R2s Muse wrote...
LOL Surely! (the insets are from the Fires Above trailer)LolaLei wrote...
R2, can I use those pictures in my video? Promise I'll give you kudos!
Modifié par ag99, 22 août 2013 - 03:06 .
Ah, that makes much more sense.ag99 wrote...
i see that the Cole thread from the DAI forums has been unpined guess it was just a mistake
R2s Muse wrote...
This is interesting. On naming the new game...
http://social.biowar...x/17191882&lf=8
Modifié par Dirgegun, 22 août 2013 - 03:39 .
Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 août 2013 - 04:12 .
R2s Muse wrote...
Another thought about the "coronation" image. A lot has been said about the flag being a Chantry flag. But, what if it's an Inquisition flag? The central spoke out of the sun might just be a sword, ala Inquisition heraldry.
http://i1284.photobu...ag.png~original
Note that the various incarnations of the Inquisition symbol all have different numbers of wavy sunbeams coming out. The one thing that is the same is the central, straight sword through the middle.
Modifié par PhantomGinger, 22 août 2013 - 04:16 .
Modifié par LolaLei, 22 août 2013 - 04:20 .
Yeah, I think just about everybody here knows how strongly I dislike the name, and it's got everything to do with religion. I like religious characters. I've run a few myself, including the one I tend to think of as "my" Hawke. That's because it's a choice. Making it mandatory, or even the default, makes it impossible for me to get behind it.motomotogirl wrote...
I confess to not liking the title because it has religious connotations. But, shockingly enough, BW does not live to please me
berelinde wrote...
Yeah, I think just about everybody here knows how strongly I dislike the name, and it's got everything to do with religion. I like religious characters. I've run a few myself, including the one I tend to think of as "my" Hawke. That's because it's a choice. Making it mandatory, or even the default, makes it impossible for me to get behind it.motomotogirl wrote...
I confess to not liking the title because it has religious connotations. But, shockingly enough, BW does not live to please me
It's like moto and I were talking about the other day with regards to sexy outfits for female protagonists. I won't lie. I like them. I enjoy making some of my characters look as sexy as possible. But if all the outfits were like that, even the chainmail bikini armor, I'd be offended. Overly sensitive much? Maybe. But that's for me to decide, not somebody who doesn't even know me.
I know, they keep saying we aren't obligated to work for the Chantry or believe in the Maker... but then they go and make the Inquisition emblem a derivation of the Chantry emblem and show the PC getting inducted by people who are arguably associated with the Chantry. What's it going to take to convince me that the Inquisition isn't affiliated with the Chantry? Well, maybe stop making it look like it is.
I'm not on a mad tear about it at this point. They say it isn't the case and I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I won't apologize for having reservations.
I think it was R2 who pointed out that it is more likely that Chantry (or is it Seekers?) and Templar symbols both are derived from Inquisition emblem, since the latter was chronologically first. I guess it makes sense :]berelinde wrote...
Yeah, I think just about everybody here knows how strongly I dislike the name, and it's got everything to do with religion. I like religious characters. I've run a few myself, including the one I tend to think of as "my" Hawke. That's because it's a choice. Making it mandatory, or even the default, makes it impossible for me to get behind it.
It's like moto and I were talking about the other day with regards to sexy outfits for female protagonists. I won't lie. I like them. I enjoy making some of my characters look as sexy as possible. But if all the outfits were like that, even the chainmail bikini armor, I'd be offended. Overly sensitive much? Maybe. But that's for me to decide, not somebody who doesn't even know me.
I know, they keep saying we aren't obligated to work for the Chantry or believe in the Maker... but then they go and make the Inquisition emblem a derivation of the Chantry emblem and show the PC getting inducted by people who are arguably associated with the Chantry. What's it going to take to convince me that the Inquisition isn't affiliated with the Chantry? Well, maybe stop making it look like it is.
I'm not on a mad tear about it at this point. They say it isn't the case and I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I won't apologize for having reservations.
Modifié par neonmoth, 22 août 2013 - 05:10 .
Wiedzmin182009 wrote...
