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[Jean]

I'd just shove jewelry up Morrigan's butt to make her like me again.

She'd like my Warden when they'd have conversations together, but complain about outside choices, such as helping someone. I'd like to see a balance between the two if possible.

[LolaLei]

Aren't they planning to make it impossible for us to have everyone at 100% friendship this time around?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Aren't they planning to make it impossible for us to have everyone at 100% friendship this time around?

I haven't heard this... Hmm...

[CuriousArtemis]

So not a fan of the rivalries. Of course I don't mind some players wanting to play that kind of relationship with a character. But I'm definitely one of those who feels engaging in a romance with a "rival" is not exactly a healthy romance, lol!

I tried to do the rival romance with Fenris once and couldn't get all the way through the game! Went back to an earlier save and completed the friendmance......again lol I do wish you didn't have to metagame to make a friendship romance work though.

I dunno, it needs to change (and it will). And like with Fenris for example, disagreeing with him about mages ought to make him grumpy but not really affect his affections for you. But freeing slavers should make him fcuking hate you. Isabela... okay, she rolls her eyes when you are a goody two-shoes but she still loves you. Refuse to help a woman in need... oh eff that; she wants nothing to do with you now.

Like there should have been levels and nuances.

EDIT: The examples with Fen and Isabela are examples of how I think it should have been.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 12 août 2013 - 02:45 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Aren't they planning to make it impossible for us to have everyone at 100% friendship this time around?

I haven't heard this... Hmm...

It was a passing comment or small blurb in the article (I can't remember which). It was something about actions and reactions, and how people like to try to get all their characters to like them but that this time it wouldn't be possible, or something like that.

[MissRedZelda]

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

It would be great if they kept that aspect of the rivalry system which allowed our pc to still be able to romance a companion even when having major disagreement, but still kept the chance to abruptly end romance if the pc did something that their LI would be fundamentally against. Such as Anders' example someone mentioned before, I had no idea he would dump my protagonist if I made Feynriel tranquil. That's actually pretty cool. And I am totally with you Lola on the Fenris romance thingy. I just wish there was some extra dialog that would make the situation more clear.

As for Cullen and his portion of drama, I guess this is what makes me want to see more of him since I am curious about his character. I just want to see what the hell is going on in his head, how is he making sense of what has happened, how he's coping with what he's gone through, what kind of person he is. Only more interaction (as in being a companion/maybe LI) would provide us with some more depth to his character. So I am perfectly happy with drama, that's exactly what I am curious about

It's possible that I may be unfairly projecting my opinions onto others, but I believe that the rivalry system opened an unclosable door. The rivalry interactions were often very rewarding, and I don't think too many players want to give that up completely. Yeah, there are people who state with absolute conviction that rivaling Merrill is emotional abuse, and others who will say with just as much certainty that rivalling Anders is beating an already-broken man (I've been guilty of that myself on occasion), but that's what the friendship path is for. Some players feel that the hard truths are worth telling, and some players feel that the NPC is strong enough to take it. Others think the character has learned all he or she can from his or her mistakes, and they prefer to take a more protective role. One is not inherently "better" than the other, even if one may be more appealing to individual players.

TL;DR: I think most players appreciated the opportunity to be supportive without condoning behaviors they find objectionable. The rivalry system won't be back in its present form, but that doesn't mean it won't reappear in a new one.

Regarding Cullen, I'd really like some kind of rivalry system for him. He seems like a man who cherishes his beliefs, and faith grows best in adversity.

I see your point berelinde, and I also hope we have the opportunity to disagree with our companions without making them leave. I realized that again going back to DA:O, that I was constantly petrified I would get negative points and become a man down. So instead, I'm blowing sunshine up their @ss, which isn't very realistic...  While there were clear downsides to the friendship/rivalry system, I'm glad DG's comments on it suggest they're not totally going back to the Origins way.

I can see Cullen's rivalry being either challenging his beliefs in either the Templar Order or the Maker. Or maybe his past feelings towards Amell/Surana. I know it's been over ten years, but we never saw him get over his feelings for them, so it'd be nice to finally hear him speak about his past feelings for Amell/Surana.

