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[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

But see, I think you should be able to romance Cullen as a mage and not having it be a "rivalry"... I mean I don't know about you, but when I think "love" and "life partner" I don't think "bitter hatred" lol Sure I think it should be an issue in the romance... he confronts you about it, but if you choose kind and patient responses, it should eventually allow him to accept and love you. (I hate using "you" here because it sounds like self-insert, but you know what I mean... the player character.)

But then if he catches you using blood magic, that's it; relationship over.

Agree. I think this is why the friendship/rivalry system didn't work as intended. I read somewhere that it was supposed to be about challenging one's beliefs, but not "bitter hatred" or abuse. So I can see why folks have varied opinions of how it was done. I'm just glad that they're evolving the system.

Thinking about it for the first time, I suppose it would be nice to not get everyone to 100% so easily. I found myself doing that as quickly as possible after a while in DA2, so then I could say whatever I wanted and not worry about what they would think/say. That's not realistic either.

Uh huh. That bit of metagaming, getting the NPC to 100% so you could play the game the way you wanted is totally not the way it was supposed to work... but (dare I say) we all did it.

And contrary to popular opinion, the DA2 companions did have more than one hot button, and the second was often overlooked in a friendship/rivalry situation.

Rivarly Fenris doesn't differentiate enough between being pro-mage and being pro-slaver. Anders has trouble differentiating between being pro-templar and being pro-blood magic (and he gives rivalry points for being cruel to innocents regarless or whether magic is involved, a point often overlooked). Etc. Complex characters are great, but there really needs to be a deal-breaker. There's no way Fenris should stay with Hawke if he says "Slaves are useful" when recruiting Orana.

Yeah, I could definitely see blood magic being a deal-breaker for Cullen, but at this point, I'm pretty sure he has figured out that power is more corrupting than magic. Hopefully, mages will be able to romance him without being necessarily pro-templar. Squbbles and disagreements are fine. I don't expect him to cave on his beliefs. But it should be a subject for discussion, not a relationship toggle.

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

But see, I think you should be able to romance Cullen as a mage and not having it be a "rivalry"... I mean I don't know about you, but when I think "love" and "life partner" I don't think "bitter hatred" lol Sure I think it should be an issue in the romance... he confronts you about it, but if you choose kind and patient responses, it should eventually allow him to accept and love you. (I hate using "you" here because it sounds like self-insert, but you know what I mean... the player character.)

But then if he catches you using blood magic, that's it; relationship over.

Agree. I think this is why the friendship/rivalry system didn't work as intended. I read somewhere that it was supposed to be about challenging one's beliefs, but not "bitter hatred" or abuse. So I can see why folks have varied opinions of how it was done. I'm just glad that they're evolving the system.

Thinking about it for the first time, I suppose it would be nice to not get everyone to 100% so easily. I found myself doing that as quickly as possible after a while in DA2, so then I could say whatever I wanted and not worry about what they would think/say. That's not realistic either.

Uh huh. That bit of metagaming, getting the NPC to 100% so you could play the game the way you wanted is totally not the way it was supposed to work... but (dare I say) we all did it.

And contrary to popular opinion, the DA2 companions did have more than one hot button, and the second was often overlooked in a friendship/rivalry situation.

Rivarly Fenris doesn't differentiate enough between being pro-mage and being pro-slaver. Anders has trouble differentiating between being pro-templar and being pro-blood magic (and he gives rivalry points for being cruel to innocents regarless or whether magic is involved, a point often overlooked). Etc. Complex characters are great, but there really needs to be a deal-breaker. There's no way Fenris should stay with Hawke if he says "Slaves are useful" when recruiting Orana.

Yeah, I could definitely see blood magic being a deal-breaker for Cullen, but at this point, I'm pretty sure he has figured out that power is more corrupting than magic. Hopefully, mages will be able to romance him without being necessarily pro-templar. Squbbles and disagreements are fine. I don't expect him to cave on his beliefs. But it should be a subject for discussion, not a relationship toggle.

