I don't think I'm too keen on blaming the writing for him not standing up to her. Indeed, I think it's true that it would be boring if some minor character became the hero before our hero could step up... and that's not going to happen. But, I think his hesitance and reluctance to cross Meredith actually makes sense given who he is. Personally, I don't think that part is badly written. It makes him human.LolaLei wrote...
To be fair, it's a valid argument. However, people forget that it wouldn't make a story if he had stood against her from the moment that Chantry blew up, or at the beginning of Act 3 when he started to have doubts. The devs/writers needed/wanted something dramatic to happen, they wanted to give us a big boss battle and thus those final scenes had to play out accordingly. Could it have been depicted better? Sure, but the game only had a years production put into it, so they can't expect the story/writing/etc to be a masterpiece. Not to mention that Cullen went through a terrible ordeal in the Ferelden Circle of Magi, and clearly had a hard time working in the Gallows, of course he's gonna be conflicted when he's seen and experienced the worst in both mages and templars, he's essentially grown up within the Order, it's his work, his home, his life and pretty much all he's ever known, so it's going to be hard coming to terms with the fact that his whole life and belief system is fundamentally flawed and corrupt.
The Official Knight-Captain Cullen Discussion thread 2.0.
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It's also the same with his becoming Knight-Commander after Greagoir epilogue. :shrug: I mean, I suppose eventually that could still happen, but seems more likely that it's just another retcon. For which I'm glad!Chiantirose1982 wrote...
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Well and the epilogues are "hearsay" according to DG. This one in particular is basically retconned.Chiantirose1982 wrote...
Okay, now I finally understand why people argue that Cullen killed many Mages ... I never got this epilogue. I thought they always referred to him killing Mages in the end of DA2, when fighting with Meredith.
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Epilogue_%28Origins%29
(Scroll down to Circle of Magi)
Ah well ... he is still hot though
Okay yeah that makes sense since in codex it says that Greagoir transfered him to Kirkwall because he thought it's not a good idea for him to watch over the people that tormented him. So that kind of doesn't work with the whole drunk mad man killing mages picture.
Ugh, now I want him even more in the next game, this guy needs some set in stone canon story.
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Uggghh
So this is off topic, but I really have to share. Very rarely in life do I cry...I mean it's RARE.
But I've been watching this guy on youtube now for just over a year...he has vids on how to draw using photoshop and flash...anyways, he did a 'draw my life video'...damn it I cried.!!
Here's the link to the vid
Why am I sharing this? Well for one thing, I kept thinking he reminds me of someone...the low and behold in the comments someone points it out
They ask him if he'd ever played Dragon Age cause he sounds and looks like Alistair, and by gosh now that it has been pointed out I have to agree!
Anyways, for those of my friends here who draw you should check it out, all his stuff really helps. For those of you who don't, the video is really good and his vidz are usually pretty entertaining
Thanks for sharing... made me cry, too. I was fine until the bit about his friend... my heart broke for him. And losing his religion, can relate to that. And his cat <3 My cat is sitting on my lap as we speak lol
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R2s Muse wrote...
I don't think I'm too keen on blaming the writing for him not standing up to her. Indeed, I think it's true that it would be boring if some minor character became the hero before our hero could step up... and that's not going to happen. But, I think his hesitance and reluctance to cross Meredith actually makes sense given who he is. Personally, I don't think that part is badly written. It makes him human.LolaLei wrote...
To be fair, it's a valid argument. However, people forget that it wouldn't make a story if he had stood against her from the moment that Chantry blew up, or at the beginning of Act 3 when he started to have doubts. The devs/writers needed/wanted something dramatic to happen, they wanted to give us a big boss battle and thus those final scenes had to play out accordingly. Could it have been depicted better? Sure, but the game only had a years production put into it, so they can't expect the story/writing/etc to be a masterpiece. Not to mention that Cullen went through a terrible ordeal in the Ferelden Circle of Magi, and clearly had a hard time working in the Gallows, of course he's gonna be conflicted when he's seen and experienced the worst in both mages and templars, he's essentially grown up within the Order, it's his work, his home, his life and pretty much all he's ever known, so it's going to be hard coming to terms with the fact that his whole life and belief system is fundamentally flawed and corrupt.
That too, which is why I went into the reasons he didn't stand up to her as quick as the haters would've liked. But my point is that a lot of why certain characters don't do certain things at certain times is because the game needed an epic showdown.
Kinda like in horror movies when you're screaming at the TV for the protagonist not to go into the cellar, and any sane real life person in that situation would've got the hell out of there, but that wouldn't make for a good story LOL!
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LolaLei wrote...
R2s Muse wrote...
I don't think I'm too keen on blaming the writing for him not standing up to her. Indeed, I think it's true that it would be boring if some minor character became the hero before our hero could step up... and that's not going to happen. But, I think his hesitance and reluctance to cross Meredith actually makes sense given who he is. Personally, I don't think that part is badly written. It makes him human.LolaLei wrote...
