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ag99 wrote...

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Yea thats why I keep thinking that they might have something more big prepared for us other then concept art, and I really hope all this will happen at Pax Prime since I think thats the last gaming convention of this season (i think)  So I guess here's hoping and keeping fingers crossed and all that, cause from the last sprint review day even tho they weren't so talkative, they still kinda gave the impression that perhaps a good chunk of the game is done (igonring the fact that the protagonist is walking through walls) lol but ya I guess we will just have to wait and see


Possibly, but don't forget they've been given an extra year to get the game finished, so they're probably adding in extra things that they wouldn't have been able to previously.

From the little they've told us and tweeted about during Sprint Reviews it sounds like the games development is very sporadic in its progress, chances are some parts of the game look really polished, whilst other parts are still pretty basic.

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I found only this: http://www.joystiq.c...inclusive-game/

About LGBT.

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 05 août 2013 - 01:35 .


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Well it would be nice if they could show us the polished part of the game such as CC maybe? Cuz yea i dont think anyone would wanna see parts of the game that are still in the "works" and probably not look good :P

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

I found only this: http://www.joystiq.c...inclusive-game/

About LGBT.


thank you for the link:happy:

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ag99 wrote...

Well it would be nice if they could show us the polished part of the game such as CC maybe? Cuz yea i dont think anyone would wanna see parts of the game that are still in the "works" and probably not look good :P


Well, it certainly sounds like the CC is developed enough for there to be lots of different eye shapes, so who knows.

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

I found only this: http://www.joystiq.c...inclusive-game/

About LGBT.


Awesome, thanks!

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So, I just noticed that for the past 3 weeks the Dragon Age Facebook page has been releasing a piece of DAI concept art every Wednesday (any other photos or pictures from the trailer have been posted up on random days).

I wonder if maybe they're realising these pieces of concept art once a week until the next piece of info?

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LolaLei wrote....

I wonder if maybe they're realising these pieces of concept art once a week until the next piece of info?


Yes. It makes sense. Wednesday - Qunari and the Dragon.

Next Wednesday  First screenshot? 

GamesCom.:devil:

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LolaLei wrote...

So, I just noticed that for the past 3 weeks the Dragon Age Facebook page has been releasing a piece of DAI concept art every Wednesday (any other photos or pictures from the trailer have been posted up on random days).

I wonder if maybe they're realising these pieces of concept art once a week until the next piece of info?


I quit guessing now...they're always throwing us for a loop...ugh

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

LolaLei wrote....

I wonder if maybe they're realising these pieces of concept art once a week until the next piece of info?


Yes. It makes sense. Wednesday - Qunari and the Dragon.

Next Wednesday  First screenshot? 

GamesCom.:devil:


When is GamesCom?

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LolaLei wrote...

When is GamesCom?


August 20 - EA Conference.

GamesCom - August  21 - 25.

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 05 août 2013 - 03:09 .


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Well, whatever info they decide to give us hopefully will be new stuff that we don't already know about. The Fires Above trailer would've brought so much speculation if we hadn't already found out about the plot a year before hand in the survey leak, lol.

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

When is GamesCom?


August 20 - EA Conference.

GamesCom - August  21 - 25.


So I guess it could either be at GamesCom or PAX Prime. If not, then it could get released at any time between now and the end of the year, lol.

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LolaLei , Maybe a Christmas gift?

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

LolaLei , Maybe a Christmas gift?


Maybe, although I hope we don't have to wait that long.

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LolaLei wrote...

ag99 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

ag99 wrote...

Yea i guess its too soon to hope for companions huh, but oh well if not companions then i guess CC would be cool for me


I'd love them to show us a demo or a couple of screenshots of the character creator.



Yea i would be sooo freaking happy if they would show us a lil demo about CC  then i can think about how i would make my  "perfect" inquisitor lol uuuh cant wait

I wonder if they are preparing something "big" to show us at PAX Prime? omg i cant wait
As for Gamescom i  got  deppressed lately since there is no mention anywhere  of BW or DAI   so im not sure if i should still go or not....