LOL down with toggles!

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

It may be worth mentioning. You know, since Amell's either dead (it's a pretty big deal when someone you used to love died) or the Hero of Fereldan.

Not really. I mean, yes it's gutting when anybody you like (be it as friendship, love or aquaintance) dies, but in Cullen's case he'd barely spoke to the girl when he was serving in the circle with her.

If you talk to him he'll make it clear that he's been admiring her from afar, you can even go as far as having your Warden be like "who are you?" They were never close, there was never any secret love trists going on between them beyond the option of having your Warden attempt to shag him completely out of the blue. It was literally just Cullen being silently (but obviously) infatuated.

Based on that alone, it doesn't really make sense for him to still be not over Amell/Surana 10+ years later (let alone waxing lyrical about her), regardless of who she is, or what happened to her. If it had been a situation like Varric and Bianca, then I could understand, but it wasn't and if you wipe away all the head canon, there was never any indication that there was anything between Cullen and Surana/Amell.

I'd kind of like it if he were embarrassed about it. Maybe the other templars tease him. Maybe he just can't believe he was that innocent. Maybe he feels guilty for liking her for the wrong reasons. There's a lot of directions this can go. But yeah, he'd really better not be obsessing about her 10+ years later.

[Dirgegun]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

After reading back, I think people are getting a bit too focused on details like the hairline and nose? I believe the guy looks quite a bit like Cullen, but that isn't the point I'm trying to make. The point is that it's concept art, and every artist has his/her own style. I think that's just the case here. That's not necessarily a receding hairline but instead just how that artist draws short wavey hair. That's not a broken nose, but instead how that artist just draws noses at that angle/draws noses in general-- Cassandra's nose looks very, very stylised, for example. So with that in mind, I don't think we can make too many assumptions over this character design. 

Admittedly, I just thought it looked like what Cullen, as is, would look like if a concept artist drew him. Receding hairlines and broken noses didn't even enter my head when I looked at that image. 

Well,  the point of the discussion is exactly that artists styles all vary, so then what makes a fan perk up and say, unequivocally, "Yup, that's Cullen!" The specific style of this concept artist isn't the point, since yeah, it's just concept art. My point was, what makes Cullen look like Cullen, since every representation we see is an artist's representation, even in-game.

To add to what R2 said above, the core question was: "what are his core features and physical traits that makes Cullen recognisable under any/every form of concept/fanart/in-game model".

Ah, well in that case I'd say it's in the general look of the character and his reaction in that situation, yeah-- definitely his reaction in that situation. I know to be careful and not get my hopes too high, but I will be surprised if whoever drew that concept art didn't mean for tha to be Cullen just because of the look and his reaction to the chaos/the Inquistor catching bad habits from Cas. 

[Dirgegun]

Well, it is possible to rival without being nasty (I say without doing any of the actual rival romances yet. I'm a little too afraid to try any of the actual rival romances). I had Fenris at full rival in my canon Hawke by the end of the game, just because I was a mage and he didn't like that. At all. I actually found it quite funny, because my Hawke was so nonchalant about Fenris' grr most of the time that it came across as a pretty one sided rivalry with my Hawke just not even really noticing/being nice to Fenris regardless. 

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

It may be worth mentioning. You know, since Amell's either dead (it's a pretty big deal when someone you used to love died) or the Hero of Fereldan.

Not really. I mean, yes it's gutting when anybody you like (be it as friendship, love or aquaintance) dies, but in Cullen's case he'd barely spoke to the girl when he was serving in the circle with her.

If you talk to him he'll make it clear that he's been admiring her from afar, you can even go as far as having your Warden be like "who are you?" They were never close, there was never any secret love trists going on between them beyond the option of having your Warden attempt to shag him completely out of the blue. It was literally just Cullen being silently (but obviously) infatuated.