To be fair, it's a valid argument. However, people forget that it wouldn't make a story if he had stood against her from the moment that Chantry blew up, or at the beginning of Act 3 when he started to have doubts. The devs/writers needed/wanted something dramatic to happen, they wanted to give us a big boss battle and thus those final scenes had to play out accordingly. Could it have been depicted better? Sure, but the game only had a years production put into it, so they can't expect the story/writing/etc to be a masterpiece. Not to mention that Cullen went through a terrible ordeal in the Ferelden Circle of Magi, and clearly had a hard time working in the Gallows, of course he's gonna be conflicted when he's seen and experienced the worst in both mages and templars, he's essentially grown up within the Order, it's his work, his home, his life and pretty much all he's ever known, so it's going to be hard coming to terms with the fact that his whole life and belief system is fundamentally flawed and corrupt.
That too, which is why I went into the reasons he didn't stand up to her as quick as the haters would've liked. But my point is that a lot of why certain characters don't do certain things at certain times is because a lot of it is because the game needed an epic showdown.
Kinda like in horror movies when you're screaming at the TV for the protagonist not to go into the cellar, and any sane real life person in that situation would've got the hell out of there, but that wouldn't make for a good story LOL!
Or always run upstairs! Get the f*** outta the house!
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Chiantirose1982 wrote...
I know its a bad thing to want, but why did ME3 get all the leaks? Does the DA team have better security?
I reckon they're being super careful about things this time around.
The thing is, when there are leaks it costs them millions to put right, people lose their jobs because they can no longer afford to keep them on since the money has to be put into rewriting the scripts, repaying the VOs to record the rewrites, and redoing the scenes etc.
That's only something I realised recently, so I kinda feel bad about originally wanting leaks to happen with DAI. I think I'd genuinely be heartbroken if DAI was forcibly changed due to leaks, I'm not sure I could take another ME3 ending fiasco, lol.
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Gah, I wish I could go back to being blissfully unaware of a game coming out, like I was with DA2 and ME2. I spoiled myself silly with the script in ME3, I think it kind of ruined some of it but also prepared myself for some stuff. I'm not sure what I'll do with DA3, go into absolute lockdown or eat every tidbit of info up.
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*edit*
Not these, ME3 and DA3 ones.
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OH, that's kinda cool! Yay, Evil Chris is still with us!Chiantirose1982 wrote...
Huh, Mr. Priestly is still a volunteer Moderator on these boards. Didn't know that
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Not these, ME3 and DA3 ones.
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So hopefully they won't release one.
*Waves to the thread* And hello everyone! Great thread you got going on here!
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LolaLei wrote...
Really? That's good!
I know right! I saw "The Evil Chris" name in the moderstor list and thought "Who would dare use this name?" since I thought he would be gone after leaving BW, but it's him
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Milan92 wrote...
A good way to prevent leaks is by not releasing a demo. I think the demo from DA 2 was the reason why alot got leaked back then.
So hopefully they won't release one.
*Waves to the thread* And hello everyone! Great thread you got going on here!
Can't they prevent that? I have like no ida how that data mining stuff works, but can't they only put the bare essential stuff in there or do they have to put the whole story data in there?
I know I make no sense, lol ... Me trying to sound all smart
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In all honestly, I don't really want a proper playable demo, I just want the character creator so that I can spend hours creating the perfect protagonist. Ideally that would come with a face code like ME3 so that I can put it straight into the full game when it ships and then just jump straight into the story.
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Urgh, no kidding. *sigh* I wish that thread would just die... You'd think the moderators would step in with all the repetition.LolaLei wrote...
Urgh, I shouldn't have ventured back into that other Cullen thread, any valid points and good arguments have been eclipsed by haters stating false facts and repeating themselves when shown evidence to the contrary.
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Milan92 wrote...
A good way to prevent leaks is by not releasing a demo. I think the demo from DA 2 was the reason why alot got leaked back then.
So hopefully they won't release one.
*Waves to the thread* And hello everyone! Great thread you got going on here!
I think the story was more spoiled by the videos they produced prior to the game's release. they spoil about half of the game in those things alone. not that I don't love them its just they gave away A LOT of the game.
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Chiantirose1982 wrote...
Milan92 wrote...
A good way to prevent leaks is by not releasing a demo. I think the demo from DA 2 was the reason why alot got leaked back then.
So hopefully they won't release one.
*Waves to the thread* And hello everyone! Great thread you got going on here!
Can't they prevent that? I have like no ida how that data mining stuff works, but can't they only put the bare essential stuff in there or do they have to put the whole story data in there?
I know I make no sense, lol ... Me trying to sound all smart
It's not impossible to scrub everything clean but the time it would take to make sure that absolutely nothing would get leaked is probably not worth it both money and time wise. I'd also feel bad for the guys that needed to sit there hunt down a few files here and there.
More or less anything that Bioware has released over the last year or so has been data mined to some extent. As long as not a massive leak as the ME3 script happen they really don't need to care that much and just keep on doing their best with the game until they ship it. I personally would prefer them making sure the game itself is as good as it can be when we get it in our hands.
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Ridiculous.
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LolaLei wrote...
Man, there's one guy in that other Cullen thread who really hates templars. He's now claiming that lyrium withdrawal is just an over exaggeration and that the templars only go "crazy" in that they go on a rampage and kill people to get the stuff.
Ridiculous.
i dont think he hates all templars i think he has something in perticular with Cullen idk why