Well, I was just looking at that Chase Boyajian's twitter and on the 27th of July he paid a "last minute" visit to Edmonton where the BioWare studios are situated. Now, I dunno if he was actually visiting the studios or not, but a few days later on August 2nd he tweeted the following along with a picture of some technical bits and pieces:

"Nothing like rendering #AfterEffects #ConSeason"

Which Aaryn Flynn then favourited. I dunno if it was DAI because he does editing and is a cinematographer/motion graphic artist not just for BioWare but other divisions of EA too, BUT the fact that the DA team keep talking about how they'll be giving us more information "soon"/"in the near future"/"very soon" then it could be something for their DAI info reveal.

*Edit* and of course, tonight he asked us what info we wanted to hear/see, so perhaps he's sitting there now working on all the bits 'n' pieces and was interested to find out if what the fans request is the same as what they're actually going to reveal.


Not to mention that Mark Darrah got filmed recently...maybe we get to see a making of video.

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He got filmed recently? Wasn't that months ago for an internal video?

*Edit* Scrap that, he tweeted that he went on camera on July 29th. I dunno whether that would be on camera as in being filmed, or on camera as in "hey I'm on webcam, let's have a virtual meeting".

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Ok so first off thanks you guys for your responses and the complements! I loved your opinions and thoughts on the matter. Sorry it took me a day to get back to you… I have been working nonstop and haven’t really slept in a few days! Ok so I am going to try and answer some of the questions and comments you left. This…will also be long lol

Chiantirose1982 and Danny Boy 7- Well, the thing about his recovery is it’s really hard to pinpoint precisely where he is due to his limited screen time not being able to hear his inner monologue. I certainly think he IS recovering based on his reactions and comments about mages as the different acts progress. Now there are many books that discuss the “Stages” or “Steps” of PTSD healing and the thing is, usually each book has a slightly different list. For the most part there are considered to be 5/6 main steps. The problem with pinpointing where he is in his recovery is that many of the steps are internal things an individual would experience. For example, the first stage usually entails panic attacks, blood pressure sky rocketing or a feeling of being “Hunted”. So very basic things like a smell or a noise going off can trigger a flight or fight response in the individual. Another issue with the steps is a person can cycle through every single step in a day and then jump back to step 1 at the end of that very same day. So recovery varies …so sort of good days and bad days or even good years and bad years. Now if I were to guess (and this is a speculation based on insufficient information lol ) I would say in the end of the second game Cullen is around the end of step four, where you may still internalizes many things but are on the path to recovery. Typically at this stage a person suffering from PTSD can begin too slowly distance themselves from the event that took place and begin examining things with an outside view of what transpired. Dirgegun had a really great example where Cullen showed willingness to try and save those three mages. Cullen would have reached a point where he could separate his own private feelings of the situation and begin looking at the larger issue… or if you would prefer the bigger picture. If I did a poor job with this explanation and it doesn’t make any sense feel free to tell me and I will try and make it less ambiguous lol.

Dirgegun- I completely agree with you, his character absolutely should not be entirely about his Circle horrors. The truth is no one is completely defined by a single event in their life even though a person suffering through PTSD may at times feel that way. I also want his story to be about recovery; however I want it to be as realistic as possible for the reason of the representation of the PTSD community. If bioware took this character and made him just get over it and be like “Nah, you’re hot and totally not like other mages” it would drive me nuts lol. I do believe that they might be able to do a realistic romance where he is able to work out some of his underling concerns and issues with dating/marrying a mage but gosh it would be difficult in real life. You also mentioned the fact that he is a character and not a real person and that some people can lose themselves in the past and not recover from events that have taken place. I think you mentioned that for a character this doesn’t work because he needs to evolve and move on. I totally get where you coming from but I would have to disagree with you on this one point simply because his evolution doesn’t necessarily depend upon his ability to recover from what had happened. His character arc could develop in the opposite direction where he becomes a hard A** and ends up the leader of the templar rebellion. Lol so what I guess what I am trying to say is sometimes a characters evolution goes in a direction that is totally different from what we would hope and that his potential hatred from mages may overcome any ability to ever be reasoned with. While it would be depressing he wasn’t able to fully heal, there could still be character development in my mind. Again if this makes no sense let me know. Also I do not want to Argumentative, If I did it was totally not my intention in any way : )

Parmida- Lol yes I would imagine that bioware will pull the old “Tantalus” route in regards to blood mages and that romance. Although they are sort of doing the whole Tantalus thing with us with Cullen right now anyway!

