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[R2s Muse]

So here's what I can make out.

[Adela]

motomotogirl wrote...

berelinde wrote...

ag99 wrote...

would you guys mind if Cullen was a lil bit chunky?

I can't speak for anybody else, but I would not mind in the slightest! At least in DA2, he's a sword-and-board guy, a tank. That fighting style requires a lot of core strength, i.e. thick trunk and strong legs, and it requires a lot of stamina, but not quite as much raw hitting power, so he wouldn't need to have arms like a god. It would make perfect sense for me if the bulk of his mass (or the mass of his bulk) was in his torso. And I like stocky men. And slender men. OK, I'm easy to please.

Agree  I have a soft spot for fluffy guys. I would actually love if Cullen gained a little weight. Although the pic you posted ag99 looks more "normal" sized than chunky 

Well the only reason I thought he was  chunky  was because I thought his butt was a bit too big, and maybe the legs too?... so you guys think I should  make his bust a bit wider or leave it like that?

[Scroll]

R2s Muse wrote...

Mark Darrah: Really the interesting opportunity here is... Because of the core tenet of the story is of the Inquisition -- this is something that... while it is created in opposition to the church, it's created from a moment that is very driven by something the church is related to. So playing as a dwarf or playing as an elf is going to actually put you in an interesting situation where you're actually less trusted, less able to build that trust. In a lot of cases, people are just going to treat you as the Inquisitor and it won't make a huge difference. But in specific cases, it's going to make a huge impact.

So I just needed to try to unpack this very awkward sentence about how the Inquisition is formed. LOL

OK, for starters, we know that elves and dwarves are not Andrastian, by and large, and so not typically part of, or even treated nicely by, the Chantry. Right? So, if the Inquisition is in opposition to the Chantry, I could imagine that non-human Inquisitor would be in even greater opposition for this reason. Simple, I suppose.

Now, how does the Inquisition come into opposition with the Chantry? It seems that whatever event causes the Inquisition to be formed, it is "related to the Chantry." Adding in what MLaw said about our Inquisitor being the sole survivor of some "event" and how it's unclear if the Inquisitor even had a role in causing it...? All this suggests to me that the "event," presumably the Veil Rip, also has something to the with the Chantry... like perhaps it is some peace gathering at the Grand Cathedral and the Divine dies in some fiery doom. Commence finger pointing, chaos, the Chantry probably insisting it has sole authority to investigate what happens, lots of hurt feelings, and I could see our Inquisitor being set up quite in opposition to the Chantry. Then, add in race, an elf or dwarf Inquisitor would be even more untrusted.

Anyhoo, just some speculation as I try to parse Mark Darrah's overly cautious statements. Other thoughts?

Don't the city elfs and some surface Dwarfs believe in the Maker and Andraste? In the city elf origin they had a chantry sister there to perform the wedding. So is the new origins dalish elf?

(I think Dwarfs mostly still keep their faith but I am not sure (someone remember?).)

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Modifié par Scr0ll, 15 août 2013 - 04:10 .

[brushyourteeth]

R2s Muse wrote...

Mark Darrah: Really the interesting opportunity here is... Because of the core tenet of the story is of the Inquisition -- this is something that... while it is created in opposition to the church, it's created from a moment that is very driven by something the church is related to. So playing as a dwarf or playing as an elf is going to actually put you in an interesting situation where you're actually less trusted, less able to build that trust. In a lot of cases, people are just going to treat you as the Inquisitor and it won't make a huge difference. But in specific cases, it's going to make a huge impact.

So I just needed to try to unpack this very awkward sentence about how the Inquisition is formed. LOL

OK, for starters, we know that elves and dwarves are not Andrastian, by and large, and so not typically part of, or even treated nicely by, the Chantry. Right? So, if the Inquisition is in opposition to the Chantry, I could imagine that non-human Inquisitor would be in even greater opposition for this reason. Simple, I suppose.

