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[rapscallioness]

oh, if anybody wants to watch the panel on "Creating Romances in Video Games" w/Gaider and Jess at the GaymerX con here's the link. I just started watching it seems pretty good! David mentions how the Romances are so popular, and he doesn't understand why other devs shy away from it. You see romances in most films and what not. Also, how diff the experience is when it's You making the choices in a romance arc...etc...that's as far as i got..lol!

laterz!



www.youtube.com/watch

[rapscallioness]

Oh, I'm really enjoying this romance panel. I'm at one part where David is describing the Morrigan arc. How she has this armor, but once you do thru--how cool it is. Even as a friendship.

I just recently did that part in a DAO PT (i'm trying to king alistair and make my HN queeen. never done that). Morrigan says, are we friends? then real quickly she adds, "I have nothing to compare it ot."

I say, "I would hope so." you know? by now. then she's like, "of all the things I thought I might find on this journey, I never thought it would be a friend. Perhaps even a sister....whatever happens I just want you to know...it is appreciated. Truly."

Ugh! The Feels! Her mouth did this funny thing and her voice was a bit shakey. The whole thing was so incredibly moving.

[SamaraDraven]

rapscallioness wrote...

Oh, I'm really enjoying this romance panel. I'm at one part where David is describing the Morrigan arc. How she has this armor, but once you do thru--how cool it is. Even as a friendship.

I just recently did that part in a DAO PT (i'm trying to king alistair and make my HN queeen. never done that). Morrigan says, are we friends? then real quickly she adds, "I have nothing to compare it ot."

I say, "I would hope so." you know? by now. then she's like, "of all the things I thought I might find on this journey, I never thought it would be a friend. Perhaps even a sister....whatever happens I just want you to know...it is appreciated. Truly."

Ugh! The Feels! Her mouth did this funny thing and her voice was a bit shakey. The whole thing was so incredibly moving.

Yeah, befriending Morrigan is awesome. Although, the playthrough I first managed, it was almost accidental. I was playing my PC as a pragmatic, power driven woman and I hardly needed trinkets to boost Morrigan's approval. Though Alistair rather annoyed me because he was always second guessing me. And Lelianna too. *sigh* I wound up bribing the sh!t out of Alistair so I could talk him into doing Morrigan's ritual. I didn't want to die and wanted to put Anora on the throne. But keeping Loghain meant Alistair wouldn't run off to go do Wardeny things and I at least wanted him to have that so... Al got to take him down and then leave. As the game credits rolled I wished I could have had Morrigan there to sit with Anora and my PC and planned the new rules together over wine. *sigh*

[Adela]

hmm at the end of the panel DG said "I hope I make you cry alot of tears" for DAI oh God i have a bad feeling about this

-thinks of Cullen-

Modifié par ag99, 12 août 2013 - 04:16 .

[LolaLei]

ag99 wrote...

hmm at the end of the panel DG said "I hope I make you cry alot of tears" for DAI oh God i have a bad filling about this

-thinks of Cullen-

Oh god, please don't kill off any past companions! Or my Warden. And don't split up my protagonists from their LIs.

[Adela]

LolaLei wrote...

ag99 wrote...

hmm at the end of the panel DG said "I hope I make you cry alot of tears" for DAI oh God i have a bad filling about this

-thinks of Cullen-

Oh god, please don't kill off any past companions! Or my Warden. And don't split up my protagonists from their LIs.

Yea exactly .... ugh.... I really dont wanna cry at all in DAI specially  about our comapnions....
With the warden  I can "maybe" understand why he/she would die prob cause of the  "calling" thing but I dont think enough years have passed for that did it?

Modifié par ag99, 12 août 2013 - 04:10 .

[Adela]

LMAO I just realized i spelled feeling wrong

[CuriousArtemis]

He said that lovingly, with affection for the crowd. He wants to make them cry, make them have a meaningful connection with what he's written for them. It was a sweet moment.

[Adela]

a relationship can be meaningful without any tears involved tho, I mean when it comes to DG his theory of "meaningful " might be kind of "evil"

[rapscallioness]

SamaraDraven wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Oh, I'm really enjoying this romance panel. I'm at one part where David is describing the Morrigan arc. How she has this armor, but once you do thru--how cool it is. Even as a friendship.

I just recently did that part in a DAO PT (i'm trying to king alistair and make my HN queeen. never done that). Morrigan says, are we friends? then real quickly she adds, "I have nothing to compare it ot."

I say, "I would hope so." you know? by now. then she's like, "of all the things I thought I might find on this journey, I never thought it would be a friend. Perhaps even a sister....whatever happens I just want you to know...it is appreciated. Truly."