Lola lei- Ok so a list of symptoms. This isn’t all of them but I wanted to go through some of the big and more obvious ones that are less conjecture.

So in the DLC where you go back to the mage tower and you hear the two girls talking about him
1.The way they comment about how he has an intense stare
2.The way they comment about how he twitches
3.The way they comment about how he is creepy. Now this is not exactly a symptom but can sort of classify. This is actually a very common phenomenon because I have had a lot of family members of victims explain to me about how the patient acts pretty strangely and how it sort of unnerves them or creeps them out.
In the second game,
4.Nightmares-this is an extremely common symptom. Now I have no way of knowing for sure but he would probably also suffer from flashbacks or time loss because these three things very commonly show up together.
5.His need to talk to Hawke about what had happened (potentially trying to get someone to acknowledge the damage done to him)
6. His hyper vigilance about mages or anything surrounding them (like how he chased someone out by himself to the wounded coast)
7. Substance abuse!! Ok I’m joking about that one the lyrium thing came first lol. However his addiction may have become more severe because substance abuse is very commonly used as a self medicate.
8.Cullen also shows a great deal of irritability throughout the game. When Kerans sister talks about how he is being a little harsh he instantly bristles.
9.Cullen talks about how the towers “Trust and leniency” was rewarded by mages going berserk. The way he mentions this shows the very common symptom of feelings of betrayal. A long way back in the thread you guys were discussing some of his removed dialog options in the circle tower quest and he mentions how the mages ruined his and their home. This is another sign of betrayal except it wasn’t really “Post”
10. Survivors’ guilt. For illustration, he says something along the lines of “Don’t think I’m not grateful. But why should I live when my friends lie dead?”
11.Good old fashioned regular guilt. He talks about his infatuation with a mage and how terrible it was. He also talks about his sin and how he hopes the maker forgives him. While these things are obvious, he may not have ever really experienced true guilt over his infatuation for the mage had the broken circle event not occurred.

motomotogirl- You had some awesome comments about Fenris and Cullen similarities and differences. You mentioned something brilliant about the submitting to mages thing that had never occurred to me. It made me wonder how well Cullen would handle a mage even being the leader of the group. Cullen might have problems with a mage having authority over him and more or less telling him what to do. Now he may or may not have any problems with it, that is entirely up to his personality alone and not PTSD but it is something interesting to discuss.

OK SO not a great job on the list and answers but good as I can do at 2:30 in the morning on shamefully low energy levels lol. Again I apologize if this didn’t make a whole lot of sense and if anyone needs me to clarify feel free to ask. I actually had a question for you LolaLei. You mentioned a while back that David Gaider said that the Cullen fans backed the writers into a corner with what they could do with his character (or something along those lines) if you don’t mind my asking where did you hear/read that?

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Also I do not want to Argumentative, If I did it was totally not my intention in any way : )
^
Wow Sorry Dirgegun that wasn't a real sentance. What I meant to say was I have no intention of being argumentative and if It sounded like I was trying to be I apologize and didn't mean it that way. Blaaaaaah.

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Thanks for answering my question Kirrahe1. I'm now wondering (though this can obviously wait until you get some sleep) how his experiences with Meredith may have effected his recovery? I'm curious because it's his, as of yet, only support structure we know of.

You know I've been getting a little more comfortable with the idea of him being a member of the rebel templars before we pick him up, but something tells me it's unlikely we'll get companions who have "hard ties" to either side of the war. They'll have strong opinions on who should win or what should happen, but won't be actual members of their faction. Cole might be an exception, but he seems more malleable to our PC than any other potential companion.