Now, how does the Inquisition come into opposition with the Chantry? It seems that whatever event causes the Inquisition to be formed, it is "related to the Chantry." Adding in what MLaw said about our Inquisitor being the sole survivor of some "event" and how it's unclear if the Inquisitor even had a role in causing it...? All this suggests to me that the "event," presumably the Veil Rip, also has something to the with the Chantry... like perhaps it is some peace gathering at the Grand Cathedral and the Divine dies in some fiery doom. Commence finger pointing, chaos, the Chantry probably insisting it has sole authority to investigate what happens, lots of hurt feelings, and I could see our Inquisitor being set up quite in opposition to the Chantry. Then, add in race, an elf or dwarf Inquisitor would be even more untrusted.

Anyhoo, just some speculation as I try to parse Mark Darrah's overly cautious statements. Other thoughts?

See, this is all very confusing to me. Somehow, it seems like we are either a political threat to the Chantry, or that we have good reason to blame them for the rip in the Veil. But as far as the Chantry itself having a direct connection to the actual event? I don't know... what causes Veil tears? Lots of human suffering, magic, especially blood magic... so this tear seems like it was

1.) A very well calculated and coordinated effort to make it happen intentionally
2.) Done accidentally in a place where the Veil was already weak
3.) Done unexpectedly in a time of more intense and high-victim suffering than we have ever seen before in the timeline

So based on some of M-Law and M-Dah's comments about us trying to find these "agents of chaos," I can only guess that there's at least a little of column 1.), whether it's clear to most people or not.

I think what you're saying about the Chantry and elves/dwarves is really, really interesting. It's true (and weird) that they've never seemed that super interested in including the other races, even though they're supposed to "sing the Chant to every corner" or whatever. I'd like to know where that prejudice comes from, and whether they have reason to dislike the other races or if they're just "meh" because "the Maker chose a human."

[brushyourteeth]

... and THEN, how does our Inquisitor (especially a non-mage) end up with any blame for what happened?

This game is going to be crazy.

[R2s Muse]

Scr0ll wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Mark Darrah: Really the interesting opportunity here is... Because of the core tenet of the story is of the Inquisition -- this is something that... while it is created in opposition to the church, it's created from a moment that is very driven by something the church is related to. So playing as a dwarf or playing as an elf is going to actually put you in an interesting situation where you're actually less trusted, less able to build that trust. In a lot of cases, people are just going to treat you as the Inquisitor and it won't make a huge difference. But in specific cases, it's going to make a huge impact.

So I just needed to try to unpack this very awkward sentence about how the Inquisition is formed. LOL

OK, for starters, we know that elves and dwarves are not Andrastian, by and large, and so not typically part of, or even treated nicely by, the Chantry. Right? So, if the Inquisition is in opposition to the Chantry, I could imagine that non-human Inquisitor would be in even greater opposition for this reason. Simple, I suppose.

Now, how does the Inquisition come into opposition with the Chantry? It seems that whatever event causes the Inquisition to be formed, it is "related to the Chantry." Adding in what MLaw said about our Inquisitor being the sole survivor of some "event" and how it's unclear if the Inquisitor even had a role in causing it...? All this suggests to me that the "event," presumably the Veil Rip, also has something to the with the Chantry... like perhaps it is some peace gathering at the Grand Cathedral and the Divine dies in some fiery doom. Commence finger pointing, chaos, the Chantry probably insisting it has sole authority to investigate what happens, lots of hurt feelings, and I could see our Inquisitor being set up quite in opposition to the Chantry. Then, add in race, an elf or dwarf Inquisitor would be even more untrusted.

Anyhoo, just some speculation as I try to parse Mark Darrah's overly cautious statements. Other thoughts?

Doesn't the city elfs and some surface Dwarfs believe in the Maker and Andraste? In the city elf origin they had a chantry sister there to perform it. So is the new origins dalish elf?

(I think Dwarfs mostly still keep their faith but I am not sure (someone remember?).)

Those are exceptions, though, not the "typical" situation. So of course there even elves who follow the Qun, but by and large, elves and dwarves aren't Andrastians. For example, Chantry Poster Boy Cullen in DA:O calls Oghren a heathen. And, getting special permission for the Chantry in Orzammar was a whole quest because it was an unusual thing to happen.

There was some discussion of this on the threads, once upon a time, when folks were talking about whether there were non-human templars. I can't remember where that might have been. Anyone else??

[littlenikki]

brushyourteeth wrote...

