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[Lord Xendria]

About Wynne's spirit being corrupted. I'm not sure. At least she never felt anything negative from it, and she did describe it as a feeling of safeness (hahahah, just remember Zevran's conversation with her about it).

And another thing I wonder about it. Did they retcon what happens when a spirit is inside you, or was she a special case? Because every time she heavily used its powers, it seemed to be fading/dying.

And they never brought up that happening with Justice.

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I don't mind male or female strippers. I find both pleasing, but both can be funny, too. Depending on the presentation, I guess. I also just love watching people pole dance! Whether they're strippers, or not. Some have turned it into an artform, whether they're strippers, doing it for the exercise, or using it as another dance medium.

But video games definitely have more bewbs thrust into my character's face. I'd prefer nothing thrust into my face. But if I have to see half-naked women-folk, it's only fair to throw in a shirtless hot man scene.

Which is why I highly hope they bring back nudie cutscenes in DA:I. Just think of their bodies on that new engine! There might be a higher chance of them having -different- bodies with their own unique markings, scars, etc.. As opposed to Origins where they all had the same body type depending on race.

[LolaLei]

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Latest Cat Lady LP video is up:



I promise I'll get another DA video out soon, now my sleeping patterns are near enough back to normal it'll be easier to find time when the house isn't full of people.

I finally got a chance to check out one of your videos!!! And I have catching up to do. Today has been a Youtube day for me. I gotta say, watching that game you were playing was kind of... not stimulating, save for your commentary! And the nurse. She does sound like Eve and she rambles like Merrill. She made me go "Did you really just say that?!" a couple of times. haha! And the attending physician that visits Susan's bed sounds a bit like Steve Valentine to me. Nice post!

Edit: Sorry. I know that was totally random but I just got back on and catching up is nigh impossible. What's new?

Lol, it's certainly a slow burner! It's definitely interesting, but I may have yawned a few times during the recording. It's incredibly difficult to be entertaining during something that depressing... probably wasn't my best choice of first ever LP! 

[LolaLei]

Lord Xendria wrote...

About Wynne's spirit being corrupted. I'm not sure. At least she never felt anything negative from it, and she did describe it as a feeling of safeness (hahahah, just remember Zevran's conversation with her about it).

And another thing I wonder about it. Did they retcon what happens when a spirit is inside you, or was she a special case? Because every time she heavily used its powers, it seemed to be fading/dying.

And they never brought up that happening with Justice.

I think Wynne's spirit was probably uncorrupted since she was pretty old anyway and much more calm/wise than she would have been if it had "possessed" her during her youth. Plus, she was near death when the spirit came to her aid so it was probably taking all its energy keeping her alive, thus leaving little for it to be corrupted by.

[Lord Xendria]

LolaLei wrote...

Lord Xendria wrote...

About Wynne's spirit being corrupted. I'm not sure. At least she never felt anything negative from it, and she did describe it as a feeling of safeness (hahahah, just remember Zevran's conversation with her about it).

And another thing I wonder about it. Did they retcon what happens when a spirit is inside you, or was she a special case? Because every time she heavily used its powers, it seemed to be fading/dying.

And they never brought up that happening with Justice.

I think Wynne's spirit was probably uncorrupted since she was pretty old anyway and much more calm/wise than she would have been if it had "possessed" her during her youth. Plus, she was near death when the spirit came to her aid so it was probably taking all its energy keeping her alive, thus leaving little for it to be corrupted by.

Ahhh, yes. But Justice sort of did that regarding Anders in that short story where he was stabbed thru the chest, but lived. Made me think maybe Justice is keeping Anders alive, too, in some way. Because it seemed like he should of died from that blow. And all those times Anders gets angry or upset and Justice pops out in fiery blue glory, he never seemed to be weakening, only getting stronger.

[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Notice the url for that image. It's in a place called hero.img.jpg Now I wonder, which hero?? Unless that's just a generic character string...
http://www.dragonage...70904002718.jpg

Fascinating find, as usual 

I still say... it is significant that the person is holding the helmet out to "you." The person is also holding the scabbard of the sword; "his" other arm is down... thus, is not the person drawing the sword. "You" are.

I think the unseen "you" is the hero, and the cloaked figure is either just a placeholder/non-character or a "he" will be a quest giver of some sort. "He" could also be a villain.  