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I'm somewhat thinking that he is going to be in trouble in DA:I. Stuff went down in Kirkwall and people will need someone to blame it on. Meredith is dead, Hawke gone, Anders dead/gone, the mages probably all gone unless they're tranquil or stupid ... so the only one left to be held responsible is Cullen. I can't see him leaving Kirkwall, like Hawke did, he has too much sense of duty.

I also can't see the Chantry hailing him some sort of hero, since the whole mage vs. templar deal started in Kirkwall. Maybe that's how we'll get him, either we recruit/rescue him or leave him to be executed, if he's in the game.

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Kirrahe1 wrote...

Also I do not want to Argumentative, If I did it was totally not my intention in any way : )
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Wow Sorry Dirgegun that wasn't a real sentance. What I meant to say was I have no intention of being argumentative and if It sounded like I was trying to be I apologize and didn't mean it that way. Blaaaaaah.


You weren't argumentative at all, and I thank you for the time you took to reply! I do agree that characters can slide in the opposite direction, and become even more hardened. When that happens, however, those characters are often given a plot line that redeems them or they become a villain. Not always, of course, but quite often from what I've experienced in literature. When they are left like that, they're usually not main characters and their story usually remains unfinished. 

I was also mostly referring to what his character arc would possibly be if he was a compnanion-- companions can turn hardedged and even more distrustful, but usually they don't, because their companion arc is still about them forging a bond with the protagonist and sometimes this bond helps with their recovery. Is love a cure? Certainly not, and I don't want to see a character arc written like that, but no one can deny that having people you're close to there for you helps with recovery. 

I guess when it comes down to it... I don't want the devs to ignore what he's been through, if he's a companion and LI, but I think, at the very least, his ending with a mage could be.... not rainbows and butterflies, but at least hopeful...

(And of course there can be exceptions to what I've said and such. I'm just saying in general... :) )

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Kirrahe1 wrote...

Lola lei- Ok so a list of symptoms. This isn’t all of them but I wanted to go through some of the big and more obvious ones that are less conjecture. 

So in the DLC where you go back to the mage tower and you hear the two girls talking about him
1.The way they comment about how he has an intense stare
2.The way they comment about how he twitches
3.The way they comment about how he is creepy. Now this is not exactly a symptom but can sort of classify. This is actually a very common phenomenon because I have had a lot of family members of victims explain to me about how the patient acts pretty strangely and how it sort of unnerves them or creeps them out.

10. Survivors’ guilt. For illustration, he says something along the lines of “Don’t think I’m not grateful. But why should I live when my friends lie dead?”


OK SO not a great job on the list and answers but good as I can do at 2:30 in the morning on shamefully low energy levels lol. Again I apologize if this didn’t make a whole lot of sense and if anyone needs me to clarify feel free to ask. I actually had a question for you LolaLei. You mentioned a while back that David Gaider said that the Cullen fans backed the writers into a corner with what they could do with his character (or something along those lines) if you don’t mind my asking where did you hear/read that?



Hi, thanks for replying!

1, 2, 3 and 10 I find the most intriguing out of the list.

In regards to the first 3, I couldn't ever tell if the two apprentice mages were refering to Cullen always been "weird" like that, or if it was just something that happened after the event. I thought at first that maybe they were just being ****y about the way he used to be around the female Amell/Solona (due to his crush/infatuation), or because maybe he was just the nervous sort who was inexperienced and worried about abominations and demonic possession etc thus his "awkward weirdness" (in the male mage origin he voices his concerns about how he was new to all this and how a demon could be right under their noses etc).

10. Is a very good point. Prior to the event he seemed more than happy to offer the female mage to come and talk to him anytime she wanted, so although he obviously knew his crush/infatuation with her was wrong/illegal (because he'll turn her down and run away if you try your luck), I guess he presumed that so long as he didn't get involved with her in a romantic/sexual nature then he wasn't doing anything wrong (even though he probably knew deep down that had she flirted with him enough he likely would've given into temptation eventually). Then of course the event happens and he feels like it's his punishment for even allowing himself to hold such thoughts/feelings. 