... and THEN, how does our Inquisitor (especially a non-mage) end up with any blame for what happened?

This game is going to be crazy.

The only reason I can think of would be that we are the only survivor from that event, therefore the only one left that saw what happened first-hand and also the reason why we are most qualified to lead the Inquisition as to what caused it. There would probably be rumours and questions floating around the populace as to why we alone survived, and speculation that maybe we did so because we are the ones that caused it.

Modifié par littlenikki, 15 août 2013 - 04:15 .

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Mark Darrah: Really the interesting opportunity here is... Because of the core tenet of the story is of the Inquisition -- this is something that... while it is created in opposition to the church, it's created from a moment that is very driven by something the church is related to. So playing as a dwarf or playing as an elf is going to actually put you in an interesting situation where you're actually less trusted, less able to build that trust. In a lot of cases, people are just going to treat you as the Inquisitor and it won't make a huge difference. But in specific cases, it's going to make a huge impact.

So I just needed to try to unpack this very awkward sentence about how the Inquisition is formed. LOL

OK, for starters, we know that elves and dwarves are not Andrastian, by and large, and so not typically part of, or even treated nicely by, the Chantry. Right? So, if the Inquisition is in opposition to the Chantry, I could imagine that non-human Inquisitor would be in even greater opposition for this reason. Simple, I suppose.

Now, how does the Inquisition come into opposition with the Chantry? It seems that whatever event causes the Inquisition to be formed, it is "related to the Chantry." Adding in what MLaw said about our Inquisitor being the sole survivor of some "event" and how it's unclear if the Inquisitor even had a role in causing it...? All this suggests to me that the "event," presumably the Veil Rip, also has something to the with the Chantry... like perhaps it is some peace gathering at the Grand Cathedral and the Divine dies in some fiery doom. Commence finger pointing, chaos, the Chantry probably insisting it has sole authority to investigate what happens, lots of hurt feelings, and I could see our Inquisitor being set up quite in opposition to the Chantry. Then, add in race, an elf or dwarf Inquisitor would be even more untrusted.

Anyhoo, just some speculation as I try to parse Mark Darrah's overly cautious statements. Other thoughts?

See, this is all very confusing to me. Somehow, it seems like we are either a political threat to the Chantry, or that we have good reason to blame them for the rip in the Veil. But as far as the Chantry itself having a direct connection to the actual event? I don't know... what causes Veil tears? Lots of human suffering, magic, especially blood magic... so this tear seems like it was

1.) A very well calculated and coordinated effort to make it happen intentionally
2.) Done accidentally in a place where the Veil was already weak
3.) Done unexpectedly in a time of more intense and high-victim suffering than we have ever seen before in the timeline

So based on some of M-Law and M-Dah's comments about us trying to find these "agents of chaos," I can only guess that there's at least a little of column 1.), whether it's clear to most people or not.

I think what you're saying about the Chantry and elves/dwarves is really, really interesting. It's true (and weird) that they've never seemed that super interested in including the other races, even though they're supposed to "sing the Chant to every corner" or whatever. I'd like to know where that prejudice comes from, and whether they have reason to dislike the other races or if they're just "meh" because "the Maker chose a human."

It will be interesting to see how this prejudice plays out.

I have NO idea how the "moment" at the beginning of the game is going to to be "related to the Chantry." It's just so tantalizing the way he said that. I agree that we're bound to have a lot of #1, since it seems someone is engineering the chaos.

I keep imagining that our "opposition" to the Chantry is some political axe to grind, like we just disagree with what the Chantry wants to do, so we, the Inquisition, go do it our own way. But, MLaw also says that every group is preoccupied with their own crap. So... my idea about the Chantry gets annoyed because they think the investigation is their purview, not the Inquisition's, doesn't really hold up if the Chantry's just too busy to do anything.

Another idea I had was that maybe one theory for the cause of the Veil Rip somehow blames the Chantry for it.
That would probably be sufficient cause to be in opposition, if the Inquisition was investigating the Chantry itself.

[R2s Muse]

littlenikki wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

... and THEN, how does our Inquisitor (especially a non-mage) end up with any blame for what happened?

This game is going to be crazy.

