with DA's writing, characters, and romance.

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motomotogirl wrote...

Imagine... Dragon's Dogma's character creation... in Skyrim's world... with DA's writing, characters, and romance.


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:lol: Forgot to add... with ME's soundtrack :D

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Ugh...I just realized that I really need to learn how to use my tablet and get this drawing thing down with photoshop already...grrr

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motomotogirl wrote...

I think what would truly upset me the most is if Cullen's character regressed and he was presented to us as just a mage-hater or a blind tempalr/Lambert (is that his name?) supporter.

That really would upset me. Not that I'd take the streets or even write out an angry tweet, but I'd be deeply disappointed.


Is that really regression though..? It's kinda hard to know what he really feels about mages, in his dealings with Hawke he is very official and doesn't let anything slip.

I agree that if we get a shallow character in the game who is just spouting templar propaganda, that would be awful. Can't see them doing that though, Fenris wasn't shallow despite being a mage-hater/templar supporter. Bioware rarely make characters who are "presented to us as just a...".

I wouldn't mind Cullen being blind or stupid in the game, in fact I think it's the flaws that make the characters believable. I loved that Aveline, my hero, turned a blind eye to her guards being accused of rape by an elf girl. Not because it's okay to do so, certainly, but because she isn't perfect just because she's a hero. I love that about Bioware's writing. Would it make him less attractive to me? Of course, but it would also make him more human, and that's a trade I'm willing to make.

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Commander Kurt wrote...

Is that really regression though..? It's kinda hard to know what he really feels about mages, in his dealings with Hawke he is very official and doesn't let anything slip.

I agree that if we get a shallow character in the game who is just spouting templar propaganda, that would be awful. Can't see them doing that though, Fenris wasn't shallow despite being a mage-hater/templar supporter. Bioware rarely make characters who are "presented to us as just a...".

I wouldn't mind Cullen being blind or stupid in the game, in fact I think it's the flaws that make the characters believable. I loved that Aveline, my hero, turned a blind eye to her guards being accused of rape by an elf girl. Not because it's okay to do so, certainly, but because she isn't perfect just because she's a hero. I love that about Bioware's writing. Would it make him less attractive to me? Of course, but it would also make him more human, and that's a trade I'm willing to make.


I agree. ^^ With what little we've heard about DA3 so far and the trailer, I can't see what happened to him in the circle being completely washed away, especially with demons being more numerous and mages revolting. A balance would be nice meaning he isn't going to take any crap from blood magic/possession and yet not condemn them all for the mistakes of some. I'd like to see that come into play in some way, even if it's just a moment of weakness during a conversation. Seeing how far he had come in DA2 was a proud moment and I cheered him on and it made me admire and adore him more. 

But it being Bioware, I see there being some issue if he's a romance. xD But something that will hopefully make him even better as a person. Even if my heart is broken and he's not even a companion, I'm excited to see his story continue.

(I play Dragon's Dogma on Ps3 if anyone wants to nab my pawn. Level 20 mage. Username Ambuller)

Modifié par Alistairschica, 04 juillet 2013 - 06:52 .


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That's not what I'm saying.

In DA2, Cullen is at times conflicted over how to deal with mages or mage-haters (Meredith). There are others here who are better at producing quotes to prove that. Suffice it to say, he's not the "KILL ALL THE MAGES!!!" guy that his haters make him out to be.

Obviously I am not saying that I want Cullen to be all "I love mages, omg!! Free them all!!" in DA3; in fact, I'm not saying he should even approve of mage freedom at all (it would be very OOC imo if he did). But if he regressed back to post-DA:O Cullen, the Cullen who was for the Right of Anullment, or Act 1 Cullen, who maniacally stated, "Mages cannot be treated like people. They aren't like you and me!" then yes, I will be annoyed.

Even the devs themselves acknowledge that Cullen often represents the middle ground.

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I mean geez, obviously I am not a fan of "perfect" characters. I love to read and write fiction myself; I know about characters with flaws. I am not into Mary Sues, you know.

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Sorry if I offended, moto.

And I agree that he isn't "KILL ALL THE MAGES!", but he does support the right of annulment in the end (he does seem reluctant about it, but we don't know anything about his actual thoughts on the matter) and I don't see anything in the game that suggests that he's left the "mages aren't people like you and me" views behind. I mean, he might have, or he might do so after the end of DA2, but it isn't expressed in the game at this point.