Do you know if he mentions his guilt if you play as a male mage Warden? I can't recall. Either way, I guess the fact he got out alive made him believe that this was his "second chance" from the Maker, which would also go someway in describing why he's so hardlined initally (along with the other things you listed.)

In regard to the David Gaider thing, it was something he said in one of the threads. I can't rememeber which one, but I bet R2smuse will have the link handy somewhere. Tbh, we've kinda noticed recently that DG seems to react the same way about any group of fans wanting a particular character or resource implemented. He recently tweeted at E3 that he expected there to be pitchforks over the DAI trailer, even though there wasn't nothing wrong in it, not did it really tell us anything we didn't already know about via the survey leak.

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As Danny pointed out, I too wonder how the events of DA2 will affect him, not to mention the stress of this veil rip thing.

Whether or not he's been punished/blamed for Meredith's death it's bound to have had some effect on him, especially if we do end up rescuing him from some dungeon somewhere, or he too ended up getting tortured by his very own Order etc. I imagine at the very least he's going to feel conflicted about the Order and where he belongs in this world (he's grown up in the Order, so it'll likely be difficult adjusting to the changes, be it as a rebelled templar, Divine loyal templar, or an ex-templar).

Gaider predicted "angst" in his future, so I guess we'll see exactly how much. I'm a little concerned that maybe his story and experiences are a little too complex to be able to portrayed properly, sensitively, and still do justice to his overall character arc... even more so if it turns out that he's not a companion/LI.

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Thinking about it some more, it's possible that what happened to Cullen surrounding the whole Meredith/Kirkwall situation was actually a positive thing that may aid in his recovery... eventually. Ok, hear me out:

Had Meredith not gone gradually insane then he would've likely continued to put his doubts about the Order to the back of his mind, and become more zealotous with Meredith's positive affirmation towards his unhealthy attitude. By working with some of the more hardlined templars and witnessing how their moral ethics (or lack of) affected not only the way in which the Kirkwall Order was run, but also the cause and effect that it created (mages turning to blood magic to survive, Orsino turning into an abomination, the Chantry blowing up etc) and the overall negative outcome it had on the city itself.

Due to not only his torture at the hands of blood mages/demons in Ferelden, but the corruption and betrayal he faced in Kirkwall he's now seen the worst in both mages and templars and its clear that the current system doesn't work, but more importantly, he now knows that ANY power (be it magic, political power, authority over others etc) can corrupt ANYONE regardless of class, skill, wealth, social status etc. On a more positive note, he's also experienced the good in both mages and templars because he was still in Ferelden during the Blight, so he knows that the mages had done a lot of good during such a difficult time, doubly so if your Warden was a mage himself/herself (and that's not counting other variables like if your Hawke was a mage etc), and then there were a handful of "good" templars who were trying to put things right, even if they did naively put their trust in the wrong people, not to mention all the templars that stood by him when he asked Meredith to stand down. And then of course there's the divide between the rebelled templars and seekers, and the Divine-loyal ones, it's possible that he'll find like minded people with the Divine-loyals since their beliefs and goals are ultimately the same (based on David Gaiders thoughts on Cullen) so presumably he'll feel some sense of belonging and support in that alone.

I think, if he's realised anything, it's that the way power (of any sort) affects someone is down to the individuals themselves, whether a person uses said power for good or bad ultimately depends on their personality, willpower, motivation and purpose behind it. That doesn't mean he'll ever be be pro-mage, or even pro-templar by the end of DAI, but I think/hope he'll learn to trust/not trust people on a case by case basis regardless of their class/race/etc, rather than tarnishing all mages with the same brush. I don't think he'll ever make a full recovery in terms of symptoms like nightmares etc, but I think it's possible that he'll make a lot of improvement... especially with the support (and hopefully, love) of our new protagonist.

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