The only reason I can think of would be that we are the only survivor from that event, therefore the only one left that saw what happened first-hand and also the reason why we are most qualified to lead the Inquisition as to what caused it. There would probably be rumours and questions floating around the populace as to why we alone survived, and speculation that maybe we did so because we are the ones that caused it.

Agree. The suspicious nature of being the sole survivor could be enough to cast our role into doubt.

[Chiantirose1982]

World of Thedas book explains the Chantry and other races issue somewhat on page 118.

Nonhumans:

"The Chantry began and has continued to be a predominantly human organization. Other races are seen to be further from the Maker. The elves have their false pantheon of idols. The dwarves worship themselves. The Qunari are worst of all, actively crushing worship of the Maker and desecrating Chantry values in the name of the Qun. For these reasons, other races are considered all the more worthy of saving. The Chantry believes the Maker wont return until even the Qunari sing his name"

[brushyourteeth]

So... if the Chantry decides to take some heat off of itself (and we all know they're not always the most rational group to work with), they could easily point the finger at the Inquisitor and without any rationale whatsoever besides "she survived" suddenly make us out to be the bad guy.

Or not.

This is so interesting!!

So now I'm wondering if there really is something special about our character, that he/she survived and no one else did (dibs on "Flemeth" being the answer, LOL!). Maybe we don't even know why we survived until the end.

The Chantry seems like it's only made nominal efforts toward reaching the elves. In DA:O there's only that one Chantry sister that comes into the Alienage and none of them seem to even know her by name. The sisters in DAII hang out in the Chantry all day and the only time they talk about the Alienage is to say how disgusting it is.

If you allow Brother Burkel to share the Chant in Orzammar, the epilogue card says that the dwarves convert in large numbers. I can see why, especially if he's reaching out to the Casteless. That could be an interesting dynamic in the next game, since even if Burkel never gets to stay in Orzammar, it shows that the dwarves are ripe for the picking if the Chantry wants them.

Really want to see how the Chantry is related to the big hole in the Fade, though.

[Danny Boy 7]

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Mark Darrah: Really the interesting opportunity here is... Because of the core tenet of the story is of the Inquisition -- this is something that... while it is created in opposition to the church, it's created from a moment that is very driven by something the church is related to. So playing as a dwarf or playing as an elf is going to actually put you in an interesting situation where you're actually less trusted, less able to build that trust. In a lot of cases, people are just going to treat you as the Inquisitor and it won't make a huge difference. But in specific cases, it's going to make a huge impact.

So I just needed to try to unpack this very awkward sentence about how the Inquisition is formed. LOL

OK, for starters, we know that elves and dwarves are not Andrastian, by and large, and so not typically part of, or even treated nicely by, the Chantry. Right? So, if the Inquisition is in opposition to the Chantry, I could imagine that non-human Inquisitor would be in even greater opposition for this reason. Simple, I suppose.

Now, how does the Inquisition come into opposition with the Chantry? It seems that whatever event causes the Inquisition to be formed, it is "related to the Chantry." Adding in what MLaw said about our Inquisitor being the sole survivor of some "event" and how it's unclear if the Inquisitor even had a role in causing it...? All this suggests to me that the "event," presumably the Veil Rip, also has something to the with the Chantry... like perhaps it is some peace gathering at the Grand Cathedral and the Divine dies in some fiery doom. Commence finger pointing, chaos, the Chantry probably insisting it has sole authority to investigate what happens, lots of hurt feelings, and I could see our Inquisitor being set up quite in opposition to the Chantry. Then, add in race, an elf or dwarf Inquisitor would be even more untrusted.

Anyhoo, just some speculation as I try to parse Mark Darrah's overly cautious statements. Other thoughts?

See, this is all very confusing to me. Somehow, it seems like we are either a political threat to the Chantry, or that we have good reason to blame them for the rip in the Veil. But as far as the Chantry itself having a direct connection to the actual event? I don't know... what causes Veil tears? Lots of human suffering, magic, especially blood magic... so this tear seems like it was

1.) A very well calculated and coordinated effort to make it happen intentionally
2.) Done accidentally in a place where the Veil was already weak
3.) Done unexpectedly in a time of more intense and high-victim suffering than we have ever seen before in the timeline

So based on some of M-Law and M-Dah's comments about us trying to find these "agents of chaos," I can only guess that there's at least a little of column 1.), whether it's clear to most people or not.