Seek the light, for the wicked take root in the darkest corners.
berelinde wrote...
No worries, PhantomGinger, it didn't sound like a lecture.
I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't play out quite like that because everybody - and by this, I mean Mark Darrah and Mike Laidlaw - has been talking about how big a deal player agency is going to be. Railroading the protagonist into position despite protest doesn't really sound like a good way to advance that goal.
I'd expect that the protagonist would witness and survive the veil tear, perhaps encounter Varric and Cassandra, and they'd convince him or her that s/he was spared for a reason. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that devastation like that cannot be allowed to continue, so convincing the PC to do it would be a lot like pushing water downhill.
PC: Whew, that was close. Wait. Why is everyone dead?
Varric: See that big hole in the sky? The one with the demons pouring out?
PC: Jeepers! Where'd that come from?!
Cassandra: The demons are killing everyone! We must stop them!
PC: What do you mean we, lady?
Varric: Don't be an idiot.
PC: Uh... yeah. Anyway, what are we going to call ourselves?
Cassandra: The Inquisition.
PC: You see these tattoos? Dalish. You can take your Chantry and -
Varric: Now, now, Smiley, no need to get excited. It's just a name. Nobody cares about that shi!t.
Cassandra: I thought you said -
Varric: Do you want her help or not?
That's how my Dalish feels right now! Wiedzmin182009 wrote...
Seek the light, for the wicked take root in the darkest corners.
I'm loving all this concept art.
Modifié par PhantomGinger, 22 août 2013 - 05:22 .
Indeed, the Inquisition predates the Chantry (and eventually became the Seekers and the Templars; or by some accounts, even were the Seekers of Truth all along...). They presumably took the sun symbol since it's a symbol for the Maker, tho, and the first Inquisition were allegedly "Andrastian hardliners."neonmoth wrote...
I think it was R2 who pointed out that it is more likely that Chantry (or is it Seekers?) and Templar symbols both are derived from Inquisition emblem, since the latter was chronologically first. I guess it makes sense :]berelinde wrote...
Yeah, I think just about everybody here knows how strongly I dislike the name, and it's got everything to do with religion. I like religious characters. I've run a few myself, including the one I tend to think of as "my" Hawke. That's because it's a choice. Making it mandatory, or even the default, makes it impossible for me to get behind it.
It's like moto and I were talking about the other day with regards to sexy outfits for female protagonists. I won't lie. I like them. I enjoy making some of my characters look as sexy as possible. But if all the outfits were like that, even the chainmail bikini armor, I'd be offended. Overly sensitive much? Maybe. But that's for me to decide, not somebody who doesn't even know me.
I know, they keep saying we aren't obligated to work for the Chantry or believe in the Maker... but then they go and make the Inquisition emblem a derivation of the Chantry emblem and show the PC getting inducted by people who are arguably associated with the Chantry. What's it going to take to convince me that the Inquisition isn't affiliated with the Chantry? Well, maybe stop making it look like it is.
I'm not on a mad tear about it at this point. They say it isn't the case and I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I won't apologize for having reservations.
As for the name Inquisition, i got used to it but the first time I've heard it I thought it meant witch hunt. It's hard to avoid association with real world Inquisition...
Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 août 2013 - 05:27 .
It's hard to come up with good Thedosian swear words that aren't based on Andrasteism, so I decided to go with something ridiculous instead.LolaLei wrote...
LOL, if my character ever said "jeepers" I'd be sending her/him off the nearest cliff, LOL!
Although, really, the artists may very well have designed the Inquisition emblem first. But it doesn't matter all that much, since we only started seeing it recently.
Modifié par berelinde, 22 août 2013 - 05:26 .
berelinde wrote...
It's hard to come up with good Thedosian swear words that aren't based on Andrasteism, so I decided to go with something ridiculous instead.LolaLei wrote...
LOL, if my character ever said "jeepers" I'd be sending her/him off the nearest cliff, LOL!