The rings, yes, some say it could represent your chosen origins. OR (I think) they represent the factions you will have to unite.

I think your explanation is a little more likely imo, but you never know right? The Inquisition could also have a cult like structure explaining why they're hooded. Like you have to take a blood oath in an underground sanctuary surrounded by your allies.

Something tells me that the Inquisition has been around in some form for years outside the Chantry's influence and involves some important characters.

[Lord Xendria]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Notice the url for that image. It's in a place called hero.img.jpg Now I wonder, which hero?? Unless that's just a generic character string...
http://www.dragonage...70904002718.jpg

Fascinating find, as usual 

I still say... it is significant that the person is holding the helmet out to "you." The person is also holding the scabbard of the sword; "his" other arm is down... thus, is not the person drawing the sword. "You" are.

I think the unseen "you" is the hero, and the cloaked figure is either just a placeholder/non-character or a "he" will be a quest giver of some sort. "He" could also be a villain.  

The rings, yes, some say it could represent your chosen origins. OR (I think) they represent the factions you will have to unite.

I think your explanation is a little more likely imo, but you never know right? The Inquisition could also have a cult like structure explaining why they're hooded. Like you have to take a blood oath in an underground sanctuary surrounded by your allies.

Something tells me that the Inquisition has been around in some form for years outside the Chantry's influence and involves some important characters.

One would figure also that when the Inquisition decided to join the Chantry, I doubt -all- were in agreement within it to do that. There had to be some people who didn't do it or didn't want to. Being an independent self-governing faction all that time, or so it seemed, and then all of a sudden breaking apart to follow the orders of a new religious group.

[LolaLei]

Lord Xendria wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Lord Xendria wrote...

About Wynne's spirit being corrupted. I'm not sure. At least she never felt anything negative from it, and she did describe it as a feeling of safeness (hahahah, just remember Zevran's conversation with her about it).

And another thing I wonder about it. Did they retcon what happens when a spirit is inside you, or was she a special case? Because every time she heavily used its powers, it seemed to be fading/dying.

And they never brought up that happening with Justice.

I think Wynne's spirit was probably uncorrupted since she was pretty old anyway and much more calm/wise than she would have been if it had "possessed" her during her youth. Plus, she was near death when the spirit came to her aid so it was probably taking all its energy keeping her alive, thus leaving little for it to be corrupted by.

Ahhh, yes. But Justice sort of did that regarding Anders in that short story where he was stabbed thru the chest, but lived. Made me think maybe Justice is keeping Anders alive, too, in some way. Because it seemed like he should of died from that blow. And all those times Anders gets angry or upset and Justice pops out in fiery blue glory, he never seemed to be weakening, only getting stronger.

And yet he died when Hawke stabs him... supposedly. Maybe he still had enough control to let himself die from that wound.

[SamaraDraven]

I think Wynne's resident was smaller and less powerful than Justice seems to be. Plus she was near death and she draws on its power to augment her own. Perhaps the strength of the spirit matters in regards to this? Maybe Wynne had actually died so the spirit was keeping her body going constantly, like auxiliary battery and having to ward off necrosis and whatnot of being in a dead host whereas Justice came to Anders who was injured instead of a corpse. I dunno. Just my thoughts.

[Lord Xendria]

SamaraDraven wrote...

I think Wynne's resident was smaller and less powerful than Justice seems to be. Plus she was near death and she draws on its power to augment her own. Perhaps the strength of the spirit matters in regards to this? Maybe Wynne had actually died so the spirit was keeping her body going constantly, like auxiliary battery and having to ward off necrosis and whatnot of being in a dead host whereas Justice came to Anders who was injured instead of a corpse. I dunno. Just my thoughts.

I think I read somewhere that the best spirit for a spirit healer to work with is a spirit of Faith because they're supposedly one of, if not the most, powerful of the spirits. Not sure where Justice ranks, but he definitely comes across as at least having more energy to spare. It could of been Faith bleeding out because of all the work and energy it took maintaining Wynne's life. But once Justice merged with Anders, Anders was stabbed thru the chest, and lived. That had to of taken up some energy to fix. Lots of contradictory things in the lore/plots, I guess.

