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#57226
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This is also interesting.
"Not the same character as Vivienne, despite also having darker-coloured skin."

So Vivienne is confirmed as having darker skin. It's not just lighting/makeup/whatever. Cool.

edit for ToP: now we can post this!

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R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

WHOOOOOOOOOO

As of about an hour ago,DG-given proof that Vivienne and Scribe Girl are NOT the same person.


Vivienne. Scribe Girl. DEFINITIVELY. NOT. THE. SAME.

Finally!  Heh, he also makes another very special point of warning against taking those leaked characters as gospel. Hmm... wish they'd stop including scribe girl everywhere then...


Hmm..

DG: "I'm not going to say whether she's a companion, or if she's even still in DAI. Not every character mentioned in that survey was a companion, and some of them either no longer exist or have changed signficantly. Hence why I have said before not to hold it up as gospel-- you may be very disappointed."

So she was in the game at some point, and may or may not have ever been intended to be a companion instead of just a regular character. She also may have morphed into a new character (or maybe even Vivienne).

Interesting, though! You're right -- she's still in a significant amount of artwork, but that could be outdated too. Huh.

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R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

WHOOOOOOOOOO

As of about an hour ago,DG-given proof that Vivienne and Scribe Girl are NOT the same person.


Vivienne. Scribe Girl. DEFINITIVELY. NOT. THE. SAME.

Finally!  Heh, he also makes another very special point of warning against taking those leaked characters as gospel. Hmm... wish they'd stop including scribe girl everywhere then...


Yeah, she even popped up twice in those videos.

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brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

WHOOOOOOOOOO

As of about an hour ago,DG-given proof that Vivienne and Scribe Girl are NOT the same person.


Vivienne. Scribe Girl. DEFINITIVELY. NOT. THE. SAME.

Finally!  Heh, he also makes another very special point of warning against taking those leaked characters as gospel. Hmm... wish they'd stop including scribe girl everywhere then...


Hmm..

DG: "I'm not going to say whether she's a companion, or if she's even still in DAI. Not every character mentioned in that survey was a companion, and some of them either no longer exist or have changed signficantly. Hence why I have said before not to hold it up as gospel-- you may be very disappointed."

So she was in the game at some point, and may or may not have ever been intended to be a companion instead of just a regular character. She also may have morphed into a new character (or maybe even Vivienne).

Interesting, though! You're right -- she's still in a significant amount of artwork, but that could be outdated too. Huh.

I still think she's intended as a separate char from Vivienne based on them both being in that poster on the wall as separate characters. Even if it's now out of date, Vivienne seems to really have that pointy hat look going on.

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I want a pointy hat.

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LolaLei wrote...

I want a pointy hat.


Me too

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R2s Muse wrote...

I still think she's intended as a separate char from Vivienne based on them both being in that poster on the wall as separate characters. Even if it's now out of date, Vivienne seems to really have that pointy hat look going on.

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I feel more comfortable taking the "wait and see" approach, honestly. The girl in the middle doesn't look significantly enough like Vivienne to convince me, but it's an old and grainy piece of artwork, so who knows?

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brushyourteeth wrote...

Hmm..

DG: "I'm not going to say whether she's a companion, or if she's even still in DAI. Not every character mentioned in that survey was a companion, and some of them either no longer exist or have changed signficantly. Hence why I have said before not to hold it up as gospel-- you may be very disappointed."


Very, very concerning. 

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motomotogirl wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Hmm..

DG: "I'm not going to say whether she's a companion, or if she's even still in DAI. Not every character mentioned in that survey was a companion, and some of them either no longer exist or have changed signficantly. Hence why I have said before not to hold it up as gospel-- you may be very disappointed."


Very, very concerning. 


Well, we know Cullen still exists so that's something! :lol:

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...nd-present.aspx


Huh... so did that article just suggest that the dark ritual happened no matter what????

"Male players are given the option of conceiving a child with Morrigan
themselves, but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world
may not have the same resolve. After the final battle, Morrigan leaves
and the child’s fate is unknown. "

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 août 2013 - 05:30 .


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Thanks, Wiedzmin!!

So... sort-of confirmed Dark Ritual no matter what.

With so many questions lingering, including Morrigan’s whereabouts since performing the dark ritual to conceive a child, Inquisition is her chance to return to glory...

