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[Chiantirose1982]

Here is some Gamescom info for anyone interested. I guess Jessica Merizan will be there too :happy:

blog.bioware.com/2013/08/12/bioware-at-gamescom-2013/

[Adela]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...


Here is some Gamescom info for anyone interested. I guess Jessica Merizan will be there too :happy:

blog.bioware.com/2013/08/12/bioware-at-gamescom-2013/

Sweet ty for the info

[Chiantirose1982]

ag99 wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...


Here is some Gamescom info for anyone interested. I guess Jessica Merizan will be there too :happy:

blog.bioware.com/2013/08/12/bioware-at-gamescom-2013/

Sweet ty for the info

You're welcome

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Can someone tell me? What happens in witchhunt if you did the ultimate sacrifice? Is Morrigan Still looking for the eluvian?

Yeah, she's looking for it regardless.

[LolaLei]

Oh gawd. Read through this thread and have a look at DG's comments:

http://social.biowar...ndex/17130247/4

... Fully expecting fan outrage over this in DAI.

Modifié par LolaLei, 12 août 2013 - 08:39 .

[Adela]

eh I dont really care what happens to the warden or hawke as far as im concerned   their story is done, and i look more forward to my inquisitor then looking back to the past

Modifié par ag99, 12 août 2013 - 08:48 .

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

Oh gawd. Read through this thread and have a look at DG's comments:

http://social.biowar...ndex/17130247/4

... Fully expecting fan outrage over this in DAI.

I love him so much. "Too bad, sorry." LOL
Seriously, they can't win with everyone regardless so why not just tell people straight up? I have no problem with this at all. It's like talking to Veruca Salt the way some of these people stomp their feet and demand satisfaction.

[LolaLei]

I'm protective of my protagonists and their LI's, although I'm not worried about the fact that they've disappeared, lol.

[berelinde]

ag99 wrote...

eh I dont really care what happens to the warden or hawke as far as im concerned   their story is done, and i look more forward to my inquisitor then looking back to the past

Yup. If either shows up in DAI and they're doing something that contradicts my headcanon, I'll just pretend it's an AU. No biggie.

[LolaLei]

AU?

[berelinde]

Alternate Universe. In other words, my headcanon becomes "In some other universe, this is what happened instead." I can live with that.

[berelinde]

Also, I just know I'm going to be ducking rotten tomatoes over this one, but I think I'm reaching density overload on Morrigan. I liked the character in DAO, and when I'm playing the game, I'm still amused by her dialogue, but I'm starting to get to a saturation point. I get it. She's got some great destiny in the DA universe that trumps every other character in the universe with the possible exception of Leliana, but I'm kinda getting sick of hearing about her. I'm afraid that it's going to turn the affection I have for her into active dislike, and that isn't something I want to happen, since she's the only female character in DAO that I actually liked.

Also, why is it that none of the men are ever shapers of destiny? We've got Leliana, Morrigan, and Flemeth for the women and... all the guys get their stories wrapped up at the end of the game and the only time we ever see them again is in semi-lame cameos. I appreciate that they aren't treating women as window dressing, but it would be kind of nice to have one of the guys we've grown to love turn out to be meaningful in a more long-range capacity. Maybe they''re trying to do that with Cullen? Dunno.

[Adela]

@berelinde Well if u want to take into consideration the novels such as The stolen throne Maric has a "heroic" arc and he shapes the destiny of Ferelden and continues through the calling

Modifié par ag99, 12 août 2013 - 09:53 .

[berelinde]

ag99 wrote...

@berelinde Well if u want to take into consideration the novels such as The stolen throne Maric has a "heroic" arc and continues through the calling

We never interact with Maric. If we fall in love with him, we do it in the third person, and it isn't quite the same.

There are male characters whose story arcs suggest some kind of importance, like Varric and Sandal, but they don't receive 1% of the attention that the ladies get. Alistair shows up in the comics, and if he doesn't die in DAO, there's a chance he could be involved in future plots, but the truth is that he did not survive in a lot of peoples' games, so giving him some kind of canon presence is problematic. Zevran, Fenris, and Anders are all killable, too, and their stories are even less developed.