Was thinking more about how it didn't seem Faith was corrupted inside Wynne. Justice usually seems normal when Anders is calm, it looks like he only turns into Vengeance when Anders is upset, or panicing, or angry. Since Wynne was usually calm, and mostly at peace with herself later in life, that could also be why memories and emotions didn't do anything to Faith.

[R2s Muse]

ag99 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

So checking out da.com in vain for a change and noticed two minor things for the first time.

1. What the hell is anonymous wearing in this image?? Just noticed the fuzzy grey fleece robe sleeves. It's like a grey snuggie...  (right click, view image, to see it big)

2. Notice the url for that image. It's in a place called hero.img.jpg Now I wonder, which hero?? Unless that's just a generic character string...
http://www.dragonage...70904002718.jpg

i think the robe thing was there before and as for the hero thing.... idk i guess that might be our misterious protagonist?

I'm not suggesting it's new. Just that I never noticed the robe. It's not very armor like. Purposely a robe? Or purposely generic? I seriously doubt it's our protagonist. But hero is tantalizing...

Modifié par R2s Muse, 07 juillet 2013 - 12:41 .

[Danny Boy 7]

Lord Xendria wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Lord Xendria wrote...

About Wynne's spirit being corrupted. I'm not sure. At least she never felt anything negative from it, and she did describe it as a feeling of safeness (hahahah, just remember Zevran's conversation with her about it).

And another thing I wonder about it. Did they retcon what happens when a spirit is inside you, or was she a special case? Because every time she heavily used its powers, it seemed to be fading/dying.

And they never brought up that happening with Justice.

I think Wynne's spirit was probably uncorrupted since she was pretty old anyway and much more calm/wise than she would have been if it had "possessed" her during her youth. Plus, she was near death when the spirit came to her aid so it was probably taking all its energy keeping her alive, thus leaving little for it to be corrupted by.

Ahhh, yes. But Justice sort of did that regarding Anders in that short story where he was stabbed thru the chest, but lived. Made me think maybe Justice is keeping Anders alive, too, in some way. Because it seemed like he should of died from that blow. And all those times Anders gets angry or upset and Justice pops out in fiery blue glory, he never seemed to be weakening, only getting stronger.

It might be that Wynne died and then was possessed as opposed to Anders who was possessed and is then killed. Difference being that Wynne's spirit needed to bind Wynne's....er uh spirit to her body and the constant process seems to put a strain on it. Justice on the other hand isn't trying to keep Anders tied to Thedas.

It also seems like Wynne simply had greater control of her particular spirit but that theory is dependent on whether or not the spirit becomes corrupted by Evangeline.

[R2s Muse]

On the spirit vs. demon question, I always come back to the Chant of Light.

The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil
And grew jealous of the life
They could not feel, could not touch.
In blackest envy were the demons born.
-Erudition 2:1

It always makes me think that demons and spirits are more of a continuum. Not necessarily identical, but that perhaps demons really are just twisted by their envy of the human world.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 07 juillet 2013 - 12:53 .

[Danny Boy 7]

Lord Xendria wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Notice the url for that image. It's in a place called hero.img.jpg Now I wonder, which hero?? Unless that's just a generic character string...
http://www.dragonage...70904002718.jpg

Fascinating find, as usual 

I still say... it is significant that the person is holding the helmet out to "you." The person is also holding the scabbard of the sword; "his" other arm is down... thus, is not the person drawing the sword. "You" are.

I think the unseen "you" is the hero, and the cloaked figure is either just a placeholder/non-character or a "he" will be a quest giver of some sort. "He" could also be a villain.  

The rings, yes, some say it could represent your chosen origins. OR (I think) they represent the factions you will have to unite.

I think your explanation is a little more likely imo, but you never know right? The Inquisition could also have a cult like structure explaining why they're hooded. Like you have to take a blood oath in an underground sanctuary surrounded by your allies.

Something tells me that the Inquisition has been around in some form for years outside the Chantry's influence and involves some important characters.

One would figure also that when the Inquisition decided to join the Chantry, I doubt -all- were in agreement within it to do that. There had to be some people who didn't do it or didn't want to. Being an independent self-governing faction all that time, or so it seemed, and then all of a sudden breaking apart to follow the orders of a new religious group.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the Divine as well as Cassandra, Leliana and a few others are preserving the ideals of the Inquisition? They have been to informal ish meetings but when the Mage/Templar things really started to heat up they started to have real discussions about bringing the team back together so to speak. 

