The Official Knight-Captain Cullen Discussion thread 2.0.
#55201
Posté 04 août 2013 - 12:00
#55202
Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:29
I've decided to do one video per Act. Each Act will contain ALL of Cullen's dialogue options for each tone, including ambient dialogue. Once I've finished doing his DA2 dialogue I'll move onto his DA:O dialogue, so once I've finished we'll have his entire story arc (so far) mapped out ready for DAI.
Modifié par LolaLei, 04 août 2013 - 01:29 .
#55203
Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:53
Cant wait to see how the convo went with Cullen when u use the aggressive approach i never really use that one i always use either diplomatic or sarcastic
#55204
Posté 04 août 2013 - 02:05
motomotogirl wrote...
VampOrchid wrote...
Uggghh
So this is off topic, but I really have to share. Very rarely in life do I cry...I mean it's RARE.
But I've been watching this guy on youtube now for just over a year...he has vids on how to draw using photoshop and flash...anyways, he did a 'draw my life video'...damn it I cried.!!
Here's the link to the vid
Why am I sharing this? Well for one thing, I kept thinking he reminds me of someone...the low and behold in the comments someone points it out
They ask him if he'd ever played Dragon Age cause he sounds and looks like Alistair, and by gosh now that it has been pointed out I have to agree!
Anyways, for those of my friends here who draw you should check it out, all his stuff really helps. For those of you who don't, the video is really good and his vidz are usually pretty entertaining
Thanks for sharing... made me cry, too. I was fine until the bit about his friend... my heart broke for him. And losing his religion, can relate to that. And his cat <3 My cat is sitting on my lap as we speak lol
Ugh same. I like Jazza, and that one was just...ugh<3
#55205
Posté 04 août 2013 - 03:22
ag99 wrote...
Thats pretty cool he will get to have his own lil story
Huh? What little story?
#55206
Posté 04 août 2013 - 03:55
He's a lot less open and more stern with an agressive Hawke, even though Hawke doesn't actually insult him or anything, lol.
#55207
Posté 04 août 2013 - 04:43
The modded Cullen-head looks more gaunt and his eyes are slightly smaller, he also doesn't have the dark purple circles around his eyes like the real Cullen does. It's a very close likeness though, but you can see that it's not a perfect reconstruction when both are in shot. No one would notice on the fan videos though, lol.
Proper Cullen is more attractive than the one used for head swaps.
Modifié par LolaLei, 04 août 2013 - 04:47 .
#55208
Posté 04 août 2013 - 05:08
#55209
Posté 04 août 2013 - 05:28
The wait is too much. Geeeeeeeeeeeez. Fall 2014... smh.
#55210
Posté 04 août 2013 - 07:42
As I mentioned above, I have been following this thread for a while and I really enjoy a lot of the things you guys have to say. You lot have one heck of a sense of humor I will give you that. I know that you have covered so many things in regards to this character but if you don’t mind I wanted to readdress a topic you were talking about a while ago about PTSD. I just had to stop lurking and get in on it and yes I am crazy late to the game, and also uhh sorry for being off topic. As a side note, this will be crazy long and I apologize : )
Now my job more or less entails trauma and crisis counseling and you guys would be shocked at how cruel other people can be when engaging with victimized individuals. As just one example, I worked with a woman who had been sexually assaulted. When she told her best friend what had happened, the friend essentially said “Yeah, it sucks but it happens to a lot of people so get over it.” So people’s judgmental and unforgiving attitudes over Cullen’s character really aren’t that surprising. I am weirdly fascinated about reading different people’s reactions to this character because while he is a work of fiction, the responses folks have are very frequently textbook. In my opinion this is proof of a really well written character because people have the capacity to hate him so much, and others have the ability to examine his outlining circumstances and make opinions based on those. Another aspect of how well written this was, was his list of symptoms for PTSD. I can think of 10 right off the top off my head. But I will save you all the pain of listing them lol
What I wanted to do was open a separate line of discussion about his potential of romancing a mage. As I mentioned before I have worked with a lot of people who have gone through abuse and trauma. One big thing I have noticed is that while a person’s hatred of an attacker may subside, the fear they may have is much, much more difficult to overcome. For example, if you have a person who is harmed by someone of a different race, they often times (not always mind you) have an intense and terrible fear and/or hatred of whatever race/gender/social class the attacker was. This in only logical however, if a young black woman is attacked by one or many white men it would only make sense that for the rest of her life she fear that race. It is just a method of self preservation and a symptom of psychological trauma. For people to accuse her of being a racist may be true, but it is a certainly justifiable fear.