I think what you're saying about the Chantry and elves/dwarves is really, really interesting. It's true (and weird) that they've never seemed that super interested in including the other races, even though they're supposed to "sing the Chant to every corner" or whatever. I'd like to know where that prejudice comes from, and whether they have reason to dislike the other races or if they're just "meh" because "the Maker chose a human."

Yeah it's a big departure from you're not aligned with them to they're the opposition. I'm trying to understand whether our goals just don't mesh or if they are actively trying to hinder us.

But then why in sam hell (is that the right phrase lol?) Is Cassandra following us? Maybe someone in the Chantry causes the veil tear it kills everyone but us and the new leader of the Chantry paints it as "the wrath of the maker, repent the end is nigh, but we can save you" etc

I was a little shaky on that before,  but now I'm a bit excited. 

[brushyourteeth]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

World of Thedas book explains the Chantry and other races issue somewhat on page 118.

Nonhumans:

"The Chantry began and has continued to be a predominantly human organization. Other races are seen to be further from the Maker. The elves have their false pantheon of idols. The dwarves worship themselves. The Qunari are worst of all, actively crushing worship of the Maker and desecrating Chantry values in the name of the Qun. For these reasons, other races are considered all the more worthy of saving. The Chantry believes the Maker wont return until even the Qunari sing his name"

So okay, this is useful. Officially, everyone is welcome. Unofficially, we are a human club, no riffraff allowed.

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Mark Darrah: Really the interesting opportunity here is... Because of the core tenet of the story is of the Inquisition -- this is something that... while it is created in opposition to the church, it's created from a moment that is very driven by something the church is related to. So playing as a dwarf or playing as an elf is going to actually put you in an interesting situation where you're actually less trusted, less able to build that trust. In a lot of cases, people are just going to treat you as the Inquisitor and it won't make a huge difference. But in specific cases, it's going to make a huge impact.

So I just needed to try to unpack this very awkward sentence about how the Inquisition is formed. LOL

OK, for starters, we know that elves and dwarves are not Andrastian, by and large, and so not typically part of, or even treated nicely by, the Chantry. Right? So, if the Inquisition is in opposition to the Chantry, I could imagine that non-human Inquisitor would be in even greater opposition for this reason. Simple, I suppose.

Now, how does the Inquisition come into opposition with the Chantry? It seems that whatever event causes the Inquisition to be formed, it is "related to the Chantry." Adding in what MLaw said about our Inquisitor being the sole survivor of some "event" and how it's unclear if the Inquisitor even had a role in causing it...? All this suggests to me that the "event," presumably the Veil Rip, also has something to the with the Chantry... like perhaps it is some peace gathering at the Grand Cathedral and the Divine dies in some fiery doom. Commence finger pointing, chaos, the Chantry probably insisting it has sole authority to investigate what happens, lots of hurt feelings, and I could see our Inquisitor being set up quite in opposition to the Chantry. Then, add in race, an elf or dwarf Inquisitor would be even more untrusted.

Anyhoo, just some speculation as I try to parse Mark Darrah's overly cautious statements. Other thoughts?

See, this is all very confusing to me. Somehow, it seems like we are either a political threat to the Chantry, or that we have good reason to blame them for the rip in the Veil. But as far as the Chantry itself having a direct connection to the actual event? I don't know... what causes Veil tears? Lots of human suffering, magic, especially blood magic... so this tear seems like it was

1.) A very well calculated and coordinated effort to make it happen intentionally
2.) Done accidentally in a place where the Veil was already weak
3.) Done unexpectedly in a time of more intense and high-victim suffering than we have ever seen before in the timeline

So based on some of M-Law and M-Dah's comments about us trying to find these "agents of chaos," I can only guess that there's at least a little of column 1.), whether it's clear to most people or not.

