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[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

This is all I can think of when I look at this one...

Fantastic! It figures that the one thing that creeps me out (zombies) is what I'm left with upon sign off. LOL That's very funny though. See you all on the morrow perhaps!

D'oh, sorry!

[LolaLei]

Hehehe!

[berelinde]

 No apologies. You made me do it.:innocent:

[LolaLei]

YAY!!!

[LolaLei]

Here's a question for you guys:-

What do you think Cullen's opinion of Orlesian noblity will be?

[LolaLei]

That Dragon Age Confession about Cullen has really kicked off, surprisingly there is a lot of people sticking up for him. I think we're on a roll ladies!

[MissRedZelda]

The Fenris thread was talking about Cullen. Some people don't like him because of his 'mages can't be treated like people" outburst. While I can understand why pro-mage people would take offence to that (i'm 100% pro-mage. Magic is one of the coolest things about DA. The battle makeover makes it even better IMO), I personally think his true opinions were obscured by his PTSD.

I think, even during the Kirkwall years, he is still a mage sympathiser. Evident by how, if you import a save in which you played as a female Amell mage, he mentions her and even stares off into the distance when talking about her. If he was a true mage hater, would be have indirectly acknowledge his feelings for her to openly?

LolaLei wrote...

Here's a question for you guys:-

What do you think Cullen's opinion of Orlesian noblity will be?

"F***, I hate cheese."

[berelinde]

Even if he were not scarred by his experiences at Kinloch Hold, people can change a lot in seven years. In that time, he would have had ample opportunity to see for himself that magic is not the only power with the potential to corrupt.

[R2s Muse]

MissRedZelda wrote...

The Fenris thread was talking about Cullen. Some people don't like him because of his 'mages can't be treated like people" outburst. While I can understand why pro-mage people would take offence to that (i'm 100% pro-mage. Magic is one of the coolest things about DA. The battle makeover makes it even better IMO), I personally think his true opinions were obscured by his PTSD.

I think, even during the Kirkwall years, he is still a mage sympathiser. Evident by how, if you import a save in which you played as a female Amell mage, he mentions her and even stares off into the distance when talking about her. If he was a true mage hater, would be have indirectly acknowledge his feelings for her to openly?

Indeed, I think there's quite a bit of evidence, like his concern about Feynriel, his regret about the Starkhaven mages allegedly being killed, plus of course his ongoing struggle with the ethics of Meredith's Act 3 shenanigans. On top of his inner struggle with whether he serves Meredith or the Order, and what the Order stands for.

*sigh* Um, no, I haven't been thinking about this too much this week... ahem...

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Here's a question for you guys:-

What do you think Cullen's opinion of Orlesian noblity will be?

I imagine Cullen as a sorta meat and potatoes type of Fereldan, so I see him disdaining the kind of overthetop pretensions of the Orlesian elite. Just imagining Cullen talking with Baron Arlange makes me giggle.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:44 .

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

The Fenris thread was talking about Cullen. Some people don't like him because of his 'mages can't be treated like people" outburst. While I can understand why pro-mage people would take offence to that (i'm 100% pro-mage. Magic is one of the coolest things about DA. The battle makeover makes it even better IMO), I personally think his true opinions were obscured by his PTSD.

See, I find Fenris fans disliking Cullen based on his personality really odd since their opinions of Mages are very similar, especially as both have been tortured in some way by them. The only real difference is that Cullen is in an authoritive position to actually do something about it. Fenris will take the Templars side if he isn't in enough friendship/rivalry with Hawke. Even more amusing is that both have fallen for a Mage at some point (Cullen in DA:O with the female Mage Warden and Fenris with Hawke if he/she is a Mage.)

Modifié par LolaLei, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:22 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Here's a question for you guys:-

What do you think Cullen's opinion of Orlesian noblity will be?

I imagine Cullen as a sorta meat and potatoes type of Fereldan, so I see him disdaining the kind of overthetop pretensions of the Orlesian elite. Just imagining Cullen talking with Baron Arlange makes me giggle.

I agreed, he seems to be a man with little need for material goods or extravagance (partly through choice and partly due to his Templar lifestyle) so I can imagine him being both facinated, confused and disgusted with the nobles in Orlais lol. I can just imagine him talking about his dislike of the way nobility waste food and resources whilst the poor are starving in... whatever the Orlesian equivilant of Dark Town is. In the same breath, I also have this feeling that he'll have no sympathy for the drug addled individuals, to which our protagonist or one of the other companions would need to remind him of his own Lyrium requirement, which wouldn't fully sink in until he starts getting withdrawal symptoms after not getting his "fix" lol.

Modifié par LolaLei, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:28 .

[berelinde]

 Lola, you keep feeding me fuel for one-shots. How am I supposed to get any modding work done if you keep this up?