I hope the do bring back the rivalry/friendship thing. I liked it, and I'm not one of the people who thinks rivaling Merril or Fenris or Anders is emptional abuse. If disagreeing with a friend over something is emotional abuse, then wouldn't we all be guilty of that? Disagreeing is not the same as abusing. It'd be like calling refusing to buy a child an ice cream child abuse.  I like how this system allowed you to disagree with your companions without running the risk of making them leave. I would have hated having to grit my teeth and agree with every mage bashing comment Fenris made, even though I was a proud mage or my sister was a mage. And I would have had to 100% support Merril on her quest even though I worried for her safety since she was well in over her head. And I liked how I was able to call Isabela out on her backstabbing ways. So please, bring back the rivalry/friendship system! It was one fo the best features of the game.

Oh my God guys, I had the best Dragon Age related dream last night! My Sarah Hawke met up with a Grey Warden Alistair and they had a quest together. And then afterward, Alistair said that there was someone here who wanted to see you. And it turned out to be my Amell Warden! Fully voiced and everything! I literally had a dream in which my Hawke was able to meet up with my Origins Warden! What made it even more sweet was that it happened literally after Leandra died and Carver was a Templar, so Sarah was able to speak with some family that was alive/around!

Please Bioware! Make my dream a reality! I wanna see my Warden apprear and fully voiced!

[neonmoth]

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

It would be great if they kept that aspect of the rivalry system which allowed our pc to still be able to romance a companion even when having major disagreement, but still kept the chance to abruptly end romance if the pc did something that their LI would be fundamentally against. Such as Anders' example someone mentioned before, I had no idea he would dump my protagonist if I made Feynriel tranquil. That's actually pretty cool. And I am totally with you Lola on the Fenris romance thingy. I just wish there was some extra dialog that would make the situation more clear.

As for Cullen and his portion of drama, I guess this is what makes me want to see more of him since I am curious about his character. I just want to see what the hell is going on in his head, how is he making sense of what has happened, how he's coping with what he's gone through, what kind of person he is. Only more interaction (as in being a companion/maybe LI) would provide us with some more depth to his character. So I am perfectly happy with drama, that's exactly what I am curious about

It's possible that I may be unfairly projecting my opinions onto others, but I believe that the rivalry system opened an unclosable door. The rivalry interactions were often very rewarding, and I don't think too many players want to give that up completely. Yeah, there are people who state with absolute conviction that rivaling Merrill is emotional abuse, and others who will say with just as much certainty that rivalling Anders is beating an already-broken man (I've been guilty of that myself on occasion), but that's what the friendship path is for. Some players feel that the hard truths are worth telling, and some players feel that the NPC is strong enough to take it. Others think the character has learned all he or she can from his or her mistakes, and they prefer to take a more protective role. One is not inherently "better" than the other, even if one may be more appealing to individual players.

TL;DR: I think most players appreciated the opportunity to be supportive without condoning behaviors they find objectionable. The rivalry system won't be back in its present form, but that doesn't mean it won't reappear in a new one.

Regarding Cullen, I'd really like some kind of rivalry system for him. He seems like a man who cherishes his beliefs, and faith grows best in adversity.

I see your point berelinde, and I also hope we have the opportunity to disagree with our companions without making them leave. I realized that again going back to DA:O, that I was constantly petrified I would get negative points and become a man down. So instead, I'm blowing sunshine up their @ss, which isn't very realistic...  While there were clear downsides to the friendship/rivalry system, I'm glad DG's comments on it suggest they're not totally going back to the Origins way.

I am definitely guilty of liking rivalry system, since it added more complexity to character relationships over what was available in dao. I never felt that I was abusing anyone (but I tried to avoid derogative comments, I was more on the confrontational side) but sometimes I wondered why they were still hanging out with me since there was no world to save. Still, I would like to see certain triggers that would make our LIs (or companions in general) to rebel against us, like e.g. Leliana's/Wynne's reaction when taking reaver spec in dao. In Cullen's case he could have a sort of rivalry relationship with mage/avid mage supporter but using blood magic would cross the line to the point that he would possibly leave the company. In this respect rivalry was a bit too easy and it would be great if there was some sort of threshold with what companions would tolerate or not.

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

It would be great if they kept that aspect of the rivalry system which allowed our pc to still be able to romance a companion even when having major disagreement, but still kept the chance to abruptly end romance if the pc did something that their LI would be fundamentally against. Such as Anders' example someone mentioned before, I had no idea he would dump my protagonist if I made Feynriel tranquil. That's actually pretty cool. And I am totally with you Lola on the Fenris romance thingy. I just wish there was some extra dialog that would make the situation more clear.