I would imagine it would be no different for Cullen with mages and for people to expect him to just get over it and not hate them is absurd. He absolutely should not be in a position of power over them but seeing as how he is probably addicted to lyrium his options are extremely limited.
As you all know at one point in the game Cullen talks about how mages are weapons. In one of my classes there was a video of an Iraq solider who had been tortured. His psychiatrist tried explaining that not everyone from the Middle East would condone torture. The solider began going into a very similar rant (so similar I almost wonder if one of the writers hadn’t seen the video at some point) about how members of the Muslim community and the Middle East, (all of them, he wasn’t willing or able to differentiate) weren’t really people and shouldn’t be trusted. Originally this solider had absolutely no bias against Muslims. But because of the event he had suffered through his fear compounded into hatred. This man discussed these things a few years after he had finished serving. People who usually go through something extremely traumatic can take years and years of therapy depending on how sever the trauma was.
SO sorry it is taking this long, but back to my main question. The thing is, realistically Cullen may be able to romance a mage if he is a romance in DAI (Please Bioware make this happen) but I would be extremely surprised if he was able to permanently commit to him/her because it just wouldn’t be realistic. In the real world it would be very difficult (but again certainly not impossible) for a person to overcome that much fear of a group of people. I can see something much more Alistair in nature occurring where you romance him but mitigating circumstances make him unable or unwilling to progress the relationship. This love would be especially impossible if your character used blood magic. So what do you guys think? Would you prefer to see a more realistic version of the romance or is the subject of romancing him as a mage to tantalizing to give up without a super happy ending?
#55211
Posté 04 août 2013 - 08:11
Kirrahe1 wrote...
*snip awesome stuff*
Really interesting and really good points.
Do you think that he is than already somewhat "healing" or dealing with his issues when he is sparing the couple mages, when you side with the Templars?
I wouldn't have a problem if you couldn't romance him on a Mage, makes somewhat sense. So I guess I would be more for a realistic romance.
#55212
Posté 04 août 2013 - 08:52
Anyway, like Chiantirose1982 said, I would be more for a realistic romance as well.
#55213
Posté 04 août 2013 - 10:57
LolaLei wrote...
ag99 wrote...
Thats pretty cool he will get to have his own lil story
Huh? What little story?
forgot to mention the arc part but i said that because of what u said
so once I've finished we'll have his entire story arc (so far) mapped out ready for DAI.
Modifié par ag99, 04 août 2013 - 10:58 .
#55214
Posté 04 août 2013 - 11:09
Personally I dont mind if a mage romance doesn't work out because I don't really play as a mage anyways so it wouldn't really bother me in the slightest, and yea I would go for the more realistic rout as well
#55215
Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:01
@kirrahe1
But...but....that means....my Bloodmage........he will be forever alone! You have no idea how cruel that is! It's like tying you up and dangling a delicious pie in front of you, you drool and drool and all you get is the smell and sight of the darned said pie!
Modifié par Parmida, 04 août 2013 - 01:23 .
#55216
Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:01
Lola, it's really easy on PC to swap his head for the proper head. The reason it's off is because you're using a recreated .mop head in chargen, instead of telling the game to use the .mor file that the actual NPC uses. Like MMG said, you can do it on xbox I guess, too.LolaLei wrote...
Oh, R2 you're right! Now that I'm using that Cullen head mod for my Hawke and recording/editing Cullen's scenes with my Cullen-Hawke in them, I can see that the modded head isn't quite right..
The modded Cullen-head looks more gaunt and his eyes are slightly smaller, he also doesn't have the dark purple circles around his eyes like the real Cullen does. It's a very close likeness though, but you can see that it's not a perfect reconstruction when both are in shot. No one would notice on the fan videos though, lol.