I think what you're saying about the Chantry and elves/dwarves is really, really interesting. It's true (and weird) that they've never seemed that super interested in including the other races, even though they're supposed to "sing the Chant to every corner" or whatever. I'd like to know where that prejudice comes from, and whether they have reason to dislike the other races or if they're just "meh" because "the Maker chose a human."

It will be interesting to see how this prejudice plays out.

I have NO idea how the "moment" at the beginning of the game is going to to be "related to the Chantry." It's just so tantalizing the way he said that. I agree that we're bound to have a lot of #1, since it seems someone is engineering the chaos.

I keep imagining that our "opposition" to the Chantry is some political axe to grind, like we just disagree with what the Chantry wants to do, so we, the Inquisition, go do it our own way. But, MLaw also says that every group is preoccupied with their own crap. So... my idea about the Chantry gets annoyed because they think the investigation is their purview, not the Inquisition's, doesn't really hold up if the Chantry's just too busy to do anything.

Another idea I had was that maybe one theory for the cause of the Veil Rip somehow blames the Chantry for it.
That would probably be sufficient cause to be in opposition, if the Inquisition was investigating the Chantry itself.

In the article they mention that areas of the map are gated by level and I'm imagining by story as well so maybe we are investigating various groups in order to build up enough strength to penetrate Val Royeaux and learn the Chantry's secrets?

[brushyourteeth]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Yeah it's a big departure from you're not aligned with them to they're the opposition. I'm trying to understand whether our goals just don't mesh or if they are actively trying to hinder us.

But then why in sam hell (is that the right phrase lol?) Is Cassandra following us? Maybe someone in the Chantry causes the veil tear it kills everyone but us and the new leader of the Chantry paints it as "the wrath of the maker, repent the end is nigh, but we can save you" etc

I was a little shaky on that before,  but now I'm a bit excited. 

Exactly. On that thread I started I got a lot of people yelling "We just don't have to work with them, GOSH." but the devs are pretty specific and pretty repetitive about the phrases "opposed to" and "in opposition to".

I don't use phrases like that about people I'm friendly with but don't go to work for. That would include you guys, and I wouldn't qualify you as "opposition". 


I have to say that your idea is both intruiging and if the Chantry does that I will be SO mad at them.
I really think it's hard to speculate at this point since "the Chantry" could mean

- Justinia's bunch
- Lambert's bunch
- The Imperial Chantry

[berelinde]

ag99 wrote...

Well the only reason I thought he was  chunky  was because I thought his butt was a bit too big, and maybe the legs too?... so you guys think I should  make his bust a bit wider or leave it like that?

Whatever your sense of aesthetics demands. He looks great as he is, but you have some wiggle room before he starts looking impossibly buff.

As a point of reference, I do love the male torso model for DA2, but in my opinion, his pecs are a little too beefy to be realistic. I'm not complaining. It suits the whole heroic image thing. But few RL people who aren't professional body builders look like that.

Sorry for any repeated posts that may be coming from my end. There's some good discussion going on in this thread, but I'm without internet at home, so I'm still trying to catch up.

[R2s Muse]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

World of Thedas book explains the Chantry and other races issue somewhat on page 118.

Nonhumans:

"The Chantry began and has continued to be a predominantly human organization. Other races are seen to be further from the Maker. The elves have their false pantheon of idols. The dwarves worship themselves. The Qunari are worst of all, actively crushing worship of the Maker and desecrating Chantry values in the name of the Qun. For these reasons, other races are considered all the more worthy of saving. The Chantry believes the Maker wont return until even the Qunari sing his name"

Ah, there you go. Couldn't find the thread on non-human templars, but this is better.

For fun, here's also DG on the religions of Thedas and their (relative) creation beliefs: The Chantry, The Maker, The Old Gods: questions

Modifié par R2s Muse, 15 août 2013 - 04:48 .

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Yeah it's a big departure from you're not aligned with them to they're the opposition. I'm trying to understand whether our goals just don't mesh or if they are actively trying to hinder us.

But then why in sam hell (is that the right phrase lol?) Is Cassandra following us? Maybe someone in the Chantry causes the veil tear it kills everyone but us and the new leader of the Chantry paints it as "the wrath of the maker, repent the end is nigh, but we can save you" etc

I was a little shaky on that before,  but now I'm a bit excited. 