Ugh! The Feels! Her mouth did this funny thing and her voice was a bit shakey. The whole thing was so incredibly moving.

Yeah, befriending Morrigan is awesome. Although, the playthrough I first managed, it was almost accidental. I was playing my PC as a pragmatic, power driven woman and I hardly needed trinkets to boost Morrigan's approval. Though Alistair rather annoyed me because he was always second guessing me. And Lelianna too. *sigh* I wound up bribing the sh!t out of Alistair so I could talk him into doing Morrigan's ritual. I didn't want to die and wanted to put Anora on the throne. But keeping Loghain meant Alistair wouldn't run off to go do Wardeny things and I at least wanted him to have that so... Al got to take him down and then leave. As the game credits rolled I wished I could have had Morrigan there to sit with Anora and my PC and planned the new rules together over wine. *sigh*

lol! indeed. I had the same thought. It struck me in one PT that these three powerful women were getting together and basically deciding to rewrite history. The Warden, The Witch and The Queen. A serious Femme Pow Wow. "We got this, Guys. We got this."  *Pours sum wine*

[LolaLei]

I bet he kills off our mount. My poor horse/bronto/halla/notQunari!

[rapscallioness]

motomotogirl wrote...

He said that lovingly, with affection for the crowd. He wants to make them cry, make them have a meaningful connection with what he's written for them. It was a sweet moment.

yeah. I agree. The DA Team does BitterSweet really well. There is tragedy and difficult times, but they don't forget the Sweet.

Personally, I think Romance in games is really a very effective way to just grab the player and drag them into the story on a much deeper emotional level. It gets poo pooed alot, but it's really a very powerful tool to get players emotionally invested.

Very clever and very powerful. And really most "hero stories" have a romance. Have this Love. It makes them relateable.

Then as a video game, it's on a whole 'nother level cuz of its interactive nature. The audience/player is far more......psychologically attached cuz they are having the experience instead of just watching it, or reading it.

Actually I think reading a book comes very close to the type of "in your head" experience that games provide. Whereas movies/tv is more distant. I still enjoy a great flick, but it is a diff experience. And Idk for sure, but I strongly suspect it triggers very diff brain ...oh..what is it?...reactions/pathways..diff parts lighting up?

[Dirgegun]

After reading back, I think people are getting a bit too focused on details like the hairline and nose? I believe the guy looks quite a bit like Cullen, but that isn't the point I'm trying to make. The point is that it's concept art, and every artist has his/her own style. I think that's just the case here. That's not necessarily a receding hairline but instead just how that artist draws short wavey hair. That's not a broken nose, but instead how that artist just draws noses at that angle/draws noses in general-- Cassandra's nose looks very, very stylised, for example. So with that in mind, I don't think we can make too many assumptions over this character design. 

Admittedly, I just thought it looked like what Cullen, as is, would look like if a concept artist drew him. Receding hairlines and broken noses didn't even enter my head when I looked at that image. 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 12 août 2013 - 04:57 .

[Adela]

rapscallioness wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

He said that lovingly, with affection for the crowd. He wants to make them cry, make them have a meaningful connection with what he's written for them. It was a sweet moment.

yeah. I agree. The DA Team does BitterSweet really well. There is tragedy and difficult times, but they don't forget the Sweet.

I never played ME3 but from what i've heard at the PAX Aus panel  ME3 didnt really had a "sweet" part mostly bitter, in regards that pretty much everyone died , now granted ME3 wasnt written by DG but still , I can understand haveing bitter/sweet moments, but for example if they will pull stuff like they did with Fenris as in like when my Hawke romaced him and after she slept with him only to find out that he is dumping her , and then wait 3 years in order to get back together , if they would do something like that to Cullen if he even is a LI i would be kind of upset, because for example in my 1st PT in DA2 when Fenris dumped my Hawke  I wasnt even aware that there might be a chance  they would get back together  , and then i had no other choice but to romance freaking Anders,

In a way Fenris story did had a bitter/ sweet moment to it and Cullen might be eligeble for something like that but I just dont like the idea of Cullen dumping my Inquisitor  just because he/she decided to side with the mages or whatever idk for some ppl or maybe most ppl would find that intresting  but personally  I dont want any drama like that

[Dirgegun]

ag99 wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

He said that lovingly, with affection for the crowd. He wants to make them cry, make them have a meaningful connection with what he's written for them. It was a sweet moment.

yeah. I agree. The DA Team does BitterSweet really well. There is tragedy and difficult times, but they don't forget the Sweet.