[meanieweenie]

berelinde wrote...

Also, I just know I'm going to be ducking rotten tomatoes over this one, but I think I'm reaching density overload on Morrigan. I liked the character in DAO, and when I'm playing the game, I'm still amused by her dialogue, but I'm starting to get to a saturation point. I get it. She's got some great destiny in the DA universe that trumps every other character in the universe with the possible exception of Leliana, but I'm kinda getting sick of hearing about her. I'm afraid that it's going to turn the affection I have for her into active dislike, and that isn't something I want to happen, since she's the only female character in DAO that I actually liked.

Also, why is it that none of the men are ever shapers of destiny? We've got Leliana, Morrigan, and Flemeth for the women and... all the guys get their stories wrapped up at the end of the game and the only time we ever see them again is in semi-lame cameos. I appreciate that they aren't treating women as window dressing, but it would be kind of nice to have one of the guys we've grown to love turn out to be meaningful in a more long-range capacity. Maybe they''re trying to do that with Cullen? Dunno.

The ultimate DA battle will be between Morrigan and Leliana in a pit of butterscotch pudding. It will be to the death and Flemeth will be the ref.

Not sure what to say about the women being destiny shapers. Maybe BW figures a good chunk of the gamers are going to be males playing as male PC's so ... Or maybe we'll find out that the real bad guy is the Maker and all these women are incarnations of Andraste... *shrugs* Hell if I know. That's all I got.

[Adela]

That is true I guess they wanted to do something diff with DA since most of the games have only male heroes or destiny changers, I guess BW decided to go the opposed direction and make it more "unique"?

Modifié par ag99, 12 août 2013 - 09:59 .

[R2s Muse]

Still processing DG's comment. Does that mean we should expect to see our character acting like independent characters in the next game, or just that we'll hear what happened with their disappearances?

[HurricaneGinger]

I'm apparently in a morbid mood today, because I just imagined going into DAI, FINALLY seeing the LI you loved so much...but they are a wreck from losing Hawke or the Warden. Or maybe strung up as a traitor. Or perhaps you witness an execution.

The Warden wasn't meant to live, but thanks to the Dark Ritual it was a possibility. Then there's Hawke at the center of the event that struck an inferno. They are legends, people with major influence whom could hold sway in what is to come...and yet the Warden and Hawke are NO WHERE to be found.

Would their LI disappear with them, or would they be left all alone?

...Damn, DAI is going to make me cry.

[berelinde]

meanieweenie wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Also, I just know I'm going to be ducking rotten tomatoes over this one, but I think I'm reaching density overload on Morrigan. I liked the character in DAO, and when I'm playing the game, I'm still amused by her dialogue, but I'm starting to get to a saturation point. I get it. She's got some great destiny in the DA universe that trumps every other character in the universe with the possible exception of Leliana, but I'm kinda getting sick of hearing about her. I'm afraid that it's going to turn the affection I have for her into active dislike, and that isn't something I want to happen, since she's the only female character in DAO that I actually liked.

Also, why is it that none of the men are ever shapers of destiny? We've got Leliana, Morrigan, and Flemeth for the women and... all the guys get their stories wrapped up at the end of the game and the only time we ever see them again is in semi-lame cameos. I appreciate that they aren't treating women as window dressing, but it would be kind of nice to have one of the guys we've grown to love turn out to be meaningful in a more long-range capacity. Maybe they''re trying to do that with Cullen? Dunno.

The ultimate DA battle will be between Morrigan and Leliana in a pit of butterscotch pudding. It will be to the death and Flemeth will be the ref.

Not sure what to say about the women being destiny shapers. Maybe BW figures a good chunk of the gamers are going to be males playing as male PC's so ... Or maybe we'll find out that the real bad guy is the Maker and all these women are incarnations of Andraste... *shrugs* Hell if I know. That's all I got.

And @ag99, as well. I'm sure that part of the emphasis places on the (romanceable) females is that male destiny shapers are featured abundantly in other universes. Maybe I should be flattered to see my gender represented so amply in Dragon Age. But I can't help feeling as if the characters I care about - the lovers of past games, more specifically - are treated dismissively.