LOL I always thought it was "what in sam  hill", making me realize, I have no idea!

If the Divine is dead, I could see that being pretty good reason for Cassandra to go rogue. Cullen, too.

[Scroll]

brushyourteeth wrote...

So... if the Chantry decides to take some heat off of itself (and we all know they're not always the most rational group to work with), they could easily point the finger at the Inquisitor and without any rationale whatsoever besides "she survived" suddenly make us out to be the bad guy.

Or not.

This is so interesting!!

So now I'm wondering if there really is something special about our character, that he/she survived and no one else did (dibs on "Flemeth" being the answer, LOL!). Maybe we don't even know why we survived until the end.

The Chantry seems like it's only made nominal efforts toward reaching the elves. In DA:O there's only that one Chantry sister that comes into the Alienage and none of them seem to even know her by name. The sisters in DAII hang out in the Chantry all day and the only time they talk about the Alienage is to say how disgusting it is.

If you allow Brother Burkel to share the Chant in Orzammar, the epilogue card says that the dwarves convert in large numbers. I can see why, especially if he's reaching out to the Casteless. That could be an interesting dynamic in the next game, since even if Burkel never gets to stay in Orzammar, it shows that the dwarves are ripe for the picking if the Chantry wants them.

Really want to see how the Chantry is related to the big hole in the Fade, though.

Of course! Flemeth saved the Warden and saved Hawke. I will be SO DISAPPOINTED if she doesn't save the Inquisitor!

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Yeah it's a big departure from you're not aligned with them to they're the opposition. I'm trying to understand whether our goals just don't mesh or if they are actively trying to hinder us.

But then why in sam hell (is that the right phrase lol?) Is Cassandra following us? Maybe someone in the Chantry causes the veil tear it kills everyone but us and the new leader of the Chantry paints it as "the wrath of the maker, repent the end is nigh, but we can save you" etc

I was a little shaky on that before,  but now I'm a bit excited. 

Exactly. On that thread I started I got a lot of people yelling "We just don't have to work with them, GOSH." but the devs are pretty specific and pretty repetitive about the phrases "opposed to" and "in opposition to".

I don't use phrases like that about people I'm friendly with but don't go to work for. That would include you guys, and I wouldn't qualify you as "opposition". 


I have to say that your idea is both intruiging and if the Chantry does that I will be SO mad at them.
I really think it's hard to speculate at this point since "the Chantry" could mean

- Justinia's bunch
- Lambert's bunch
- The Imperial Chantry

True... if Justinia's no longer in charge, the Chantry could be a very different place. I must say, though, I highly doubt when they say Chantry they mean Imperial Chantry. That's a very different thing and would be a big mistake to make.

[Danny Boy 7]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Yeah it's a big departure from you're not aligned with them to they're the opposition. I'm trying to understand whether our goals just don't mesh or if they are actively trying to hinder us.

But then why in sam hell (is that the right phrase lol?) Is Cassandra following us? Maybe someone in the Chantry causes the veil tear it kills everyone but us and the new leader of the Chantry paints it as "the wrath of the maker, repent the end is nigh, but we can save you" etc

I was a little shaky on that before,  but now I'm a bit excited. 

Exactly. On that thread I started I got a lot of people yelling "We just don't have to work with them, GOSH." but the devs are pretty specific and pretty repetitive about the phrases "opposed to" and "in opposition to".

I don't use phrases like that about people I'm friendly with but don't go to work for. That would include you guys, and I wouldn't qualify you as "opposition". 


I have to say that your idea is both intruiging and if the Chantry does that I will be SO mad at them.
I really think it's hard to speculate at this point since "the Chantry" could mean

- Justinia's bunch
- Lambert's bunch
- The Imperial Chantry

Well I would have said the same as those posters er in my own less hostile way before we saw any of those videos since it is such a leap. Maybe it's telling that we're in opposition rather than straight up enemies?

Yeah it's a bit confusing. I'm curious if maybe an organization of powerful individuals have been working to cause the tear and the leader/source is at the heart of the Chantry? 

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Yeah it's a big departure from you're not aligned with them to they're the opposition. I'm trying to understand whether our goals just don't mesh or if they are actively trying to hinder us.