I never played ME3 but from what i've heard at the PAX Aus panel  ME3 didnt really had a "sweet" part mostly bitter, in regards that pretty much everyone died , now granted ME3 wasnt written by DG but still , I can understand haveing bitter/sweet moments, but for example if they will pull stuff like they did with Fenris as in like when my Hawke romaced him and after she slept with him only to find out that he is dumping her , and then wait 3 years in order to get back together , if they would do something like that to Cullen if he even is a LI i would be kind of upset, because for example in my 1st PT in DA2 when Fenris dumped my Hawke  I wasnt even aware that there might be a chance  they would get back together  , and then i had no other choice but to romance freaking Anders,

In a way Fenris story did had a bitter/ sweet moment to it and Cullen might be eligeble for something like that but I just dont like the idea of Cullen dumping my Inquisitor  just because he/she decided to side with the mages or whatever idk for some ppl or maybe most ppl would find that intresting  but personally  I dont want any drama like that

To be fair Fenris had very, very good reasons to do what he did. It's also easier to run off in a city than when we're trudging across countryside trying to save the world, so I don't think any of the LIs would do something like that. Cullen is also a completely different character and deals with things completely different-- I don't think he'd even agree to sleep with someone unless he had plans on sticking around, but that's me making assumptions.

The Devs also wouldn't write any romance or character the same way as previous characters/romance arcs, so I don't think that's a worry at all.

[Adela]

Dirgegun wrote...


To be fair Fenris had very, very good reasons to do what he did. It's also easier to run off in a city than when we're trudging across countryside trying to save the world, so I don't think any of the LIs would do something like that. Cullen is also a completely different character and deals with things completely different-- I don't think he'd even agree to sleep with someone unless he had plans on sticking around, but that's me making assumptions.

The Devs also wouldn't write any romance or character the same way as previous characters/romance arcs, so I don't think that's a worry at all.

The only reason I said that is because in my opinion I think that Fenris and Cullen are a wee bit similar in regards that they were both  tortured by mages , granted I think Fenris had it much worse in regards that he was a slave and all , but kinda so did Cullen in DAO  with Uldred and Cullen I might fear he would be a more "pain" since he was betrayed  by both mages and templars  soo yea idk .. I guess I might just over think things, im gonna shut up now lol

Modifié par ag99, 12 août 2013 - 05:17 .

[rapscallioness]

@ag99 I never romanced Fenris so I can't speak first hand. But for the character I think the whole idea of that kinda intimacy was difficult for him. He has a history where that kinda thing is tied up w/alot of painful experiences.

So, imo, the writers weren't having him dump you for shytes and giggles, it was a part of his characterization. His story. His own personal demons with which he was dealing. If you romanced him, then you should know that abt him. You should understand wth he's wrestling with, and the depth of it.

Granted, even if you understand, it doesn't make it less painful for you. My point, however, is that I don't think Fenris leaving you then was something that was done arbitrarily. With cackling involved. It was more that it was true to form that someone w/his type of personal experiences and history would have a difficult time w/that type of intimacy at first.

The whole 3 years later thing was just kinda wonky overall.

[rapscallioness]

Also, if Fenris does come back, albeit 3 years later...from what I heard it's a very Sweet romance at that point, no?

[Adela]

@rapscallioness I did understood his pain and I thought , that maybe if he was with my Hawke she will help him get past all that, but instead he choose to "run away" and "think" things through.

And yes when he does come back it is a sweet moment but I suppose that Fenris cant concor his "demons" until his "master" is dead

But see this is where i kind of see the "similarity" between the two , sure there are diff characters but they kind of have a similar past with mages and for example for Cullen to be betrayed by both mages and Templar I think it would make his relationship even harder IMO, because now I think he might have "issues" with trusting ppl, now sure it might give it more depth that you might have to work harder to "gain his trust" and all, but idk i just dont want Cullen to be all paranoid about everything and let that get in the way of his happiness

[rapscallioness]

You know, at one point in the panel David mentioned sumthing abt how sum fans say they didn't feel like they knew the companions in DA2 as well as in DAO.

Some of that, I think may have to do w/technical stuff like the time skips. Missing time all over the place.

And also the physical proximity. In DAO you were all roughing together around the fire. In DA2 they're all separated. It just didn't have that same feeling of closeness simply cuz of physical proximity.

I even felt the diff in DAO when we ended up at Eamon's.

There is the whole becoming friends first, too. I really did like being able to ask them questions. Hear they're history..when they were ready. They asked me questions , too. I got to know them at a good pace. Then romance developed..