It could be that the castle we get belongs to one of the members who die in the cataclysm.

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote..

The rings, yes, some say it could represent your chosen origins. OR (I think) they represent the factions you will have to unite.

Im realły skeptical that they're origins given the dev assurances about us not being aligned with the templars or the Chantry. I'm still betting on a more esoteric representation of the major factions in the game.

Lord Xendria wrote..

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Something tells me that the Inquisition has been around in some form for years outside the Chantry's influence and involves some important characters.

One would figure also that when the Inquisition decided to join the Chantry, I doubt -all- were in agreement within it to do that. There had to be some people who didn't do it or didn't want to. Being an independent self-governing faction all that time, or so it seemed, and then all of a sudden breaking apart to follow the orders of a new religious group

it would be interesting if the Inquisition continued like some kind of shadowy Illuminati. But all the DA3 verbiage makes it sound like you're creating an organization, even if you're "bringing back an inquisition" as per Aaron Flynn's IGN article. Add that to WoT's suggestion that the old Inquisitiòn was actually already called the Seekers, and I think you've already got your shadowy agents working outside Chantry law: the Seekers.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 07 juillet 2013 - 01:03 .

[Lord Xendria]

R2s Muse wrote...

On the spirit vs. demon question, I always come back to the Chant of Light.

The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil
And grew jealous of the life
They could not feel, could not touch.
In blackest envy were the demons born.
-Erudition 2:1

It always makes me think that demons and spirits are more of a continuum. Not necessarily identical, but that perhaps demons really are just twisted by their envy of the human world.

And most of the "good" spirits are said to not care much about the mortal world, so less of them end up corrupted. But on the other hand, if they were all originally "good", some of them had to care enough in order to turn. Which says, to me at least, they're all pretty damned risky to be around. One of the reasons spirit healers get watched the most in the circles.

[LolaLei]

I wonder what will become of that spirit now it's been transferred into Evangeline? An ex-templar running around with a spirit inside her... I wonder if the sheer amounts of lyrium she's been consuming for years will affect things?

[R2s Muse]

Lord Xendria wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

On the spirit vs. demon question, I always come back to the Chant of Light.

The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil
And grew jealous of the life
They could not feel, could not touch.
In blackest envy were the demons born.
-Erudition 2:1

It always makes me think that demons and spirits are more of a continuum. Not necessarily identical, but that perhaps demons really are just twisted by their envy of the human world.

And most of the "good" spirits are said to not care much about the mortal world, so less of them end up corrupted. But on the other hand, if they were all originally "good", some of them had to care enough in order to turn. Which says, to me at least, they're all pretty damned risky to be around. One of the reasons spirit healers get watched the most in the circles.

Good points. But maybe "good" is really a misnomer, since they're probably neutral at best. Like the earlier ex of Valour. Maybe all the Makers first children are ... benign spirits... Until they find they want something! 

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder what will become of that spirit now it's been transferred into Evangeline? An ex-templar running around with a spirit inside her... I wonder if the sheer amounts of lyrium she's been consuming for years will affect things?

oh man, I always forget about that. Another great reason to want to see Evangeline again. I wonder... If DG was suggesting tht Wynnes spirit is now pride... What would happen inside an ex-templar-******-freedom-fighter? 

[Lord Xendria]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder what will become of that spirit now it's been transferred into Evangeline? An ex-templar running around with a spirit inside her... I wonder if the sheer amounts of lyrium she's been consuming for years will affect things?

oh man, I always forget about that. Another great reason to want to see Evangeline again. I wonder... If DG was suggesting tht Wynnes spirit is now pride... What would happen inside an ex-templar-******-freedom-fighter? 

Well that'd definitely be tragic and dramatic. As it's Gaider. I'm sure something bad's going to happen, if it further gets mentioned at all.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder what will become of that spirit now it's been transferred into Evangeline? An ex-templar running around with a spirit inside her... I wonder if the sheer amounts of lyrium she's been consuming for years will affect things?

oh man, I always forget about that. Another great reason to want to see Evangeline again. I wonder... If DG was suggesting tht Wynnes spirit is now pride... What would happen inside an ex-templar-******-freedom-fighter? 

A reverse Anders?