Proper Cullen is more attractive than the one used for head swaps.
If you want the real one, I can give you the steps. Or you can just e-mail me your save file and I'll modify it for you.
edit: Or alternatively, that original chargen mod I sent you has a Cullen face that's closer.
Modifié par R2s Muse, 04 août 2013 - 01:02 .
#55217
Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:04
Kirrahe1 wrote...
Hello ladies and gentlemen of the Cullen thread! Long time Lurker first time poster lol.
As I mentioned above, I have been following this thread for a while and I really enjoy a lot of the things you guys have to say. You lot have one heck of a sense of humor I will give you that. I know that you have covered so many things in regards to this character but if you don’t mind I wanted to readdress a topic you were talking about a while ago about PTSD. I just had to stop lurking and get in on it and yes I am crazy late to the game, and also uhh sorry for being off topic. As a side note, this will be crazy long and I apologize : )
Now my job more or less entails trauma and crisis counseling and you guys would be shocked at how cruel other people can be when engaging with victimized individuals. As just one example, I worked with a woman who had been sexually assaulted. When she told her best friend what had happened, the friend essentially said “Yeah, it sucks but it happens to a lot of people so get over it.” So people’s judgmental and unforgiving attitudes over Cullen’s character really aren’t that surprising. I am weirdly fascinated about reading different people’s reactions to this character because while he is a work of fiction, the responses folks have are very frequently textbook. In my opinion this is proof of a really well written character because people have the capacity to hate him so much, and others have the ability to examine his outlining circumstances and make opinions based on those. Another aspect of how well written this was, was his list of symptoms for PTSD. I can think of 10 right off the top off my head. But I will save you all the pain of listing them lol
What I wanted to do was open a separate line of discussion about his potential of romancing a mage. As I mentioned before I have worked with a lot of people who have gone through abuse and trauma. One big thing I have noticed is that while a person’s hatred of an attacker may subside, the fear they may have is much, much more difficult to overcome. For example, if you have a person who is harmed by someone of a different race, they often times (not always mind you) have an intense and terrible fear and/or hatred of whatever race/gender/social class the attacker was. This in only logical however, if a young black woman is attacked by one or many white men it would only make sense that for the rest of her life she fear that race. It is just a method of self preservation and a symptom of psychological trauma. For people to accuse her of being a racist may be true, but it is a certainly justifiable fear.
I would imagine it would be no different for Cullen with mages and for people to expect him to just get over it and not hate them is absurd. He absolutely should not be in a position of power over them but seeing as how he is probably addicted to lyrium his options are extremely limited.
As you all know at one point in the game Cullen talks about how mages are weapons. In one of my classes there was a video of an Iraq solider who had been tortured. His psychiatrist tried explaining that not everyone from the Middle East would condone torture. The solider began going into a very similar rant (so similar I almost wonder if one of the writers hadn’t seen the video at some point) about how members of the Muslim community and the Middle East, (all of them, he wasn’t willing or able to differentiate) weren’t really people and shouldn’t be trusted. Originally this solider had absolutely no bias against Muslims. But because of the event he had suffered through his fear compounded into hatred. This man discussed these things a few years after he had finished serving. People who usually go through something extremely traumatic can take years and years of therapy depending on how sever the trauma was.
SO sorry it is taking this long, but back to my main question. The thing is, realistically Cullen may be able to romance a mage if he is a romance in DAI (Please Bioware make this happen) but I would be extremely surprised if he was able to permanently commit to him/her because it just wouldn’t be realistic. In the real world it would be very difficult (but again certainly not impossible) for a person to overcome that much fear of a group of people. I can see something much more Alistair in nature occurring where you romance him but mitigating circumstances make him unable or unwilling to progress the relationship. This love would be especially impossible if your character used blood magic. So what do you guys think? Would you prefer to see a more realistic version of the romance or is the subject of romancing him as a mage to tantalizing to give up without a super happy ending?