Don't mind me. I'm just whining.

[Adela]

berelinde wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Also, I just know I'm going to be ducking rotten tomatoes over this one, but I think I'm reaching density overload on Morrigan. I liked the character in DAO, and when I'm playing the game, I'm still amused by her dialogue, but I'm starting to get to a saturation point. I get it. She's got some great destiny in the DA universe that trumps every other character in the universe with the possible exception of Leliana, but I'm kinda getting sick of hearing about her. I'm afraid that it's going to turn the affection I have for her into active dislike, and that isn't something I want to happen, since she's the only female character in DAO that I actually liked.

Also, why is it that none of the men are ever shapers of destiny? We've got Leliana, Morrigan, and Flemeth for the women and... all the guys get their stories wrapped up at the end of the game and the only time we ever see them again is in semi-lame cameos. I appreciate that they aren't treating women as window dressing, but it would be kind of nice to have one of the guys we've grown to love turn out to be meaningful in a more long-range capacity. Maybe they''re trying to do that with Cullen? Dunno.

The ultimate DA battle will be between Morrigan and Leliana in a pit of butterscotch pudding. It will be to the death and Flemeth will be the ref.

Not sure what to say about the women being destiny shapers. Maybe BW figures a good chunk of the gamers are going to be males playing as male PC's so ... Or maybe we'll find out that the real bad guy is the Maker and all these women are incarnations of Andraste... *shrugs* Hell if I know. That's all I got.

And @ag99, as well. I'm sure that part of the emphasis places on the (romanceable) females is that male destiny shapers are featured abundantly in other universes. Maybe I should be flattered to see my gender represented so amply in Dragon Age. But I can't help feeling as if the characters I care about - the lovers of past games, more specifically - are treated dismissively.

Don't mind me. I'm just whining.

Now that I think about it I guess I kind of conciner Loghain a destiny shaper , because in the stolen throne he seemed more dedicated to save Fereldan then Maric did  and then in game he tryed to take over Ferelden after Cailen died but didnt really worked out that well for him obviously, when i 1st played DAO I hated his guts  but then when i read the book I actually liked him and I understood where he was coming from

[berelinde]

ag99 wrote...

Now that I think about it I guess I kind of conciner Loghain a destiny shaper , because in the stolen throne he seemed more dedicated to save Fereldan then Maric did  and then in game he tryed to take over Ferelden after Cailen died but didnt really worked out that well for him obviously, when i 1st played DAO I hated his guts  but then when i read the book I actually liked him and I understood where he was coming from

That's kinda my point. How many times does Loghain survive DAO? What are the odds that he has anything to do with the plot of future Dragon Age games? What are the odds that *any* of the males (specifically male LIs) of past games will be significant players in the events of future Dragon Age games?

My brain went off on this tangent when I started thinking about how burned out I was hearing about Morrigan and Leliana. Half the threads on DAI board is about them. I realized that the reason I'm so sick of hearing about them is that I was never really that invested in them to begin with. I didn't care about them the same way I cared about Alistair and Zevran, so seeing 1001 Morrigan threads is 1000 too many. Meanwhile, the characters I do care about... well, their stories officially ended with their epilogue slides, since you can''t interact with a comic.

I guess what I'm really looking for is the satisfaction of investing emotion in characters and finding out that they're a continuing part of the game world. Part of the reason for the fixation on the OGB (usually by male gamers playing male characters) is that odds are good, their Warden is the daddy. They want the legacy of their Warden to play a major role in future games. If female Wardens survive, the best they can hope for is a step-OGB by Alistair and a grim demise in the Deep Roads. No personal legacy.

Is Cullen a shaper of Destiny? Can we care about a character and have him go on to a career that enables us to enjoy the kind of thrill Leliana worshipers will feel when they find out that they banged the next incarnation of Andraste? Dunno. He's definitely got the potential, IMO, but he's getting a bit of a late start.