All I'm saying is that the character is certainly open to be almost anywhere on the mage freedom! - mage extermination! scale at this point. Being disappointed if he leans heavily one way or the other is fine and dandy (I prefer him to be more templar than middle-ground for instance), but I don't agree that it's "regression" since we don't even know where he stood to start with.

You don't want him to have the particular flaws that he did in DA2, and that's fine. I just said that I don't agree, I want him to be flawed and those work just fine for me.

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Alistairschica wrote...

But it being Bioware, I see there being some issue if he's a romance. xD But something that will hopefully make him even better as a person. Even if my heart is broken and he's not even a companion, I'm excited to see his story continue.

(I play Dragon's Dogma on Ps3 if anyone wants to nab my pawn. Level 20 mage. Username Ambuller)


This is interesting to speculate on, if he is a LI then how will they wrangle the tears they need for their coffee out of us? Image IPB His romance will have to be heartbreaking because, well, so how will they do it?

Lack of lyrium slowly driving him insane could be one way (this would actually make me cry, if done right). Such opportunity for RL connections, such a great nod to the lore, and such a strong subject.

Death, of course, but that feels a bit dated. Or could it be done in a way that felt new?

Him leaving, due to differences of opinion or something else?

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Me, being such a fan of angst, wishes that there could be something special for those who romance him as a mage. Like him sacrificing himself to save their life at the end or something. *dodges thrown objects* Not that I want him to die. xD Lord no, especially if we finally get our hands on him~ but the potential for heartache and love that will leave you sobbing on the floor can make the romance up to that point so much sweeter. Or I'm just twisted. Take you're pick. lol

I just don't see how they would make a romance between him and a mage work as far as it being forbidden. So if it is a possibility, I'm going into it expecting a terrible outcome. Maybe any other class could be normal but I doubt that they'd put resources into that.

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Hehehe, I woman after my own heart! Of course, I'd want the option of preventing him from dying... kinda wanna keep him and my next protagonist together.

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Happy Independence day! Please don't drown any more of our tea, it's a sacred thing! :lol:<3

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Alistairschica wrote...

Me, being such a fan of angst, wishes that there could be something special for those who romance him as a mage. Like him sacrificing himself to save their life at the end or something. *dodges thrown objects* Not that I want him to die. xD Lord no, especially if we finally get our hands on him~ but the potential for heartache and love that will leave you sobbing on the floor can make the romance up to that point so much sweeter. Or I'm just twisted. Take you're pick. lol

I just don't see how they would make a romance between him and a mage work as far as it being forbidden. So if it is a possibility, I'm going into it expecting a terrible outcome. Maybe any other class could be normal but I doubt that they'd put resources into that.


I loved Alistair for shoving me aside to take the blow, but wouldn't this be sort of similar to that? I also love Cullen's stand by the end of DA2, "You'll have to go through me" was insanely sexy, so it wouldn't be OOC at least. I can certainly see it, and I would probably be drooling if it did happen, but I would like them to make it unique in some way.

Oooh, maybe a bloodmage would need to use his lifeforce to save themselves. Would that work with the lore? That would be twisted, him finally surrendering to blood magic. Talk about the ultimate sacrifice.

I do agree with Lola in that it should be possible to get a happy ending if you play your cards right, DAO did it really well imo.

Yeah, I have some issues with him and a mage living happily ever after, but R2 has made some good points in this thread about the circles, and by extension the rules, being gone by the time DAI starts.

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LolaLei wrote...

Hehehe, I woman after my own heart! Of course, I'd want the option of preventing him from dying... kinda wanna keep him and my next protagonist together.


:blush:  ^_^  Angst just gives me another excuse to eat chocolate.


@Commander Kurt:

I thought about the Alistair bit but I think the whole 'a templar dying for the mage he loves' could be unique if done right, maybe witnessed by both factions that could motivate a truce to some extent. Maybe your actions throughout the game could determine whether it held or not. A bittersweet payoff for that ending at least. The only bad thing about giving me a choice to save them is that I never let them die. I have never, and will never, let Alistair take the blow for me, and barely managed to sit through it on youtube. Having him wander off as a drunk was horrible enough. 

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I agree. ^^ With what little we've heard about DA3 so far and the trailer, I can't see what happened to him in the circle being completely washed away, especially with demons being more numerous and mages revolting. A balance would be nice meaning he isn't going to take any crap from blood magic/possession and yet not condemn them all for the mistakes of some. I'd like to see that come into play in some way, even if it's just a moment of weakness during a conversation. Seeing how far he had come in DA2 was a proud moment and I cheered him on and it made me admire and adore him more. 