Really interesting stuff, but I'm in the camp that believes he can properly recover. It had already been years since what he went through by the end of Dragon Age 2 and we saw him on the mend during the years in game. Does that mean I want to see no evidence of what he went through? No, of course not, but I don't think he is so lost in those thoughts of 'mages aren't like us' that he can't continue his road to recovery. We already saw that he was willing to show innocent mages mercy and wasn't comfortable with killing them all by the end of the game. If that isn't a man well on his way to recovery, I don't know what is.
...We also have Fenris as an example of someone who was abused, but continued down that road of recovery. Granted Fenris has a whole slew of different issues, and comparing the two isn't fair, but the point I'm trying to make still stands I think?
And to tell the truth, I don't want to see Cullen's character arc, if he is a companion, be entirely about what he went through at the circle. Arguably a huge portion of it should be, because that experience is important to his growth, but as a fan who wants to know more about him, I hope we get to learn more about his history, where he came from, what happened after Hawke, and what he thinks of current events too.
...Admittedly those last thoughs come from a bit of a metagame standpoint, though. I was there. I played Dragon Age: Origins. I know what happened at the circle. Do I know what happened to him exactly? No, and I would like to ask him about it, but if that's ALL he has to say ever then that wouldn't really add to his story or character for me.
So... I want a realistic romance, but I don't think realistic means mages get kicked to the side or it doesn't work out necessarily. Instead there'd probably just be... things to work through.
Modifié par Dirgegun, 04 août 2013 - 01:19 .
#55218
Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:16
Yay! Welcome and stay a while!Kirrahe1 wrote...
Hello ladies and gentlemen of the Cullen thread! Long time Lurker first time poster lol.
Ohmygosh, thank you for saying this. As a complete know-nothing about PTSD, I've been told this by folks who have claimed "to know" and then been told the opposite by others who claim "to know." Confusing to say the least, except that it seems--to me--only natural that Cullen should have lingering issues from his trauma.Another aspect of how well written this was, was his list of symptoms for PTSD. I can think of 10 right off the top off my head. But I will save you all the pain of listing them lol
Hmm, good questions. re: a happy ending, I suppose I'd want something sort of in the middle. I'd be okay if it wasn't a super happy ending, but a kinda hopeful ending? If that makes sense. Like, he doesn't just walk away from the protagonist, but may acknowledge that he still has issues he needs to work through, or something like that. Of course... so long as I could get my super happy ending with another class (and ignoring my doubts that they would put in the resources to diversify the story by class...).The thing is, realistically Cullen may be able to romance a mage if he is a romance in DAI (Please Bioware make this happen) but I would be extremely surprised if he was able to permanently commit to him/her because it just wouldn’t be realistic. In the real world it would be very difficult (but again certainly not impossible) for a person to overcome that much fear of a group of people. I can see something much more Alistair in nature occurring where you romance him but mitigating circumstances make him unable or unwilling to progress the relationship. This love would be especially impossible if your character used blood magic. So what do you guys think? Would you prefer to see a more realistic version of the romance or is the subject of romancing him as a mage to tantalizing to give up without a super happy ending?
I'm not personally invested in playing a mage since it's not my favorite class to play, but I would be interested to try it out with Cullen (if he were a LI) for all these reasons. I guess I've always thought that he could get past his fears with an individual he trusted. Not that he/she would "cure" Cullen with love, but that perhaps he could differentiate his blanket fear for the specifics of the individual. And that this could help him to heal. This probably isn't realistic, though, particularly based on what you're saying!
So, in short, I guess I'd want a dose of reality with my fantasy, but not too much. LOL
Modifié par R2s Muse, 04 août 2013 - 01:20 .
#55219
Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:26
You know, you've touched on something I'd prefer as well. I know full well that those experiences are a huge part of who the character is... but I would also love to see his continuing growth instead of dwelling on his past. Sort of how I hope they don't harp on the Amell crush from his past. Sure, it happened, it's part of his character development and shouldn't be ignored, but I'd also like to see the next chapter in his evolution.Dirgegun wrote...