Based on that alone, it doesn't really make sense for him to still be not over Amell/Surana 10+ years later (let alone waxing lyrical about her), regardless of who she is, or what happened to her. If it had been a situation like Varric and Bianca, then I could understand, but it wasn't and if you wipe away all the head canon, there was never any indication that there was anything between Cullen and Surana/Amell.

I'd kind of like it if he were embarrassed about it. Maybe the other templars tease him. Maybe he just can't believe he was that innocent. Maybe he feels guilty for liking her for the wrong reasons. There's a lot of directions this can go. But yeah, he'd really better not be obsessing about her 10+ years later.

Agreed.

Like I said in one of my other ranty posts, by all means have him reference it from a "I was young and naive" stand point, but definitely not "woe is me, I still love that very special woman and now I'm confused because I love you too" kind of bollocks.

[MissRedZelda]

I suppose so. Still, at least in in game mention would suffice. Since either way you look at it, she was a part of his life. But, it must just be my headcanon getting in the way (My Amell's story goes that she and him did have a secret relationship. She was his first love, and him hers.) I just kinda wish you could choose what kind of relationship they had. I just think it'd add a bit more of a dynamic in Cullen's growing relationship with Inquisitor.

I know, some people don't like the idea of Cullen and Amell having an old secret relationship. I don't mind the idea. Honestly, I always kinda found his fumbling attempts at speaking with her cute. But, sorry for letting my headcanon get in the way.

But, I hope we do get to see the Warden again. I'd love to see my Amell Warden again. Fully voice acted and interacting with her long lost cousin Hawke, and Inquissie. Just like in my dream :-)

[berelinde]

 This post makes me less depressed. Granted, the GI article and the concept art do suggest companion status, but maybe not a permanent one after all? Time will tell, I guess. And this isn't only because I like somebody else for the pro-Circle mage party slot. I get a lot more out of the game when I can hang out with female friends (seriously, interacting with Isabela, Aveline, and Merrill really made DA2 come alive for me), and Vivienne didn't seem like she'd be down with that.

[brushyourteeth]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...


I sort of liked Sebastian's routes a bit more than the others though. It wouldn*t be realistic if they all did this, but I liked that he was either this revenge driven prince or repentant priest.

I'd hope for all of them to be that way, but I know it's unlikely.

I'm hoping they show the protagonist in their default gear today.

Yeah, I have to wonder how they're going to do that. Since your interaction with Seb's character dramatically changed his outlook and his set course in life, and then imports are going to be different... hmm. I'm just curious how they're going to pull that one off in DA:I (if he's even in the game.)

And then some people *cough*meanieweenie*cough* haven't even played Sebastian's content. So maybe he'll end up coming to the same conclusion about princehood/priesthood no matter what. Do you have any theories, Danny?

[neonmoth]

MissRedZelda wrote...

I suppose so. Still, at least in in game mention would suffice. Since either way you look at it, she was a part of his life. But, it must just be my headcanon getting in the way (My Amell's story goes that she and him did have a secret relationship. She was his first love, and him hers.) I just kinda wish you could choose what kind of relationship they had. I just think it'd add a bit more of a dynamic in Cullen's growing relationship with Inquisitor.

I know, some people don't like the idea of Cullen and Amell having an old secret relationship. I don't mind the idea. Honestly, I always kinda found his fumbling attempts at speaking with her cute. But, sorry for letting my headcanon get in the way.

But, I hope we do get to see the Warden again. I'd love to see my Amell Warden again. Fully voice acted and interacting with her long lost cousin Hawke, and Inquissie. Just like in my dream :-)

I don't mind it either (I was guilty of it after playing mage origins for the first time:)) but it will never be supported in canon (since not everyone likes the idea), hence they never had a secret relationship, just his distant crush. Now, it is still possible to headcannon that it happened but if they included it in the dialog, please no. I love my Suranas/Amells but for me guys who talk about old loves are out of the market and I really would like him to be LI

[Dirgegun]

MissRedZelda wrote...