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

 Lola, you keep feeding me fuel for one-shots. How am I supposed to get any modding work done if you keep this up?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

berelinde wrote...

 Lola, you keep feeding me fuel for one-shots. How am I supposed to get any modding work done if you keep this up?

yay yay yay!  erm, I mean, oh, that's terrible... :innocent:

[LolaLei]

What do you think Cullen's thoughts about having to take lyrium are? I mean, surely he's seen the results of the old Templars who have been on lyrium for so long that their brain have pretty much rotted away.

Now, we all know his reply would be something like "It's a sad fact, but unfortunately it's a sacrifice we have to make to keep Thedas safe, and the Mages safe from themselves blah blah" - (something he's probably repeated to himself in the mirror just to convince himself that it's the right thing to do lol.)

But, I wonder, when the day is over, his duties are done and he tops up on his lyrium fix, does he ever stop to wonder what will become of himself and how long he has left before his memories start to blur and confuse? He's definitely a thinking man so it must have crossed his mind more than once during his time in the Templar Order.

What do you suppose his true thoughts on his lyrium addiction are, the ones he doesn't share with any other living soul.

Modifié par LolaLei, 02 juillet 2012 - 04:13 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

What do you think Cullen's thoughts about having to take lyrium are? I mean, surely he's seen the results of the old Templars who have been on lyrium for so long that their brain have pretty much rotted away.

Now, we all know his reply would be something like "It's a sad fact, but unfortunately it's a sacrifice we have to make to keep Thedas safe, and the Mages safe from themselves blah blah" - (something he's probably repeated to himself in the mirror just to convince himself that it's the right thing to do lol.)

But, I wonder, when the day is over, his duties are done and he tops up on his lyrium fix, does he ever stop to wonder what will become of himself and how long he has left before his memories start to blur and confuse? He's definitely a thinking man so it must have crossed his mind more than once during his time in the Templar Order.

What do you suppose his true thoughts on his lyrium addiction are, the ones he doesn't share with any other living soul.

Wow, that's a great question. I bet internally he dreads the end results. But, since he's a thinking man, I could see him even trying to prepare himself for the end. Like, reading up on positive interventions for the lyrium addled and focusing on regimes that could up his chances for standing lucid as long as possible. I can't help but think of it like someone who knows they're going to get Alzheimers. There are no definitive cures or even really interventions, but I could see him, for example, focusing on physical exercise or mind puzzles or the like, just in case it helps at all.

Now his internal feelings and thoughts on it... that takes a bit more consideration...

[berelinde]

I was thinking about the Alzheimer's aspect, too. The first thing that passed through my mind was physician-assisted suicide. I want to emphasize that I said "passed through" as in, it kept on going. Cullen might be aware of it as a temptation, but he would not consider giving in to it. Regardless of his thoughts about Chantry policy and procedure, I don't think he'd deliberately defy the Maker's will. Of course, I might expect him to sign on for dangerous missions more readily or otherwise put himself in harm's way more often.

Then again, there are different ways of looking at suicide. The argument that it defies the will of the gods only works if you imagine that the gods don't know what you're doing or are powerless to stop you from doing it.

Edit: Wow, it got dark all of a sudden. I blame the Feast of Herod turn the Fenris thread has recently taken.

Modifié par berelinde, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:15 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

What do you think Cullen's thoughts about having to take lyrium are? I mean, surely he's seen the results of the old Templars who have been on lyrium for so long that their brain have pretty much rotted away.

Now, we all know his reply would be something like "It's a sad fact, but unfortunately it's a sacrifice we have to make to keep Thedas safe, and the Mages safe from themselves blah blah" - (something he's probably repeated to himself in the mirror just to convince himself that it's the right thing to do lol.)

But, I wonder, when the day is over, his duties are done and he tops up on his lyrium fix, does he ever stop to wonder what will become of himself and how long he has left before his memories start to blur and confuse? He's definitely a thinking man so it must have crossed his mind more than once during his time in the Templar Order.

What do you suppose his true thoughts on his lyrium addiction are, the ones he doesn't share with any other living soul.

Wow, that's a great question. I bet internally he dreads the end results. But, since he's a thinking man, I could see him even trying to prepare himself for the end. Like, reading up on positive interventions for the lyrium addled and focusing on regimes that could up his chances for standing lucid as long as possible. I can't help but think of it like someone who knows they're going to get Alzheimers. There are no definitive cures or even really interventions, but I could see him, for example, focusing on physical exercise or mind puzzles or the like, just in case it helps at all.

Now his internal feelings and thoughts on it... that takes a bit more consideration...