But it being Bioware, I see there being some issue if he's a romance. xD But something that will hopefully make him even better as a person. Even if my heart is broken and he's not even a companion, I'm excited to see his story continue.

(I play Dragon's Dogma on Ps3 if anyone wants to nab my pawn. Level 20 mage. Username Ambuller)

whoa, I'm on the ps3 :o I'm level 19 atm and I'm short on RC but when I manage to level up myself a bit I'll try to nab him. My pawn is also a mage, and I usually go for a party of 2 mages but for a moment I'm rolling with a fighter and a warrior and I'm enjoying it a lot. My ID is killmequickly1, that's my boyfriend's sense of humour... <_<

As for Cullen, I don't see them going into extremes (a la "kill them all" or "blood mages best friend"). Yet his sense of duty and strong mistrust of mages and magic as it is are important part of his character and I always liked him this way. As long as he is in the DAI and plays a major role that is not ooc, I will accept anything. They will probably make all LIs accessible to all classess since it is more cost effective. If then they will decide to vary bits and pieces depending on different factors, I'm up for it. His romance with mage pc could be on the hard/impossible side, maybe destined to fail, with some dramatic outcome (like him dumping you a la Alistair in DAO). I will be psyched even if he is non-romanceable as long as he is there for more than few mins cameo :]

Modifié par neonmoth, 04 juillet 2013 - 11:45 .


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Sorry if I offended, moto.

And I agree that he isn't "KILL ALL THE MAGES!", but he does support the right of annulment in the end (he does seem reluctant about it, but we don't know anything about his actual thoughts on the matter) and I don't see anything in the game that suggests that he's left the "mages aren't people like you and me" views behind. I mean, he might have, or he might do so after the end of DA2, but it isn't expressed in the game at this point.

All I'm saying is that the character is certainly open to be almost anywhere on the mage freedom! - mage extermination! scale at this point. Being disappointed if he leans heavily one way or the other is fine and dandy (I prefer him to be more templar than middle-ground for instance), but I don't agree that it's "regression" since we don't even know where he stood to start with.

You don't want him to have the particular flaws that he did in DA2, and that's fine. I just said that I don't agree, I want him to be flawed and those work just fine for me.

This isn't strictly true, though. We do know what he thinks about the Right of Annulment because Hawke can ask him what he thinks. He questions directly Meredith's use of the Right of Annulment in the pro-templar ending when the three mages try to surrender. Of course, we don't know what he would do independent of Hawke's interference (since of course, it's the PC's game), but in this scene we see very clearly that he doesn't think the mages should be killed. He thinks they should instead  be watched, citing his experience in Ferelden as being much worse. So although he's been following through with Meredith's orders to execute the annulment, he does override her in that scene. Plus, this isn't the only doubt he shows at the end. So, I think it would be a stretch to say he's still "rawr, kill all the mages," or even kill all the Kirkwall mages, based on the evidence.

Of course, those lines of his *could* all be red herrings from the writers, and he could secretly still be the hardliner, don't let a single one survive, like he was during Broken Circle... but that's not how I would extrapolate the existing data.

edited to add: Now, I'm not saying he wouldn't support the use of the Right if it were warranted...  I'm just saying that he shows evidence that he doesn't think it's warranted in Kirkwall that day.  Just as I see him still being pro-Circle at the end of DA2, I would also see him using the Right when all hope is lost.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 04 juillet 2013 - 12:14 .


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Alistairschica wrote...

Hello, ladies~

Sorry to poke my nose in. New to this thread but not to Cullen love. Dat Templar. This has probably been brought before but I was wondering what ya'll would like to see a possible romance with him involve. I'm keeping my hopes low so that I don't get crushed yet again.

Since he was clearly in love with Amell, would you want that to be an issue? Especially with a mage Inquisitor or would you rather it not be mentioned at all?

That question popped into my head while playing Witch Hunt yesterday. Going back to the Tower after being gone for so long only to hear those two NPC:
"Too bad Cullen's not here."
"He's not still carrying a torch for her, is he?"

All the times I've played it, and I never heard that. Lord, that 'romance' is heartbreaking.


First, welcome! We love newcomers.

On the Amell romance, I think you bring up a potentially sticky point about his inclusion as a romance. Not because I think it's clear that he was actually involved with Amell (because I don't think the game supports that it was more than an unrequited crush) but because there are lots of Wardens that headcanon that it did. I think his mentions of Amell in DA2 make it seem like he remembers her fondly, like many do with a first crush, but I would hope that it wouldn't be treated as more than that moving forward. But who knows...