@neo: Huh. Must have missed that discussion. It makes sense... but it doesn't make it easier. Even if the Inquisition emblem came first and the others were derived from it, we as players saw the other emblems first. The association was already made. Plus, you'd think they'd want to get away from that whole "Reign of Terror" association most civilians are going to make. In the bad old days, the Inquisition was pretty horrible, Brother Genitivi's "World of Thedas" PR speech notwithstanding. I don't imagine the inquisitors of old got a warm welcome when they rolled into a village and arrested everyone who might possibly be a threat to society. All it takes is one or two rotten apples to decide that selling short weight on ale constitutes a "threat to society" and public opinion turns irrevocably against them. But then, what's a hero without opposition?
Wow, that's gorgeous.Wiedzmin182009 wrote...
Seek the light, for the wicked take root in the darkest corners.
(I would have used a "drooling smiley," but there wasn't one.
Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 août 2013 - 05:34 .
A bit of a nonsequitur, but something I found interesting. Someone asked Aaryn Flynn on twitter about that statement, saying it sounded like the PC would have to be super harsh. Aaryn clarified that a better example would be a hostage situation: Do you save every hostage or would you be willing to live with the death of a few?PhantomGinger wrote...
berelinde wrote...
It's hard to come up with good Thedosian swear words that aren't based on Andrasteism, so I decided to go with something ridiculous instead.LolaLei wrote...
LOL, if my character ever said "jeepers" I'd be sending her/him off the nearest cliff, LOL!
@neo: Huh. Must have missed that discussion. It makes sense... but it doesn't make it easier. Even if the Inquisition emblem came first and the others were derived from it, we as players saw the other emblems first. The association was already made. Plus, you'd think they'd want to get away from that whole "Reign of Terror" association most civilians are going to make. In the bad old days, the Inquisition was pretty horrible, Brother Genitivi's "World of Thedas" PR speech notwithstanding. I don't imagine the inquisitors of old got a warm welcome when they rolled into a village and arrested everyone who might possibly be a threat to society. All it takes is one or two rotten apples to decide that selling short weight on ale constitutes a "threat to society" and public opinion turns irrevocably against them. But then, what's a hero without opposition?
That would be really interesting - could be one of the choices we make. In the video they said, of course it may just be an example: "do you burn down the village or not?" We could see that village as a threat, and instead of questioning everyone we just burn it to the ground.
I found that really interesting. People have been saying that they want to play anti-heroes forever, that they want to commit evil acts, recruit evil companions, and basically, roleplay psychopaths. Obviously, since BioWare makes heroic fantasy, opportunities to satisfy that demand are limited, but pragmatism (even if super-harsh) might be a way to give them more of what they want. Not that I'd play that way. At least not on my first go. I like saving kittens and (non gender-specific) virgins. But it does add to player agency.R2s Muse wrote...
A bit of a nonsequitur, but something I found interesting. Someone asked Aaryn Flynn on twitter about that statement, saying it sounded like the PC would have to be super harsh. Aaryn clarified that a better example would be a hostage situation: Do you save every hostage or would you be willing to live with the death of a few?PhantomGinger wrote...
berelinde wrote...
It's hard to come up with good Thedosian swear words that aren't based on Andrasteism, so I decided to go with something ridiculous instead.LolaLei wrote...
LOL, if my character ever said "jeepers" I'd be sending her/him off the nearest cliff, LOL!
@neo: Huh. Must have missed that discussion. It makes sense... but it doesn't make it easier. Even if the Inquisition emblem came first and the others were derived from it, we as players saw the other emblems first. The association was already made. Plus, you'd think they'd want to get away from that whole "Reign of Terror" association most civilians are going to make. In the bad old days, the Inquisition was pretty horrible, Brother Genitivi's "World of Thedas" PR speech notwithstanding. I don't imagine the inquisitors of old got a warm welcome when they rolled into a village and arrested everyone who might possibly be a threat to society. All it takes is one or two rotten apples to decide that selling short weight on ale constitutes a "threat to society" and public opinion turns irrevocably against them. But then, what's a hero without opposition?
That would be really interesting - could be one of the choices we make. In the video they said, of course it may just be an example: "do you burn down the village or not?" We could see that village as a threat, and instead of questioning everyone we just burn it to the ground.
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