I suppose so. Still, at least in in game mention would suffice. Since either way you look at it, she was a part of his life. But, it must just be my headcanon getting in the way (My Amell's story goes that she and him did have a secret relationship. She was his first love, and him hers.) I just kinda wish you could choose what kind of relationship they had. I just think it'd add a bit more of a dynamic in Cullen's growing relationship with Inquisitor.

I know, some people don't like the idea of Cullen and Amell having an old secret relationship. I don't mind the idea. Honestly, I always kinda found his fumbling attempts at speaking with her cute. But, sorry for letting my headcanon get in the way.

But, I hope we do get to see the Warden again. I'd love to see my Amell Warden again. Fully voice acted and interacting with her long lost cousin Hawke, and Inquissie. Just like in my dream :-)

I personally like that you can't decide what their relationship was, seeing there'd be a lot of issues involved in a Templar/Mage secret relationship, and just using it as a toss aside concept in an origin would be pretty disatisfying to me. It feels like something like that needs a proper look at if they do anything with it-- which is doubtful now that the Circles are non-existant. 

...That and I'm totally over the LIs that whinge about past loves. "Tell me about the girlfriend/wife you loved and constantly compare me to!" is never one of my character's turn ons.  

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

I suppose so. Still, at least in in game mention would suffice. Since either way you look at it, she was a part of his life. But, it must just be my headcanon getting in the way (My Amell's story goes that she and him did have a secret relationship. She was his first love, and him hers.) I just kinda wish you could choose what kind of relationship they had. I just think it'd add a bit more of a dynamic in Cullen's growing relationship with Inquisitor.

I know, some people don't like the idea of Cullen and Amell having an old secret relationship. I don't mind the idea. Honestly, I always kinda found his fumbling attempts at speaking with her cute. But, sorry for letting my headcanon get in the way.

But, I hope we do get to see the Warden again. I'd love to see my Amell Warden again. Fully voice acted and interacting with her long lost cousin Hawke, and Inquissie. Just like in my dream :-)

I'm actually really glad that we couldn't pick what their relationship was, it would've definitely made things difficult for future games if he is ever made a companion/LI.

Plus, for a lot of people it would feel difficult, like, for example, if you romanced Alistair and then all of a sudden he showed up in DA2 single and started flirting with Hawke, I'd be like WTF! The fact that nothing ever happened with Cullen and Amell/Surana (in my opinion) was great because while we got a little taster of what he's like when he's in-love/crushing on someone, we have no need to feel bad about romancing him with a new protagonist.

Modifié par LolaLei, 12 août 2013 - 03:55 .

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

 This post makes me less depressed. Granted, the GI article and the concept art do suggest companion status, but maybe not a permanent one after all? Time will tell, I guess. And this isn't only because I like somebody else for the pro-Circle mage party slot. I get a lot more out of the game when I can hang out with female friends (seriously, interacting with Isabela, Aveline, and Merrill really made DA2 come alive for me), and Vivienne didn't seem like she'd be down with that.

I'm not sure I know which one you're referring to...? That takes me to the first page of the thread. Do you mean where Mary Kirby said she wrote Vivienne...? http://social.biowar...6310/2#17131589

[LolaLei]

Dirgegun wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

I suppose so. Still, at least in in game mention would suffice. Since either way you look at it, she was a part of his life. But, it must just be my headcanon getting in the way (My Amell's story goes that she and him did have a secret relationship. She was his first love, and him hers.) I just kinda wish you could choose what kind of relationship they had. I just think it'd add a bit more of a dynamic in Cullen's growing relationship with Inquisitor.

I know, some people don't like the idea of Cullen and Amell having an old secret relationship. I don't mind the idea. Honestly, I always kinda found his fumbling attempts at speaking with her cute. But, sorry for letting my headcanon get in the way.