And to tell the truth, I don't want to see Cullen's character arc, if he is a companion, be entirely about what he went through at the circle. Arguably a huge portion of it should be, because that experience is important to his growth, but as a fan who wants to know more about him, I hope we get to learn more about his history, where he came from, what happened after Hawke, and what he thinks of current events too.
...Admittedly those last thoughs come from a bit of a metagame standpoint, though. I was there. I played Dragon Age: Origins. I know what happened at the circle. Do I know what happened to him exactly? No, and I would like to ask him about it, but if that's ALL he has to say ever then that wouldn't really add to his story or character for me.
So... I want a realistic romance, but I don't think realistic means mages get kicked to the side or it doesn't work out necessarily. Instead there'd probably just be... things to work through.
Easier said if he's a companion, of course, instead of just a minor NPC. *sniff* Although, I feel like a master of building something out of nothing now after spending 5+ DA2 playthroughs convinced he's crushing on my Hawke. LOL
#55220
Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:32
R2s Muse wrote...
You know, you've touched on something I'd prefer as well. I know full well that those experiences are a huge part of who the character is... but I would also love to see his continuing growth instead of dwelling on his past. Sort of how I hope they don't harp on the Amell crush from his past. Sure, it happened, it's part of his character development and shouldn't be ignored, but I'd also like to see the next chapter in his evolution.Dirgegun wrote...
And to tell the truth, I don't want to see Cullen's character arc, if he is a companion, be entirely about what he went through at the circle. Arguably a huge portion of it should be, because that experience is important to his growth, but as a fan who wants to know more about him, I hope we get to learn more about his history, where he came from, what happened after Hawke, and what he thinks of current events too.
...Admittedly those last thoughs come from a bit of a metagame standpoint, though. I was there. I played Dragon Age: Origins. I know what happened at the circle. Do I know what happened to him exactly? No, and I would like to ask him about it, but if that's ALL he has to say ever then that wouldn't really add to his story or character for me.
So... I want a realistic romance, but I don't think realistic means mages get kicked to the side or it doesn't work out necessarily. Instead there'd probably just be... things to work through.
Easier said if he's a companion, of course, instead of just a minor NPC. *sniff* Although, I feel like a master of building something out of nothing now after spending 5+ DA2 playthroughs convinced he's crushing on my Hawke. LOL
There's also the fact that he's a character and not a real person. That doesn't mean his past should be ignored, of course, but where people can lose themselves in the past and not recover from this in real life... characters need to evolve and move on. Even characters who are lost in their past often have story arcs that are about their development and learning to move on from what was holding them back. For a story to progress so do the characters.
#55221
Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:40
Exactly. Hence why I only want the dose of reality with my fantasy. If it's plausible he could recover... I would hope he does.Dirgegun wrote...
R2s Muse wrote...
You know, you've touched on something I'd prefer as well. I know full well that those experiences are a huge part of who the character is... but I would also love to see his continuing growth instead of dwelling on his past. Sort of how I hope they don't harp on the Amell crush from his past. Sure, it happened, it's part of his character development and shouldn't be ignored, but I'd also like to see the next chapter in his evolution.Dirgegun wrote...
And to tell the truth, I don't want to see Cullen's character arc, if he is a companion, be entirely about what he went through at the circle. Arguably a huge portion of it should be, because that experience is important to his growth, but as a fan who wants to know more about him, I hope we get to learn more about his history, where he came from, what happened after Hawke, and what he thinks of current events too.
...Admittedly those last thoughs come from a bit of a metagame standpoint, though. I was there. I played Dragon Age: Origins. I know what happened at the circle. Do I know what happened to him exactly? No, and I would like to ask him about it, but if that's ALL he has to say ever then that wouldn't really add to his story or character for me.
So... I want a realistic romance, but I don't think realistic means mages get kicked to the side or it doesn't work out necessarily. Instead there'd probably just be... things to work through.
Easier said if he's a companion, of course, instead of just a minor NPC. *sniff* Although, I feel like a master of building something out of nothing now after spending 5+ DA2 playthroughs convinced he's crushing on my Hawke. LOL
There's also the fact that he's a character and not a real person. That doesn't mean his past should be ignored, of course, but where people can lose themselves in the past and not recover from this in real life... characters need to evolve and move on. Even characters who are lost in their past often have story arcs that are about their development and learning to move on from what was holding them back. For a story to progress so do the characters.