What happens to that spirit when Evangeline eventually goes a bit loopy once the lyrium starts getting to her 10 or 20 years down the line? Or perhaps she'll no longer need it since the spirit is likely a lyrium battery anyway.

[SamaraDraven]

Lord Xendria wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

I think Wynne's resident was smaller and less powerful than Justice seems to be. Plus she was near death and she draws on its power to augment her own. Perhaps the strength of the spirit matters in regards to this? Maybe Wynne had actually died so the spirit was keeping her body going constantly, like auxiliary battery and having to ward off necrosis and whatnot of being in a dead host whereas Justice came to Anders who was injured instead of a corpse. I dunno. Just my thoughts.

I think I read somewhere that the best spirit for a spirit healer to work with is a spirit of Faith because they're supposedly one of, if not the most, powerful of the spirits. Not sure where Justice ranks, but he definitely comes across as at least having more energy to spare. It could of been Faith bleeding out because of all the work and energy it took maintaining Wynne's life. But once Justice merged with Anders, Anders was stabbed thru the chest, and lived. That had to of taken up some energy to fix. Lots of contradictory things in the lore/plots, I guess.

Was thinking more about how it didn't seem Faith was corrupted inside Wynne. Justice usually seems normal when Anders is calm, it looks like he only turns into Vengeance when Anders is upset, or panicing, or angry. Since Wynne was usually calm, and mostly at peace with herself later in life, that could also be why memories and emotions didn't do anything to Faith.

You make a good point. Which is why I wonder if maybe Wynne was technically dead when the spirit joined with her. Maintaing Wynne's connections to her body managing her Fade connections over time has to be taxing. At least I think so. Basically keeping Wynne cobbled together... In Anders' case, he was still alive. With Wynne, she mentions losing consciousness. Perhaps she did actually die but before she left her body, or as she was leaving her body, the spirit came along and brought her back?

Justice does seem to have quite a fire in him, though doesn't he? Yet, if he becomes too twisted by Anders' anger, he could devolve into a rage demon - one of the lowest level demons there are. That is what Anders harbors: Rage. I wonder why the devs didn't explore this?

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 07 juillet 2013 - 01:20 .

[Lord Xendria]

About the grey robed man. Could just be a representation of the shadowy organization you're about to don the mantle of. It does look like you're being presented with things, not that it's you with the things. Because everytime Inquisitor things are shown, they're wearing darker colours, not some light grey outfit. Unless that's you before you acquire the outfit and title.

[LolaLei]

Lord Xendria wrote...

About the grey robed man. Could just be a representation of the shadowy organization you're about to don the mantle of. It does look like you're being presented with things, not that it's you with the things. Because everytime Inquisitor things are shown, they're wearing darker colours, not some light grey outfit. Unless that's you before you acquire the outfit and title.

You're probably right there. Just a symbol of this whole cloak and dagger thing we'll be a part of.

Modifié par LolaLei, 07 juillet 2013 - 01:21 .

[R2s Muse]

Lord Xendria wrote..

R2s Muse wrote..

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder what will become of that spirit now it's been transferred into Evangeline? An ex-templar running around with a spirit inside her... I wonder if the sheer amounts of lyrium she's been consuming for years will affect things?

oh man, I always forget about that. Another great reason to want to see Evangeline again. I wonder... If DG was suggesting tht Wynnes spirit is now pride... What would happen inside an ex-templar-******-freedom-fighter? 

Well that'd definitely be tragic and dramatic. As it's Gaider. I'm sure something bad's going to happen, if it further gets mentioned at all.

LOL "Something bad." Yeah, no doubt.

What I really wonder is if/how the game will address Asunder. They're so adamant about not requiring knowledge of these ancillary products... But Asunder is pretty key. Historical events can be summarized, but what about characters? Would they really introduce a book character to the games, do you think?

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder what will become of that spirit now it's been transferred into Evangeline? An ex-templar running around with a spirit inside her... I wonder if the sheer amounts of lyrium she's been consuming for years will affect things?

oh man, I always forget about that. Another great reason to want to see Evangeline again. I wonder... If DG was suggesting tht Wynnes spirit is now pride... What would happen inside an ex-templar-******-freedom-fighter? 

She might be super charged like Meredith but in a less nutty way. I mean Justice seemed to love lyrium so imagine if a spirit possessed a body filled with the stuff.