As for Cullen and his portion of drama, I guess this is what makes me want to see more of him since I am curious about his character. I just want to see what the hell is going on in his head, how is he making sense of what has happened, how he's coping with what he's gone through, what kind of person he is. Only more interaction (as in being a companion/maybe LI) would provide us with some more depth to his character. So I am perfectly happy with drama, that's exactly what I am curious about

It's possible that I may be unfairly projecting my opinions onto others, but I believe that the rivalry system opened an unclosable door. The rivalry interactions were often very rewarding, and I don't think too many players want to give that up completely. Yeah, there are people who state with absolute conviction that rivaling Merrill is emotional abuse, and others who will say with just as much certainty that rivalling Anders is beating an already-broken man (I've been guilty of that myself on occasion), but that's what the friendship path is for. Some players feel that the hard truths are worth telling, and some players feel that the NPC is strong enough to take it. Others think the character has learned all he or she can from his or her mistakes, and they prefer to take a more protective role. One is not inherently "better" than the other, even if one may be more appealing to individual players.

TL;DR: I think most players appreciated the opportunity to be supportive without condoning behaviors they find objectionable. The rivalry system won't be back in its present form, but that doesn't mean it won't reappear in a new one.

Regarding Cullen, I'd really like some kind of rivalry system for him. He seems like a man who cherishes his beliefs, and faith grows best in adversity.

I see your point berelinde, and I also hope we have the opportunity to disagree with our companions without making them leave. I realized that again going back to DA:O, that I was constantly petrified I would get negative points and become a man down. So instead, I'm blowing sunshine up their @ss, which isn't very realistic...  While there were clear downsides to the friendship/rivalry system, I'm glad DG's comments on it suggest they're not totally going back to the Origins way.

I sort of liked Sebastian's routes a bit more than the others though. It wouldn*t be realistic if they all did this, but I liked that he was either this revenge driven prince or repentant priest.

I'd hope for all of them to be that way, but I know it's unlikely.

I'm hoping they show the protagonist in their default gear today.

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

So not a fan of the rivalries. Of course I don't mind some players wanting to play that kind of relationship with a character. But I'm definitely one of those who feels engaging in a romance with a "rival" is not exactly a healthy romance, lol!

I tried to do the rival romance with Fenris once and couldn't get all the way through the game! Went back to an earlier save and completed the friendmance......again lol I do wish you didn't have to metagame to make a friendship romance work though.

I dunno, it needs to change (and it will). And like with Fenris for example, disagreeing with him about mages ought to make him grumpy but not really affect his affections for you. But freeing slavers should make him fcuking hate you. Isabela... okay, she rolls her eyes when you are a goody two-shoes but she still loves you. Refuse to help a woman in need... oh eff that; she wants nothing to do with you now.

Like there should have been levels and nuances.

EDIT: The examples with Fen and Isabela are examples of how I think it should have been.

I agree with that.

While I liked the concept of the friendship/rivalries, I often found that Hawke would be absolutely horrible to them, which (while some people may like) was too harsh for my tastes. For example, rival Hawke was absolutely hideous to Merrill (who is clearly very sensitive), and yet she'll still romance you even though you're being really cruel. If anything, you'd think that she'd refuse point blank to get involved with anyone who's so rude lol.

Really it should've been a case that you could oppose what they stand for (from a basic "I'm worried about your actions/beliefs") stance, but still be nice to them (if you wanted) from a friendship/romance level. And on the flipside, it would've been cool if you could absolutely despise a companion, but still agree with their core beliefs. I guess that would be too difficult to implement though.

Modifié par LolaLei, 12 août 2013 - 03:01 .

[CuriousArtemis]

But see, I think you should be able to romance Cullen as a mage and not having it be a "rivalry"... I mean I don't know about you, but when I think "love" and "life partner" I don't think "bitter hatred" lol Sure I think it should be an issue in the romance... he confronts you about it, but if you choose kind and patient responses, it should eventually allow him to accept and love you. (I hate using "you" here because it sounds like self-insert, but you know what I mean... the player character.)

But then if he catches you using blood magic, that's it; relationship over.

[R2s Muse]

Agree with you guys that it needs to have more nuance. Indeed, something big like blood magic with a character like Cullen should make him leave... or at least ****** him off enough for him to try to talk you out of doing it any more, or something. But, I would also hope I could say things that aren't "rah, rah, yay, Circle!" and he won't also leave me over that. I'd hope you could still challenge some of their dearly held beliefs... but within reason.