But, I hope we do get to see the Warden again. I'd love to see my Amell Warden again. Fully voice acted and interacting with her long lost cousin Hawke, and Inquissie. Just like in my dream :-)

I personally like that you can't decide what their relationship was, seeing there'd be a lot of issues involved in a Templar/Mage secret relationship, and just using it as a toss aside concept in an origin would be pretty disatisfying to me. It feels like something like that needs a proper look at if they do anything with it-- which is doubtful now that the Circles are non-existant. 

...That and I'm totally over the LIs that whinge about past loves. "Tell me about the girlfriend/wife you loved and constantly compare me to!" is never one of my character's turn ons.  

*Eyeballs Carth, Sky and Thane* 

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...


I sort of liked Sebastian's routes a bit more than the others though. It wouldn*t be realistic if they all did this, but I liked that he was either this revenge driven prince or repentant priest.

I'd hope for all of them to be that way, but I know it's unlikely.

I'm hoping they show the protagonist in their default gear today.

Yeah, I have to wonder how they're going to do that. Since your interaction with Seb's character dramatically changed his outlook and his set course in life, and then imports are going to be different... hmm. I'm just curious how they're going to pull that one off in DA:I (if he's even in the game.)

And then some people *cough*meanieweenie*cough* haven't even played Sebastian's content. So maybe he'll end up coming to the same conclusion about princehood/priesthood no matter what. Do you have any theories, Danny?

If Seb's in the game... I won't care what conclusions he came to in DA2. I'll just happy dance!

Gosh... I hope they don't have him show up only if you had the DLCs...?

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

 This post makes me less depressed. Granted, the GI article and the concept art do suggest companion status, but maybe not a permanent one after all? Time will tell, I guess. And this isn't only because I like somebody else for the pro-Circle mage party slot. I get a lot more out of the game when I can hang out with female friends (seriously, interacting with Isabela, Aveline, and Merrill really made DA2 come alive for me), and Vivienne didn't seem like she'd be down with that.

I'm not sure I know which one you're referring to...? That takes me to the first page of the thread. Do you mean where Mary Kirby said she wrote Vivienne...? http://social.biowar...6310/2#17131589

Yup, that's the post I meant. I tried linking Mary Kirby's post, but the link button misdirected. The part that made my poor abused heart go aflutter was the part where she said " You guys know that I write all sorts of characters who aren't followers, right?" It isn't much, but it's something.

[Dirgegun]

LolaLei wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

I suppose so. Still, at least in in game mention would suffice. Since either way you look at it, she was a part of his life. But, it must just be my headcanon getting in the way (My Amell's story goes that she and him did have a secret relationship. She was his first love, and him hers.) I just kinda wish you could choose what kind of relationship they had. I just think it'd add a bit more of a dynamic in Cullen's growing relationship with Inquisitor.

I know, some people don't like the idea of Cullen and Amell having an old secret relationship. I don't mind the idea. Honestly, I always kinda found his fumbling attempts at speaking with her cute. But, sorry for letting my headcanon get in the way.

But, I hope we do get to see the Warden again. I'd love to see my Amell Warden again. Fully voice acted and interacting with her long lost cousin Hawke, and Inquissie. Just like in my dream :-)

I personally like that you can't decide what their relationship was, seeing there'd be a lot of issues involved in a Templar/Mage secret relationship, and just using it as a toss aside concept in an origin would be pretty disatisfying to me. It feels like something like that needs a proper look at if they do anything with it-- which is doubtful now that the Circles are non-existant. 

...That and I'm totally over the LIs that whinge about past loves. "Tell me about the girlfriend/wife you loved and constantly compare me to!" is never one of my character's turn ons.  

*Eyeballs Carth, Sky and Thane* 

Kaiden did it a little bit too, with that girl from band camp brain camp.