That would be an amazing thing to catch him reading in camp (or wherever the home hub will be), I wonder if perhaps in DA3 this will be another reason why he seems to shy away from human affection, perhaps that would be another way for the DA team to explain his "singledom" thus far, like, he doesn't want to be a burden on his life partner as he knows in the future he will be hard to look after, so instead he chooses to stay single (along with all the other issues he has LOL.)

Ooo, that's a thought. Imagine if the protagonist 'n' co uncover some shady Chantry secrets in DA3, like Andraste being and Mage and how despite Lyrium giving Templars the edge over Mages, it had also been used as a means to control the Templars (perhaps in a secret agreement between the Chantry and whoever was incharge of the Seekers back when the Templars were first founded) like Alistair had suspected all along. Man, Cullen would ****ing flip out! If that's one way to kill a mans belief in his work then that would be it!

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

I was thinking about the Alzheimer's aspect, too. The first thing that passed through my mind was physician-assisted suicide. I want to emphasize that I said "passed through" as in, it kept on going. Cullen might be aware of it as a temptation, but he would not consider giving in to it. Regardless of his thoughts about Chantry policy and procedure, I don't think he'd deliberately defy the Maker's will. Of course, I might expect him to sign on for dangerous missions more readily or otherwise put himself in harm's way more often.

Then again, there are different ways of looking at suicide. The argument that it defies the will of the gods only works if you imagine that the gods don't know what you're doing or are powerless to stop you from doing it.

Edit: Wow, it got dark all of a sudden. I blame the Feast of Herod turn the Fenris thread has recently taken.

I think, if he felt his memory fading to an extent where it was becoming hard for him to always keep a clear head then he'd start doing all the most dangerous quests etc and/or willingly sacrifice himself in a suicide mission which he knew there was no coming back from... kinda like how the Warden's go into the deep roads to fight to the death when they hear the calling... although, to be fair when I hear The Calling I want to kill myself as well, terrible whiney band LOL!

[MissRedZelda]

Cullen would most definitely be in bit of a bind after DA3, especially after the events at the end. But I hardly think he would contemplate suicide.

Unless he was sent to Aeonar. Then I smell a prison break sequence!

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

Cullen would most definitely be in bit of a bind after DA3, especially after the events at the end. But I hardly think he would contemplate suicide.

Unless he was sent to Aeonar. Then I smell a prison break sequence!

Even if he was suffering the effect of years of lyrium abuse (like the old Templar guy in DA:O that had gone a bit mental.) Don't get me wrong, I don't think he'd top himself or anything but I think he'd get someone to strike the killing blow or something.

[LolaLei]

Ooooo!!! Look what I found! Apparently some Templars do like to break their chasty rules (well, the chasity rules in DA:O that were retconned lol.):





So if this idiot Templar who was probably supposed to be the same age as Cullen back then was more than willing to get laid, then it just goes to how much self control Cullen had, even at that age. The Leliana one is particularly interesting because the Templar guy mentions about the men telling dirty stories when the Knight-Commander isn't around. I wonder if Cullen listened to the stories, I hope so!

Modifié par LolaLei, 03 juillet 2012 - 12:13 .

[MissRedZelda]

It's probably not so much retconning as it is evidence that the Order is failing and falling apart. Or that there's a lot of corruption going on beneath the surface.

At least, that's what I took from all of it. Cullen's probably just too much of a goody good to bring himself to break his vows. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if the two of them (Cullen and F!Amell/Surana) had shared make outs in dark corners in the past ;-) Well, that's what I headcannon.

And Lola, I would watch the vids, but my internet's decided to be a b**** and is not letting me watch them :-(

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

It's probably not so much retconning as it is evidence that the Order is failing and falling apart. Or that there's a lot of corruption going on beneath the surface.

At least, that's what I took from all of it. Cullen's probably just too much of a goody good to bring himself to break his vows. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if the two of them (Cullen and F!Amell/Surana) had shared make outs in dark corners in the past ;-) Well, that's what I headcannon.

And Lola, I would watch the vids, but my internet's decided to be a b**** and is not letting me watch them :-(

I'll tell you what happens in them. Both are of that annoying Templar that won't take you across the lake to the Circle Tower, except the first one is Morrigan's reply and the second is Lelianna's. Both time the Templar dude says he'll only take you across the lake if you leave Morrigan or Lelianna behind to "keep him company" *wink wink nudge nudge.* Morrigan scares him into making him take them across the lake but Lelianna says she's not interest and mentions being a poetess, the Templar makes a crude remark about knowing what poetess' get up to because the Templar guys like to tell stories about them to each other when Gregoire isn't in ear shot, to which Lelianna plays on by it telling him how the naive Templar boys have no idea what sorts of dirty things poetess' get upto and offers to tell him stories during the long boat ride, to which he is very eager to hear lol.