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

neonmoth wrote...

It would be great if they kept that aspect of the rivalry system which allowed our pc to still be able to romance a companion even when having major disagreement, but still kept the chance to abruptly end romance if the pc did something that their LI would be fundamentally against. Such as Anders' example someone mentioned before, I had no idea he would dump my protagonist if I made Feynriel tranquil. That's actually pretty cool. And I am totally with you Lola on the Fenris romance thingy. I just wish there was some extra dialog that would make the situation more clear.

As for Cullen and his portion of drama, I guess this is what makes me want to see more of him since I am curious about his character. I just want to see what the hell is going on in his head, how is he making sense of what has happened, how he's coping with what he's gone through, what kind of person he is. Only more interaction (as in being a companion/maybe LI) would provide us with some more depth to his character. So I am perfectly happy with drama, that's exactly what I am curious about

It's possible that I may be unfairly projecting my opinions onto others, but I believe that the rivalry system opened an unclosable door. The rivalry interactions were often very rewarding, and I don't think too many players want to give that up completely. Yeah, there are people who state with absolute conviction that rivaling Merrill is emotional abuse, and others who will say with just as much certainty that rivalling Anders is beating an already-broken man (I've been guilty of that myself on occasion), but that's what the friendship path is for. Some players feel that the hard truths are worth telling, and some players feel that the NPC is strong enough to take it. Others think the character has learned all he or she can from his or her mistakes, and they prefer to take a more protective role. One is not inherently "better" than the other, even if one may be more appealing to individual players.

TL;DR: I think most players appreciated the opportunity to be supportive without condoning behaviors they find objectionable. The rivalry system won't be back in its present form, but that doesn't mean it won't reappear in a new one.

Regarding Cullen, I'd really like some kind of rivalry system for him. He seems like a man who cherishes his beliefs, and faith grows best in adversity.

I see your point berelinde, and I also hope we have the opportunity to disagree with our companions without making them leave. I realized that again going back to DA:O, that I was constantly petrified I would get negative points and become a man down. So instead, I'm blowing sunshine up their @ss, which isn't very realistic...  While there were clear downsides to the friendship/rivalry system, I'm glad DG's comments on it suggest they're not totally going back to the Origins way.

I can see Cullen's rivalry being either challenging his beliefs in either the Templar Order or the Maker. Or maybe his past feelings towards Amell/Surana. I know it's been over ten years, but we never saw him get over his feelings for them, so it'd be nice to finally hear him speak about his past feelings for Amell/Surana.

Gosh, if he's still going on about my Amell after 10+ years my Inquisitor is gonna pop him one in the face. It's been years Cullen, she ain't interested, she's with Alistair. Move on, man! 

Modifié par LolaLei, 12 août 2013 - 02:57 .

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Really it should've been a case that you could oppose what they stand for (from a basic "I'm worried about your actions/beliefs") stance, but still be nice to them (if you wanted) from a friendship/romance level. And on the flipside, it would've been cool if you could absolutely dispise a companion, but still agree with their core beliefs. I guess that would be too difficult to implement though.

Exactly, this is just what I'd love to see  But yeah maybe it'd be too hard to implement. 

[neonmoth]

motomotogirl wrote...
*snip*
I dunno, it needs to change (and it will). And like with Fenris for example, disagreeing with him about mages ought to make him grumpy but not really affect his affections for you. But freeing slavers should make him fcuking hate you. Isabela... okay, she rolls her eyes when you are a goody two-shoes but she still loves you. Refuse to help a woman in need... oh eff that; she wants nothing to do with you now.

Like there should have been levels and nuances.

^^This is exactly what I mean when talking about having certain ignition points. There is a difference between having a disagreement and pc doing something that is fundamentally wrong in the eyes of the follower. Fenris is a perfect example. Thanks MMG x

I admit that I only rival Fen on my mage pts cause then I get rivalry points in no time only for supporting mages. In the second act I am full on against slavery and choose mostly friendly options with him. So I never feel that I am crossing a line. It doesn't fit for me that Fenris would stay with someone (not mentioning romacing!!) who supports slavery or is soft on slavers.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Gosh, if he's still going on about my Amell after 10+ years my Inquisitor is gonna pop him one in the face. It's been years Cullen, she ain't interested, she's with Alistair. Move on, man! 