[MissRedZelda]

If I recall, there were plenty of Templar/Mage secret relationships going on in the background of the game. So, it wouldn't be much of stretch to include it if they so chose to.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not asking them to make Cullen a complete obsessed guy over her even after ten years. But I also don't want him to treat his infatuation for her like it was a mistake - a "whoopsie" and such. Make him talk about her if he's asked. If she was the Warden, make him admire her past deeds in saving Fereldan. And then maybe mention that he . . . knew he, he'd suppose. Inquissie would probably get the idea.

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

 This post makes me less depressed. Granted, the GI article and the concept art do suggest companion status, but maybe not a permanent one after all? Time will tell, I guess. And this isn't only because I like somebody else for the pro-Circle mage party slot. I get a lot more out of the game when I can hang out with female friends (seriously, interacting with Isabela, Aveline, and Merrill really made DA2 come alive for me), and Vivienne didn't seem like she'd be down with that.

I'm not sure I know which one you're referring to...? That takes me to the first page of the thread. Do you mean where Mary Kirby said she wrote Vivienne...? http://social.biowar...6310/2#17131589

Yup, that's the post I meant. I tried linking Mary Kirby's post, but the link button misdirected. The part that made my poor abused heart go aflutter was the part where she said " You guys know that I write all sorts of characters who aren't followers, right?" It isn't much, but it's something.

You mean, suggesting that Vivienne isn't a follower...? Or that you're hopeful that Mary will also write someone else you'll like better...?

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 août 2013 - 04:24 .

[brushyourteeth]

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...


I sort of liked Sebastian's routes a bit more than the others though. It wouldn*t be realistic if they all did this, but I liked that he was either this revenge driven prince or repentant priest.

I'd hope for all of them to be that way, but I know it's unlikely.

I'm hoping they show the protagonist in their default gear today.

Yeah, I have to wonder how they're going to do that. Since your interaction with Seb's character dramatically changed his outlook and his set course in life, and then imports are going to be different... hmm. I'm just curious how they're going to pull that one off in DA:I (if he's even in the game.)

And then some people *cough*meanieweenie*cough* haven't even played Sebastian's content. So maybe he'll end up coming to the same conclusion about princehood/priesthood no matter what. Do you have any theories, Danny?

If Seb's in the game... I won't care what conclusions he came to in DA2. I'll just happy dance!

Gosh... I hope they don't have him show up only if you had the DLCs...?

I guess they could, but then it'd be a pretty minor appearance, huh? Like Nathaniel in DAII...

What a waste of an intriguing character, though!!

[R2s Muse]

Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

I suppose so. Still, at least in in game mention would suffice. Since either way you look at it, she was a part of his life. But, it must just be my headcanon getting in the way (My Amell's story goes that she and him did have a secret relationship. She was his first love, and him hers.) I just kinda wish you could choose what kind of relationship they had. I just think it'd add a bit more of a dynamic in Cullen's growing relationship with Inquisitor.

I know, some people don't like the idea of Cullen and Amell having an old secret relationship. I don't mind the idea. Honestly, I always kinda found his fumbling attempts at speaking with her cute. But, sorry for letting my headcanon get in the way.

But, I hope we do get to see the Warden again. I'd love to see my Amell Warden again. Fully voice acted and interacting with her long lost cousin Hawke, and Inquissie. Just like in my dream :-)

I personally like that you can't decide what their relationship was, seeing there'd be a lot of issues involved in a Templar/Mage secret relationship, and just using it as a toss aside concept in an origin would be pretty disatisfying to me. It feels like something like that needs a proper look at if they do anything with it-- which is doubtful now that the Circles are non-existant. 

...That and I'm totally over the LIs that whinge about past loves. "Tell me about the girlfriend/wife you loved and constantly compare me to!" is never one of my character's turn ons.  

*Eyeballs Carth, Sky and Thane* 

Kaiden did it a little bit too, with that girl from band camp brain camp.

Bwahahaha!!  Didn't even play ME... but this was funny...