[R2s Muse]

I suppose on one hand, the "witchy woman" archetype is a little old. But I must say, I certainly don't feel like the male characters are marginalized in DA. I mean more Wardens are male than female, and that's quite the shaping of destiny. Likewise with Hawke. And, I don't feel like Leliana's role is that big, shaping Thedas either. I mean, we've still only seen her a couple of times after DA:O, and she's really just a henchman for the Divine. Morrigan is just a fan fave. :shrug: And was sort of designed to be, based on her centrality to the plot and her outfit. But it doesn't feel like a pro- or anti-woman conspiracy to me. Just one prominent character that folks tend to love or hate.

[Adela]

berelinde wrote...


Is Cullen a shaper of Destiny? Can we care about a character and have him go on to a career that enables us to enjoy the kind of thrill Leliana worshipers will feel when they find out that they banged the next incarnation of Andraste? Dunno. He's definitely got the potential, IMO, but he's getting a bit of a late start.

I suppose that Cullen could be such a character since he has more experience with the mage templar thing and he could bring alot to the table , but unfortunetly I sort of doubt that the writers would give him that kind of "responsibility" since alot of ppl out there hate him and then they will just complain that "oh  you are trying to shove him down our throuths and make him look good just so we accept him" or something like that, but I suppose we can always hope for the better if its not in this DA maybe it will be in the other since i think that after  the whole DAI incidend there will be no loose ends with any perivous female character

Modifié par ag99, 12 août 2013 - 10:57 .

[berelinde]

ag99 wrote...

berelinde wrote...


Is Cullen a shaper of Destiny? Can we care about a character and have him go on to a career that enables us to enjoy the kind of thrill Leliana worshipers will feel when they find out that they banged the next incarnation of Andraste? Dunno. He's definitely got the potential, IMO, but he's getting a bit of a late start.

I suppose that Cullen could be such a character since he has more experience with the mage templar thing and he could bring alot to the table , but unfortunetly I sort of doubt that the writers would give him that kind of "responsibility" since alot of ppl out there hate him and then they will just complain that "oh  you are trying to shove him down our throuths and make him look good just so we accept him" or something like that, but I suppose we can always hope for the better if its not in this DA maybe it will be in the other since i think that after  the whole DAI incidend there will be no loose ends with any perivous female character

But it's different when they do it with Morrigan and Leliana?

@R2: Yes, the male Warden and male Hawke are important... but they're the protagonists, and often played by men. I'd just like to see a little more gender parity in the "OMG IMPORTANT NPC" category. I don't think that's too unreasonable. And hey! If they did decide to allow some male LI (Cullen?) to go on to greatness, would you really complain?

I guess they could do this with Sebastian, if they wanted. He always survives. He's no Alistiar, but he is (technically) a LI for lady Hawkes.

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

ag99 wrote...

berelinde wrote...


Is Cullen a shaper of Destiny? Can we care about a character and have him go on to a career that enables us to enjoy the kind of thrill Leliana worshipers will feel when they find out that they banged the next incarnation of Andraste? Dunno. He's definitely got the potential, IMO, but he's getting a bit of a late start.

I suppose that Cullen could be such a character since he has more experience with the mage templar thing and he could bring alot to the table , but unfortunetly I sort of doubt that the writers would give him that kind of "responsibility" since alot of ppl out there hate him and then they will just complain that "oh  you are trying to shove him down our throuths and make him look good just so we accept him" or something like that, but I suppose we can always hope for the better if its not in this DA maybe it will be in the other since i think that after  the whole DAI incidend there will be no loose ends with any perivous female character

But it's different when they do it with Morrigan and Leliana?

@R2: Yes, the male Warden and male Hawke are important... but they're the protagonists, and often played by men. I'd just like to see a little more gender parity in the "OMG IMPORTANT NPC" category. I don't think that's too unreasonable. And hey! If they did decide to allow some male LI (Cullen?) to go on to greatness, would you really complain?

I guess they could do this with Sebastian, if they wanted. He always survives. He's no Alistiar, but he is (technically) a LI for lady Hawkes.

I guess I'm confused by the difference between "OMG IMPORTANT NPC" and fave LIs. Alistair is a pretty big character. Maric was in his time. The Arishok. Varric got a comic and travels with Cass in the next game. I dunno. Not seeing a lack of parity.