If he starts going on about Amell I honestly think I might not be able to romance him LOL

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

But see, I think you should be able to romance Cullen as a mage and not having it be a "rivalry"... I mean I don't know about you, but when I think "love" and "life partner" I don't think "bitter hatred" lol Sure I think it should be an issue in the romance... he confronts you about it, but if you choose kind and patient responses, it should eventually allow him to accept and love you. (I hate using "you" here because it sounds like self-insert, but you know what I mean... the player character.)

But then if he catches you using blood magic, that's it; relationship over.

Agree. I think this is why the friendship/rivalry system didn't work as intended. I read somewhere that it was supposed to be about challenging one's beliefs, but not "bitter hatred" or abuse. So I can see why folks have varied opinions of how it was done. I'm just glad that they're evolving the system.

Thinking about it for the first time, I suppose it would be nice to not get everyone to 100% so easily. I found myself doing that as quickly as possible after a while in DA2, so then I could say whatever I wanted and not worry about what they would think/say. That's not realistic either.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

I can see Cullen's rivalry being either challenging his beliefs in either the Templar Order or the Maker. Or maybe his past feelings towards Amell/Surana. I know it's been over ten years, but we never saw him get over his feelings for them, so it'd be nice to finally hear him speak about his past feelings for Amell/Surana.

Gosh, if he's still going on about my Amell after 10+ years my Inquisitor is gonna pop him one in the face. It's been years Cullen, she ain't interested, she's with Alistair. Move on, man! 

LOL Yeah, I think Cullen has issues enough with his duty and views on what it  means to be a Templar to obviate the need to focus on a crush from his youth. Plus, for some players, that never even happened. Nevertheless, you know that for an Amell import, they'll add mention of it somewhere. I just hope it's not part of his core 'questioning beliefs' type quest.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 août 2013 - 03:02 .

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Gosh, if he's still going on about my Amell after 10+ years my Inquisitor is gonna pop him one in the face. It's been years Cullen, she ain't interested, she's with Alistair. Move on, man! 

If he starts going on about Amell I honestly think I might not be able to romance him LOL

Agreed.

I mean, by all means if your Warden was a female Amell/Surana and our Inquisitor can romance him then have him mention that he thought he was in love once, but it was just the silliness of youth or whatever, but I don't wanna hear him gushing (hur hur) about how our protagonist reminds him of a "very special woman", otherwise I'm gonna be like "right, **** you! My me-Inquisitor will not be second best to my me-Warden, go shove it up your arse!" 

[neonmoth]

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

But see, I think you should be able to romance Cullen as a mage and not having it be a "rivalry"... I mean I don't know about you, but when I think "love" and "life partner" I don't think "bitter hatred" lol Sure I think it should be an issue in the romance... he confronts you about it, but if you choose kind and patient responses, it should eventually allow him to accept and love you. (I hate using "you" here because it sounds like self-insert, but you know what I mean... the player character.)

But then if he catches you using blood magic, that's it; relationship over.

Agree. I think this is why the friendship/rivalry system didn't work as intended. I read somewhere that it was supposed to be about challenging one's beliefs, but not "bitter hatred" or abuse. So I can see why folks have varied opinions of how it was done. I'm just glad that they're evolving the system.

Thinking about it for the first time, I suppose it would be nice to not get everyone to 100% so easily. I found myself doing that as quickly as possible after a while in DA2, so then I could say whatever I wanted and not worry about what they would think/say. That's not realistic either.

Yeah, I second that agreement :] That's the problem with the oversimplification of the system, e.g. you can take rivalry as difference of opinion but then you also have abusive comments/actions, hence it becomes unclear what is meant by the rivalry. From where I am standing, when I am rivalring my LI I don't pick ALL of the rivalry options cause some of them do not make sense in the romantic context. That's why when I write about rivalring Cullen as mage I don't mean being offensive, rather disagreeing with his (present) views on magic and personal freedom.

[MissRedZelda]

It may be worth mentioning. You know, since Amell's either dead (it's a pretty big deal when someone you used to love died) or the Hero of Fereldan.

[R2s Muse]

MissRedZelda wrote...

It may be worth mentioning. You know, since Amell's either dead (it's a pretty big deal when someone you used to love died) or the Hero of Fereldan.