[LolaLei]

Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

I suppose so. Still, at least in in game mention would suffice. Since either way you look at it, she was a part of his life. But, it must just be my headcanon getting in the way (My Amell's story goes that she and him did have a secret relationship. She was his first love, and him hers.) I just kinda wish you could choose what kind of relationship they had. I just think it'd add a bit more of a dynamic in Cullen's growing relationship with Inquisitor.

I know, some people don't like the idea of Cullen and Amell having an old secret relationship. I don't mind the idea. Honestly, I always kinda found his fumbling attempts at speaking with her cute. But, sorry for letting my headcanon get in the way.

But, I hope we do get to see the Warden again. I'd love to see my Amell Warden again. Fully voice acted and interacting with her long lost cousin Hawke, and Inquissie. Just like in my dream :-)

I personally like that you can't decide what their relationship was, seeing there'd be a lot of issues involved in a Templar/Mage secret relationship, and just using it as a toss aside concept in an origin would be pretty disatisfying to me. It feels like something like that needs a proper look at if they do anything with it-- which is doubtful now that the Circles are non-existant. 

...That and I'm totally over the LIs that whinge about past loves. "Tell me about the girlfriend/wife you loved and constantly compare me to!" is never one of my character's turn ons.  

*Eyeballs Carth, Sky and Thane* 

Kaiden did it a little bit too, with that girl from band camp brain camp.

Lol, he wasn't quite so bad fortunately. But even that was a bit ridiculous, he was supposed to be 17 when he'd last seen the girl! 

[Dirgegun]

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

 This post makes me less depressed. Granted, the GI article and the concept art do suggest companion status, but maybe not a permanent one after all? Time will tell, I guess. And this isn't only because I like somebody else for the pro-Circle mage party slot. I get a lot more out of the game when I can hang out with female friends (seriously, interacting with Isabela, Aveline, and Merrill really made DA2 come alive for me), and Vivienne didn't seem like she'd be down with that.

I'm not sure I know which one you're referring to...? That takes me to the first page of the thread. Do you mean where Mary Kirby said she wrote Vivienne...? http://social.biowar...6310/2#17131589

Yup, that's the post I meant. I tried linking Mary Kirby's post, but the link button misdirected. The part that made my poor abused heart go aflutter was the part where she said " You guys know that I write all sorts of characters who aren't followers, right?" It isn't much, but it's something.

...I don't want to be the jerk that rains on your parade, but I think she added that part about writing characters who aren't followers because of the Twitter quote people were linking, about someone wanting to slap one of her characters everytime she spoke? People assumed that character would be a party member, and then Mary came in and said she doesn't only write followers.

I personally don't share or really understand your dislike for Vivienne, especially as we don't properly know the woman at all and only know bare scraps of her personality. So now that I've said that I'm bailing out of this conversation.  

Modifié par Dirgegun, 12 août 2013 - 04:05 .

[R2s Muse]

MissRedZelda wrote...

If I recall, there were plenty of Templar/Mage secret relationships going on in the background of the game. So, it wouldn't be much of stretch to include it if they so chose to.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not asking them to make Cullen a complete obsessed guy over her even after ten years. But I also don't want him to treat his infatuation for her like it was a mistake - a "whoopsie" and such. Make him talk about her if he's asked. If she was the Warden, make him admire her past deeds in saving Fereldan. And then maybe mention that he . . . knew he, he'd suppose. Inquissie would probably get the idea.

I think I'd hope they leave it open enough that folks who headcanon'd a relationship can imagine one and folks who didn't don't feel like he's carping on past girlfriend. I'm sure however they do it will walk that fine line. I thought they did a good job of it with the DA2 mention, for example.

[neonmoth]

R2s Muse wrote...
If Seb's in the game... I won't care what conclusions he came to in DA2. I'll just happy dance!

Gosh... I hope they don't have him show up only if you had the DLCs...?

R2 you are precious It's because of you that I actually started to take him with me on my last pt...
It would be great if he was somehow involved in the royal intrigue, even if we encouraged him to stick to priesthood (which I am not:whistle:).