Male players are given the option of conceiving a child with Morrigan themselves, but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve...

Morrigan’s departure to continue her mission was something Gaider felt strongly about. “From my perspective, making a strong female character is about having her have her own agenda,” Gaider says.
“The most important thing for me when I wrote [Origins] was that at the end even if Morrigan loved the player, she had this thing that she believed in, that was so important that she would do it regardless of the player. And I think that a lot of players expected that she would bend herself to do whatever they wanted because they’ve done the romance, gotten her approval up, and of course she would just sort of follow their destiny. But Morrigan has her own destiny.” 



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Holy Cow!!!

MLaidlaw: "The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it."

Huh.

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brushyourteeth wrote...

Thanks, Wiedzmin!!

So... sort-of confirmed Dark Ritual no matter what.

With so many questions lingering, including Morrigan’s whereabouts since performing the dark ritual to conceive a child, Inquisition is her chance to return to glory...

Male players are given the option of conceiving a child with Morrigan themselves, but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve...

Morrigan’s departure to continue her mission was something Gaider felt strongly about. “From my perspective, making a strong female character is about having her have her own agenda,” Gaider says.
“The most important thing for me when I wrote [Origins] was that at the end even if Morrigan loved the player, she had this thing that she believed in, that was so important that she would do it regardless of the player. And I think that a lot of players expected that she would bend herself to do whatever they wanted because they’ve done the romance, gotten her approval up, and of course she would just sort of follow their destiny. But Morrigan has her own destiny.” 

So... yeeeaaah, that's how I read it as well. Huh.

So, so much for all the "only if you chose the Dark Ritual" stuff we've been told... :huh:

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Hmm..

“The kernel of Inquisition’s story we knew from about midway through Dragon Age: Origins. The story has been in the making for a very long time,” Laidlaw says. “The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it.”

Not at all what we've been hearing so far. What on earth happened midway through Origins? Our potential attack on Flemeth? The discovery of her grimoire?


EDIT: Sorry, R2's Muse! I should have known you'd already posted!!  Image IPB

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 12 août 2013 - 05:34 .


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R2s Muse wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...nd-present.aspx


Huh... so did that article just suggest that the dark ritual happened no matter what????

"Male players are given the option of conceiving a child with Morrigan
themselves, but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world
may not have the same resolve. After the final battle, Morrigan leaves
and the child’s fate is unknown. "


The thing is, there was only one blight in Ferelden 10+ years ago and if we kill the Archdemon without the dark ritual then our Warden or Alistair dies. So if she did find some other way to get herself knocked up, then maybe she managed to do so via finding some other old god to infuse into the baby?

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LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...nd-present.aspx


Huh... so did that article just suggest that the dark ritual happened no matter what????

"Male players are given the option of conceiving a child with Morrigan
themselves, but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world
may not have the same resolve. After the final battle, Morrigan leaves
and the child’s fate is unknown. "


The thing is, there was only one blight in Ferelden 10+ years ago and if we kill the Archdemon without the dark ritual then our Warden or Alistair dies. So if she did find some other way to get herself knocked up, then maybe she managed to do so via finding some other old god to infuse into the baby?


Maybe she kills the Warden or Alistair from behind the scenes? Or maybe they're not actually dead?

Weird.

This will really upset some fans, but I always felt like the DR was too big a deal to be made optional content.

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brushyourteeth wrote...

Hmm..

“The kernel of Inquisition’s story we knew from about midway through Dragon Age: Origins. The story has been in the making for a very long time,” Laidlaw says. “The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it.”

Not at all what we've been hearing so far. What on earth happened midway through Origins? Our potential attack on Flemeth? The discovery of her grimoire?


EDIT: Sorry, R2's Muse! I should have known you'd already posted!!  Image IPB


I'm interpreting what he's saying as they, the devs, knew halfway through making Origins what the story of DA:I would be. Not that a certain event occurred halfway through the game...  But I could be wrong. That is something they've said before, though.

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#57244
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brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...nd-present.aspx


Huh... so did that article just suggest that the dark ritual happened no matter what????