#55222
Posté 04 août 2013 - 02:38
ilikesocks wrote...
*cries because she doesn't have an xbox, therefore, preventing the replacement of Ander's stupid head with Cullen's awesome face*
The wait is too much. Geeeeeeeeeeeez. Fall 2014... smh.
No way, I just read a couple of comments from you on my YouTube Channel! (AbilityDrain).
#55223
Posté 04 août 2013 - 02:51
Thanks for posting this! I'd be really interested in seeing a list of symptoms he's suffering!Kirrahe1 wrote...
*Snip*
SO sorry it is taking this long, but back to my main question. The thing is, realistically Cullen may be able to romance a mage if he is a romance in DAI (Please Bioware make this happen) but I would be extremely surprised if he was able to permanently commit to him/her because it just wouldn’t be realistic. In the real world it would be very difficult (but again certainly not impossible) for a person to overcome that much fear of a group of people. I can see something much more Alistair in nature occurring where you romance him but mitigating circumstances make him unable or unwilling to progress the relationship. This love would be especially impossible if your character used blood magic. So what do you guys think? Would you prefer to see a more realistic version of the romance or is the subject of romancing him as a mage to tantalizing to give up without a super happy ending?
As for if I think he'll romance a mage, I'd say (and hope) that he'd catagorically refuse point blank to romance a blood mage, and subsquently dump the protagonist if he/she started using it during their romance arc. Kinda like how Anders will dump Hawke if he/she makes a deal with a demon in the Fade.
I think I could see him romancing a mage, but it would take a lot for him to finally get to the stage where he feels that he can, and even then there's a possibility that he'd end it before the romance progressed fully.
Cullen's story is a unique one in that he's been betrayed by not only mages, but the templars too so his story arc could go in so many different ways... I guess it just depends on what the writers feel is right for him. I just hope that whatever they do with him makes sense and doesn't feel cheapened, rushed or shallow.
#55224
Posté 04 août 2013 - 03:23
I have to be brief because I'm already late, but I wanted to jump in (since I've been so busy and have missed so many other awesome discussions lately)
So yes, someone brought up Fenris, but Fenris is indeed a different case, as he is a former slave and also a rape victim. Fenris has difficulty shrugging off his slave mentality, and in many ways, I find it uncomfortable to romance him with a mage. Think about how easily Fenris will give in if Hawke gives him up to Danarius. Fenris lives his life holding on to the tiniest sliver of hope; he is that close to despair and giving up and returning to his old ways. I always felt that he should be romanced with a non-mage and then over the years gently helped to accept that not all mages are inherently evil. But even if he never gets there, he shouldn't be blamed.
Cullen also experienced extreme trauma and torture, but not as a slave. Cullen also has position of authority over mages, the opposite of Fenris. So I don't feel there's ever any danger of Cullen "submitting" to mages and admitting he can't overpower them... which is dangerous in its own way. Now Kirrahe1 is the PTSD expert here, so I'm not going to make any statements about whether I think he can recover from that. But to me it does seem as if Cullen could handle falling in love with a mage better than Fenris could. Or let me rephrase that. A relationship between a mage and Cullen could potentially be more healthy than one between Fenris and a mage. However, there could be residual anger issues and mistrust issues in the Cullen x mage relationship. There could be an unequal balance of power (with Cullen putting himself over the mage) that would not be healthy. So I don't know.
Interesting topic!!! Now I'm off... yet again
#55225
Posté 04 août 2013 - 04:56
LolaLei wrote...
ilikesocks wrote...
*cries because she doesn't have an xbox, therefore, preventing the replacement of Ander's stupid head with Cullen's awesome face*
The wait is too much. Geeeeeeeeeeeez. Fall 2014... smh.
No way, I just read a couple of comments from you on my YouTube Channel! (AbilityDrain).
Ohai! Got on youtube to watch the weekly inquisition video posted by MisterShizno (love that man's accent





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