But then why in sam hell (is that the right phrase lol?) Is Cassandra following us? Maybe someone in the Chantry causes the veil tear it kills everyone but us and the new leader of the Chantry paints it as "the wrath of the maker, repent the end is nigh, but we can save you" etc

I was a little shaky on that before,  but now I'm a bit excited. 

Exactly. On that thread I started I got a lot of people yelling "We just don't have to work with them, GOSH." but the devs are pretty specific and pretty repetitive about the phrases "opposed to" and "in opposition to".

I don't use phrases like that about people I'm friendly with but don't go to work for. That would include you guys, and I wouldn't qualify you as "opposition". 


I have to say that your idea is both intruiging and if the Chantry does that I will be SO mad at them.
I really think it's hard to speculate at this point since "the Chantry" could mean

- Justinia's bunch
- Lambert's bunch
- The Imperial Chantry

Well I would have said the same as those posters er in my own less hostile way before we saw any of those videos since it is such a leap. Maybe it's telling that we're in opposition rather than straight up enemies?

Yeah it's a bit confusing. I'm curious if maybe an organization of powerful individuals have been working to cause the tear and the leader/source is at the heart of the Chantry? 

This is what I think. I think the word opposition was chosen very specifically, since they repeat it so many times (well a few!) . You can be opposed in your goals but not at war with each other.

[LolaLei]

Scr0ll wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

So... if the Chantry decides to take some heat off of itself (and we all know they're not always the most rational group to work with), they could easily point the finger at the Inquisitor and without any rationale whatsoever besides "she survived" suddenly make us out to be the bad guy.

Or not.

This is so interesting!!

So now I'm wondering if there really is something special about our character, that he/she survived and no one else did (dibs on "Flemeth" being the answer, LOL!). Maybe we don't even know why we survived until the end.

The Chantry seems like it's only made nominal efforts toward reaching the elves. In DA:O there's only that one Chantry sister that comes into the Alienage and none of them seem to even know her by name. The sisters in DAII hang out in the Chantry all day and the only time they talk about the Alienage is to say how disgusting it is.

If you allow Brother Burkel to share the Chant in Orzammar, the epilogue card says that the dwarves convert in large numbers. I can see why, especially if he's reaching out to the Casteless. That could be an interesting dynamic in the next game, since even if Burkel never gets to stay in Orzammar, it shows that the dwarves are ripe for the picking if the Chantry wants them.

Really want to see how the Chantry is related to the big hole in the Fade, though.

Of course! Flemeth saved the Warden and saved Hawke. I will be SO DISAPPOINTED if she doesn't save the Inquisitor!

I'd be like: "Why not Zoidberg?!" 

[Danny Boy 7]

Scr0ll wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

So... if the Chantry decides to take some heat off of itself (and we all know they're not always the most rational group to work with), they could easily point the finger at the Inquisitor and without any rationale whatsoever besides "she survived" suddenly make us out to be the bad guy.

Or not.

This is so interesting!!

So now I'm wondering if there really is something special about our character, that he/she survived and no one else did (dibs on "Flemeth" being the answer, LOL!). Maybe we don't even know why we survived until the end.

The Chantry seems like it's only made nominal efforts toward reaching the elves. In DA:O there's only that one Chantry sister that comes into the Alienage and none of them seem to even know her by name. The sisters in DAII hang out in the Chantry all day and the only time they talk about the Alienage is to say how disgusting it is.

If you allow Brother Burkel to share the Chant in Orzammar, the epilogue card says that the dwarves convert in large numbers. I can see why, especially if he's reaching out to the Casteless. That could be an interesting dynamic in the next game, since even if Burkel never gets to stay in Orzammar, it shows that the dwarves are ripe for the picking if the Chantry wants them.

Really want to see how the Chantry is related to the big hole in the Fade, though.

Of course! Flemeth saved the Warden and saved Hawke. I will be SO DISAPPOINTED if she doesn't save the Inquisitor!

Me to I don't know why,  but her saving you, Bodhan and Sandal traveling with you and having a dog are all things that would disappoint me if they were absent. 

[R2s Muse]

Random aside: http://en.wikipedia....ill_(euphemism)