"Male players are given the option of conceiving a child with Morrigan
themselves, but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world
may not have the same resolve. After the final battle, Morrigan leaves
and the child’s fate is unknown. "


The thing is, there was only one blight in Ferelden 10+ years ago and if we kill the Archdemon without the dark ritual then our Warden or Alistair dies. So if she did find some other way to get herself knocked up, then maybe she managed to do so via finding some other old god to infuse into the baby?


Maybe she kills the Warden or Alistair from behind the scenes? Or maybe they're not actually dead?

Weird.

This will really upset some fans, but I always felt like the DR was too big a deal to be made optional content.

Hmm... good points. I have no idea. This is a real gamer changer, if we're interpreting it correctly. brush, you should ask about this on the main threads and see if one of the devs will clarify.

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brushyourteeth wrote...

Hmm..

“The kernel of Inquisition’s story we knew from about midway through Dragon Age: Origins. The story has been in the making for a very long time,” Laidlaw says. “The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it.”

Not at all what we've been hearing so far. What on earth happened midway through Origins? Our potential attack on Flemeth? The discovery of her grimoire?


I read that as midway through Origin's development some kernels of the idea started, not necessarily something that happens midway in the plot itself?

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R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Hmm..

“The kernel of Inquisition’s story we knew from about midway through Dragon Age: Origins. The story has been in the making for a very long time,” Laidlaw says. “The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it.”

Not at all what we've been hearing so far. What on earth happened midway through Origins? Our potential attack on Flemeth? The discovery of her grimoire?


EDIT: Sorry, R2's Muse! I should have known you'd already posted!!  Image IPB


I'm interpreting what he's saying as they, the devs, knew halfway through making Origins what the story of DA:I would be. Not that a certain event occurred halfway through the game...  But I could be wrong. That is something they've said before, though.


That's how I understand it too. They already mentioned that originally DAI was supposed to be DA2, but that they needed something to bridge the gap, so I guess that explains it.

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R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...nd-present.aspx


Huh... so did that article just suggest that the dark ritual happened no matter what????

"Male players are given the option of conceiving a child with Morrigan
themselves, but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world
may not have the same resolve. After the final battle, Morrigan leaves
and the child’s fate is unknown. "


The thing is, there was only one blight in Ferelden 10+ years ago and if we kill the Archdemon without the dark ritual then our Warden or Alistair dies. So if she did find some other way to get herself knocked up, then maybe she managed to do so via finding some other old god to infuse into the baby?


Maybe she kills the Warden or Alistair from behind the scenes? Or maybe they're not actually dead?

Weird.

This will really upset some fans, but I always felt like the DR was too big a deal to be made optional content.

Hmm... good points. I have no idea. This is a real gamer changer, if we're interpreting it correctly. brush, you should ask about this on the main threads and see if one of the devs will clarify.


DG will probably clarify that one in the DAI forum. We should keep our eyes peeled.

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You know... the only way the DR happens no matter what is to mess with the Wardens who did the US. Unless... there's some handwaving thing that the old god soul jumped to the Warden, killed him/her, and then jumped to Morrigan and her sired-by-some-other GW baby...?

Hmmm....

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LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...nd-present.aspx


Huh... so did that article just suggest that the dark ritual happened no matter what????

"Male players are given the option of conceiving a child with Morrigan
themselves, but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world
may not have the same resolve. After the final battle, Morrigan leaves
and the child’s fate is unknown. "


The thing is, there was only one blight in Ferelden 10+ years ago and if we kill the Archdemon without the dark ritual then our Warden or Alistair dies. So if she did find some other way to get herself knocked up, then maybe she managed to do so via finding some other old god to infuse into the baby?


Maybe she kills the Warden or Alistair from behind the scenes? Or maybe they're not actually dead?

Weird.

This will really upset some fans, but I always felt like the DR was too big a deal to be made optional content.

Hmm... good points. I have no idea. This is a real gamer changer, if we're interpreting it correctly. brush, you should ask about this on the main threads and see if one of the devs will clarify.


DG will probably clarify that one in the DAI forum. We should keep our eyes peeled.


Yeah this is stuff that the BSN will react to one way or another and he will kinda be "forced" to come. I'm quite interested in what he will say

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"Morrigan has more depth than a single scheme".

So I do think the OGB will get mentioned and Morrigan might react different if she has a child, but I don't think it will be one of the concerns of the player.