Oh, they'll mention it for sure, if you  have that kind of an import. But I'm imagining it could be a passing comment or in his codex or something.

[LolaLei]

neonmoth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

But see, I think you should be able to romance Cullen as a mage and not having it be a "rivalry"... I mean I don't know about you, but when I think "love" and "life partner" I don't think "bitter hatred" lol Sure I think it should be an issue in the romance... he confronts you about it, but if you choose kind and patient responses, it should eventually allow him to accept and love you. (I hate using "you" here because it sounds like self-insert, but you know what I mean... the player character.)

But then if he catches you using blood magic, that's it; relationship over.

Agree. I think this is why the friendship/rivalry system didn't work as intended. I read somewhere that it was supposed to be about challenging one's beliefs, but not "bitter hatred" or abuse. So I can see why folks have varied opinions of how it was done. I'm just glad that they're evolving the system.

Thinking about it for the first time, I suppose it would be nice to not get everyone to 100% so easily. I found myself doing that as quickly as possible after a while in DA2, so then I could say whatever I wanted and not worry about what they would think/say. That's not realistic either.

Yeah, I second that agreement :] That's the problem with the oversimplification of the system, e.g. you can take rivalry as difference of opinion but then you also have abusive comments/actions, hence it becomes unclear what is meant by the rivalry. From where I am standing, when I am rivalring my LI I don't pick ALL of the rivalry options cause some of them do not make sense in the romantic context. That's why when I write about rivalring Cullen as mage I don't mean being offensive, rather disagreeing with his (present) views on magic and personal freedom.

I think it didn't help that the aggressive tone wasn't always clear cut. For example, during Merrill's final quest her clan will threaten to attack you. It literally wasn't until very recently that I discovered that you can avoid killing her clan by using the aggressive option, whereas before I always used the diplomatic or sarcastic approach because I assumed that defusing the situation would prevent a fight, and aggressiveness would provoke.

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Gosh, if he's still going on about my Amell after 10+ years my Inquisitor is gonna pop him one in the face. It's been years Cullen, she ain't interested, she's with Alistair. Move on, man! 

If he starts going on about Amell I honestly think I might not be able to romance him LOL

Agreed.

I mean, by all means if your Warden was a female Amell/Surana and our Inquisitor can romance him then have him mention that he thought he was in love once, but it was just the silliness of youth or whatever, but I don't wanna hear him gushing (hur hur) about how our protagonist reminds him of a "very special woman", otherwise I'm gonna be like "right, **** you! My me-Inquisitor will not be second best to my me-Warden, go shove it up your arse!" 

Ehh, I really like his role in mage origins but if he mentions Surana/Amell to my Inquizzy (sic!) I might have problem romancing him. Everybody has past but if dude entertains me with tales of his old crush I can't treat him seriously. It wasn't even a proper relationship.

[neonmoth]

LolaLei wrote...
I think it didn't help that the aggressive tone wasn't always clear cut. For example, during Merrill's final quest her clan will threaten to attack you. It literally wasn't until very recently that I discovered that you can avoid killing her clan by using the aggressive option, whereas before I always used the diplomatic or sarcastic approach because I assumed that defusing the situation would prevent a fight, and aggressiveness would provoke.

Yeah, I hope the paraphrasing system will be a bit better cause I often felt ashamed of my Hawke, master of diplomacy and charm cracking inappropriate jokes.

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

It may be worth mentioning. You know, since Amell's either dead (it's a pretty big deal when someone you used to love died) or the Hero of Fereldan.

Not really. I mean, yes it's gutting when anybody you like (be it as friendship, love or aquaintance) dies, but in Cullen's case he'd barely spoke to the girl when he was serving in the circle with her.

If you talk to him he'll make it clear that he's been admiring her from afar, you can even go as far as having your Warden be like "who are you?" They were never close, there was never any secret love trists going on between them beyond the option of having your Warden attempt to shag him completely out of the blue. It was literally just Cullen being silently (but obviously) infatuated.

Based on that alone, it doesn't really make sense for him to still be not over Amell/Surana 10+ years later (let alone waxing lyrical about her), regardless of who she is, or what happened to her. If it had been a situation like Varric and Bianca, then I could understand, but it wasn't and if you wipe away all the head canon, there was never any indication that there was anything between Cullen and Surana/Amell.

Modifié par LolaLei, 12 août 2013 - 03:22 .