[rapscallioness]

ag99 wrote...

@rapscallioness I did understood his pain and I thought , that maybe if he was with my Hawke she will help him get past all that, but instead he choose to "run away" and "think" things through.

And yes when he does come back it is a sweet moment but I suppose that Fenris cant concor his "demons" until his "master" is dead

But see this is where i kind of see the "similarity" between the two , sure there are diff characters but they kind of have a similar past with mages and for example for Cullen to be betrayed by both mages and Templar I think it would make his relationship even harder IMO, because now I think he might have "issues" with trusting ppl, now sure it might give it more depth that you might have to work harder to "gain his trust" and all, but idk i just dont want Cullen to be all paranoid about everything and let that get in the way of his happiness

I see.

Well, he seemed pretty okay to me in DA2. There were a few glimpses of the ghost of mages past here and there. But he seemed to be adjusting.

It was alot of issues w/the romances in DA2. A lil too much for my tastes as well. So, I understand where you're coming from now. I hope they don;t make Cullen too..very, very.. I don't want his character to be all abt his tragedy. Or, even a cause. I definitely don;t wanna hear any companion harping on their personal cause, or tragedy. It's just too much.

Really in DA2 my ideal LI would have been a male version of Isabela. I couldn't romance Varric cuz he wasn't into humans. And Isabela is beautiful, but she doesn't do it for me like that. So...yeah.

but they're all gonna give you sum drama. Count on that. How much? Who knows. Knock on wood that it's all good.

[rapscallioness]

I don't see Cullen standing up to Meredith, and watching her go bat shyte insane, as a traumatizing event.

Personally, I think it was more of a sobering event. Maybe even one that was well needed for him. Sometimes the way he would go into that Templar speak...it seemed like the way someone that's a lil brainwashed would talk. Kinda like cult behavior. Trying too hard. Saying alomost exactly what's been pounded into their heads.

How the thing w/Meredith affects his overall view of Templar org. is hard to say. However, he did look up to her in the beginning. She was very much a mentor to him.

I think it was more of a moment when he realized that he needed to think for himself.

I'm sleepy now....hmm, okay. good night all

[Commander Kurt]

Night, raps!

I don't think that a possible romance with Cullen will be all sunshine and rainbows, not a chance. Yes, Zev actually got a happy, care-free romance in which everything panned out, but he was a bit unique in that regard. It also made him less interesting to me eventhough I hate drama and can't stand stuff like Game of Thrones.

Alistair running off when I recruited Loghain broke my heart, and I reloaded instantly. I still can't go through with it, eventhough I'm dying to see the new content that comes with making that choice. Him dying to save me or me dying to save him is beautiful, and I actually like that he dumps me to become king.

The thing I didn't like about the DA2 male LI's was that they were the cause of all the drama. Alistair responded to outside preassure or choices I made, and that's fine. I just can't deal with a guy who is himself the root of the problem. That stuff just don't do it for me. So when Fenris leaves and Anders goes off on a "I love you, but I'll hurt you" rant I just shrug and move on. I may sound callous, but I have no interest at all in fixing someone. Turn ons for me are words like "stable", or "dependable".

So, drama is fine by me. Heartbreak too. I just hope that it's due to external problems, not internal.

Modifié par Commander Kurt, 12 août 2013 - 06:45 .

[Commander Kurt]

Oh, and that picture. The guy next to Maybe!Cullen looks blondish to me, Maybe!Cullen not so much. As I said, I thought he looked like Kaidan when I first saw it. I will concede that the hair is definitely short and curly, and there might (or might not) be a stubble in all the right places, but I'm not at all convinced it's Cullen.
He is hawt though, so maybe we get him, beardy warden AND Cullen as male LI's???

[Jean]

rapscallioness wrote...

You know, at one point in the panel David mentioned sumthing abt how sum fans say they didn't feel like they knew the companions in DA2 as well as in DAO.

Some of that, I think may have to do w/technical stuff like the time skips. Missing time all over the place.

And also the physical proximity. In DAO you were all roughing together around the fire. In DA2 they're all separated. It just didn't have that same feeling of closeness simply cuz of physical proximity.

I even felt the diff in DAO when we ended up at Eamon's.

There is the whole becoming friends first, too. I really did like being able to ask them questions. Hear they're history..when they were ready. They asked me questions , too. I got to know them at a good pace. Then romance developed..

I was bummed I couldn't ask Anders about his multiple escape attempts and hear a funny story about one of them. Or even Isabela about some of her escapades. 
This would be very welcome in my DAI game.